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Apple IPhone - Yes, Or No, And Why?  
User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

So I am wondering what your thoughts on the Apple iPhone are.

I've had a Samsung Rant for about 3 years now, and honestly... It works for what I need it for. That is - calling and texting. But I'm wondering if I'll need more in the near future.

With some big changes happening next year, mostly things like starting college and possibly moving out of the house, I am wondering if it will time for a smartphone. For a long time I thought, "What could I possibly need something like that for?" but like I said, I am curious if that will change.

I would see myself using a device like an iPhone mostly for the following - calls, text messages, email, internet, and maybe some applications for when I get bored. Being able to use WiFi would also be good, since I currently don't have a WiFi device. (I not own a laptop.) I am not the synchronizeeverythingtobeconstantlyconnectedandbeabletodotallatonceandasfastaspossible type of person, nor do I want to be.

About a year ago I got rid of my 2nd generation iPod Touch, mostly because I was not the least bit thrilled with it. The user interface was not well designed, the device had a hard time connecting to WiFi (not to mention that only about HALF of my applications only worked when there was WiFi, including the map software which came with the iPod!!!), the device was buggy at times, and Apple Tech Support was not very helpful. Granted, this was also before Apple added a camera, a microphone...

Another issue is that our family plan (with Sprint) currently does not include mobile internet. This means I would need my own contract.

A lot of people I know have iPhones, and from what I hear they seem to be happy with them. So I now ask you 2 questions:

1. Do you have an iPhone?
2. Would you recommend it?

By the way, I would likely not get the new 5th generation iPhone, but rather the free 4th generation.

Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!   

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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?
2. Would you recommend it?

Yes and yes, very much so.

Instead of going for the free fourth generation one, though, I'd heavily recommend investing $99 for the 4S. It's a major improvement, specially since you want your phone to last at least two years.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?
2. Would you recommend it?

1. I did, but not any longer.

2.

Depends on how you use a phone. If you want one that works out of the box, is easy to use, and will continue to do what it does well, then the iPhone is a very good choice (albeit an expensive one).

Android is better for customizing. If you are a power user and want your phone to do everything, I would recommend the nexus 4 or galaxy sIII (I have the galaxy SIII). There are so many things I do with it, that aren't there out of the box, but can easily be done with apps. For instance, I have LED lights that flash different lights depending on my notifications (missed calls, emails, messages, viber calls, etc.). I use NFC tags by my front door and in my car, which automatically turns on maps and navigation (and gps) in car, at home wifi turns on and some other functions (plus the reverse when I exit car and home). That's just some of the many different things android allows you to do.

But, all in all, in general, I recommend iPhone to my parents, and Android to my more tech savy friends.

Don't have much experience with Windows Phone.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?

Yes, a 4S.

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
2. Would you recommend it?

Definitely. Even if it's not an iPhone, any 3G/Wifi capable smartphone is a really handy thing to have, especially if you are starting college and possibly moving out. Always good to be able to look up train times, get GPS directions etc etc.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
Instead of going for the free fourth generation one, though, I'd heavily recommend investing $99 for the 4S. It's a major improvement, specially since you want your phone to last at least two years.

I'd second this, the 4S is a fair upgrade over the 4. I've been very happy with mine and see no reason to fork out $1000 for the 5.


User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
Yes and yes, very much so.

Good to know. Which generation do you have? 4S?

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
Instead of going for the free fourth generation one, though, I'd heavily recommend investing $99 for the 4S. It's a major improvement, specially since you want your phone to last at least two years.
Quoting vaus77w (Reply 3):
I'd second this, the 4S is a fair upgrade over the 4. I've been very happy with mine and see no reason to fork out $1000 for the 5.

I appreciate the advice!  
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
Android is better for customizing. If you are a power user and want your phone to do everything, I would recommend the nexus 4 or galaxy sIII (I have the galaxy SIII). There are so many things I do with it, that aren't there out of the box, but can easily be done with apps. For instance, I have LED lights that flash different lights depending on my notifications (missed calls, emails, messages, viber calls, etc.). I use NFC tags by my front door and in my car, which automatically turns on maps and navigation (and gps) in car, at home wifi turns on and some other functions (plus the reverse when I exit car and home). That's just some of the many different things android allows you to do.

Woah!  Wow! I don't think I'd need something THAT sophisticated! In which case an iPhone would sound like the better choice.

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 3):
Definitely. Even if it's not an iPhone, any 3G/Wifi capable smartphone is a really handy thing to have, especially if you are starting college and possibly moving out. Always good to be able to look up train times, get GPS directions etc etc.

My thoughts exactly.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

I don't see why you need a phone that costs at least $100 per month. You say you're just going to start college, this is a luxury you do not need.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?

Yes - a 4S for a little over a year

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
2. Would you recommend it?

Yes, the 4S. Not any other model. My daughter and her two teenagers have iPhone 3 series phones. One of my best friends has a top line iPhone 5 series phone.

My wife got an Android phone at the same time as I got the iPhone.

I found the iPhone easier to use and adapt to after my years with a Blackberry and an early Android phone. The wife's phone has a steeper learning curve.

I don't like how the iPhone requires iTunes software to talk to my computer. I will not upgrade to OS6. I've seen it and tested it on the friends iPhone 5 - it is a step backward in capability and ease of use in my opinion.

Apple gave up their place as the innovator and leader in cell phones with OS6.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8695 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?

Yes, I got a 4S in July (IIRC).

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
2. Would you recommend it?

absolutely

I don't make a lot of calls, far from it, but I did want a way to check e.g. e-mails without having to open that most devilish of time wasters, my laptop. So I was going to need a smartphone.

Why the iPhone? Well, so far I have been nothing but happy with my Apple products. That was the major factor.

I actually like the "walled garden" that is the iOS environment - what's in the App Store is almost guaranteed to be safe and I get OS updates directly from Apple (as opposed to the phone manufacturer, which AFAIK is the case with Android), which means that I'll be able to use yet another gadget for much longer than its intended lifespan... just to give you an idea, my laptop is almost four years old and its battery is approaching its 1000th load cycle.
Throw in the compatibilities between iOS apps and OS X apps, nifty garnish like the iTunes remote app, product design and the multitude of apps that are available for iOS and the iPhone becomes a convincing offer.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
I don't see why you need a phone that costs at least $100 per month.

Mine costs €35 per month plus whatever isn't covered by one of the three flatrates included in that, so my impression is that you're getting ripped off... and badly so.



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User currently offlinevaus77w From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5694 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
OS6. I've seen it and tested it on the friends iPhone 5 - it is a step backward in capability and ease of use in my opinion.

Could you kindly elaborate on what makes you say that?

I also have not upgraded to iOS6, but mainly to avoid Apple Maps. God why did they have to get rid of Google maps...idiots.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
I will not upgrade to OS6.

As for the OP. If he buys the phone new, even the 4S as opposed to the 5, he will automatically get iOS 6. There are ways around this to go back, but it is not that simple and probably not worth the hassle.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 4):
I don't think I'd need something THAT sophisticated! In which case an iPhone would sound like the better choice.

Don't get me wrong, it does work well out of the box as well, but allows much more customization if you are into that. I'm very enthusiastic about my tech gadgets, and love being able to customize the phone right to my needs. My siblings keep on thinking that I'm not happy with the phone, and keep thinking it is being problematic because I keep tinkering with it, but that is simply because I love doing that, and every week, I find better ways to use it, and constantly improve it. This is the reason I will never go back to iPhone, I've become so accustomed to this, and I'd go crazy with the relatively locked iPhone software.

I'm already becoming annoyed with the iPad for this exact reason, and have considered selling it and buying a nexus 7 or nexus 10.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 4):
Good to know. Which generation do you have? 4S?

Yeah, I have the 4S and have a decent amount of experience with 4 and 5. 4S, especially if looking at it from a cost standpoint, is the best way to go.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3872 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?

Yes - I've had every iPhone since they first launched.

But my Nokia Lumia 920 arrived today, and my iPhone4S is about to go up on Ebay.

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
2. Would you recommend it?

Yes I would.

So why have I just stepped away from the iPhone? Because I've had enough of it - the UI has stagnated over the past 5 years, the development cycle has gotton convoluted, slow and delivers less and less in the way of improvements, and I'm bored of Apple tbh.

Case in point - I have an original iPad, 2.5 years old at this point. Safari is crashy and buggy, the UI now lags and other things are creeping in. However, I cannot get just bug fixes or security fixes for it - I am forced to upgrade to the latest version of the OS, which brings with it a slower, more laggy experience, removes decent apps and replaces them with broken native versions and other issues.

My iPhone3G was near useless after I upgraded it to iOS4, and my iPad had basic functionality removed or fundamentally changed when I upgraded to iOS5. So now, I stick with the last version of whatever the phone came with and refuse later updates - been burned too many times.

Am I better off with Windows Phone? No idea, but Im willing to give it a go. Why not Android? Tried it in 2011, hated it badly.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 8):

Could you kindly elaborate on what makes you say that?

I find it slower and 'clunkey' compared to OS5. Both on a new iPhone 5 and an updated 4S. That is probably just my perception, but perceptions are reality.

Frankly OS6 reminds me of Windows Vista - taking a good OS and upgrading it with too many pretty but useless features.

Also I use Google Maps extensively. In my experience Apple never gets the first version of software bug free enough to qualify as a good beta version when they release it. I've made a living since 1992 til 2009 working on Apple compunters and devices.

I don't like the OS update removing basic key functionality and apps.

I love the iPhone camera(s). I've got $1200 of digital SLR and another $2500 of film SLR cameras, and the iPhone takes 95% of my photos.

Again just my opinion. I'm using my 4S to type this.


User currently onlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5631 times:

1. Yes I do have an iPhone
2. I would recommend it. BUT it isn't the only phone I would buy.

I have the iPhone because I last had an android phone and it never worked right. I talked to people from the service provider and they all said that it was more the phone than it was android but I feel like it just put me off to androids for the time being. Will I stick with an iPhone? For the time being I think I have to for the next two years, I just got my 5 about three weeks ago. But if there is something that I get told is better then I don't see the reason for paying for the apple logo.



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

I just swtiched from Blackberry to iphone 5 and regret it daily. Because it is a work issued phone these are my only two options. iphone is not intuitive, touch screen typing sucks, it uses too much battery power (any app you use stays open) unless forced closed, and it takes about 6 months (so I'm told) to get it configured the way you want. It also drops calls more than my blackberry did (same network provider, same locations).

I hate my iPhone. Unlikely to change my mind.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5600 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 14):
I just swtiched from Blackberry to iphone 5 and regret it daily.

   You sound like my wife.

She was given an 5. Really found the device less then intuitive (its those Apple'isms) and lacked some important features out of the box like ability to customize alert sounds and their volume per type of event plus the huge navigation/map fiasco which she relies on regularly for work.
So after a few months, in came a HTC Android device as replacement which she really seems to love.


Over the weekend I played with a windows phone. That OS looks rather simple yet quite useful. Will be interesting to watch imo.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3872 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

I really don't get why people love Blackberry - I've had to both use and develop for it, and to be honest you couldn't pay me these days to do either, it was so poor.

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 11):
Case in point - I have an original iPad, 2.5 years old at this point. Safari is crashy and buggy, the UI now lags and other things are creeping in. However, I cannot get just bug fixes or security fixes for it - I am forced to upgrade to the latest version of the OS, which brings with it a slower, more laggy experience, removes decent apps and replaces them with broken native versions and other issues.

I have the first generation iPad which runs iOS 5 (can't do 6) and while it is not as fast as the newer ones, it rarely crashes and runs generally fine.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3872 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5573 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 17):
I have the first generation iPad which runs iOS 5 (can't do 6) and while it is not as fast as the newer ones, it rarely crashes and runs generally fine.

I can crash Safari on demand, which basically means there's a potential security issue there   (the crash is based on page content, not user interaction).


User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5566 times:
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Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 17):

I have the first generation iPad which runs iOS 5 (can't do 6) and while it is not as fast as the newer ones, it rarely crashes and runs generally fine.

Ditto for me. Strangely, mine developed the dreaded green screen syndrome intermittently and I thought I was going to have to replace it. But about six months ago, the green screen syndrome vanished and has not returned. Otherwise, it works just fine.

On the iphone -- sorry, I'm a contrarian. My wife had one for work and it cost "work" a fortune in roaming fees when she travelled, even though she was very careful with it. We cut ourselves back to very simple cell phones that can make and receive phone calls -- AND NOTHING ELSE!! No texting, no nuthin'. I still have to beat up my service provider every once in a while because a text makes it through the blocks -- but otherwise. I'm happy.

Technology will be the death of us



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
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If you are still looking to buy, be aware that Best Buy is currently running a sale on the iPhone 5, selling it for only $149 for the 16GB version. I am buying mine after work, replacing my iPhone 4 (which two years ago replaced my 3G).


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7693 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5547 times:
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Quoting Arrow (Reply 19):
Technology will be the death of us

Always has been, always will be!   

I have an SIII, and am still thrilled with it several months on. I have played with iphones and just don't find them nearly as intuitive or customisable. The joy of a good Android phone is a high degree of tailoring to your own particular needs - you can make it as simple or as complicated as you wish (and in my case, change the battery if you desire and expand your memory to whatever is available on the market.



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User currently offlinecaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5518 times:

I jumped ship from Android to iOS. I miss being able to customize, but I dont miss the instability, the dodgy looking UI (looks are up to the beholder), and the random crashes. i have a 4s and it has been a very positive peaceful experience. IOS doesn't wow you, but as a PhD student, I have very little to be wowed. My phone works excellently, it is reliable, and fast. It syncs well with my computer and iPad. I will not be looking out of the Apple ecosystem for a while.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 16):
I really don't get why people love Blackberry

From an enterprise end I don't think you could beat it.

Its certainly not a media or entertainment phone, but it did what people primarily needed - make calls, email (including security) and do things like various alerting quite well.

Unfortunately BB has his the pause button and lost out in the interim.

Many companies have had to try other OS flavors out there, but everyone including iOS leave gaps in must haves for many enterprises and business users.

In my view Apple makes sharp products for what they are, but they all come with various quirks and restrictions.

Could be interesting to see what BB has to reveal in January with its new BB10 OS and hardware, along with how the windows phones take hold. I read a piece a few weeks back about CIO's being quite curious about the appeal of WP8 as it could dovetail nicely into corporate setup and run important apps like MS Office natively on the phone directly.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21407 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 14):
iphone is not intuitive,

It may look that way when you're just starting at it with entrenched habits adapted to a previous platform, but most of by now hundreds of millions of users don't have made that experience.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 14):
touch screen typing sucks,

For me having keyboards with proper international layouts as I need them plus purpose-adapted ones (numeric vs. QWERTZ) is a big boon over the old mechanical keyboards with tiny buttons. The virtual iPhone keyboard is actuall not quite as simple as it looks at first glance – it's software is rather sophisticated and when you know and exploit its features, typing on it can actually be very good, but it can take some practice to become proficient. Again previous habits can be a liability there.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 14):
it uses too much battery power (any app you use stays open) unless forced closed,

No, that is simply incorrect.

Normally only the foreground application can be running and that only while the display is unlocked. Otherwise all apps are frozen and will not consume power.

There are only relatively few exceptions to that rule, and only a specific subset of tasks can actually still continue to run even while the app is not in the foreground (such as music playback, GPS tracking and only a small handful of others).

Unless you're explicitly asking an app to continue on with one of these tasks, it will immediately be frozen once you leave it or switch to another app. Apps usually save their current state when they're frozen, so it often appears as if the app was still running when you get back to it, when it has in fact just restored its saved state from before.

As long as there is enough memory, inactive apps remain cached in RAM until they're pushed out by demands of the active app. In that case they should actively save their state, but some don't do that, so with these apps you can see a slightly different behaviour when re-opening them depending on whether they had been cached or actually reloaded from storage.

The "app switcher" you can invoke with a double-click of the home button is not a process viewer! It is only a usage history of all apps, which is even persistent across reboots. Explicitly flushing an app from there will also cancel any actually running background task and remove it from RAM, but that is usually not needed.

You can force an app to not just un-freeze in RAM but actually reload and restart that way if it should actually have acted up, but that is rarely necessary.

Battery usage relates primarily to use of the display, of course, plus potential background data services being enabled (mail push with frequent traffic, for instance). A modern smartphone uses a lot more power than an old-style feature phone simply because it's a much more powerful device providing a lot more functionality; But the iPhone is actually one of the best in that regard.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 14):
and it takes about 6 months (so I'm told) to get it configured the way you want.

Huh? How is that? The settings are really not that complicated.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 14):
It also drops calls more than my blackberry did (same network provider, same locations).

Which model, which network and which service generation?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
lacked some important features out of the box like ability to customize alert sounds and their volume per type of event

Alert sounds can be customized. Relative volumes only to a certain extent, however.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
plus the huge navigation/map fiasco which she relies on regularly for work.

Did she actually experience any "fiasco"? For me the navigation has worked very well so far.

And if it was really that much of an issue, why not get one of the dedicated navigation apps?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 15):
So after a few months, in came a HTC Android device as replacement which she really seems to love.

Great. Hope it stays that way.

Quoting moo (Reply 18):
I can crash Safari on demand, which basically means there's a potential security issue there   (the crash is based on page content, not user interaction).

It's got nothing to do with security. The iPad 1 has relatively limited RAM (keeping cost down and battery life up back then), and what you're seeing are out of memory conditions closing the app. That's not a "crash" in the sense you've implied.

Also see Settings > General > About > Diagnostics & Usage > Diagnostic & Usage Data

Quoting Arrow (Reply 19):
On the iphone -- sorry, I'm a contrarian. My wife had one for work and it cost "work" a fortune in roaming fees when she travelled, even though she was very careful with it. We cut ourselves back to very simple cell phones that can make and receive phone calls -- AND NOTHING ELSE!!

The iPhone usually only sips data in tiny portions unless you enable all its bells and whistles such as mail push, manual app updates while you're abroad and the like. Of course when you use data-consuming apps such as photo uploaders and the like, data usage can also go way up.

It is pretty simple to restrict its data use only by explicit user demand, such as when you're connected to a WiFi network.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5515 times:
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Bought my iPhone 5 today. After trading in my 4, I walked out of there with a 5 with Geek Squad protection for $33  


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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5493 times:

Some of these posts are getting a little off-topic... I was wondering more about the device as a whole, not as much the operating system or how it compares to the iPad or other Apple products.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
I don't see why you need a phone that costs at least $100 per month.
Quoting aloges (Reply 7):
so my impression is that you're getting ripped off... and badly so.

I didn't think it was that much, either.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
Yes, the 4S. Not any other model. My daughter and her two teenagers have iPhone 3 series phones. One of my best friends has a top line iPhone 5 series phone.

Good advice, thanks.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 6):
Android phone. The wife's phone has a steeper learning curve.

I get that impression.

Quoting vaus77w (Reply 8):
God why did they have to get rid of Google maps...idiots.

They got rid of Google Maps in the new software? Why?

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 9):
As for the OP. If he buys the phone new, even the 4S as opposed to the 5, he will automatically get iOS 6.

Interesting to know. Is iOS 6 the version that doesn't have Google Maps?

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 10):
Yeah, I have the 4S and have a decent amount of experience with 4 and 5. 4S, especially if looking at it from a cost standpoint, is the best way to go.

Good to know!  


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21407 posts, RR: 54
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5510 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 26):
They got rid of Google Maps in the new software? Why?

From what is known, Google effectively held their turn-by-turn navigation hostage in exchange for more control over the actual app (which was always an Apple app, only using Google data), including likely the pushing of their own revenue-generating ads and extracting user data.

Apple has never liked being dependent on outside providers for essential functionalities, so they decided to rip off the band-aid now, freeing themselves from a crucial dependency on their primary competitor instead of getting progressively choked down the road.

The issues with Apple Maps have been grotesquely overblown in the media and the blogosphere, however. Yes, there have been some high-profile deficiencies, but many of those have already been fixed by now (the app itself already works quite well – it's the server data that's being improved) and in most areas coverage and accuracy is actually quite good.

I've used the navigation feature several times by now and it has worked flawlessly, including quick and automatic re-routing after missed exits or unexpected detours. The smoothly animated navigation view is also very nice to use, with well-done pre-announcements of turns and exits.

And neither Google's nor any other navigation provider's data is actually completely flawless – there are plenty of stories of people ending up somwhere completely else for pretty much every one of them. Apple is just by far the most high-profile manufacturer here, so any bugs in their data gets a lot more coverage.

On the other hand, Apple has much deeper pockets and a much higher motivation to get this stuff fixed. For Google it's just another way to sell ads and to collect user data, but that's mostly a low-margin business. Google has not been particularly eager in keeping their data up to date in recent years. Apple's data is actually more current in many cases.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 26):
Interesting to know. Is iOS 6 the version that doesn't have Google Maps?

You can still use Google Maps under iOS 6 if you want to, currently through the browser and soon with a separate app by Google.

I've saved the web-app icon on my devices as well, but so far I've never actually needed to go back there. Apple Maps is actually quite good, particularly compared to the static-image version of Google Maps from iOS 5.


All in all the iPhone is a rather polished, very well supported device with a high degree of security. This level of polish and security somewhat limits your system-wide customization options (although there still are tons of them even so).

On the other hand, the actual functionality of the device to a large degree depends on the apps which are available for it. Pure numbers seem comparable at first glance, but when you're actually looking for well-polished applications which actually do what you need them to, the selection under iOS is far better and larger.

This ends up with the iPhone very often being the more flexible and more capable device since you simply can't get most of the better apps for other platforms – or at least not at the same quality level. Major apps almost always come to iOS first and then maybe to other platforms as well, but even then often just in crippled versions and often not at all.

If you're more into tinkering with your systems instead of primarily just using them, Android may be more to your taste, but from what you've written above you will probably be better served with an iPhone.

And I would definitely get at least the 4S; The difference in the upfront price to the 4 is marginal compared with the improvements you get (better camera, much faster, Siri, navigation, ...).


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3872 posts, RR: 5
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 24):
It's got nothing to do with security. The iPad 1 has relatively limited RAM (keeping cost down and battery life up back then), and what you're seeing are out of memory conditions closing the app. That's not a "crash" in the sense you've implied.

Nope, definitely a crash - I can replicate it even after a factory reset and no third party apps installed, let alone running.

In that state, even the iPad 1 should be able to consistently show a HTML5 video poster easily enough.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21407 posts, RR: 54
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 28):
Nope, definitely a crash - I can replicate it even after a factory reset and no third party apps installed, let alone running.

No, it's likely still just an out of memory condition and not an actual crash (you can check the actual cause as explained above). Memory is just as limited after a restart as it is otherwise (an active app pushes other apps out of RAM as needed). Switching off background processes can lighten the load somewhat, but its 256MB RAM can't do miracles even so (iPad 2: 512MB; iPad 3+4: 1GB).

Quoting moo (Reply 28):
In that state, even the iPad 1 should be able to consistently show a HTML5 video poster easily enough.

That depends a lot on the content. Some HTML5 pages are regular beasts.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3872 posts, RR: 5
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):
No, it's likely still just an out of memory condition and not an actual crash (you can check the actual cause as explained above).

Oh for crying out loud - I know what it is, and it has nothing to do with "out of memory".

You can defend Apple to your death, but sometimes Klaus you are just wrong.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 29):
That depends a lot on the content. Some HTML5 pages are regular beasts.

Even one created specifically for this? I think not  

If a single HTML5 page with nothing other than a particularly formed video tag can cause Safari to become "out of memory" with nothing else running, then quite frankly Apple has much larger problems than I thought.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21407 posts, RR: 54
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 30):
Oh for crying out loud - I know what it is, and it has nothing to do with "out of memory".

If you continue to refuse to actually look into the event logs, you don't know what it is.

Quoting moo (Reply 30):
You can defend Apple to your death, but sometimes Klaus you are just wrong.

I habitually debunk what is bunk. Show me the event log for such a case and we can talk about other causes. Which can very well exist, but browser issues specific to the iPad 1 tend to be related to memory limitations in most cases.

You could also simply post the link to the respective page.

[Edited 2012-12-11 01:29:53]

User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
I would see myself using a device like an iPhone mostly for the following - calls, text messages, email, internet, and maybe some applications for when I get bored.

Of course, although the iPhone is a good choice, you can do this on any modern iPhone. Apple's product will give you a smoother experience over the competition, however, but it's more locked in and controlled.

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
I am not the synchronizeeverythingtobeconstantlyconnectedandbeabletodotallatonceandasfastaspossible type of person, nor do I want to be.

You will end up being one.

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
About a year ago I got rid of my 2nd generation iPod Touch, mostly because I was not the least bit thrilled with it. The user interface was not well designed,

I'm not the world's biggest fan of iOS but I think it's quite nicely designed. Anyway, if you didn't like it back on the Touch 2, you won't like it on the iPhone - there have been some changes but the UI is essentially the same as it was when you used the Touch.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 5):
I don't see why you need a phone that costs at least $100 per month. You say you're just going to start college, this is a luxury you do not need.

No smartphone contracts cost that much, unless it's some hefty work contract. Try $30 - $40. And it's not a luxury, a smartphone is approaching a necessity in the modern world.

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 14):
it uses too much battery power (any app you use stays open) unless forced closed,

Nope... iOS doesn't support true multitasking, unlike Android, and so background apps are frozen and take up no CPU / battery power.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 26):
I was wondering more about the device as a whole, not as much the operating system

But the OS is, in most ways, more important than the phone - you're making a software choice here, not a hardware choice. You get an iPhone and you're going to be locked into iOS; it's important to understand that. Same with an Android device - you're buying into a software ecosystem, and it's important to take the software side of your descision seriously.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 26):
Is iOS 6 the version that doesn't have Google Maps?

Yes, but it is a substatial improvement over iOS 5 in many ways, and there are plenty of 3rd party, free maps apps that are as good if not better than Google maps. Apple Maps is also pretty decent.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8695 posts, RR: 43
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

Since a couple of people have talked about maps, I thought I should recommend an alternative to Google and Apple: Ulmon. Their apps use OpenStreetMap data (AFAIK) which you download to your phone, so you don't need a web connection for using the maps. This is perfect for those who travel abroad and want to save on roaming charges. Additionally, it helps if your data plan includes a limited amount of high-speed data per month... and, of course, when you're somewhere with no or poor connectivity.


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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

Absolutely YES! I got my iPhone 5 just over a month ago and I switched from being fairly anti-apple and using a Samsung Windows Phone to using an iPhone and getting the new retina iPad too. I love it, it works well, the battery is good and I've had no problems/bugs in it whatsoever. With past Android and my Windows Phone it was full of bugs/quirks that made it not work.

Add to the fact that should something go wrong with it, I can take it to an apple store and go "fix it", Samsung are HOPELESS at this.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?

No. I own an iTouch however (and MacBook Pro).

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
2. Would you recommend it?

Not for most users. I can't stress enough how important screen size is, and the iPhone falls behind in that category. And just as importantly is how limiting Apple operating systems are for me. I feel like I'm wearing handcuffs. For those that are tech-savvy and like doing things their way, iOS hates that person. The only people I'd recommend an iPhone too are those that are not techies or have never ventured outside the Apple OS.

The hardware in Apple products is excellent, but unfortunately I've found it saddled with a crippling OS. That's why I run Windows on my MacBook, and it makes for an awesome combo.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5567 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):

I would see myself using a device like an iPhone mostly for the following - calls, text messages, email, internet, and maybe some applications for when I get bored. Being able to use WiFi would also be good, since I currently don't have a WiFi device. (I not own a laptop.) I am not the synchronizeeverythingtobeconstantlyconnectedandbeabletodotallatonceandasfastaspossible type of person, nor do I want to be.

The expected pissing match between Klaus and Moo aside   , pretty much any smartphone will work just fine for you.

I have a Galaxy S 4G (T-mobile, which I'm ditching next month for Sprint), my girlfriend has the S3 (Sprint), one of my friends has had every single iPhone (AT&T), and another friend has a phone that runs Windows (Verizon). None of us has problems with any of them (except for the iPhone, which has issues with Wi-fi connectivity in some cases).



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5330 times:

My sister is 20 and she's not careful enough with phones, she's lost or killed many, so when getting a smartphone at 18 she went the cheap route (Samsung Galaxy Gio) and doesn't regret it. Nowadays you can get a smartphone for less than 100€ (Samsung Galaxy Y), and I mean it's yours for that money, no "you have to pay that every month for years". Get that and if after a few months you feel it's lacking you can always get a better one then.


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 38
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
About a year ago I got rid of my 2nd generation iPod Touch, mostly because I was not the least bit thrilled with it. The user interface was not well designed
Quoting AlnessW (Reply 26):
I was wondering more about the device as a whole, not as much the operating system

Well taking the first point into account, why would you want a product with exactly the same UI as what you used on your iPod touch? What makes you think that buying an iPhone would change your view on this? Sounds to me like Android would suit you more than iOS.. Because to be honest, the device as a whole depends as much about the operating system and user interface etc as the specs in the phone.


There are many more free apps on Google Play than there are on the App Store. All of the Angry Birds apps are free for Android but you have to pay for them on Apple. Same applies to Whatsapp, which I find a little odd.



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User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 38):
All of the Angry Birds apps are free for Android but you have to pay for them on Apple.

True, but they come with apps, which is a bit lame. The Google Play store is pretty decent, and I'm fairly happy with it, but the Appstore has higher choice and quality.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 38):
Same applies to Whatsapp, which I find a little odd.

Yeah, but after a year, it gets locked out and you have to buy it.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 27):
You can still use Google Maps under iOS 6 if you want to, currently through the browser and soon with a separate app by Google.

OK, well I can live with that.

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 32):
Of course, although the iPhone is a good choice, you can do this on any modern iPhone. Apple's product will give you a smoother experience over the competition, however, but it's more locked in and controlled.

Good to know. I do recall being a bit "locked and controlled" back when I had an iPod.

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 32):
You will end up being one.

Uh oh. My worst fears!  Wow!
Quoting bueb0g (Reply 32):
And it's not a luxury, a smartphone is approaching a necessity in the modern world.

Well let's hope it won't come to that!  
Quoting planejamie (Reply 34):
Absolutely YES! I got my iPhone 5 just over a month ago and I switched from being fairly anti-apple and using a Samsung Windows Phone to using an iPhone and getting the new retina iPad too. I love it, it works well, the battery is good and I've had no problems/bugs in it whatsoever. With past Android and my Windows Phone it was full of bugs/quirks that made it not work.

Thanks for the advice!  
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 36):
The expected pissing match between Klaus and Moo aside

Yes, of course.  
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 36):
pretty much any smartphone will work just fine for you.

Sounds good!


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 24):
Did she actually experience any "fiasco"? For me the navigation has worked very well so far.

Yes absolutely, matter of fact once I was with her.

We were headed out to a ranch. Not only were we given the wrong freeway exit we were directed to down several roads until we came to a dead end. The navigation wanted us to drive across fields were there was no road!

I then looked on myphone using AT&T YPmoile app and were given the correct instructions which were to drive back towards the freeway for 10-minutes, hop back on, then get off at the next exit to reach our destination.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21407 posts, RR: 54
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5252 times:

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 35):
Not for most users. I can't stress enough how important screen size is, and the iPhone falls behind in that category.

It is important – it just goes both ways. I hate it when I'm on the go and I have to stop and free both of my hands just to use my phone for something. The iPhone is pretty much the only model that's consistently usable single-handedly, and that is what you lose with the extra-large devices. The larger iPhone 5 is approaching the limits of that. If this doesn't matter to you, that's fine, but it is a very real aspect in this.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 35):
And just as importantly is how limiting Apple operating systems are for me. I feel like I'm wearing handcuffs. For those that are tech-savvy and like doing things their way, iOS hates that person. The only people I'd recommend an iPhone too are those that are not techies or have never ventured outside the Apple OS.

Nonsense. I'd wager a guess that I'm probably a bit more "tech-savvy" than you are and I'm most definitely what you'd call a "techie" in that I'm actually developing hard- and software myself for a living (none of it for any Apple platform at this point, by the way) and I routinely muck around with low-level system mechanisms just as well as all kinds of APIs, and I have a completely different experience with this.

As a developer myself I very much appreciate the lengths they've gone to to make the iOS platform pleasant to use and very secure at the same time, and I appreciate the complexity behind that combined achievement.

I know that I could "jailbreak" my iPhone and iPad if I wanted to, enabling easy low-level access to everything, which could be fun as well; But that is where my background knowledge kicks in, since it would also unhinge and disable all the security mechanisms which I need for my own protection.

By now with iOS 6 the number of additional "tweaks" that might be desirable or just fun has already shrunk significantly, and long beyond the point where they could make a platform switch worth the disadvantages elsewhere.

When you're beyond a certain level of involvement with digital technology, fiddling with your devices for fiddling's sake eventually loses its appeal – you start to triage what actually matters to you and what is just marginal. And at that point I recognize that the polish in iOS 6 is more than just superficial – in most cases it goes right down to the actual functionality beneath the surface, and that is what matters a lot more to me than having a few additional option switches or widgets on the surface.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 35):
The hardware in Apple products is excellent, but unfortunately I've found it saddled with a crippling OS. That's why I run Windows on my MacBook, and it makes for an awesome combo.

Nope. The only thing crippled there is you never developing any Mac-related skills, which would beyond some point include Unix-related skills if you really cared about actually diving deeper.

Your approach apparently works for you. But no, it's got nothing to do with limitations imposed by Mac OS X – it's about you limiting your own skills to just Windows.

Perfectly fine, but that way you just can't judge what you don't know.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 38):
There are many more free apps on Google Play than there are on the App Store. All of the Angry Birds apps are free for Android but you have to pay for them on Apple. Same applies to Whatsapp, which I find a little odd.


There are many thousands of free apps under iOS as well – plus frequent promotions with paid apps going free for just a day or two.

You just swap paying a small purchase price up front for being bombarded with ads. I personally detest the latter a lot more than paying the equivalent of a cup of coffee for something that brings me hours of enjoyment without constantly being confronted with the equivalent of "Hey, you've been too cheap to actually pay, so enjoy this crap ad being pushed in your face every few minutes!".

Which is actually not the cause of the difference – the cause is that app piracy is so rampant under Android that actually selling apps has become practically hopeless, so going the advertising route is seen as the only option there for most developers. It is also the reason why Android has much fewer quality apps and even where major apps have been ported, those versions are often shoddier and more limited than on iOS, where most app developers go first and many never make it to other platforms.

Developers need to pay their bills somehow – at this point most serious developers thus stay on iOS since that is where development can actually pay off. Criminals are rather effectively kept out by the app review barrier. On Android both aspects are very different – which is why there is little serious development going on there, but it's become the primary target for malware. The design of each platform has very real consequences for how they turn out eventually.

Oh, and Whatsapp is a security nightmare on every platform – if you value your privacy and data security, don't use it! Among other things, it is using very sloppy connection security, by its design allows attackers to irrevocably take over your account (for instance while spying on you in a public WiFi network) and it uploads your contacts to their servers (under iOS 6: if you allow that to happen when asked).

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 41):
Yes absolutely, matter of fact once I was with her.

That sucks, of course. I've not yet run into such errors , but these will vary with the region and sometimes with recent construction. You can, of course, use alternative navigation apps under iOS if the Apple Maps data in your region has too many errors for your taste (none of the navigation solutions is actually error-free – it's more or less a matter of bad luck whether you run into the respective problems, and a matter of probabilities).

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 36):
pretty much any smartphone will work just fine for you.

That may be, but it's not a given. If you don't use it much, there isn't much of a difference. The more you rely on it, however, the more you'll notice whether a particular system is actually aligned with your priorities or not.

[Edited 2012-12-11 21:05:13]

User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
As a developer myself I very much appreciate the lengths they've gone to to make the iOS platform pleasant to use and very secure at the same time, and I appreciate the complexity behind that combined achievement.

I know that I could "jailbreak" my iPhone and iPad if I wanted to, enabling easy low-level access to everything, which could be fun as well; But that is where my background knowledge kicks in, since it would also unhinge and disable all the security mechanisms which I need for my own protection.

This just sounds very contradictory. If you indeed develop and are intimate with the inner workings of software and hardware, of what actual risks are you afraid if you jailbroke your iPhone? Theoretically it lowers security, and I can see how someone who doesn't know what he's doing could potentially expose his private data to abuse, but what could realistically happen if you used the jailbrake?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
On Android both aspects are very different – which is why there is little serious development going on there, but it's become the primary target for malware.

In this absoluteness this statement is nonsense. "Very little serious development" - come on, it's 2012, Android is the most popular mobile platform, and there's tons of high-quality software written for it. I do agree that developers still favour iOS as a first choice, but the reason for this is that iOS users have a higher prospensity to pay for apps, and to pay higher prices for apps. It totally makes sense: these are people who were willing to shell out several hundreds of Euros more for a product which is not essentially different from much more affordable competitors, just a bit more polished and easier to use. So it's no surprise they're also eager to pay for software which, on other platforms, users may prefer to get for free (thus ad-financed). Whatsapp and Angry Birds are prime examples for this. They catered to different user groups on different platforms by different revenue models. Of course developers will prefer direct revenue from app sales, so iOS is preferable.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6406 posts, RR: 38
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
Oh, and Whatsapp is a security nightmare on every platform – if you value your privacy and data security, don't use it! Among other things, it is using very sloppy connection security, by its design allows attackers to irrevocably take over your account (for instance while spying on you in a public WiFi network) and it uploads your contacts to their servers (under iOS 6: if you allow that to happen when asked).

So how does it compare to kakao talk and viber?



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5186 times:
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Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 35):
Not for most users. I can't stress enough how important screen size is, and the iPhone falls behind in that category.

I think the screen size of most (good) Android phones is generally too big. I need to fit my phone in a pocket, since I don't carry a purse (or murse..haha) and I won't carry a phone on my belt. The iPhone 4 was perfect for me, and even though the 5 is slightly larger, I have found that the slimmer size actually fits just as well.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12340 posts, RR: 25
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5182 times:

Background: I'm a few weeks away from being off my current contract, and am considering iPhone5 and Galaxy S3, leaning towards the S3, although it's a difficult choice because both have their pros and cons.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 24):
Normally only the foreground application can be running and that only while the display is unlocked. Otherwise all apps are frozen and will not consume power.

There are only relatively few exceptions to that rule, and only a specific subset of tasks can actually still continue to run even while the app is not in the foreground (such as music playback, GPS tracking and only a small handful of others).

Some questions, if I may:

Can it do Internet Radio as a background app, meaning it needs to use both network and audio at the same time?

Another thing I do is download podcasts in real time, can that happen in the background?

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 20):
If you are still looking to buy, be aware that Best Buy is currently running a sale on the iPhone 5, selling it for only $149 for the 16GB version.

That's pretty interesting. Of course that's with a 2 year contract. Which provider(s)?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 27):
The issues with Apple Maps have been grotesquely overblown in the media and the blogosphere, however. Yes, there have been some high-profile deficiencies, but many of those have already been fixed by now (the app itself already works quite well – it's the server data that's being improved) and in most areas coverage and accuracy is actually quite good.

I'm not sure you can claim it's "grotesquely overblown" when the CEO is out issuing public apology letters and saying we "screwed up" and then firing executives to try to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 27):
Apple has never liked being dependent on outside providers for essential functionalities, so they decided to rip off the band-aid now, freeing themselves from a crucial dependency on their primary competitor instead of getting progressively choked down the road.

And leaving their customers in the lurch while they try to make some statement about competitive priorities instead of an 'insanely good' product.

They can't have it both ways, meaning making the claim that it's always about the customers first, then doing something that's about Apple vs Google first and customers second.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 27):
And neither Google's nor any other navigation provider's data is actually completely flawless – there are plenty of stories of people ending up somwhere completely else for pretty much every one of them.

No one is perfect, but Apple needed to reach the same standard as Google Maps and failed.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
If you continue to refuse to actually look into the event logs, you don't know what it is.

You are assuming moo didn't look at the logs.

I've conversed with him, and he's extremely knowledgeable with regard to browser development, so I would not make that assumption.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 35):
Not for most users. I can't stress enough how important screen size is, and the iPhone falls behind in that category.

Yes, my aging eyes agree. The Apple display is crisper, but I have to get closer to see it, so it's a net loss to me.

One of my key usage scenarios is using it as my car GPS, where I view it from a distance, and in this case, bigger is better. The display can be a bit blurier in this scenario.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 35):
And just as importantly is how limiting Apple operating systems are for me. I feel like I'm wearing handcuffs. For those that are tech-savvy and like doing things their way, iOS hates that person. The only people I'd recommend an iPhone too are those that are not techies or have never ventured outside the Apple OS.

That's the impression I get from using other people's phones for a while.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
It is important – it just goes both ways. I hate it when I'm on the go and I have to stop and free both of my hands just to use my phone for something. The iPhone is pretty much the only model that's consistently usable single-handedly, and that is what you lose with the extra-large devices.

Except when you have extra-large hands, like me.

I always buy extra large gloves, and even those usually aren't big enough.



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User currently offlinePMUA787 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

I have had rather bad experiences with Apple in general, starting with the Ipod and the Itunes software to the point I recently uninstalled ITunes on my laptop. To me it seems everyone has an Iphone to the point it is a cliche. I have always liked being the contrarian. Right now I have an Blackberry Bold which is getting rather old. I can't complain really since my company pays for my phone and lets me use it for non work purposes. But it is dropping calls more and having trouble with texting. Is it time to replace a phone when you don't remember when you first got it?

User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5421 posts, RR: 8
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Well, based on your title and opening post there are kind of two sets of questions::

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Apple IPhone - Yes, Or No, And Why?

No for me on the iPhone. And the primary reasons are

1.) it essentially requires the use of iTunes as it is the primary connecting tool for the Apple Universe of products. I don't like iTunes at all and the requirement by Apple that you use it if you are going to get stuff from them.
2.) I don't like the hardware, you are limited in what you can buy to use and the hardware is all near identical in form factor. Yes there are a couple of differences with each iteration but you just don't get much choice. Not that it isn't excellent hardware and that the iPhone didn't lead the pack when wit was created (it defined what a "smart phone" really was to be from the moment it was introduced).
3.) I don't like the "Apple Only" element of the Apple universe, Apple controls and dictates far too much, however you can not argue that it is not an excellent system for many, many people or that it is not a real money making machine.

And for you other questions:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?

While I am sure it is obvious that I don't, we do have the iPod Touch (4th gen) which has many similarities, just no phone transceiver and the functions it allows. It's a good and fun toy for the kids. Still don't like the iTunes requirement and limitations.

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
2. Would you recommend it?

The phone we do have that I very much recommend is the Windows Phone. Yes it is having fun getting off the ground but the "system" works very well and has been very robust. I like that there is a variety of handsets to choose from but yet there is still some standard that they must meet. I also like the software and interface as it is very easy to use (though I am sure to someone used to something else they may have a learning curve). The big "issue" is of course the apps that are available yet I have found everything I need so far so I can't complain. I also believe that MS is big enough in scope around the world that more apps will continue to come on line but that is dependent on the WP uptake to a large degree. We'll see what happens.

Just my two cents. You have to get what you like best and what works best for you.
Tugg



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

I've had an iPhone, a Blackberry and now I use an HTC One X.

In short, the only thing that the iPhone does better than the HTC is play podcasts.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5150 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 46):
That's pretty interesting. Of course that's with a 2 year contract. Which provider(s)?

Correct, with a contract. AT&T, Verizon or Sprint,depending on who has service in your area.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5013 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 48):
Well, based on your title and opening post there are kind of two sets of questions::

I appreciate you taking the time to answer the actual question instead of contributing to the above debate.  
Quoting tugger (Reply 48):
we do have the iPod Touch (4th gen) which has many similarities, just no phone transceiver and the functions it allows.

It seems as though the iPod Touch is becoming more like the iPhone with every new generation? When I had the 2nd generation iPod Touch it didn't include a microphone or camera (and a few other items I'm sure) but now the 4th generation has both those things.

Quoting tugger (Reply 48):
Still don't like the iTunes requirement and limitations.

I can understand that.

Quoting tugger (Reply 48):
Just my two cents. You have to get what you like best and what works best for you.

Thanks for your help, Tugg! 
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 50):
Correct, with a contract. AT&T, Verizon or Sprint,depending on who has service in your area.

I just took a look at service plans with these carriers. They are all around $70-$80 a month? I thought that sounded steep. Cricket has a no-contract plan for $55 a month.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7990 posts, RR: 5
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

Having played around with an iPhone 5, I can say while I very much like the iOS 6.0.1 software, it's still hampered by a cellphone whose display is just too tiny by 2012 standards. I wouldn't recommend using the Twitter app in portrait mode--the text is just about unreadable....

Anyone who's tried the very popular Samsung Galaxy S III or HTC's One X note the big, beautiful display on these phones. And you can actually read the text on the Twitter app from the Google Play store clearly, too.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4893 times:
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Quoting AlnessW (Reply 51):
They are all around $70-$80 a month?

Sounds about right for the smallest plans for any smartphone on the major carriers. I think my plan is about $80 give or take after a corporate discount.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 51):
I thought that sounded steep. Cricket has a no-contract plan for $55 a month.

Never heard of Cricket. Looking at their website, it looks like they support the iPhone, but at $400 more upfront cost than any of the other carriers. (They want $499 for the iPhone 4S, which sells for $99 with the others)



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5421 posts, RR: 8
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 53):
Never heard of Cricket. Looking at their website, it looks like they support the iPhone, but at $400 more upfront cost than any of the other carriers. (They want $499 for the iPhone 4S, which sells for $99 with the others)

Right, normally with Cricket most people bring their own compatible phone (however they purchased it) and they will reassign it to their network. Cricket has been around for more than a few years and is operating on the non-subsidized handset model (similar to most of the rest of the world?) and leases spectrum from "the big guys" networks.

Tugg



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 53):
Sounds about right for the smallest plans for any smartphone on the major carriers. I think my plan is about $80 give or take after a corporate discount.

Interesting to know.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 53):
Looking at their website, it looks like they support the iPhone, but at $400 more upfront cost than any of the other carriers. (They want $499 for the iPhone 4S, which sells for $99 with the others)

I thought that seemed odd, however...

Quoting tugger (Reply 54):
Right, normally with Cricket most people bring their own compatible phone (however they purchased it) and they will reassign it to their network.

I was hoping that this was possible.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4781 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
1. Do you have an iPhone?
2. Would you recommend it?

Yes. I have an AT&T iPhone 5.

Yes. Absolutely. I've never been a fan of the Samsung phones--they feel really cheap to me, whereas my iPhone 3, 4, and now 5, all have a very solid feel to them.

One thing I absolutely love about the iOS/iPhone is that carriers can't put their bloatware/junk files on my phone. For instance, it seems like Sprint puts on a bunch of their apps whenever people do updates: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20066266-245.html . I remember this on my old Verizon dumb phones, and it was really annoying. I'm not sure if this happens on other phones or carriers, but it's enough to keep me away from Android devices. Though I have a few coworkers who have the Galaxy series and love them.


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4780 times:
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I own an andriod phone (Galaxy SIII) Love my phone. Easy to use out the box very customizeable
If you just want a super easy to use phone then go iPhone. They have andriod beat on the ease of use. Little kids can use iPad and iPhones better than their parents. My best advice is to go into a Sprint or Verizon store (they only stores I can think of that still have real phones on display) and play with an iPhone 4S (Don't get the 5 more money for basically the same phone) then play with a galaxy SIII. Play with them both for at least 15 minutes see which one appeals to you then make your decision. Also read and ask people that have it. As them what they dislike about either phone.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 53):
Looking at their website, it looks like they support the iPhone, but at $400 more upfront cost than any of the other carriers. (They want $499 for the iPhone 4S, which sells for $99 with the others)

I also just found another non-contract plan with Virgin Mobile for $35 a month. This includes texting and data. They also want $349 (I think) for the 8GB 4S model.

I am wondering if I can buy the $99 phone from Apple and then have a different carrier (such as Cricket or Virgin) set it up on their network??


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 58):
I am wondering if I can buy the $99 phone from Apple and then have a different carrier (such as Cricket or Virgin) set it up on their network??

$99 is a contract-only price. Can you? Sure, but it'll cost you a few hundred in break-contract fees to your chosen carrier.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 59):
$99 is a contract-only price. Can you? Sure, but it'll cost you a few hundred in break-contract fees to your chosen carrier.

How much are we looking at, here? $300-$500?


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 52):

I have absolutely no problem reading the text on twitter from even further than arms length away, and that's using an iPhone 4S with an even smaller screen....



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 12):
I've got $1200 of digital SLR and another $2500 of film SLR cameras, and the iPhone takes 95% of my photos.

Seriously? What a waste!

-----

So I've been shopping around for contract (or non-contract) options. Contracts with AT&T, Sprint, or Verizon were all in the $70-$80 ballpark. I was looking for something cheaper.

As mentioned earlier, a non-contract plan with Cricket is $55, and Virgin Mobile is $35, I believe. The problem is that we're looking at around $500 for an "unlocked" iPhone???  Wow! Sounds like a huge ripoff to me.

Ugh... Any suggestions?


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3965 times:
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Quoting AlnessW (Reply 62):
Sounds like a huge ripoff to me.

Not really. The phone is expensive. The reason you can get it cheap through the major carriers is that they subsidize the purchase price for you. In return, they make you stay with them for two years.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 62):
Ugh... Any suggestions?

Yeah. Either pay full price up front, but less per month. Or...get a subsidized phone, but pay more per month for the next two years.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 63):
The phone is expensive. The reason you can get it cheap through the major carriers is that they subsidize the purchase price for you. In return, they make you stay with them for two years.

Interesting to know.

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 63):
Either pay full price up front, but less per month. Or...get a subsidized phone, but pay more per month for the next two years.

I am thinking just bite the bullet, pay the big price tag for an unlocked phone, then save on the monthly bill, and not be locked into a contract.


User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 63):
and Virgin Mobile is $35, I believe.

I didn't look this up just now to verify, but I believe Virgin Mobile sells the iPhone 4 for $349, and with that you can get the 300 minute/Unlimited text/Unlimited data for $30/month (iPhone special; it's normally $35).


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 64):
I am thinking just bite the bullet, pay the big price tag for an unlocked phone, then save on the monthly bill, and not be locked into a contract.

I always calculate the total cost of ownership for two years and compare that. Gives a much clearer picture of what you really have to pay.



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User currently offlineTardis From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

My phone is the 4S. It's a global phone, easy to use, incredible aps, and is very easily customized.

The good folks at my service provider told me the 4S is better than the 5. Apparently it is more durable
and will last longer.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 60):
How much are we looking at, here? $300-$500?

It depends on how much the carrier subsidizes the phone and how far along you are on the contract.

Basically most of them carrier will subsidize about $500 towards the cost of the phone so a 16GB Iphone 5 unlocked from Apple is $699. You would see the phone advertised for $179-199 on a 24 month contract will be subsidized $20.83 every month from the carrier ($500 / 24 months).

If you cancel after a year you would have to pay $250 ($20.83 times how many months left) to get out of it plus other fees most likely, furthermore the carrier would also tack on a charge to unlock the phone.

Also note that carriers will ask for a minimum amount of service for you to get the advertised price that you have to maintain throughout the contract example $50 talk and data before taxes. The reason they do this is to give you more service really doesn't cost them anything as the infrastructure is already there so if you use what $50 gives you you benefit on the contract and if you don't perhaps buying upfront unlocked and getting what suits you is the better option.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 60):
How much are we looking at, here? $300-$500?

Depends on the carrier and how long you stay with them.

Paying the 'subsidized' price for a phone over a two year contract ends up costing several times the price of the phone. So, if you break contract right out of the door, it'll cost you a decent chunk of change.

Have you thought about getting a used device? You can probably find one in decent condition.



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User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 618 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Alright folks, and the winner is... (drumroll please) ...



Cricket Wireless!   I went to their store today and bought a black 16GB iPhone 4S for $399.
$55/month non-contract plan to keep it running.

The phone was more expensive, but on the flip side, the monthly bill is cheaper, and best of all, I'm not locked into a contract. 

Thank you everyone for all of your advice on this matter!


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

I currently have a Samsung Note...which I like a lot. This is my third Android device...not because I hate Apple, but because they haven't offered what I want, when and for the price I wanted.

On my first phone, I wanted a keyboard so the iphone was out. I used my Motorola Milestone for 3 years and it still works perfectly. I upgraded the software by rooting and installing a custom ROM. It allowed my to clean out the stock bloatware and overclock from 570mhz to 1 ghz. It still runs like a clock.

I had an ipad2 for a while but again wanted a keyboard so I traded it for an Asus Transformer...which I've also rooted and overclocked and there isn't anything out there that offers something I need bad enough to pay for it.

I finally retired my Milestone for the Note for the screen...the massive screen is amazing. I couldn't possibly go back to a smaller screen. It was a bit sluggish so I rooted and installed a custom ROM in that too. Getting rid of the Samsung bloatware has the Note as fast and smooth as I could ever want.

The ultimate deal breaker for me with Apple is itunes...I really hated being tied to that. Uploading, downloading...no problem...I just do it. My electronics are under my control.

That being said, millions love apple and itunes and I'm all about choice so I don't dis anyone's choice...whatever floats your boat.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 71):
I finally retired my Milestone for the Note for the screen...the massive screen is amazing.

Milestone to Note, that's my planned upgrade path as well.  



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3592 times:
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Quoting AlnessW (Reply 70):
The phone was more expensive, but on the flip side, the monthly bill is cheaper, and best of all, I'm not locked into a contract.

There ya go   Enjoy



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