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Chicago, The "Windy City", In History  
User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

Some famous (and not so famous) events from the history of "The Window City", Chicago, Ill.
There is still one more to go, but I forgot to upload it yet, so will have to go back and hunt for it.

Building The Sear's Tower Begins


Building The Sear's Tower; Off To A Good Start


Risque Beach Shot, Circa 1920's


Now That's What I Call A Brave Looking Bunch !


The Last Chicago "Street Car" Rolls Into History


Wow! 1931 Chicago Distillery, 5,000 Gallons Per Day ! (All illegal Of Course)


This Is How The Chicago River Looked In In 1869


The "Ell" in 1987; (Not Much Difference From Today)


This Is Where FBI Agents Blasted John Dillenger ; In Front Of Biograph Theater


"The Babe" Plays With Balloon At Comiskey Park, Late 20's


1st. Presidential Debate; J.F.K. vs "Tricky Dick Nixon", 1960


Volunteer Soviet Nuke Plane "Spotters", Atop Tribune Tower, 1952


And My Favorite....1931 Air Maneuvers Over Navy Pier, By Army Air Force



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Chicago Fire Horses Gallop Into History


This is the one I wanted ! Arlene's father, Emmett Callender, had recently joined the Chicago Fire Dept., and was stationed in THIS fire house, and was present in the fire house when this photograph was taken; actually, it wasn't a real fire alarm; it was all "pre-planned" to get the newspapers to be present, to take photos of the horses galloping out of the fire house for the very last time. As soon as they were out, a brand new fife engine was backed in, and these four fire horses, "Buck", "Beauty", "Teddy" & "Dan" were later sold at auction to "private parties" to a "fate unknown"..........

Emmett Callender worked as a Chicago Fireman until there Great Depression of the 30's when the City, (being broke) started paying the Firemen with "script", ( or IOU.s); he was forced to leave the Fire Department and became a Chicago City Policeman until 1963, when he retired from the Police Department, then served the next seven years with the Cook County Sheriff's Department, finally retiring for good in the early 70's.

Charley

[Edited 2012-12-10 20:28:04]


Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinePu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 690 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

Great pictures!

Some day, maybe even this century, Chicago's incredible early twentieth century neighbourhoods (Capone era) will be as recognizable on a world scale as Amsterdam's canal houses or the other old cityscapes in Europe.

Chicago is my favourite big American city!







Pu


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Quoting Pu (Reply 2):
Chicago is my favourite big American city!

It's mine too, Pu, but you are actually risking your life going there any more; 10 years ago, when "Miss Arlie" and I first met, every time we visited her daughter out in Lisle, (20 or 25 miles from downtown, "The Loop"), we would take the Metra downtown to Union Station, (which is just a block from the Sears / now "Willis Tower"), and then WALK the pleasant 12 city blocks, (app. a mile and a half) to Michigan Ave. and the Chicago Cultural Center, (which is my favorite of all places in Chicago to go.)

Today, to take that same walk, you would be "unsafe" unless accompanied by a "seal team with weapons", or at minimum, about half a dozen uniformed Chicago Policemen. We EVEN "braved" riding the "ell" a few times........the problem there being, there have been half a dozen murders in "ell" stations in just the past year, and even if you don't get murdered in a station, if you fail to get off the train at a certain station, you will quickly find yourself in an area where even the Chicago P.D. don't go, without 2 or 3 cars, and about a half dozen cops in full "riot gear"; it's very, very sad; so now, when we leave Union Station, we grab the first cab and take it STRAIGHT to The Cultural Center.

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

I'm guessing that photo of the "El" is supposed to read 1897 and not 1987.........  





I can remember in '67, taking a date to the Monkees' concert at Chicago Stadium......took a train from Aurora, then a cab from Union station. After the concert, we had to walk most of the way to the station, because we couldn't find a cab.....kinda scary in that neighborhood, especially for a couple kids from the boondocks.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15474 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Quoting Pu (Reply 2):
Some day, maybe even this century, Chicago's incredible early twentieth century neighbourhoods (Capone era) will be as recognizable on a world scale as Amsterdam's canal houses or the other old cityscapes in Europe.

I'm inclined to doubt that. The main reason is that Chicago is just so diverse that it won't have a coherent image to the outside world. Depending on which parts of the city you visit, you could have completely different experiences. This is true in many cities, but in Chicago it seems to be a much bigger part of the equation. Even if you think of somewhere like Los Angeles, pop culture depictions and what images come into one's mind are generally split between the gang ridden ghettos of South Central and glitzy and glamorous Hollywood. Chicago is more a large collection of diverse, usually ethnic neighborhoods. It sort of lacks a coherent branding the way London has with sights related to the monarchy or Amsterdam and its canals and coffeehouses.

Chicago is almost more defined more by the people that are from there than the city environment itself, for better or worse. My dad is from Chicago and spent some time living overseas during the 1970s. He said the reaction of foreigners when he mentioned he was from Chicago was usually a comment about Al Capone and he eventually gained the nickname "Mr. Chicago" accompanied by the shooting a pistol gesture. This changed in the late 1980s and 1990s with the rise of Michael Jordan and time will tell if Barack Obama picks up the torch in the future. Thank God not that many foreigners pay attention to Jim Belushi or Mike Ditka, although within the US they and people like them form the core Chicago stereotype with a lot of help from Saturday Night Live.



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Jim Belushi

Well he IS from Wheaton  





As far as the gangster connection with Chicago, whenever I would tell someone where I was from, no matter that it was 50 miles away, I always got some sort of reference to Capone or gangster.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Thank God not that many foreigners pay attention to Jim Belushi or Mike Ditka, although within the US they and people like them form the core Chicago stereotype with a lot of help from Saturday Night Live.

I'm puzzled by that comment.......... I thought EVERYONE liked Jim Belushi ? And Mike Ditka; Mike will forever be remembered by the the 1985 World Champion Chicago "Da Bears", (which won the Super Bowl that year.) And "Da Bears" did pretty well again in 1986............however, Ditka wasn't FROM Chicago; he just moved there after he got out of school, to play for "Da Bears". Ditka, along with Joe Montana (and about 3 dozen other big name football and MLB players "came" from western Pennsylvania.

BTW........speaking of Mike Ditka, a very good friend of mine, (whose late father used to own a Ford dealership in Harvey,) used to travel with "da Bears" on their plane to games; just last week I was rummaging around in the garage for the Christmas tree, and I found a photo album that had a bunch of pictures he had taken when he had flown to Green Bay with "da Bears" on Sept. 22, 1986, to play Green Bay, and after they had beaten the Packers, on the trip back home David was sitting with the GREAT (IMO) Walter Payton, and "Sweetness say, "hey Dave, ya want the game ball ?" Needless to say, David said "well YEAH !", so Walter comes up with the ball, yells up to the front of the plane......."hey guys....everyone sign the ball for Davy here", then lobs a pass to the front, and by the time the ball got back, everyone on the 1986 Bears had signed it; ( that ball is STILL in the family BTW)

Looking throughout the album, there are some VERY "young looking" shots of Mike Ditka, Gary Fensik, Dan Hampton (the monster), Walter Payton, Matt Suey, Dick Butkus, Mike Singletary, Richard Dent, Mike Tomczak, Tim Wrightman, Brian Cabral, Ron Rivera, and even Neil Sedaka and Dan Haggarty, aka: "Grizzly Adams" ! (The last two being big Bears Fans and buddies with the team; ( not sure if they went to GB with the team, or were just staying at he same hotel ), but their pictures are there with the team. The album also has Dave's ticket stub to get into the game (all of $17, and his Press Box Pass on a string, to sit in the PB) And get this.....even though the PB Pass says "Not Good On The Field", half the pics in the album, Dave shot from the sidelines with the team, with a dinky little P&S camera ! If I ever get around to copying those pictures and "digitizing' them, I may stick 'em up for all fans of "da Bears" to look at.

Charley



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15474 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5154 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 7):
I thought EVERYONE liked Jim Belushi ?

He's not funny and he built a whole career hanging on his brother's coattails.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 7):
And Mike Ditka; Mike will forever be remembered by the the 1985 World Champion Chicago "Da Bears", (which won the Super Bowl that year.)

Ditka is an overrated underachiever. He had what is arguably (I'd say yes, screw you Dolphins) the best NFL team ever assembled, and was one of the youngest teams in the league in 1985. That he managed to win only a single Super Bowl is a disgrace. And most of the credit for that Bears defense belongs with coordinator Buddy Ryan rather than Ditka.

And there are his comments about the Walter Payton book by Jeff Pearlman. A guy debunks a myth about a supposed hero who was actually a guy and Ditka acts like a child. Is anyone really surprised that professional athletes in the 1980s did drugs and slept with women other than their wives?

Ditka just wasn't that good of a coach, and some of the things he did (swinging at assistant coaches, punching lockers) were rather unprofessional as well. His myth in Chicago is far, far better than the reality.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):

Great thread with wonderful photos.
Chicago will always be my hometown and I'll always have some love for this city despite the direction the city has turned in recent years.


Some parts of Chicago is magnificent but some parts it's really dangerous. Yes every big city has it's rough parts but not to the degree of Chicago. The homicide rate is really high in Chicago - particularly in the south side.
It's funny when you listen to people that think they're going to the rough 'south side' when they go to a White Sox game. Comisky Park is at 35th street. The rough part really begins at around 57th street and it gets worse the further south you go. Chicago goes as far south as 138th street.







Here are some more I can add.

The best pizza in the world - Chicago style deep-dish pizza.   
Gino's and Giordano's being my favorite.





Last days of Soldier Field before it was disgraced 10 years ago with a huge eyesoar spaceship like structure to copy newer football stadiums around the country.
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Huge temporary ski-jump set up in the summer of 1954.





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Meigs Field before it was illegally demolished in 2003 by an out of control, over-zealous mayor and eventually cost the city millions of dollar$ in fines.




The rail lines leading to the railway station downtown. The last I saw of this was in 1994. This would eventually be covered up by new construction of a park with a giant aluminum kidney bean.


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Chicago
One of the best rock groups around. Formed in 1967 in Chicago and still going strong 45 years later.




One of my favorite bands of all time - Styx.
Pictured here with then-mayor Jane Byne in 1981.
Celebrating - Styx Day in Chicago on WMET.




Moo & Oink.
The best meat-market ever. A fantastic selection of beef and pork and in the summertime, hosted huge barbecues in the parking lot. A cheap liquor store next door as well.

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Quoting Geezer (Reply 7):
I'm puzzled by that comment.......... I thought EVERYONE liked Jim Belushi ? And Mike Ditka;

I agree. If not those two, there is always;
Al Capone
Dan Rostenkowski
Bill Ayers
John Wayne Gacy
Rod Blagojevich
Daniel Walker
Jesse Jackson Jr
Saul Alinsky
Theodore Kaczynski (The Unabomber),
Jose Padilla (Abdullah al-Muhajir)
Jack Ruby
R. Kelly
Given those choices, I'd stick with Jim Belushi and Mike Ditka.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
time will tell if Barack Obama picks up the torch in the future.

I hope not. He's not from Chicago. There have been a few times here in Asia when I tell people I'm originally from Chicago. Sometimes they say; "Oh, just like Barack Obama?" I tell them "NO. I'm from Chicago, he is not".
He has no history in Chicago at all and I've never seen or heard of him until the debacle surrounding his opponents being removed from the ballot in his first run for the state Senate.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
He has no history in Chicago at all and I've never seen or heard of him until the debacle surrounding his opponents being removed from the ballot in his first run for the state Senate.

Actually he does. He started Operation Change against the CHA to improve conditions in Chicago's Public Housing. And he also started Operation Hope after that. From what I saw in a documentary program during this period he liked water cress & avocado sandwiches while everyone else at a pot luck dinner chomped down on some soul food.

That photo isn't from what is under Millennium Park. The Santa Fe railroad operated from Dearborn Station then Union Station on the west side of downtown completely different from MP which is on the east side of downtown. Underground auto parking was and still is under Millennium Park.

The Chicago Cultural Center used to be the Chicago Public Library. I'd spend my Christmas holidays in there working on term papers for my classes at La. Tech. I used to give the professors fits when they looked at my bibliography of my papers referencing 90 year old books. That place was just awesome back then. I am just glad they didn't tear it down as it is VERY architecturally significant. I remember sitting at those very long and old oak tables in front of those huge windows on days where it was -5F outside! A few years back I was there for a photo exhibit and the building just did not seem the same without all those book cases crammed into every available space.

And Mayor Jane Byrne she's the one that got swept into office on a blizzard when Mayor Bilandic couldn't get the city streets cleared fast enough during a blizzard he lost the next election. Sometimes I wonder what ever happened to her? The last I heard she was voted out of office as she had run afoul of the political machine. I kind of liked her she was a consumer crusader as well.

My cousin and I used to take the Metra from Hinsdale to Union Station than walk north the the original Pizzaria Uno for pizza. But we haven't done that in the past 8 years or so. Things have changed that much, huh?



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 10):
Actually he does. He started Operation Change against the CHA to improve conditions in Chicago's Public Housing. And he also started Operation Hope after that.

Well? Have they improved much?
I hope you're not referring to his dealings with his friend Tony Rezko who was a slum-lord that was thrown in prison.
Much of Chicago's public housing has been torn down in favor of over-priced luxury condos - gentrification.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 10):
From what I saw in a documentary program during this period he liked water cress & avocado sandwiches while everyone else at a pot luck dinner chomped down on some soul food.

Cute.
That explains why I never saw him down at Moo & Oink on Stoney Island.  
EVERYONE on the South Side goes to that place for barbecue.
Also, Bobby Rush stated; "Barack Obama went to Harvard and became an educated fool. Barack is a person who read about the civil-rights protests and thinks he knows all about it."
Rush also went on to say; "not sufficiently rooted in Chicago's black neighborhoods to represent constituents' concerns."
Thus the newcomer Obama was handily defeated.
Obviously not an issue now but just had to set the record straight about his roots not coming from Chicago.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 10):
That photo isn't from what is under Millennium Park. The Santa Fe railroad operated from Dearborn Station then Union Station on the west side of downtown completely different from MP which is on the east side of downtown. Underground auto parking was and still is under Millennium Park.

You're correct. I got the two different rail way corridors mixed up.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 10):
And Mayor Jane Byrne she's the one that got swept into office on a blizzard when Mayor Bilandic couldn't get the city streets cleared fast enough during a blizzard he lost the next election.

I remember that very well.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 10):
The last I heard she was voted out of office as she had run afoul of the political machine. I kind of liked her she was a consumer crusader as well.

She lost re-election and didn't make it in to the runoff with Harold Washington in 1983.
Jane Byrne was a good mayor from what I remember and so was Harold Washington.
Harold Washington was the last good mayor Chicago had.

[Edited 2012-12-11 05:00:25]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

I'm told that the moniker: "The Windy City" has nothing to do wtih the weather. Rather, like "The Second City," it was the result of a rivalry between NYC and Chicago. When New Yorkers called Chicago "The Windy City," the word "Windy" meant "talks a lot about itself" or "overinflated."

User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

But you are right, Obama was only in Chicago for about 10 years or so but people tend to think of him as being from there which is incorrect. He only rose to prominence there.

I'd still like to know who paid for his tuition at Harvard.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
"The Windy City" has nothing to do wtih the weather.

That is correct. I was chuckle when people say they went to Chicago and complained about the wind.  
It's in reference to a rivalry with Cincinnati for the Columbus Exposition that dates back to the 1800s.
I've found San Francisco to be a much windier city than Chicago - especially the western (Sunset/Richmond and west Twin Peaks) districts where I lived.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 13):
I'd still like to know who paid for his tuition at Harvard.

Me too!
However, I don't want to ruin a great thread about Chicago over him.



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Perhaps the best thing the city ever did: Preserve the lake front.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2444/3785616575_7528867695_b.jpg


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Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4995 times:

What a fabulous photo of the city! I have never seen one before with that perspective. Thanks for putting it up!


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
It's in reference to a rivalry with Cincinnati for the Columbus Exposition that dates back to the 1800s.

Oh, really? I thought it was rivalry with New York. I guess "Second City" is from NYC, then.


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4994 times:
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Quoting Geezer (Reply 3):
It's mine too, Pu, but you are actually risking your life going there any more; 10 years ago, when "Miss Arlie" and I first met, every time we visited her daughter out in Lisle, (20 or 25 miles from downtown, "The Loop"), we would take the Metra downtown to Union Station, (which is just a block from the Sears / now "Willis Tower"), and then WALK the pleasant 12 city blocks, (app. a mile and a half) to Michigan Ave. and the Chicago Cultural Center, (which is my favorite of all places in Chicago to go.)

Today, to take that same walk, you would be "unsafe" unless accompanied by a "seal team with weapons", or at minimum, about half a dozen uniformed Chicago Policemen. We EVEN "braved" riding the "ell" a few times........the problem there being, there have been half a dozen murders in "ell" stations in just the past year, and even if you don't get murdered in a station, if you fail to get off the train at a certain station, you will quickly find yourself in an area where even the Chicago P.D. don't go, without 2 or 3 cars, and about a half dozen cops in full "riot gear"; it's very, very sad; so now, when we leave Union Station, we grab the first cab and take it STRAIGHT to The Cultural Center.

Charley

I'd like to raise the BS flag. As a resident of the suburbs of Chicago, I've lived in Cook County for almost 12 years now. Sure theres dangerous spots such as the west and south parts of Chicago, but overall its generally safe. I've riden the CTA many many many times and I feel safe theres nothing to 'brave' about. Just don't be stupid and be aware of your surroundings, and valuables. Its not called the 'ell' its called the 'El' or just the CTA

Maybe you came when NATO was in town but I dont see cops in full 'riot gear' downtown. I see them in clothes on bikes, or just walking around the city.

Leo/ORD



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Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):

Oh, really? I thought it was rivalry with New York. I guess "Second City" is from NYC, then.

This is great book that will explain to you everything you need to know about that  http://www.amazon.com/Devil-White-City-Madness-Changed/dp/0375725601



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Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4974 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
Meigs Field before it was illegally demolished in 2003 by an out of control, over-zealous mayor and eventually cost the city millions of dollar$ in fines.

At the end of the day the illegality was minor, mainly involving the closure of an IFR approach without the required 30 days notice, and the total fine the city paid was $33,000. The city also repaid about $1 million in FAA AIP funds.

Did it stink? Sure, but legally there was little wrong with the city's closure of the airport - there were (unfortunately) no real contractual constraints on the city. The two major ones often cited were not in force: First would have been the usual stricture requiring an airport to stay open for some time after receiving federal funds for improvements, but which was *not* in the contracts the city signed with the feds in the '90s. Second was the deal the city reached with the feds in 2001 to keep the airport open for 25 years, which was basically null and void because the Senate never passed the legislation that was part of the deal.

Again, the closure of Meigs, and the way it was done stinks, but it was pretty much within the rights of the city to do.


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

[quote=LFutia,reply=18]I'd like to raise the BS flag. As a resident of the suburbs of Chicago, I've lived in Cook County for almost 12 years now. Sure theres dangerous spots such as the west and south parts of Chicago, but overall its generally safe. I've riden the CTA many many many times and I feel safe theres nothing to 'brave' about. Just don't be stupid and be aware of your surroundings, and valuables. Its not called the 'ell' its called the 'El' or just the CTA
[/quote


Maybe you'd like to point that out to the two senior citizens who were savagely beaten and robbed as they were coming down the steps from the "El" (still think "Ell" looks better) right in the Loop; and also to the 45 yr old businessman who was set-upon by a gang of teen-age THUGS, beaten half to death, then robbed, kicked, and almost died, and THAT happened about mid-way between Union Station and The Cultural Center. Just because you go someplace every now and then and don't see a crime, doesn't mean that "crime" doesn't exist or happen there. I've said the same thing when Arlene wanted to take a cab; hell, I like to walk ! I like to look at things; but I have also spoken with Chicago Policemen about the "advisability" of seniors walking from Union Station to Michigan Ave. And they have ALL said........"better take a cab" !


[quote=LFutia,reply=18]Maybe you came when NATO was in town but I dont see cops in full 'riot gear' downtown. I see them in clothes on bikes, or just walking around the city.


I didn't say anything about SEEING cops in riot gear; I was referring to the very real "possibility" of "needing" a few !
And one other thing about Chicago in particular, and the whole damned state of Illinois in general..........it's the ONE state in the U.S. where law-abiding, qualified and licensed citizens are PROHIBITED from protecting themselves from ARMED thugs;
If I'm ever assaulted by an armed thug in Indianapolis, I have to "option" of whipping out my Glock .40 cal. and "evening things up"; but NOT in Illinois; in I'll. only the thugs have weapons ! BTW......interestingly enough, a Federal Judge has just
declared that the Illinois law against CC is ILLEGAL; (we will be hearing much more about this subject in the days to come.)

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
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Quoting Geezer (Reply 21):
Maybe you'd like to point that out to the two senior citizens who were savagely beaten and robbed as they were coming down the steps from the "El" (still think "Ell" looks better) right in the Loop; and also to the 45 yr old businessman who was set-upon by a gang of teen-age THUGS, beaten half to death, then robbed, kicked, and almost died, and THAT happened about mid-way between Union Station and The Cultural Center. Just because you go someplace every now and then and don't see a crime, doesn't mean that "crime" doesn't exist or happen there. I've said the same thing when Arlene wanted to take a cab; hell, I like to walk ! I like to look at things; but I have also spoken with Chicago Policemen about the "advisability" of seniors walking from Union Station to Michigan Ave. And they have ALL said........"better take a cab" !

I'm sorry. I had a look at your profile and saw your age at 76 +. I apologise and yes I would recommend a cab then. but these incidents are isolated compared to the thousands and thousands of people that take the train every day.

Leo/ORD



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User currently onlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
That explains why I never saw him down at Moo & Oink on Stoney Island.
EVERYONE on the South Side goes to that place for barbecue.

I'm from Naperville and I've been there even. Does anyone know Dat Donut? One of the best doughnut shops in the Midwest, it's on the south side but I forget where exactly.

I personally love the city, every time I'm down there I enjoy myself. I never feel unsafe be it on the "El" or just walking around. I have friends that go to school in the city and me living just 15 or so Metra stops away I frequently visit and its never dull in the city as opposed to the 'burbs.

[Edited 2012-12-11 15:40:11]


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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
He's not funny and he built a whole career hanging on his brother's coattails.

As for the late John Belushi, yeah, he WAS funny as hell, a GREAT talent, and I LOVED seeing "The Blues Brothers" (about 9 times! ) However, like many dopers, he paid the price for his addiction, and is no longer "with us", (which is HIS fault, not mine.

As for Jim Belushi..........I never really thought of him as a comic; but I HAVE seen him is a few "cop"pics which I enjoyed immensely. ( and I'm sure everyone will agree, he WON"T be the first one to take advantage of a brother or other family member's "celebrity" to"advance his OWN career.)


[quote=type-rated,reply=10]The Chicago Cultural Center used to be the Chicago Public Library. I'd spend my Christmas holidays in there working on term papers for my classes at La. Tech. I used to give the professors fits when they looked at my bibliography of my papers referencing 90 year old books. That place was just awesome back then. I am just glad they didn't tear it down as it is VERY architecturally significant.

It's every bit as "awesome" today ! One of the more "awesome" events in my memory is having the good fortune to see and hear the fabulous pianist, Miss Mae Phang (pronounced "Pong"), perform Scriabin on the great Steinway Grand in the fabulous Preston Bradly Hall, directly underneath the largest and most beautiful art glass dome (and Tiffany chandelier) in the entire world) ! ( and it's all FREE, two times every week ) So, I definitely agree, thank heavens the late Mrs. "Sis" Daley was able to single-handedly prevent the destruction of this one-of-a-kind grand old building !

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Quoting type-rated (Reply 10):
And Mayor Jane Byrne she's the one that got swept into office on a blizzard when Mayor Bilandic couldn't get the city streets cleared fast enough during a blizzard he lost the next election. Sometimes I wonder what ever happened to her? The last I heard she was voted out of office as she had run afoul of the political machine. I kind of liked her she was a consumer crusader as well.

Ah, yes.....Calamity Jane Byrne.......she got swept into office because of Bilandic's mishandling of a snowstorm and IIRC, she got swept out of office because of the same thing, plus some other reasons. I was working at ORD when Daley, Bilandic and Byrne were in office.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):"The Windy City" has nothing to do wtih the weather.
That is correct. I was chuckle when people say they went to Chicago and complained about the wind.
It's in reference to a rivalry with Cincinnati for the Columbus Exposition that dates back to the 1800s.
I've found San Francisco to be a much windier city than Chicago - especially the western (Sunset/Richmond and west Twin Peaks) districts where I lived.

It is thought that the Cincinatti newspapers were the first to use this moniker, because of the intense rivalry between the cities and the fact that they thought those in Chicago were so blustery or that it was a "windy city" because of that.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 21):
the "El" (still think "Ell" looks better)

Well, it DOES come from ELevated (train), hence the EL.


BTW, any of you with photos, got any of Riverview Park??



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4981 times:

Quoting LFutia (Reply 18):
I'd like to raise the BS flag. As a resident of the suburbs of Chicago, I've lived in Cook County for almost 12 years now. Sure theres dangerous spots such as the west and south parts of Chicago, but overall its generally safe. I've riden the CTA many many many times and I feel safe theres nothing to 'brave' about. Just don't be stupid and be aware of your surroundings, and valuables. Its not called the 'ell' its called the 'El' or just the CTA

No B.S. flag alert here. The most dangerous parts of Chicago aren't served by the El train.
No El train service at 95th & Yates.

Quoting LFutia (Reply 18):
Maybe you came when NATO was in town but I dont see cops in full 'riot gear' downtown. I see them in clothes on bikes, or just walking around the city.

Well of course not, it's downtown. That area will be well protected.

Quoting rwessel (Reply 20):
Again, the closure of Meigs, and the way it was done stinks, but it was pretty much within the rights of the city to do.

I will forever hate Richard M Daley for that.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 23):
I'm from Naperville and I've been there even. Does anyone know Dat Donut? One of the best doughnut shops in the Midwest, it's on the south side but I forget where exactly.

I remember the place but never had a donuts there.  


Another infamous photo that scared the hell out of me when this happen.



We used to fly American Airlines DC-10s and 707s between Chicago and Los Angeles all the time.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

I remember in old CTA adverts that they used to call the "El" the "L" in print. I know it's a contraction of the word "Elevated" but that's how they used to advertise it.

I'm all messed up since they renamed the "L" routes. I remember when they had the Douglas A & B lines & Dan Ryan lines. Now I have to look at a map to see where each color goes.

I remember back in the 70's when taking the METRA heavy rail out to Hinsdale you could stop at a take away bar in Union Station and get a drink "to go" in a tall cup and it would last you the entire way home. Gin & Tonic with 2 limes was my favorite.

The last time I was in Union Station I didn't even recognize the section where the Amtrak ticket counter is. That place sure has changed.

Here is a tidbit for you. At Union Station you have your east & west track platforms. If you were traveling from points east to points west you HAD to change trains in Chicago if your train was scheduled to stop there. All the trains from the east came in the the station on one side and the trains going west left from the other side of the station. Not a long walk
but a strange set up anyway.



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User currently offlinevictrola From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

I just celebrated my 2 year anniversary in Chicago after moving here from L.A. It's the best move I ever made.

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 3):
It's mine too, Pu, but you are actually risking your life going there any more; 10 years ago, when "Miss Arlie" and I first met, every time we visited her daughter out in Lisle, (20 or 25 miles from downtown, "The Loop"), we would take the Metra downtown to Union Station, (which is just a block from the Sears / now "Willis Tower"), and then WALK the pleasant 12 city blocks, (app. a mile and a half) to Michigan Ave. and the Chicago Cultural Center, (which is my favorite of all places in Chicago to go.)

Today, to take that same walk, you would be "unsafe" unless accompanied by a "seal team with weapons", or at minimum, about half a dozen uniformed Chicago Policemen. We EVEN "braved" riding the "ell" a few times........the problem there being, there have been half a dozen murders in "ell" stations in just the past year, and even if you don't get murdered in a station, if you fail to get off the train at a certain station, you will quickly find yourself in an area where even the Chicago P.D. don't go, without 2 or 3 cars, and about a half dozen cops in full "riot gear"; it's very, very sad; so now, when we leave Union Station, we grab the first cab and take it STRAIGHT to The Cultural Center.

I would love to know the last time you actually tried to walk that since the Clinton administration. Unless you're walking around there in the middle of the night, you're far more likely to be knocked over by a grumpy white man in a topcoat yelling into his cell phone, swarmed by hundreds of 9-5ers bolting for their trains, or flattened by a cab (nothing unique there as they routinely play chicken with accordion buses and usually win) than you are to have a problem with violence. As for the rest, as an almost-daily CTA user of multiple lines in and well outside of the Loop (most frequently Pink, Orange, and Red) I call bull. Have you looked at a crime stats map of Chicago lately? The overwhelming majority of violent crimes take place as Superfly mentioned on the Far South Side, below the 50's, and in the West side neighborhoods Garfield Park and Austin. Even then you're unlikely to find trouble unless you're looking for it.
Having said all that, I wouldn't want my elderly grandmother trying to cross the streets of downtown Chicago on foot either. She would never get across before the lights changed.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
The best pizza in the world - Chicago style deep-dish pizza.

Pequod's is the best, IMHO.

[Edited 2012-12-12 15:53:27]

User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 29):
Have you looked at a crime stats map of Chicago lately? The overwhelming majority of violent crimes take place as Superfly mentioned on the Far South Side, below the 50's, and in the West side neighborhoods Garfield Park and Austin. Even then you're unlikely to find trouble unless you're looking for it.
Having said all that, I wouldn't want my elderly grandmother trying to cross the streets of downtown Chicago on foot either. She would never get across before the lights changed.

I look at the crime "stats" every day ! We get the Chicago Tribune on-line; I read it EVERY day; that's how I know what's happening every day in Chicago; everything I've mentioned having happened in Chicago has been reported in the Tribune;
Sure, I'm very aware of how "bad" the south side has become.........my fiancee' was born and raised there......she lived at 79th & Ashland; though it's not likely that she'll be going back to her old "neighborhood" any time soon ! ( That is, unless the City offerers her the use of an Abrams M1A1 Battle Tank and a platoon of Army Rangers the serve as "escorts" ! )

Listen.......I only "know" Chicago from the many visits I've made to there over the years; she "knows" it from being born and raised there, from working in law offices downtown when she was young, from going to visit her family frequently in the far north and western suburbs, from reading the Tribune EVERY day, and from the visits she and I have made to downtown 3 or 4 times a year in the past 10 years. You can point out "locations" that you perceive to be "bad" all day long.......and you would be correct.......they are "bad"; but that hardly proves that what I'm saying about the downtown "Loop" as being potentially "unsafe" is wrong; hell, we read in the Tribune what happens down there every day ! this isn't just some far-fetched "opinion" of mine; it's what HAS happened, and IS happening EVERY day, as reported it the Chicago Tribune. I'm certainly not mentioning all of this just to "bad-mouth" Chicago; we love Chicago....we love to go there, and we DO go there from time to time; but when we read about 45 year old business men being beaten nearly to death by a gang of young thugs, right where we have WALKED, going from Union Station, the 10 or 12 blacks over to Michigan Ave., then it's time to start taking a cab..........especially when you're an 80 year old (in two weeks) senior citizen, pushing a 69 year old lady in a wheel chair). If I was by myself, I would STILL walk; ( I'm still pretty fair at "taking care" of myself ); but I'm never by myself; Miss Arlie and I go everyplace together......we kinda "like" each other; (it's why we're getting married on Dec.23) (my 80th birthday) We don't go to Chicago just to "tempt fate"..........we go there because she's FROM there, and we both love to go there just to look at all of the interesting things that are "there". Chicago is a very interesting place, it's a great place to take pictures, it has many world-class buildings, a world-class symphony orchestra, the ballet, the cultural center........there's just no place else LIKE Chicago.
(Now if "Da Mayor" would just hire a few hundred more policemen for "downtown"!)

Quoting LFutia (Reply 22):
I'm sorry. I had a look at your profile and saw your age at 76 . I apologise and yes I would recommend a cab then. but these incidents are isolated compared to the thousands and thousands of people that take the train every day.

Hey Leo.....it's not a problem ! And you're right........there are thousands and thousands of people on those trains every day; and we intend to be "among them".............but we just don't want to become part of the "isolated incidents" !

Charley



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 30):
(Now if "Da Mayor" would just hire a few hundred more policemen for "downtown"!)

Sorry, busy right now.  



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

All of this talk about the reason that Chicago is called "The Windy City" not having anything to do with the weather..........

Let's put it this way;

I enlisted in the Navy in December, 1951, and found myself at Great Lakes Naval Training Center shortly afterwards;
As you probably know, Great Lakes is just a hop, skip & a jump up the road from Chicago.

After spending MUCH of the next 26 weeks "marching" (or trying to learn how to), in nothing but a pea-coat and a woolen "watch" cap, in 10 below zero weather, and winds 24-7 in the 20 mph to 40 mph range, I will remain forever totally CONVINCED that Chicago being known as "The Windy City" had EVERYTHING to do with "the weather"!

Charley



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 32):
As you probably know, Great Lakes is just a hop, skip & a jump up the road from Chicago.

Should be "As you probably know, Great Lakes was just a hop, skip & a jump up the road from Chicago." Great Lakes Navy base was torn down quite some time ago and is being rebuilt into housing, commercial properties, etc.

I remember when you'd go to downtown Chicago you'd see sailors in their white uniforms everywhere! I think they just took the Chicago & Northwesten Commuter train down from Glenview.



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User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2238 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4808 times:
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Quoting type-rated (Reply 33):
Should be "As you probably know, Great Lakes was just a hop, skip & a jump up the road from Chicago." Great Lakes Navy base was torn down quite some time ago and is being rebuilt into housing, commercial properties, etc.

Unless you mean something other than Naval Station Great Lakes, which has always, to my knowledge, been informally referred to as "Great Lakes", that's certainly still there. It's the USNs only basic training facility, and it's rather large and busy.

Perhaps you're thinking of Glenview Naval Air Station, which closed in 1995, and is, in fact, now shops, housing, etc...


User currently onlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 32):
After spending MUCH of the next 26 weeks "marching" (or trying to learn how to), in nothing but a pea-coat and a woolen "watch" cap, in 10 below zero weather, and winds 24-7 in the 20 mph to 40 mph range, I will remain forever totally CONVINCED that Chicago being known as "The Windy City" had EVERYTHING to do with "the weather"!

I have to agree with you, Charley. Those 20+ mph winds in winter are a killer. And they do exist. Even if not every day... but they do exist.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
That is correct. I was chuckle when people say they went to Chicago and complained about the wind.  
It's in reference to a rivalry with Cincinnati for the Columbus Exposition that dates back to the 1800s.
I've found San Francisco to be a much windier city than Chicago - especially the western (Sunset/Richmond and west Twin Peaks) districts where I lived.

'Fly, maybe it's not significantly more windy than any other Northern American city, but Chicago definitely has days in which everyone's right to complain about the wind! Chicago's weather is definitely not the best in the world... but it makes up for it in other ways.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
I'm told that the moniker: "The Windy City" has nothing to do wtih the weather. Rather, like "The Second City," it was the result of a rivalry between NYC and Chicago. When New Yorkers called Chicago "The Windy City," the word "Windy" meant "talks a lot about itself" or "overinflated."

Interesting, I'd never heard about this. Anyway, no matter how it originated, most people today who refer to it as the Windy City have one thing in mind!  
Quoting Geezer (Reply 21):
Maybe you'd like to point that out to the two senior citizens who were savagely beaten and robbed as they were coming down the steps from the "El" (still think "Ell" looks better) right in the Loop; and also to the 45 yr old businessman who was set-upon by a gang of teen-age THUGS, beaten half to death, then robbed, kicked, and almost died, and THAT happened about mid-way between Union Station and The Cultural Center. Just because you go someplace every now and then and don't see a crime, doesn't mean that "crime" doesn't exist or happen there. I've said the same thing when Arlene wanted to take a cab; hell, I like to walk ! I like to look at things; but I have also spoken with Chicago Policemen about the "advisability" of seniors walking from Union Station to Michigan Ave. And they have ALL said........"better take a cab" !

Can't look at it from a senior citizen perspective, but I don't think the Loop is that bad. Certainly, things happen, because thugs can get anywhere in the city; however, most the gangland is south of 55th. Now, I take the 55 bus going to or from Midway at least a couple of times a year... and that goes through the Washington Park district, the poorest (but not most dangerous) in Chicago. Now there you'll have to put up a defense... Waiting for the 55 at the Red Line stop and seeing 7 police cars going by to a crime scene 3 blocks away does happen! However, I take the 6 bus downtown at least once weekly, and I've never had trouble. Sure there are some "gangstas" and often you'll find intoxicated people on the bus, but I've never felt threatened (and that goes down to 79th).

I still don't get how the criminals here have access to handguns. In Romania, shooting someone with non-lethal rubber bullets makes the national news, talking about how unsafe it's gotten, while in Chicago getting threatened with handguns does happen on a regular basis and there have been times where there were 20 murders in a weekend.

Hell, there was an incident in Hyde Park where girls under the age of 18 threatened someone with a handgun!


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Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

Quoting rwessel (Reply 34):
Perhaps you're thinking of Glenview Naval Air Station, which closed in 1995, and is, in fact, now shops, housing, etc...

Yes, I that's what I was thinking of. I must admit I thought that was the only military institute up in that area. I didn't know there were two.



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 33):
Should be "As you probably know, Great Lakes was just a hop, skip & a jump up the road from Chicago." Great Lakes Navy base was torn down quite some time ago and is being rebuilt into ho

I must admit, I don't keep up with what the Navy is doing with it's various installations, but I'm pretty sure if they had torn down The Great Lakes Naval Training Station, I would have probably heard about it. I'm not sure it's the only one though; in years past, there has always a "Boot Camp" at San Diego; not sure if they are still training recruits there or not.

I really didn't mean to sound like I was saying the downtown area is like a "war zone", but I'm just relating what I read in the Tribune every day. Several policemen have told me that ALL of the young hoodlums are carrying cell phones these days; and they come into town (from the "south side"), then split up, and run up and down the streets looking for "easy targets of opportunity"; when they see something that looks "easy", (and worth stealing), they call each other on their cell phones, and attempt to "come at you from both directions"; as I mentioned, if I was alone, I wouldn't be worried; I always have 3 or 4 "methods" of defending myself, plus, I always carry my trac phone when I'm "out & about"; but my two big problems are; when I go to downtown Chicago, I always have my D-SLR, usually 3 lenses, usually a tripod, and then I'm usually pushing Arlene in a fold-up wheel chair; she isn't "crippled", and she CAN walk......(about 100 feet or so), then she needs to "sit down". If you know anyone with CKD (chronic kidney disease), you'll know what I'm talking about. So far, we have never had a problem; but I would feel MUCH safer if I could carry my .40 cal, just like I can in Indiana, (and almost everyplace else) There is a very big "effort" in progress "as we speak" to change that, but I'm not "holding my breath" till the Illinois law is changed or recinded.


[quote=rwessel,reply=34]Perhaps you're thinking of Glenview Naval Air Station, which closed in 1995, and is, in fact, now shops, housing, etc...


I've heard of that place but I've never been there; I'm feeling rather certain that it's what has been torn down; hell, the Navy hasn't stopped "recruiting".....and as long as they "recruit", they have to have a "Boot Camp" to train the "recruits" at.

Charley



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9964 posts, RR: 14
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 36):
Yes, I that's what I was thinking of. I must admit I thought that was the only military institute up in that area. I didn't know there were two.

And if I'm not mistaken, Fort Sheridan used to be up that way, too.



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

I wasn't aware that the IC switch yard used to go up into Grant Park and to about where the Chicago River now is.

Here is a photo from 1943 that shows that. The two tall buildings are the Wrigley Building on the left and the Tribune Tower on the right, which has been cleaned up a lot since.




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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 3):
It's mine too, Pu, but you are actually risking your life going there any more; 10 years ago, when "Miss Arlie" and I first met, every time we visited her daughter out in Lisle, (20 or 25 miles from downtown, "The Loop"), we would take the Metra downtown to Union Station, (which is just a block from the Sears / now "Willis Tower"), and then WALK the pleasant 12 city blocks, (app. a mile and a half) to Michigan Ave. and the Chicago Cultural Center, (which is my favorite of all places in Chicago to go.)

This is such a bunch of garbage. The vast vast vast majority of the murders and violent crimes are between gang members and confined to a very small part of the city, far away from any place anyone would want to go to. To suggest the Loop, Michigan Avenue, Union Station, and the Chicago Cultural Center are all unsafe places is just ridiculous.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 3):
Today, to take that same walk, you would be "unsafe" unless accompanied by a "seal team with weapons", or at minimum, about half a dozen uniformed Chicago Policemen. We EVEN "braved" riding the "ell" a few times........the problem there being, there have been half a dozen murders in "ell" stations in just the past year.

You do realize hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are walking in that same area every day without incident? It has been over a year since there has been a murder in the area you claim to be "unsafe unless accompanied by a seal team with weapons".

I was just in Chicago this week and felt perfectly safe walking around and riding the subway at 2am in the morning by myself. Like every city, big and small, there are some parts of town that you avoid. You only need to worry if 1) you are in a gang or 2) you are in a gang area


EDIT: Just noticed that lots of others have called you out on this as well. As a senior, yes it is wise to be a little more careful, but your statements are still wildly inaccurate.

[Edited 2012-12-22 07:03:20]

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Not to blow my own horn, but that map is exactly the areas dc9northwest and I stated earlier  
Quoting luckyone (Reply 29):
The overwhelming majority of violent crimes take place as Superfly mentioned on the Far South Side, below the 50's, and in the West side neighborhoods Garfield Park and Austin.
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 35):
most the gangland is south of 55th.
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 35):
However, I take the 6 bus downtown at least once weekly, and I've never had trouble.

Please correct me if my assumption is incorrect. It sounds like you live in or just near Hyde Park. I wouldn't expect anybody to have trouble on that route once it goes Express between Hyde Park and the Loop.  


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 10):

I agree. If not those two, there is always;
Al Capone
Dan Rostenkowski
Bill Ayers
John Wayne Gacy
Rod Blagojevich
Daniel Walker
Jesse Jackson Jr
Saul Alinsky
Theodore Kaczynski (The Unabomber),
Jose Padilla (Abdullah al-Muhajir)
Jack Ruby
R. Kelly
Given those choices, I'd stick with Jim Belushi and Mike Ditka.



How about Enrico Fermi, you know the Noble Prize physicist who developed the first nuclear reactor at the University of Chicago. I'm pretty sure people can up with a list that does not include actors, sports figures or criminals when it comes to the CIty of Chicago.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4843 posts, RR: 19
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

That wasn't my quote....

I am sure that there are people from Chicago that are leaders in their chosen industries besides being known as notorious. Think of all the famous architects that have built notable buildings in Chicago. Like IM Pei, Frank Lloyd Wright, Louis Sullivan and more. Mies van der Rohe, one of the fathers of the Bauhaus movement has a lot of buildings in Chicago.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4193 times:

I apologize for that, don't know how that happened. Should have gone over my post more carefully.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15474 posts, RR: 26
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 43):
I'm pretty sure people can up with a list that does not include actors, sports figures or criminals when it comes to the CIty of Chicago.

What's wrong with sports figures? Many great basketball players have come out of Chicago: Isiah Thomas, Dwyane Wade, Kevin Garnett, Derrick Rose, and Anthony Davis all played in Chicago. Even extending it out beyond Chicago, Illinois is a really good basketball state, up to the college level, at which point all the good players leave to go elsewhere.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 43):
How about Enrico Fermi, you know the Noble Prize physicist who developed the first nuclear reactor at the University of Chicago. I'm pretty sure people can up with a list that does not include actors, sports figures or criminals when it comes to the CIty of Chicago.

I know. I was just being and arse.  

My favorite natives would be;

Mr. T.
Hugh Hefner
Charlton Heston
Quincy Jones
Chaka Khan
Peter Cetera
Dennis DeYoung
Herbie Hancock
Lou Rawls
Curtis Mayfield
Ludwig Mies van der Rohe
Frank Lloyd Wright
Superfly
Milton Friedman
Cindy Crawford
Chris Farley



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 40):
This is such a bunch of garbage. The vast vast vast majority of the murders and violent crimes are between gang members and confined to a very small part of the city, far away from any place anyone would want to go to. To suggest the Loop, Michigan Avenue, Union Station, and the Chicago Cultural Center are all unsafe places is just ridiculous.

I wouldn't be so quick to discount Geezer's experience as "garbage"as you put it. The area he is describing is safe today but that wasn't always the case. His history in Chicago goes back a very long time and the area he is talking about wasn't always safe a pristine as it is today. Many of the crimes in Chicago may be gang related but there are a lot of innocent people getting caught in the cross-fires of gang-related crime in the rougher parts of Chicago and it's not in a "small part of the city". The maps and the numbers say otherwise.
Glad you enjoyed your walk downtown.




This map shows the high crime area of Chicago and it's not "confined to a very small part of the city". The map and the numbers say otehrwise. It looks like The Loop, the Gold Coast, Hyde Park, Beverly, Hegewisch and area near O'hare are the small part of the city.



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

[quote=kngkyle,reply=40]This is such a bunch of garbage. The vast vast vast majority of the murders and violent crimes are between gang members and confined to a very small part of the city, far away from any place anyone would want to go to. To suggest the Loop, Michigan Avenue, Union Station, and the Chicago Cultural Center are all unsafe places is just ridiculous.

I was just in Chicago this week and felt perfectly safe walking around and riding the subway at 2am in the morning by myself. Like every city, big and small, there are some parts of town that you avoid. You only need to worry if 1) you are in a gang or 2) you are in a gang area



Better be glad you didn't ride the Pink Line ! I just read this today in the tribune............


Police issued a community alert this afternoon warning commuters about recent robberies on CTA Pink Line trains.

Police said at least two individuals have approached victims on the CTA Pink Line and grabbed their cell phones as the train stopped at a station.

The robberies occurred at 10:40 p.m. on Dec. 10 near the 200 block of South Kostner Avenue, at 6:50 p.m. on Dec. 16 on the 1900 block of South Central Park Avenue, at 6:04 p.m. on the 2000 block of South Pulaski Road and at 11:20 a.m. on Dec. 18 on the 1900 block of South Kedzie Avenue, police said.

The robbers were described as black men between the ages of 20 and 30. One robber is between 6 feet to 6 feet 6 inches tall, and the other was described as over 7 feet tall with his head almost touching the top of the train.

They both were wearing dark clothing and one was sporting a White Sox baseball cap, police said.

Anyone with information about the robberies or robbers should contact Area Central detectives at 312-747-8380.


I would hate to get "into it" with a 6" 6" and a 7' "perp" unless I had my trusty Glock with me ! (And Rahm-Deadfish doesn't "allow" seniors to "carry" in Chi; ) looks like I may have to hire a Seal Team to accompany me after all ! And as 'Fly said, I'm glad you enjoyed your ride ! (Just be thankful you made it home alive ! )

Charley



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3989 times:
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Quoting Geezer (Reply 48):
(Just be thankful you made it home alive ! )

Technically - the people who got their phone stolen in the Pink Line - made it home alive. As do the hundreds of thousands that go to the loop every single day.

Indiana Geezer?

Better keep the SWAT team handy

"ROBBERY 100 block of South Grant Street, 2 a.m. Saturday, a man reported two suspects tackled him from behind" - Bloomington Indiana

http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sto...ies/2012/10/22/news.policebeat.sto

[Edited 2012-12-27 17:25:30]


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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Been to Chicago many times. A great read and wonderful pictures. Hey, Superfly; there's a one in a zillion chance I might be aboard the Santa Fe in your picture (Reply 9) on my way to Los Angeles in 1961. It's GMD F7 A-B-B-B-A power section which I believed they used on the west coast Super Chief run.

I have always enjoyed my visits to Chicago (mostly downtown, I admit).

On a more dismal note, today the news announced that Chicago parking meters just went to $6.75 per HOUR. regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently onlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 50):
On a more dismal note, today the news announced that Chicago parking meters just went to $6.75 per HOUR.

The highest in the country! Ain't that something special, maybe it'll keep the crime rate down...



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3972 times:
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Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 51):
Quoting cptkrell (Reply 50):
On a more dismal note, today the news announced that Chicago parking meters just went to $6.75 per HOUR.

The highest in the country! Ain't that something special, maybe it'll keep the crime rate down...

Still cheaper than parking in a 'private lot".. Street parking should be as expense as private lots. Why should a city not charge as much as the forces of the market allow? It about running government "as a business"..



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3961 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 51):
The highest in the country! Ain't that something special, maybe it'll keep the crime rate down...



        

Quoting mt99 (Reply 52):
Street parking should be as expense as private lots. Why should a city not charge as much as the forces of the market allow? It about running government "as a business"..



In a parking lot, your car is safer and less likely to get stolen or broken in to. Parking your car on the streets in certain parts of Chicago, you mine as well kiss it goodbye....
Not to mention in a parking lot, you don't need to keep going back to feed the meter.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15474 posts, RR: 26
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 53):
n a parking lot, your car is safer and less likely to get stolen or broken in to. Parking your car on the streets in certain parts of Chicago, you mine as well kiss it goodbye....

My dad loves to tell the story from when he lived in Chicago of a Corvette that was often parked near where he lived. The owner would always chain it to a lamp post. One day, the car was there chained up but was reversed from how the owner left it with a note on the windshield that read "If we want it, we'll get it."



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Reply 55, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3955 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 54):
My dad loves to tell the story from when he lived in Chicago

My dad loves also tell funny but un-true stories..


http://www.snopes.com/autos/theft/carthief.asp



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 54):
when he lived in Chicago of a Corvette that was often parked near where he lived.

Sorry but the story was hard to believe from that point onward.  
The only 'vette I'd park on the street in Chicago is a Chevette.  



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3942 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 53):
Parking your car on the streets in certain parts of Chicago, you mine as well kiss it goodbye....

i bet that there are no meters on those streets though..



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 57):
i bet that there are no meters on those streets though..



Possibly but the paid private parking lots are a lot safer than parking on the street at a meter and sure as hell beats having to go out and feed the meter repeatedly. Parking lots cost more for a reason.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3904 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 58):
Possibly but the paid private parking lots are a lot safer than parking on the street at a meter

Not in the area of where the rate is $6.75/hour. BTW, $6.75 is NOT city wide. Only in the loop (and possibly River North); where in fact the crime rate is very low. So maybe you are right - high parking rates help with crime.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 51):
The highest in the country! Ain't that something special, maybe it'll keep the crime rate down...

The crime rate is high, were there are no meter!. You - are a genius.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 58):
Parking lots cost more for a reason.

What about the places where there are no Private lots? Where you have to park on the street? What is fair price for it? Again; it should be as high as the maket allow. Private business mentality; the way it shoud be.



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User currently onlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 59):
You - are a genius.

I was joking...?



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Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
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Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 60):
I was joking...?

Yes - it was great!

(so was I)

[Edited 2012-12-28 08:41:23]


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16693 posts, RR: 51
Reply 62, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3866 times:

Chicago is going to end the year with more homicides than NYC, what makes this disturbing is that NYC has about 5.5 million more residents than Chicago.

NYC:

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationw...d/2020007376_apusnyccrimerate.html

Chicago:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...cide-toll-20121228,0,5456581.story



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 63, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3849 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 62):
disturbing is that NYC has about 5.5 million more residents than Chicago.

Then Detroit, St Loius, Oakland, Memphis, Birmignham, Atlanta, Baltimore, Stokton, Clevland, and Buffalo would disturb you even more

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfi...of-americas-most-dangerous-cities/



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

Mostly gang members killing gang members. Good riddance.

User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 49):
"ROBBERY 100 block of South Grant Street, 2 a.m. Saturday, a man reported two suspects tackled him from behind" - Bloomington Indiana

Yeah, that's a damned college town, 40 miles from here..........I never go there

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 50):
On a more dismal note, today the news announced that Chicago parking meters just went to $6.75 per HOUR. regards...jack

Which is why we always go to John's house in Seneca, leave the Cube there, take the Metra downtown, and grab a cab from Union Station; (unless I have my Seal Team with me)

Can you imagine, getting rousted by 6'6" & "over 7' perps ?



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 66, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 64):
Mostly gang members killing gang members. Good riddance.



Sadly an lot of innocent people get caught up in the crossfire as well as mistaken identity.
Years a go, a friend of our family had a 13 year old son with down syndrome that was shot right front of his house near 89th & Cottage Grove.
Had to have been mistaken identity. He was much bigger than your average 13 year old and was in special ed and totally harmless.



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