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F1 - 2012/13 Off Season Thread  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8439 times:

Guys,

I thought it would be nice to have a dedicated thread to talk about the off season events in the F1 galaxy.

I would like to start the thread by talking about a giant who is going to leave his role as President of Mercedes motorsport by the end of the year. Haug was part of Mercedes since 1990 and led the brand to an incredible amount of wins and titles in many categories across the planet. Here are some of his "stats" (from Autosport):

Quote:
1990 - The year in which Haug became Mercedes motorsport vice-president. He joined on October 1, just days before Jean-Louis Schlesser and Mauro Baldi clinched the World Sportscar title in a Mercedes C11

986 - Total number of races featuring a factory Mercedes presence during the Haug era. The three-pointed star won 439 of them, or 45 per cent if you prefer.

500 – Mercedes built an engine with the aim specifically to win the Indianapolis 500, and achieved it in 1994 with Penske and Al Unser Jr, breaking its Indycar series duck in the process. Eighteen more victories followed, with Unser and Greg Moore recording five of them each.

87 – Number of Formula 1 wins taken by Mercedes-powered cars during the Haug era. Mika Hakkinen took all 20 of his grand prix wins and his 1998-99 titles in McLaren-Mercedes. Lewis Hamilton in 2008 and Jenson Button in 2009 followed with McLaren and Brawn. The three-pointed star also powered cars to two constructors' titles.

19 – total number of DTM titles won, nine drivers' crowns courtesy of Klaus Ludwig, Bernd Schneider, Gary Paffett and Paul di Resta and 10 constructors' prizes.

13 – Drivers' titles won in major Formula 3 championships since Mercedes' engine programme began during the last decade. Jamie Green won the first in the Euro Series in 2004, while Lewis Hamilton, Paul di Resta, Nico Hulkenberg, Romain Grosjean and Jaime Alguersuari followed. A total of 189 major F3 wins have been scored, including 10 at the Masters and four at Macau.

10 – Mercedes won all 10 races of the 1998 FIA GT Championship; Ludwig and Ricardo Zonta taking the drivers' title ahead of '97 champion Bernd Schneider and Mark Webber.

2 – Championships won in the short-lived DTM successor, the ITC. Schneider again took the drivers' crown while a squad including Dario Franchitti.

1 – Number of grand prix wins gained by Mercedes as a constructor since returning to F1 in 2010. Nico Rosberg scored the victory at this year's Chinese Grand Prix.

Haug is leaving because the results of Mercedes GP over the last three years were not good enough.

Good luck to him in his next adventure   


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8306 times:
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British GP2 driver Max Chilton, younger brother of British Touring Car driver Tom Chilton, has been given a full time race seat by Marussia in 2013:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104867

I don't watch a lot of GP2, so I have no idea how talented or otherwise Chilton is, but good luck to him. Being stuck at the back of the grid isn't going to make it easy to impress other teams enough to get a better drive, but I hope he does well.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8285 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 1):
I don't watch a lot of GP2, so I have no idea how talented or otherwise Chilton is

Me neither. I actually know more his brother Tom, whom I used to see racing when I was watching lots of BTCC back in the early 2000s.

I also learned yesterday that Kobayashi could not get a seat for next season (i.e. could not get enough money to buy a seat) and that he will try to come back in 2014.

So here is where we stand so far:

Red Bull
Sebastian Vettel
Mark Webber

Ferrari
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa

McLaren
Jenson Button
Sergio Perez

Lotus
Kimi Raikkonen
Romain Grosjean

Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton
Nico Rosberg

Sauber
Nico Hulkenberg
Esteban Gutierrez

Force India
Paul di Resta
Seat still available

Williams
Pastor Maldonado
Valtteri Bottas

Toro Rosso
Daniel Ricciardo
Jean-Eric Vergne

Caterham
Charles Pic
Seat still available

Marussia
Timo Glock
Max Chilton

Only two seats to get. Who has the biggest bank account at the moment?



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8278 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 2):
Force India
Paul di Resta
Seat still available
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 2):
Only two seats to get. Who has the biggest bank account at the moment?

Rumours/speculation in the German media are linking Sutil with the second Force India seat. I personally would have given Kovalainen another chance but perhaps Sutil is bringing in more Euros than the Finn...


User currently offlineb78710 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 8264 times:

So do some of these drivers actually pay to drive?

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10906 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8262 times:

Quoting b78710 (Reply 4):
do some of these drivers actually pay to drive?

Absolutely.
No personal sponsor coming with $$$$$$$$$ = no driver's seat.

              



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User currently offlineb78710 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8259 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Absolutely.
No personal sponsor coming with $$$$$$$$$ = no driver's seat.

Wow. I never knew that, I just assumed they all got paid to drive. Obviously some more than others.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8250 times:

Quoting b78710 (Reply 4):
So do some of these drivers actually pay to drive?

Formula 1 cost a lot of money and some teams have more difficulties than others with their budget, so they hire drivers who are coming with big sponsors:

- Pastor Maldonado brought a substantial amount of money to Williams thanks to the national oil company of Venezuela, PDVSA.
- Bruno Senna brought something like 15 million euros thanks to the Brazilian oil company Eike Batista.
- Vitaly Petrov is backed by multiple Russian companies also brought 15 million euros to his team.
- Sergio Pérez has Telmex as a sponsor, etc.

I took those figures from this interesting article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012...pastor-maldonado-f1-money-drivers.

And if you're good enough, like Alonso, you can start your career like that and end up being paid millions to drive a top-team car.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10906 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8191 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
- Pastor Maldonado brought a substantial amount of money to Williams thanks to the national oil company of Venezuela, PDVSA.

and from his good buddy Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez without whom he wouldn't be in his F1 seat at Williams.

PDVSA continues to hire only supporters of the president, and PDVSA revenue is used to fund political projects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDVSA.

I am curious as to which Russian companies have financially supported Vitaly Petrov. Could be some shady business there too. These deals never get unveiled to the public.

    Wow!



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

Montezemolo basically wants Bernie to step down. Do I dare to say that the Italian is still pissed? Yes I do!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104910



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8048 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 9):
Montezemolo basically wants Bernie to step down.

It is very rarely that I agree with Luca di M (regular readers of these threads will attest to that) but there is little in that article to argue with.. in fact I wholeheartedly endorse most of it.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8046 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 10):
It is very rarely that I agree with Luca di M (regular readers of these threads will attest to that) but there is little in that article to argue with.. in fact I wholeheartedly endorse most of it.

Fair enough, but looking at what he said after that Alonso lost the title makes me wonder though.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8041 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 11):
Fair enough, but looking at what he said after that Alonso lost the title makes me wonder though.

Agreed, but he is right about Bernie's other failings.. races in places that should not have them just based on $$
I hate those races in desret hell holes with no fans, no atmosphere, at the expense of places where the people care and are passionate about the racing.

I think Bernie should go, he has achieved a lot but his day is done, we need someone who will capitalise on the merchandising and Brand... the income from effective merchandising would make the "traditional" races viable without the need to race where no gives a shit!!

The desert races, most the asian races .. have no place on the calendar,

Get back to the essence of Fi.. Bernie has to go for that to happen.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10906 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

Ayrton Senna's fully running 1984 Toleman is up for sale.
Any buyers here?

Place your bids:
http://www.mementoexclusives.com/Buy...r-p/tg184.htm#.UMgLRIGBj9Y.twitter

        



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10906 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

F1 Christmas songs!

All I want for Christmas is F1 - The F1 fans
Kimi the Iceman - Kimi Raikkönen
The First Vettel - Red Bull Racing (2010 Original Mix)
Felipe The Red Nose Reindeer - Felipe Massa
O Little Town of Monte Carlo - Prince Albert
Let it slow - Narain Karthikeyan
Jolly Old Saint Bernie - The Sponsors
Sergio is coming to town - Sergio Perez
F1 cars roasting on an open fire - Romain Grosjean
Crashin' Around the Christmas Tree - Pastor Maldonado
Bonus track:
Lost Christmas - Wham Ft. Kimi Raikkönen

Loose Wheel Nut

              



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User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 255 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7950 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Absolutely.
No personal sponsor coming with $$$$$$$$$ = no driver's seat.

              

In that case it is not the driver paying though, but a sponsor. As far as I know there are no drivers paying out of own pockets to drive a F1 car at this moment, although you might consider Chilton, new driver for Marussia, as it's very likely his dad is paying for him.

Many guys wouldn't have a seat without those personal sponsors, but all those guys do need to have at least some speed (except maybe for the now defunct HRT). Maldonado is often the portrait for the ultimate sponsor driver, but he did win a race on merit and showed flashes of brilliance on other occasions.

Someone asked Alonso this year how it felt to be a pay driver (Santander being a sponsor of Ferrari and all). His answer was that he was not a pay driver, but rather a driver paid by both a team and a sponsor.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10906 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

   2013 F1 Winter testing dates at Jerez and Montmelo   

There will be 3 sessions of 4 days each to test the new season's cars.

5-8 February Jerez
19-22 February Barcelona
28 February - 3 March Barcelona

   2013 F1 Race calendar   

The German round has been moved forward a week to July 7, and an additional date of July 21 has been reserved for another F1 European event, subject to the approval of the relevant national sporting authorities (ASNs).

7/03 Australia
24/03 Malaysia
14/04 China
21/04 Bahrain
12/05 Spain
26/05 Monaco
09/06 Canada
30/06 Great Britain
07/07 Germany
21/07 Reserved for another European event*
28/07 Hungary
25/08 Belgium
08/09 Italy
22/09 Singapore
06/10 Korea
13/10 Japan
27/10 India
03/11 Abu Dhabi
17/11 USA
24/11 Brazil
*subject to the approval of the relevant ASNs

  



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7699 times:
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Thanks MadameC for the update.

Just one small thing before anyone makes travel plans  

The Australian GP is on 17/3

Cheers



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7519 times:

First, happy new year to the F1 community of A.net!

Second, I might have the chance to attend the Canadian GP this year, since there is no conflict with the 24 Hours of Le Mans. The only thing that will prevent me from going is the ticket price...



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User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7374 times:

Graham Hill,

thanks for starting this thread, now I finally joined A-net I intend to post on F1 subjects once in a while.....I am a huge fan, I have been from the Prost days in 1993. Williams used to be my team but after Villeneuve things turned pear-shaped unfortunately. I was a fan of "your son" Damon, 1996.....a great season!

I have a question for the F1 community.........a so-called off season question:

What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?
Some of the bigger teams'models go to museums etc, I know.....I believe all Williams models are still on display in their factory for instance.
But what happens to all the other cars, the large majority......are the 2012 models recycled into the 2013 cars?

I believe Sebastian Vettel is the owner of his 2010, 2011 and 2012 championship car, is that correct?
Courtesy of a certain energy drink......

Thanks for any answers folks,


FH



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7359 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
I have been from the Prost days in 1993. Williams used to be my team but after Villeneuve things turned pear-shaped unfortunately. I was a fan of "your son" Damon, 1996.....a great season!

Welcome. You will notice that some of us are from the same era as yourself. "Those were the days" kind of thing.

I like the way the Lotus boss state that he want drivers, not robots, in this article,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105006



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7340 times:
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Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?

Certainly Williams, McLaren and I guess others keep an example or two for their museums but complete cars very rarely "escape" the team these days. I know SV grows attached to his cars but as for having the championship cars, I am not sure.
Ferrari are opening a subsidiary here in Australia and part of that is the "loan" of one of Schuey''s Championship cars, it will look like the car and have some suspension and bodywork, it will not have an actual tub, engine or transmission.
There is a historic race in Australia that owns and races 2 x1985 Ferrari 156/85 Turbo F1 cars, as far as I know that is about the most recent F1 cars running in private hands.
There may be others in museums but few any later than that actually run, the shear amount of people, technology and logistics required to merely start a recent F1 engine is beyond most privateers much less the maint and running requirements.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7308 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
thanks for starting this thread, now I finally joined A-net I intend to post on F1 subjects once in a while

Welcome to the forum, FH! I hope you will enjoy the discussion here.

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
I was a fan of "your son" Damon, 1996.....a great season!

Me too . Actually, I was supporting any driver that could beat Schumacher: Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, etc.

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?

As Stealthz said, some stay in the factories (displayed in the "internal" showroom of the factories, like in McLaren) or Ferrari), some go to museums, like the Donington one where you have the impressive McLaren Hall, some go to auction for people like you and me (with more money though!) so they can race them in historic events, etc.

However, I doubt that the cars are "recycled" for the following season.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 21):
There may be others in museums but few any later than that actually run, the shear amount of people, technology and logistics required to merely start a recent F1 engine is beyond most privateers much less the maint and running requirements.

I think Ferrari has a department for customers who bought a Ferrari F1. The car stays in Maranello, so you'll have to go there to drive it, but at least you have customer support.



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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?

I always found it interesting how crossing the finish line at the last race of the year turns the most technically advanced racing car into a heap of rubbish that can't be used competitively in any further events!

That said, I have personally seen prior year cars in the following settings:
- Museums - the Sinsheim museum in Germany had a few Ferrari, McLaren, Williams, and Sauber cars.
- Corporate showrooms - the McLaren dealership in Kensington (London), for instance, had a 2008 ex-Hamilton car hanging from a wall this past summer. Although not a showroom, the Ferrari store at the Beverly Center in Beverly Hills had what looked like a 2004-era car on display in 2007 or thereabouts.
- Car shows - my first ever sighting of an F1 car was at the New York Auto Show in 2000...back when Jaguar was racing as a constructor they had one of the 1999 Stewart cars painted in their green colours on display. More recently I've seen both Ferrari and Renault display their older F1 cars as part of their broader vehicle display at shows in Los Angeles and Frankfurt.

Finally, I have occasionally read of teams using last year's car for testing, sometimes using it only to evaluate new/young drivers or to evaluate components that would work in the same fashion in the new car.

Quoting sudden (Reply 20):
I like the way the Lotus boss state that he want drivers, not robots, in this article,

I agree with you. There seems to be a greater push by the larger teams (and sponsors) to polish the appearance of their drivers to the point that they become, by extension, PR representatives of the engine/car manufacturers or sponsors. This year both Vettel and Raikkonen gave us quite a few verbal outbursts that are nearly absent from most other drivers. It's like they are not even allowed to be humans with emotions anymore, just a clog in the machine that talks from time to time.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 22):
Me too . Actually, I was supporting any driver that could beat Schumacher: Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, etc.

Schumi's battles with Hakkinen in particular was something special. Hakkinen was the only driver that Schumi really showed respect. He never pulled any stunts on him like we saw him do with Villeneuve. The famous going-right-in-a-left-corner  

Looks like Mclaren will be first to launch their car on the 31st of January.



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25 Post contains images MIAspotter : It is still there as of last week when I was in London, it had the number 22 on the car. The one here in Barcelona also has an F1 car as well as the
26 stealthz : The key words are "looked like a 2004-era car" very few, if any of those "showroom" cars have very much of a real F1 car in them apart from some body
27 Post contains links Bill142 : That made me think of this memorable Hakkinen vs Schumacher battle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eE3gCy5zvM
28 sudden : Epic!
29 Post contains links and images CXB77L : As someone who will support Williams through thick and thin ... "used to be"??? I started watching F1 in 1994, saw Williams take three Constructors a
30 GrahamHill : Did you see that they cancelled the Turkish GP? We now have 19 GPs for 2013. It would be good if Bernie and the French federation could find an agreem
31 TheSultanOfWing : Merci! I am with you......shame Coulthard never could! I didn't know this......interesting! I can't imagine how much $$$ would be involved to have yo
32 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This just came on my Twitter He looks so nice on this picture http://vimeo.com/54183275 Music is a big part of Lewis Hamilton - but he doesn´t only l
33 ncfc99 : We have car auctions at my place of work. We've had a Ferrari of Schumacher, a BAR of Button and my favourite, a McLaren of Senna. The BAR didn't hav
34 Post contains links Bill142 : It would seem McLaren has a big warehouse of old cars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCX...=UU8dxVgZl9u5HeCOXnosCtuQ&index=93
35 sudden : Holy moses! That's really sweet. Hamilton looked touched by the fact that he was sitting in Senna's car. Who can blame him. Those cars had little to
36 Post contains links Bill142 : Hamilton even mentions that he must have been driving one handed as the gear shifter wasn't steering wheel mounted back then. I've found another vide
37 sudden : I bet another member here will treasure that video. And I can assure you it's not me!
38 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Must be the same Bar I posted earlier on that was sold on ebay. 25.000,00 GBP 31 bids THIS CAR WAS PURCHASED DIRECT FROM HONDA AND WAS THIER 2003 JEN
39 BlueElephant : Oye, its been a while - hope all of you are well! I promise to post more this year! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yCsdnUW2Ww This is the video in q
40 sudden : Great! That car is a time machine, in a way. What a privilege to be able to drive it and be taken back to that era of racing.
41 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Bring back Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, Gehrard Berger... and the Turbos in Monaco. The noise was exhilarating! The 80's and early 90's were fab! 1993
42 stealthz : Ah yes, it was 1993 in a park near central Adelaide, a Friday morning in November... Nearby a young father and his son, of obvious Mediterranean heri
43 Post contains links sudden : Pedro de la Rosa joins Ferrari. Interesting development to his career. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105129
44 stealthz : mmm.. considering his role in the events of 2007 it is indeed interesting. Karma or payback, undecided on that!!
45 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is very good news. Thank you Ferrari.. I always liked the driver and the man also. He is so niiiice!
46 sudden : Indeed! I do however think that Alonso had a finger or 2 in this regarding bringing Pedro onboard.
47 Post contains images MadameConcorde : It could be - probably some influence on Stefano for sure - but Pedro isn't just any driver. He has a history behind him as a F1 driver, and also as
48 sudden : They will never hire Pedro as their driver. He is simply not talented enough. Might be a good developer, but he's not fast enough.
49 Post contains images MadameConcorde : It would never come to my mind that Ferrari would hire Pedro as a driver. He is too old anyway. He can be at Ferrari a long while as a developer mayb
50 sudden : Check the history on that.
51 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Happy birthday Jenson Button!
52 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This is Sebastian Vettel with one of his fabled helmets driving a proper car for a commercial Pictures https://twitter.com/PFF1/status/292670459600838
53 Post contains links KiwiRob : There was an article in Car magazine about this warehouse last year, the writer was pretty much blindfolded as the location is top secret. Since Ron
54 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : F1: what a driver sees on board. HD Extreme Real F1 Driver Point of View - 2013 - Lucas di Grassi http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded
55 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : McLaren Epic Fail Ha Ha Ha Red faces at McLaren after Button's birthday greeting features picture of Hamilton McLaren were left red-faced on Saturday
56 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : GLOCK SHOCK. There is a strong rumour going around that Timo Glock will announce he's leaving Marussia tomorrow. Possibly heading to the DTM series. G
57 Post contains images mad99 : Should be, "thank you santander" nice and slow
58 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : 2013 F1 season Marussia have confirmed Timo Glock will not drive for them this year. The team issued a statement saying the decision was reached “by
59 TheSultanOfWing : I heard a rumor that Williams will NOT have the car ready for the 1st test of the season. Not a good sign.....I guess. Great video! Thanks! Yes. I wou
60 CXB77L : Correct, but I don't see it as much of a setback. The FW35 will be launched on 19 February, so there's nearly a month between launch and first race.
61 sudden : Wont be an issue. They will run a hybrid from last years car.
62 Post contains images moo : Happens all the time, considering that McLaren send cars to show centers, demo events, wind tunnels, test tracks etc etc etc - plenty of movements to
63 Post contains images sudden : Yes, but he's nice so that compensates.
64 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Try getting hired by a top 10 F1 team and prove you can do better times than Pedro (or Timo Glock) on all the WDC racing tracks during a whole season
65 Post contains images Rockson : This year I'm going to the Spanish GP for the fourth time. I'm thinking of grandstand F, but i'm a bit worried about the lack of TV screens in front o
66 Post contains images MadameConcorde : . Good for you. I am sure you will have a great time. I am booked (confirmed) for Monaco for the ump-th time. Monaco is the ultimate F1 GP. I know th
67 stealthz : Hardly relevant, the car that is "launched" rarely bares more than a passing similarity to the car that makes it to race day(or even testing), they o
68 blueflyer : Who says they know? Not every car is pushed directly into a truck. How often do you think McLaren sends a car to storage? Three, four times a year, p
69 sudden : Talent!? Care to elaborate on that one? If Glock is such a talent, why is he then without a drive for this season, and coming ones if you ask me.
70 KiwiRob : Maybe as a glamorous event but as an actual race the cars outgrew Monaco decades ago, the only thing that keeps it above some of the crap Asian and M
71 Bill142 : I'm sure most journalists have better things to do than sit outside of MTC waiting for trucks to come out. The road past MTC is actually pretty busy
72 sudden : court ajourned!
73 stealthz : Ross Brawn on the outer at Mercedes?? More and more coverage appearing about the possible replacement of Ross Brawn by McLaren's Paddy Lowe. Not sure
74 sudden : Also that an incon, Mr Haug left, indicates that you might be on to something.
75 Bill142 : The boards of manufacturers don't seem to get that F1 teams are best given their pot of money each year and left alone to run themselves. Mercedes pr
76 Post contains links and images moo : Ferrari 2013 car reveal advert: McLaren 2012 car reveal advert: Notice anything ... similar?
77 stealthz : So depite the protestations of the "Spygate" tifosi it seems the Scuderia is reading from someone elses playbook to this day!
78 Post contains links sudden : Online launch of the Lotus on the 28th. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105251
79 Post contains links sudden : Another move made as Wolff leave Williams to join Merc. http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2013/1/14201.html Sorry, just saw that this was covered
80 stealthz : The linked article will not allow copying or pasting, to add to my earlier comments Wolff is also a shareholder in HWA AG which is the racing arm of
81 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : A flurry of articles on this came up in the German press/media this morning. Wolff hofft bei Mercedes auf den "Trainer-Effekt" http://www.formel1.de/
82 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Timo Glock and Robert Kubica test DTM cars Ex-F1 stars test DTM cars By Tom Bellingham on 24 January 2013 in F1 Robert Kubica and Timo Glock both took
83 stealthz : Interestingly, it seems Marussia have released(fired) Timo Glock on "commercial grounds" without having a cashed up enough replacement in hand... suck
84 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Not all drivers can get huge $$$$ sponsorships from big names such as Carlos Slim Helu Chairman & CEO of Telmex and PDVSA Venezuela's State Oil C
85 TheSultanOfWing : Fair enough......point taken. Yes, I gathered that much. That argument I don't buy so much. Surely some people are unhappy about their job, perhaps t
86 moo : NDA's can be veeeeeeeery powerful.
87 KiwiRob : Very few people know the location, hence the reason for it being called a secret location, get it over it already.
88 TheSultanOfWing : I wouldn't know, I have never dealt with one. I guess you are right. I am not sure what "get it over it already" means, but I assume you dislike my q
89 blueflyer : Two reasons: a) security-in-depth; b) one or two would-be wrong doers are much easier to spot when they're checking out a secret location than when t
90 mad99 : true McLaren signed Sergio and we'll see what sponsor names are on the car this year.. not a good tend imo
91 Post contains links and images sudden : Lotus launch tonight at 9 pm CET tonight. If you want to see it you can use this link... http://www.youtube.com/lotusf1team By the way, watch the link
92 Post contains images MadameConcorde : With Grosjean at the wheel, the E21 will mostly be a collection of rapidly dissasembling pieces of carbon fibre.
93 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : The first pictures of the E21:
94 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I watched the livecast on You flube. Kimi did not seem over-enthusiastic. Those fugly red patches. As for the car let's wait til testing and see how
95 BlueElephant : That's quite a front wing. I'm still annoyed by the step in the nose. I would have thought more teams would have adopted the McLaren nose. Hope others
96 Post contains images GrahamHill : This is Kimi's face when he wins a GP: So imagine Kimi during a press conference where he must answer questions...
97 Post contains links GrahamHill : Apparently, the teams agreed that they would try to cover that ugly nose with a modesty panel, but the guys at Enstone said that it was adding few ex
98 Post contains images CXB77L : Thanks for that. I guess the stepped noses are here to stay. At least Lotus' nose doesn't look too bad, as it blends in well with the monocoque. He's
99 sudden : By all means. Don't care how he look anyway. He proved last season that he is here to drive, not talk.
100 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Are HRT about to come back to F1 as Scorpion? HRT to live again as Scorpion Racing emerge? The Spanish team folded at the end of 2012, but there are p
101 Post contains links sudden : Mclaren launch today at 11 am (I take it's UK time) Live feed here, http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8dx...9u5HeCOXnosCtuQ?sub_confirmation=1
102 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : These are pictures of Kimi's car. This is Grosjean's.
103 sudden : No major changes of the Mclaren, at first glance.[Edited 2013-01-31 03:33:18]
104 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : And the pics:
105 Post contains links sudden : Ferrari's challenger has been launched. Glad to see that they left the duck nose behind. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105354 Also FI ch
106 Post contains links sudden : van der Garde gets Caterham drive. As a "hybrid" Dutch person this is cool news. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105365
107 GrahamHill : Translate "Van der Garde was the one who could bring the most money to Catherham, the team confirmed on Friday". That said, congratulations to him!
108 sudden : LOL! Was indeed what happened.
109 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I was going to say The one who comes with the most money wins the seat. Does not matter what else they bring as long as they come with the big bucks.
110 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Be the first to see RB9
111 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : More seriously... I watched the unveiling of the RB9 NeweyBull on Youflube. Nice looking car, possibly another constructors title contender this seaso
112 Post contains links and images KiwiRob : The Sauber C32 is a stunning looking beastie.
113 sudden : I sure second that!
114 moo : Interesting that few 2013 cars thus far have stuck with the obvious duck nose - most either seem to have raised the nose edges to hide it, or flat out
115 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The looks aren't all. Let's see how the car will perform and what the drivers can do with it. As the new Silver Arrow, the MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS F1 W
116 sudden : I am sure he knows this just as most of us. A car can still be good looking, and the paint cheme on the Sauber is brilliant.
117 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Alright, so far we have: 28th January - Lotus Renault 31st January - McLaren Mercedes 1st February - Ferrari 1st February - Force India Mercedes 2nd F
118 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Good job doing the recap. Thank you. I still prefer the first RB9. It looks more RedBull-ish.
119 TheSultanOfWing : You don't say...... Well spoken! I don't care for that black line at the bottom! Sweet, as always! Nice. I have a suggestion for the nickname Vettel
120 Post contains links sudden : Finally the madness has commenced! First test session, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105417
121 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : with Nico the Rosberg W04 in flames and a McLaren breakdown. The reports are for the first 4 hours. There is still a long way to go. Caterham has pic
122 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : The new Marussia:
123 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : The new Catheram:
124 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Thank you for posting the pictures The Airbus on Wheels does not look convincing. and best of luck to them too. Toro Rosso (Red Bull in Italian) tryin
125 GrahamHill : It's actually full of aviation sponsors: General Electrics, Airbus and Safran. If only they were sponsoring Red Bull...
126 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I noticed Safran. I would rather Airbus sponsoring Ferrari Red Bull have got Mateschitz. The multi-Billionaire is one of the world's richest individu
127 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : It was just a bad joke I forgot to add pictures of the new Toro Rosso: So now, only Williams is missing!
128 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Interesting, unusual entertaining video from NeweyBull RB9 RHYTHM OF THE FACTORY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t6cxIeCIjE&feature=youtu.be
129 mad99 : dog rings!! oh the memory's i can almost smell the used oil!!
130 Post contains links sudden : They don't need any help from the aviation industry. Red Bull gives you wings, I heard. I wonder how much money this guy brought to land a seat with
131 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Shamilton just crashed his brand new Mercedes! After the flames... now comes the crash. A promising debut. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21344
132 flipdewaf : Airbus already have a fernando alonso they surely don't need another? Fred
133 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Airbus are very rich. They can afford to have the two of them. The flying test pilot Fernando Alonso AND the driving pilot Fernando Alonso for as lon
134 Bill142 : I wonder how long until we hear about Schumacher doping scandal like another seven times champion. Hang on, we've been talking about it for the past
135 sudden : Well, that might take time looking at posts provided by some.
136 sudden : A covered car on the back of a flatbed!? You wanted us to see what?
137 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Lewis Hamilton's Crash Video - 2013 Jerez Formula One Tests http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waLwFmZIlt4&feature=youtu.be EPIC FAIL Bring back Schum
138 mad99 : reports say the car lost rear brakes due to a brake line breaking ..
139 Post contains images wilco737 : Guys, as you might have recognized several posts got deleted from this thread. Behave, post in a proper way, be respecftul to other users or we will l
140 stealthz : With Wilco737 on this! It is about F1 not petty bickering Back to what matters, Mark Webber says RedBull is in better shape than this time last year.
141 TheSultanOfWing : Vettel completed 105 laps today, and he seems to like his RB9. Competition....be forewarned! fh
142 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : 2013 Formula 1 Doom! A Ferrari in flames at Jerez http://www.tuttosport.com/formula1/f...rari+in+fiamme,+De+La+Rosa+nei+box Burn baby Burn
143 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : McLaren news Whitmarsh concerned by pay drivers Martin Whitmarsh has warned that there are too many pay drivers in Formula One at the moment and that
144 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Lots of buttons... but what do they do? The Insanely Complicated F1 Steering Wheel A modern F1 car is the most technologically sophisticated race car
145 Post contains links and images CXB77L : While we're on the subject of F1 steering wheels, Lotus has released a photo of Kimi Raikkonen's steering wheel for 2013: Good to see the guys at Lotu
146 KiwiRob : It's not and hasn't been for a while, WRC cars are far more high tech, the previous generation of DTM cars were also more advanced, F1 cars are (aero
147 Post contains images GrahamHill : That was my bad joke Where is the vodka button?
148 Post contains links TheSultanOfWing : The "rhythm" of building the 2013 World Championship car...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t6cxIeCIjE&feature=share FH
149 Post contains images MadameConcorde : already posted
150 Post contains links DiamondFlyer : Not sure if there is much interest, but the Marussia team shop has some gear at very good prices right now. That is, if you can be seen wearing it. ht
151 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Adrian Sutil back with Force India VJM in deep doo doo with Kingfisher Force India insulated from Mallya - team It was also reported that Adrian Sutil
152 Post contains links and images CXB77L : The new Williams Renault FW35: Looks a bit plain. I just hope it's fast.
153 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Barcelona testing Morning session timings Times at 13:00 1. Vettel, Red Bull, 1:23.046, 25 laps 2. Raikkonen, Lotus, 1:23.571, 19 laps 3. Alonso, Ferr
154 GrahamHill : Let's hope too. They have a good engine, so it's already something.
155 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Williams and Caterham exhaust designs deemed 'illegal' Williams and Caterham have been told by Formula 1's governing body, the FIA, that it considers
156 GrahamHill : I hope they have a backup design, because the season starts in one month!
157 TheSultanOfWing : Mmm, not what you want to hear at this stage! Bring back the 1996 "livery"...... Oops.....I guess I owe you an apology!! FH
158 Aesma : I've just discovered the change in networks for F1 in France, from a free to air one to a paying one. I love F1 but not at 40€/month, I'd rather spe
159 Post contains images MadameConcorde : First Barcelona Test, Day One 1. Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:22.616, 54 laps 2. Raikkonen, Lotus, 1:22.623, 44 laps 3. Alonso, Ferrari, 1:22.952, 110 laps 4.
160 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Barcelona Test Day Two Timings at 13.00 local time. 1 Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 1:22.197, 43 laps 2 Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 1:22.726, 64 laps 3 Se
161 Post contains links CXB77L : "Believes" is the key word there. An Autosport article on the same subject says that the teams can indeed run this design into the first race. If the
162 MadameConcorde : Barcelona Test, Day Two Perez puts McLaren on top in Barcelona Sergio Perez set the quickest time of the second day of testing at the Circuit de Catal
163 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Barcelona Test, Day Three Thursday times: 1 Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) 1:21.875, 97 laps 2 Nico Hulkenberg (Sauber) 1:22.160, 91 laps 3 Roman Grosjean
164 BlueElephant : I think we finally have an answer to the question: Who is faster, Lewis Hamilton or Sebastian Vettel. Both drove the Suzuki Liana on the exact same tr
165 Post contains links mad99 : http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/02/25/mclaren-confirm-lowe-leave-year/ so looks like the rumours were true!
166 kiwirob : Didn't drive on the same day so it means nothing, that said I think Buttons lap in the snow was very impressive, only 0.9 seconds off Vettels time in
167 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Sebastien Loeb! I am a fan!
168 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I only found out today that Renault Formula Ones can play national anthems Top Gear - Renault F1 plays God Save The Queen http://www.youtube.com/watch
169 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : A dedicated young Formula 1 fan: Kid builds his own cardboard Red Bull RB9 Check out a Japanese Red Bull Racing fan's home-made F1 car. Not content wi
170 Post contains images MIAspotter : Haha! dedication! Ferrari should sign him up now, you never know, it may be the future ¨Messi¨ of car design. I will be attending the tests on satu
171 Post contains images MadameConcorde : You lucky bunny!! Enjoy your time!!! Try to get as many drivers signed cards you can and remember to take your camera and get pictures for us! I will
172 MIAspotter : Oh you bet I will!! I´ll try! and as for the camera, that´s a given, already packed! I won´t be seeing them until... March at the Australian GP (I
173 Post contains images GrahamHill : I just read today that Montagny and Villeneuve will be the pundits. As to why Canal + has won the battle against TF1, I guess it's because they had q
174 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Keeping the trend with the Formula 1 musical series The Harlem Shake - Pit Stop Style - Sauber F1 Team http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8_7N67CO84
175 Post contains links GrahamHill : Jules Bianchi will be the 4th French driver of the 2013 F1 championship, as he will drive for Marussia. More here: http://www.autosport.com/news/repor
176 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Winter testing is over. Next stop, Australia!
177 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Roscoe, the latest addition to LewisHamilton 's entourage, becomes the first animal in history to have been granted a paddock pass by Bernie Eccleston
178 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Not really on topic, but I've come across some 1978 pictures of the Gilles Villeneuve circuit, so I'd like to share them with you On this aerial pictu
179 stealthz : Read with interest this morning that several F1 drivers had early morning visits by sports drug testing authorities!
180 Post contains images CXB77L : Wow, thank you for posting that! It's good to see how many circuits have changed over the years. I notice that the current start/finish straight wasn
181 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : Yes, it changed quite a lot in 35 years! Here is a 1964 picture of the site. The Notre-Dame island, where the track is located, was barely there: On
182 Post contains links GrahamHill : Before we open the thread on the first GP of the year (yay!), here is a video of Alonso behind the wheel with Massa as a passenger (and vice-versa for
183 stealthz : And a sobering moment before the start of the season. Ginny Williams 1946 – 2013 Lady Virginia Williams, wife of Sir Frank, passed away after battli
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