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Royal Hospital Hoax Nurse Suicide  
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Really sad breaking news. The nurse duped by an Australian radio station has apparently killed herself. Too early to know why, but if it is a result of the prank then I hope a few people might consider how they treat people in future.

Thoughts?


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User currently offlinedamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 726 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Seems to be confirmed ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/de...mbridge-hoax-call-nurse-found-dead

D.


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

Was she in danger of losing her job because she fell for the prank ? That could have been the prime reason.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5320 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Too early to know why, but if it is a result of the prank then I hope a few people might consider how they treat people in future.

By not trying to do anything entertaining for fear that someone might take things too seriously and kill themselves?

Obviously, it's tragic that someone felt the need to take their life over what was, as prank calls go, pretty harmless. And I'm sure the hosts feel pretty bad about this. No need to brand them as horrible people the way I've seen some doing (not on this thread, at least not yet, but in articles I've read elsewhere).

-Mir



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 2):
Was she in danger of losing her job because she fell for the prank ? That could have been the prime reason.

I'd really hope not. She didn't give away any revealing information, just a general report of things we knew (or could assume) already. A review of hospital policy about dealing with phone calls would have been in order, and then let things go.

The same would go for the switchboard operator who put the DJs through to her, of course - it's not like they called the ward directly.

-Mir



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1933 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

I've already seen people on Twitter calling for the radio DJs to be arrested/charged in connection to her death. As tragic as this is, there's no crime here.

My condolences to her family.

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
but if it is a result of the prank then I hope a few people might consider how they treat people in future.

Why? How did they mistreat her?



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3047 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5262 times:

Ah, the "hysterical" radio prank call. I thought radio had moved on from that after those DJs prank called the recently widowed wife of that St Louis Cardinals pitcher who had suddenly died.
Edit: link to widow prank story http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...dinals/2002-10-07-kile-prank_x.htm

[Edited 2012-12-07 09:21:49]


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User currently offlinehomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2254 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5239 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 6):
those DJs prank called the recently widowed wife of that St Louis Cardinals pitcher who had suddenly died.

Was that Darryl Kile? What happened with that prank call?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
need to brand them as horrible people

I've deliberately not done that. I was pretty clear that judgement was reserved.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 5):
Why? How did they mistreat her?

They did potentially jeopardise her job for the sake of a cheap laugh. Whether she did her job properly or not I don't know, I guess more information will come in due course.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9515 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

I've not seen a picture, but the name of the nurse suggests she was an Indian woman. If it's the truth, I'm thinking it was more of a pride/shame thing than anything. God only knows what the kind people at the Palace had to say to her after it all went down.

That being said, to the nitty gritty: I don't blame the DJ's for any fault here.



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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 9):
God only knows what the kind people at the Palace had to say to her after it all went down.

Here is a clip from the BBC website...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20645838


That says...

A palace spokesman later added that "at no point did the palace complain to the hospital about the incident".

The DJs that did the prank call are idiots - Kate was in hospital with severe morning sickness; trying to entertainment out of that situation is pretty crass.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 9):
I've not seen a picture, but the name of the nurse suggests she was an Indian woman. If it's the truth, I'm thinking it was more of a pride/shame thing than anything.

If you want assumptions, this one would take the cake.



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9515 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):

Cool. Because my London bureau just told me I'm not too far off.
So, I'm gonna have some cake.



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User currently offlineidealstandard From France, joined Apr 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5147 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 5):
Why? How did they mistreat her?

The way I see it is that if they hadn't done it, she'd still be alive.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 9):
but the name of the nurse suggests she was an Indian woman

I'm thinking Brazilian.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 10):
The DJs that did the prank call are idiots - Kate was in hospital with severe morning sickness; trying to entertainment out of that situation is pretty crass.

And I suppose all the news crews set up shop outside the hospital because their studios were closed that day? This is a celebrity news story - it serves no purpose other than entertainment.

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 13):
The way I see it is that if they hadn't done it, she'd still be alive.

In order for that logic to work, the death would have to be a reasonable reaction to what they did. But since suicide is a reasonable reaction to almost nothing, certainly not a harmless prank call, it doesn't.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 14):
Quoting stlgph (Reply 9):but the name of the nurse suggests she was an Indian woman
I'm thinking Brazilian.

My first guess would be Filipino.

There's lots of them working in the health service in the UK. Many here alone, with families back home.

Pure speculation, but it might explain how the farcical impersonation of the Queen wasn't picked up, and the subsequent isolation and lonliness that might lead to this terrible conclusion.


User currently offlineidealstandard From France, joined Apr 2009, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):
In order for that logic to work, the death would have to be a reasonable reaction to what they did. But since suicide is a reasonable reaction to almost nothing, certainly not a harmless prank call, it doesn't.

Really do not understand this comment, I hope you are not insinuating that you have no sympathy for those who are driven to a state where they honestly believe in their minds that the only option is to end it.

Who knows what else was going on in this woman's life, and perhaps the stress of the past few days tipped her over the edge, back to my original point.


User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 2):
Was she in danger of losing her job because she fell for the prank ?

No. Not at all.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 2):
That could have been the prime reason.

That was neer an issue. I believe it was based on being humiliated in public.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
By not trying to do anything entertaining for fear that someone might take things too seriously and kill themselves?

When what you do can have serious consequences you need to re-look at what you consider "entertainment". If you are given a radio mike you need to accept the responsibilities for how you use it.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
No need to brand them as horrible people the way I've seen some doing

Basically their actions have caused the death of an innocent. Most important is that their actions were intentional with a total disregard for any results that they have caused. It was past "bad judgement".

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 5):
As tragic as this is, there's no crime here.

The Sydney paper did mention that they violated Australian Laws. That, and the result of their actions should be sufficient for the DJ's to have their licenses pulled permanently. A permanent ban from radio and TV is a good way to set standard back where it should be in Australia.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 17):
I hope you are not insinuating that you have no sympathy for those who are driven to a state where they honestly believe in their minds that the only option is to end it.

Not at all. I have a lot of sympathy for her. But that doesn't mean I think anyone else did wrong.

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 17):
Who knows what else was going on in this woman's life, and perhaps the stress of the past few days tipped her over the edge

That's entirely possible, even likely. But it's not reasonable to expect someone halfway around the world to know that, and thus it's not reasonable to expect them to not do something that would, in 99.99% of cases, be harmless.

This is not the first time people have been prank called. It is the first time I have heard of anyone killing themselves over it, certainly over one as harmless as this.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
If you are given a radio mike you need to accept the responsibilities for how you use it.

They have apologized, which they should have done. I don't see any malice on their part, so I don't see what else could be expected of them.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Basically their actions have caused the death of an innocent.

No. She caused her own death. Nobody else.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Most important is that their actions were intentional with a total disregard for any results that they have caused.

A completely unfounded accusation.

Again, it is not reasonable to expect that someone would kill themselves over this, therefore you can't say that someone is acting with disregard for the consequences of their actions if they don't consider a consequence that is so remote it's almost implausible.

-Mir



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User currently offlineNWAdeicer From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

They should be terminated from their jobs and then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law with a minimum of 35 years in prison.

Isn't that how the over-reactors say it? Just want to make sure  



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5005 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
This is not the first time people have been prank called. It is the first time I have heard of anyone killing themselves over it, certainly over one as harmless as this.

So it is - or may be - a first?

For Prince William, I assume it brings back fairly ugly memories of what happened to his mother and the relentless pursuit of her by the paparazzi.

And it was probably inevitable that eventually, one day, an underling was going to get caught in the cross fire of these so-called "prank" calls and this radio station was already operating under probation for previous "pranks."

For myself, I fail to see what is funny about a sick pregnant woman or the possibility that whoever took the call was going to get at least a bolllocking over it.

These two attention seeking dimwit DJ's did not think their actions through, but at the very least, the radio station lawyers who approved the "prank" call tape before it was broadcast should review their own attitudes.

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-07 12:49:19]


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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

I cant believe the cretins I see who say "oh the poor dj's were just making a prank call it happens everyday". What a croc, show me these prank calls where a hospital or medical conditions have been involved. These 2 vile pos knew regardless that this call was going to cause the nurse some kind of ass chewing or ultimately to lose her job and make her life harder but who cares because they can get themselves a few giggles.

I dont want to imagine the shame this woman felt to stoop to suicide, In reality she was the victim of a sad pathetic world that just gets worse every year. I am glad to see the treatment the dj's are recieving, They earned it.. this woman didnt ask to be stuck in the middle of this game, she was just living a life protecting and caring for others. Now her 2 children get to see in Christmas in a few weeks and spend the rest of their life with no mother. All so some losers can have a brief laugh? This planet really disgusts me. Is this evolution?

Those 2 fools were the cause of this, without this low level gutter breeding kind of entertainment this woman would be alive.
I hope the outcome will englighten other people that every action has a consequence. They will have to live with this forever, May it eat them alive.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 12):
Cool. Because my London bureau just told me I'm not too far off.
So, I'm gonna have some cake.

They gave you an insight into her thoughts and motives for resorting to suicide?? Wow, I'd love to know how they knew what they were. Did they get a hold of her suicide note or something?



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 21):
For myself, I fail to see what is funny about a sick pregnant woman or the possibility that whoever took the call was going to get at least a bolllocking over it.

This for me was the main thing that just shows the level of these scumbags. The target of their prank was a pregnant woman suffering from a serious debilitating illness.

Why be surprised though it is the same station that got a 14 yr old kid to admit she was raped on air while attached to a lie detector. Anyone who finds this kind of stuff amusing is a low life.


25 planejamie : I think the DJs were almost entirely to blame for causing this. Shall I remind everyone what Johnnathon Ross and Russel Brand did a couple of years ag
26 Acheron : There is quite a difference between being entertaining at the expense of yourself or others in a harmless way(hidden cam shows, etc.) and doing it at
27 RussianJet : This is a very tricky area. The problem with suicide is that things which one person might be able to just shrug off in an instant, for others might
28 DeltaMD90 : Though this may have pushed her over the edge, this nurse probably had some preexisting depression before the incident. This is nothing to kill yourse
29 PC12Fan : She got duped. She could have left it with just her pride getting hurt. I do sympathize with some cases of suicide. This is not one of them. By makin
30 mariner : She may have, but that's the point - she may have been caught in a quite unnecessary crossfire that pushed her over the edge. I seriously doubt the D
31 RussianJet : Umm, what do you know about her circumstances beyond this incident, or indeed in the context of her life how precisely this affected her?? Nevermind
32 Giancavia : Without their call she wouldnt be dead.. They are solely responsible for the whole situation. And they have broken laws, Impersonating a family membe
33 RussianJet : To be fair we really can't be certain of that. We don't know that something else didn't come her way that day, or the day she took her life. No note
34 AR385 : Well, so far Mel Greig and Michael Christian, the offending DJs have been suspended untill further notice and the station has offered some sort of sta
35 Mir : You're saying all this as if they expected this outcome. I'll bet you they didn't expect anything close. That would have definitely been inappropriat
36 vikkyvik : Whether or not they're horrible people, I don't believe they're responsible for the nurse's death. Maybe so. But say I'm driving slower than the guy
37 RussianJet : That is absolutely fair comment, and you're completely right - sometimes there is NO telling what will affect someone profoundly. However, to play de
38 Giancavia : Since they have both been taken off the air you should apply for their position, Your attitude fits right in. I'm sure you would be happy if some ran
39 Post contains images Mir : The standard is "knowing everything this person knew, or had cause to suspect, is it reasonable to think that the actions they took would have the re
40 RussianJet : The potential for media focus was pretty clear I think, so while you're right it's not easy to predict how draconian or otherwise the management woul
41 Mir : First of all, what information were they asking about that could be used against anyone? They asked how Kate was doing, and the answer was that she w
42 Post contains links Ken777 : Gee, that makes ALL the difference. I'm so bloody impressed with that pathetic effort I could gag. Especially since: http://www.smh.com.au/world/nurs
43 A346Dude : How about instead of chastising the DJs for a possibility nobody would have considered in foresight in a million years, we look at the actual causes o
44 mariner : There are issues of patient confidentiality but the nurse who gave out that information is not the nurse who committed suicide. But we are talking ab
45 Giancavia : And you seem to be under the impression that 1 enormous embarrassment can not psychologically destroy a person in an instant. There is no specific nu
46 Mir : There's a difference between making someone look like an idiot and driving them to kill themselves. One does not follow the other. They're guilty of
47 Giancavia : Whats the defense of them knowingly putting her job at risk, Trying to breach patient confidentiality? They knew full well what they were doing and t
48 ltbewr : One can blame the Aussie DJ's but I would also put blame on the hospital for not taking proper security and medical privacy precautions. I know in the
49 A346Dude : When you accept a freebie from a cashier you are knowingly putting their job at risk. Are you then responsible if they get caught by their boss? What
50 Post contains images vikkyvik : It's not total BS, and yes you can place (at least partial) blame. Ultimately, it's one's own decision how one chooses to deal with a particular matt
51 RussianJet : Well, you live and you learn mate. I didn't label either the DJs or the nurse an idiot perhaps in part because I actually took on board some of the v
52 Cerecl : There is nothing entertaining about what the DJs did. At best it was juvenile and crass, at worst it is a ill-advised attempt to invade other people'
53 Post contains images PC12Fan : Umm, right back atcha. Agreed. It was sated that this was not the case at all. Again, by just asking how she was?? The fact of the matter is this, th
54 Mir : The articles I've read say that it was. I'm sure there are issues with what the free speech laws are in Australia, but I'm not going to get into that
55 Giancavia : Nope but I was using it as an example that it is not the victims fault they have been pushed into such a desperate situation.. Why is a vulnerable pe
56 RussianJet : She wouldn't be deported for the mistake. If she lost her job she might be deported because she no longer worked for the employer sponsering her work
57 Ken777 : Not really. There is a dead body that clearly shows that prank was not so innocent. Not this time. Not this time. They, and their radio station, are
58 PC12Fan : Understood, thanks for that. They didn't pull the trigger.
59 Mir : It was definitely juvenile and crass, yes. But radio DJs are often juvenile and crass. It's never rational to take one's own life, except perhaps in
60 Post contains links NAV20 : Yesterday I heard a recording of the actual call - but it now appears to have been taken off the net. However, here's a transcript:- http://www.nydail
61 mariner : Then we have read different articles. Then we have a different morality. I understand exactly what a prank call is. I hope they don't usually concern
62 Post contains links mariner : Any medical information is confidential. Once again, the nurse who committed suicide was not the duty nurse who gave out the information. By the time
63 vikkyvik : I never said it was completely their fault. I said it's their decision when they get out of it, and how they go about it.
64 NAV20 : Thanks for the correction, mariner. But it tends rather to confirm my basic point. Surely the hospital's switchboard should have been 'manned' at all
65 Quokkas : I don't like these sort of radio shows and don't listen to them. As a consequence I don't know what was or wasn't said on air, though I am aware that
66 mariner : It's quite a small hospital and it was 5.30 am in London. I dunno, it may have been a fill-in or someone may have been off sick. It doesn't really ch
67 NAV20 : Yes, that's very possible. Seems to have been 'one of those things,' really. Ms Saldanha only knew how to put calls through, not how to 'verify' numb
68 CXfirst : There are a lot of people that you could put at fault. How about the hospital, who didn't have a receptionist on duty who perhaps would be trained to
69 Ken777 : But they drove her to pick up the gun. And for what? A few laughs?
70 NAV20 : Not often that we disagree, Ken777 - but these people were running an early-morning chat show. I'm sure that all of us, in our time, have occasionall
71 Ken777 : When it comes to publicly humiliating someone my position is the one my parents drilled into me - you simply don't do it. It is more than a matter of
72 Post contains images StarAC17 : Perhaps we don't know, I would like to think that there are more factors than just this to make a person take their life but I can't speak for everyo
73 mariner : That makes very little allowance for human frailty. It is entirely possible that the hospital did have checks and balances in place - given their pat
74 Cerecl : It doesn't give them the right to attempt to access other people's confidential information. It doesn't give them the right to cause distress to othe
75 Pyrex : And monarchy claims another victim... this poor woman probably had been led to believe that the sick, pregnant woman in her ward and her husband were
76 mariner : One mo' time - the nurse who committed suicide did not release any medical information about any patient to anyone. mariner
77 bwest : I don't know how the laws in Australia are, but in Belgium it's illegal to claim to have a certain title, be it police officer, judge or queen, when y
78 AR385 : No, as it has been pointed out, Jacintha was merely the one who answered the call, and transferred it. What I find so baffling is the she just really
79 Post contains links melpax : The station concerned (2Day FM in Sydney) has pulled all advertising after 2 large advertisers pulled their ads from the station. I find it interestin
80 czbbflier : As a critical incident defuser who deals with crises at work, I'd like to share that this would have been a traumatic incident for the nurse. Put your
81 allrite : Surprise, surprise that the DJs were from 2DayFM, the radio station that employs noted fragile ego bully Kyle Sandilands and one not known for any sta
82 Post contains links melpax : Apparently the call was pre-recorded & was vetted by the network's lawyers & management before being put to air. And they kept playing ads pr
83 CXfirst : There is just one problem with this. She never divulged this information, just transferred the call to another nurse. So, she did not break the code
84 Post contains images ltbewr : {quote=bwest,reply=77]The DJ's couldn't have expected this, but what they did is just a result of a long process of pushing the boundaries further and
85 melpax : No, he's never been involved with Radio here.
86 PC12Fan : I knew I left an open door there. I'm starting to think there's a new aroma starting to brew over this - and something stinks.
87 Mir : If they really thought they were going to cause that much distress, I doubt they'd have made the call (or at least aired it). It's not reasonable to
88 Ken777 : The Royal Family has not filed a complaint, Prince Charles worked hard to minimize it in a public comment. And the hospital has been clear in their s
89 Bongodog1964 : To my mind this boils down to yet another mess up by the Royal Protection Squad, so far this year: Allowing girls to take photos of a nude Prince Harr
90 mariner : It has very little to do with the Royal Protection Squad. The RPS is there to protect their lives - not to tell them how to live their lives. If Prin
91 Giancavia : Royal protection listening to every private incoming phone call to a hospital is just as bad as these 2 cretins posing as a family member to access me
92 francoflier : I agree with all of that, except: This, as you said, might have been a 'legal' kind of apology. Clearly, their intent was to create a massive interna
93 Aesma : I have not followed this too closely but from what I've seen I doubt the DJs expected their prank to work, so there was probably not much preparation
94 Post contains links Cerecl : I agree there was no malice in what the DJs did. However, at the very least they haven't thought through the consequence of their action. I agree tha
95 Cerecl : They did not expect their prank to work. However, once it worked they cleared it with their lawyer before broadcasting it. It was not real-time. They
96 NAV20 : Maybe worth mentioning that we don't know for certain that it was suicide yet? I believe the inquest starts tomorrow, so we'll no doubt know soon - b
97 Bongodog1964 : What are they there for, they failed to search people granted access to Harry's hotel room, they could have just as easily been carrying somehting le
98 Giancavia : Once again, NO in caps. This is a public hospital, no security would be allowed to invade all the other patients privacy by listening to incoming cal
99 RussianJet : Which hospital - the one used by Kate where this nurse worked?? If you mean the Edward VII hospital in Beaumont St London then no, it is not a public
100 stealthz : Well no it isn't, by their own information they are one of London's leading private Hospitals. I am thinking it is time to call an end to this BS. A
101 Bongodog1964 : I wasn't suggesting listening to private calls, merely that there should be a system to verify that the caller is genuine. I recall when my mother in
102 mariner : Given the "state of dress" of most of the guests in the Las Vegas hotel room, I think a gun would have been found and a camera is not considered (yet
103 Cerecl : They crossed the line not when they made the phone call (although the call itself was obviously in poor taste as Mariners pointed out), but when they
104 NAV20 : Further to Post 96, it appears that no post-mortem examination has yet been carried out, to establish the cause of death. So all the inquest will be a
105 mariner : I don't think the manner of her death - suicide or natural causes - makes a lot of difference to the central issue. If it was suicide, it was an extr
106 Post contains links NAV20 : Of course I agree in general terms, mariner. But, according to the hospital administrators, neither she nor her colleague (the one who gave out the i
107 mariner : You're a lucky man if you've never felt guilt or foolishness - or stress - about something you have done, even though your bosses aren't blasting you
108 NAV20 : Agree again, mariner. But all management did, on the available evidence, was tell her that, 'according to the rules,' she shouldn't have put the call
109 Post contains links mariner : That isn't what I have read: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10852724 "Hospital spokesman Sion Taylor said: 'She
110 NAV20 : I think the key part of that article is this one, mariner:- I expect that the management was fully involved in PR 'damage control' - and that no-one
111 mariner : Your mind appears to be made up, but when I read they she was "being supported" I assume she was being supported. mariner
112 Post contains images NAV20 : Couple of conflicting key phrases in the limited 'available information, mariner. Your one is 'being supported'; mine is 'There was a plan to have a c
113 mariner : Why is there a conflict? It seems hospital protocol was not followed - however understandably - and there has to be an inquiry into that, if only to
114 CXfirst : Just to add. Both presenters have been in an interview, which I saw only brief moments from. The presenters were really struggling to get through the
115 Post contains links melpax : This was bound to happen at some stage, Austereo have issued a company-wide ban on prank calls, and have cancelled the show concerned. http://www.thea
116 stealthz : And still no fingers pointing at the hospital for a major FAIL. Seems most effort on the part of the hospital is to deflect blame and manage the PR.
117 Post contains links RussianJet : An interview with the two DJs: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...devastated-but-dont-say-sorry.html
118 Mir : But they didn't name them. Had the nurse never taken her own life, we would never know her name. We would never have seen her face. You can't laugh a
119 NAV20 : Occurs to me that there's one factor that probably contributed to the tragedy which hasn't been mentioned yet; the time difference. At this time of th
120 TheCommodore : How on earth is it in ANY way, the Hospitals fault ? They are the ones at the butt end of this pathetic incident What ? I'd say the opposite. Did you
121 Post contains links NAV20 : Misunderstanding, I think, TheCommodore. Apparently there's a convention (I don't think it's a law) that the 'victims' of a hoax call are given a bit
122 kiwiinoz : The hospital certainly would need to review it's processes for screening of calls. They have a responsibility to safeguard the confidentiality of the
123 NAV20 : I think we can all agree on that, kiwiinoz. I don't think the Chief Executive of the parent group would tell outright lies - he'd know better than an
124 prebennorholm : Naeh, I'm not so sure about that. It's the responsibility of the hospitals to treat their patients the best they can. And it's the responsibility of
125 mariner : It's the effect on her, the nurse, that matters, surely? As above, she was the gateway, the one who accepted the voice as that of the Queen and put t
126 Post contains links NAV20 : And the ward nurse must have felt much the same about things........ I did a bit of checking on Australian law. As far as I can tell, you cannot lega
127 Post contains links mariner : I seriously doubt we will ever know "the whole truth." I don't see how we can, because it involves a dead woman's state of mind. It will be interpret
128 Mir : In the end, but that it would have such an effect is impossible to predict. -Mir
129 mariner : Impossible to predict the suicide? Sure, as I said. But I don't think it is at all hard to imagine that a conscientious employee, in these circumstan
130 Post contains links NAV20 : Maybe it just got several degrees grimmer, mariner mate; and they should have the piss-up anyway, because it might be the very last one the station c
131 mariner : IF the radio station did that - IF - it might make sense of one strange thing. I've never understood the station's assertion that they tried to get c
132 NAV20 : Thing is, mariner, they said that they rang five times to get clearance. But they never actually said that they 'couldn't' - they just sort of 'left
133 bueb0g : Nope. You have to obtain permission from those involved before broadcasting prank calls under Australian law. That way you can make sure the victims
134 Bongodog1964 : Here in the UK its a big no to divulge anyones personal information without their approval. Every time you contact big organisations by phone you get
135 NAV20 : Unless the 'big organisation' in question assigns un-trained nurses to run their switchboard all night, Bongodog1964? Presumably in order to save mon
136 RussianJet : Correct. He's one of the most sanctimonious, hypocritical MPs we have - and he has stiff competition for that accolade.
137 Post contains links SHAQ : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjPPMLlZqo Here they have the original audio. I can't believe someone took his own life because of that simple prank.
138 Post contains links NAV20 : Some 'new news' - Ms Saldanha left what is described as a 'suicide note' for her family. No information yet on what it contains, but, interestingly, t
139 DeltaMD90 : I lost interest in this thread early on, so I didn't feel like typing out a response earlier but this new tidbit kinda reinforces what I was thinking
140 Aesma : Isn't this story getting way more attention than it should ? I mean, a murder would get less !
141 NAV20 : Give it a listen, DeltaMD90. It's very short, and not at all distasteful. Both sides are being pretty evasive - strongly suggests that both the radio
142 Mir : That's the British monarchy for you. -Mir
143 fridgmus : What ever happened to common human decency? IMHO, those two Australian DJ's are no better than some cheap PoS tabloid reporter. My heart goes out to h
144 Quokkas : The Royal angle may add some interest, just the same as if in other countries the daughter of a President had similarly been targeted, but this event
145 melpax : The call was actually one of the milder ones that the station in question have put to air. As the DJ's themselves have said, they were pretty much ex
146 Post contains images offloaded : These are interesting questions. I have sympathy for the girl's family but I am not convinced that this prank was the sole cause at all. Seems to be
147 Post contains links NAV20 : Just a couple of bits of 'further information.' Offered 'without prejudice,' as they say. Firstly, I've more or less been assuming that (given her pro
148 Quokkas : I suppose that it would be an easy conclusion to arrive at. I admit that I didn't immediately consider the means as I was more pre-occupied with the
149 AR385 : But the calll came in at an hour that really, even if someone is available, you will think very hard about ringing them. I see your point, but a nurs
150 Post contains images NAV20 : Have cordially to disagree on that, AR385. All the signs are that Ms Sandanha was a mature and capable woman; and a hospital nurse probably has to ma
151 ltbewr : Here in the USA, we have right (and sometimes a few left) wing radio shows led by racist, sexist, ex-drunks and druggies and generally hateful of gove
152 AR385 : You have a valid point, NAV20. I think, thiugh, that what you say applies only to a medical setting. I can´t imagine Ms. Saldanha not calling the sp
153 NAV20 : Yes indeed - which is why the hospital should have had a proper receptionist/operator in the hot seat, even at night. And, of course, a senior guy do
154 Post contains links NAV20 : A couple more bits of news. There were apparently three 'notes' - one of which was addressed to the hospital:- "One note deals with the hoax call by t
155 Post contains links NAV20 : I guess this pretty well settles the issue. Poor Nurse Saldanha appears to have been pre-disposed to suicide:- "THE nurse who committed suicide after
156 RussianJet : Certainly goes a long way to explain everything, and doesn't come as a huge shock. But this is half of it - while you can't go through life assuming
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