Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
F1 - 2012/13 Off Season Thread  
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Guys,

I thought it would be nice to have a dedicated thread to talk about the off season events in the F1 galaxy.

I would like to start the thread by talking about a giant who is going to leave his role as President of Mercedes motorsport by the end of the year. Haug was part of Mercedes since 1990 and led the brand to an incredible amount of wins and titles in many categories across the planet. Here are some of his "stats" (from Autosport):

Quote:
1990 - The year in which Haug became Mercedes motorsport vice-president. He joined on October 1, just days before Jean-Louis Schlesser and Mauro Baldi clinched the World Sportscar title in a Mercedes C11

986 - Total number of races featuring a factory Mercedes presence during the Haug era. The three-pointed star won 439 of them, or 45 per cent if you prefer.

500 – Mercedes built an engine with the aim specifically to win the Indianapolis 500, and achieved it in 1994 with Penske and Al Unser Jr, breaking its Indycar series duck in the process. Eighteen more victories followed, with Unser and Greg Moore recording five of them each.

87 – Number of Formula 1 wins taken by Mercedes-powered cars during the Haug era. Mika Hakkinen took all 20 of his grand prix wins and his 1998-99 titles in McLaren-Mercedes. Lewis Hamilton in 2008 and Jenson Button in 2009 followed with McLaren and Brawn. The three-pointed star also powered cars to two constructors' titles.

19 – total number of DTM titles won, nine drivers' crowns courtesy of Klaus Ludwig, Bernd Schneider, Gary Paffett and Paul di Resta and 10 constructors' prizes.

13 – Drivers' titles won in major Formula 3 championships since Mercedes' engine programme began during the last decade. Jamie Green won the first in the Euro Series in 2004, while Lewis Hamilton, Paul di Resta, Nico Hulkenberg, Romain Grosjean and Jaime Alguersuari followed. A total of 189 major F3 wins have been scored, including 10 at the Masters and four at Macau.

10 – Mercedes won all 10 races of the 1998 FIA GT Championship; Ludwig and Ricardo Zonta taking the drivers' title ahead of '97 champion Bernd Schneider and Mark Webber.

2 – Championships won in the short-lived DTM successor, the ITC. Schneider again took the drivers' crown while a squad including Dario Franchitti.

1 – Number of grand prix wins gained by Mercedes as a constructor since returning to F1 in 2010. Nico Rosberg scored the victory at this year's Chinese Grand Prix.

Haug is leaving because the results of Mercedes GP over the last three years were not good enough.

Good luck to him in his next adventure   


"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
183 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8172 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

British GP2 driver Max Chilton, younger brother of British Touring Car driver Tom Chilton, has been given a full time race seat by Marussia in 2013:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104867

I don't watch a lot of GP2, so I have no idea how talented or otherwise Chilton is, but good luck to him. Being stuck at the back of the grid isn't going to make it easy to impress other teams enough to get a better drive, but I hope he does well.



Boeing 777 fanboy
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8151 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 1):
I don't watch a lot of GP2, so I have no idea how talented or otherwise Chilton is

Me neither. I actually know more his brother Tom, whom I used to see racing when I was watching lots of BTCC back in the early 2000s.

I also learned yesterday that Kobayashi could not get a seat for next season (i.e. could not get enough money to buy a seat) and that he will try to come back in 2014.

So here is where we stand so far:

Red Bull
Sebastian Vettel
Mark Webber

Ferrari
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa

McLaren
Jenson Button
Sergio Perez

Lotus
Kimi Raikkonen
Romain Grosjean

Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton
Nico Rosberg

Sauber
Nico Hulkenberg
Esteban Gutierrez

Force India
Paul di Resta
Seat still available

Williams
Pastor Maldonado
Valtteri Bottas

Toro Rosso
Daniel Ricciardo
Jean-Eric Vergne

Caterham
Charles Pic
Seat still available

Marussia
Timo Glock
Max Chilton

Only two seats to get. Who has the biggest bank account at the moment?



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8144 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 2):
Force India
Paul di Resta
Seat still available
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 2):
Only two seats to get. Who has the biggest bank account at the moment?

Rumours/speculation in the German media are linking Sutil with the second Force India seat. I personally would have given Kovalainen another chance but perhaps Sutil is bringing in more Euros than the Finn...


User currently offlineb78710 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

So do some of these drivers actually pay to drive?

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8128 times:

Quoting b78710 (Reply 4):
do some of these drivers actually pay to drive?

Absolutely.
No personal sponsor coming with $$$$$$$$$ = no driver's seat.

              



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineb78710 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Absolutely.
No personal sponsor coming with $$$$$$$$$ = no driver's seat.

Wow. I never knew that, I just assumed they all got paid to drive. Obviously some more than others.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

Quoting b78710 (Reply 4):
So do some of these drivers actually pay to drive?

Formula 1 cost a lot of money and some teams have more difficulties than others with their budget, so they hire drivers who are coming with big sponsors:

- Pastor Maldonado brought a substantial amount of money to Williams thanks to the national oil company of Venezuela, PDVSA.
- Bruno Senna brought something like 15 million euros thanks to the Brazilian oil company Eike Batista.
- Vitaly Petrov is backed by multiple Russian companies also brought 15 million euros to his team.
- Sergio Pérez has Telmex as a sponsor, etc.

I took those figures from this interesting article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012...pastor-maldonado-f1-money-drivers.

And if you're good enough, like Alonso, you can start your career like that and end up being paid millions to drive a top-team car.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
- Pastor Maldonado brought a substantial amount of money to Williams thanks to the national oil company of Venezuela, PDVSA.

and from his good buddy Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez without whom he wouldn't be in his F1 seat at Williams.

PDVSA continues to hire only supporters of the president, and PDVSA revenue is used to fund political projects.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDVSA.

I am curious as to which Russian companies have financially supported Vitaly Petrov. Could be some shady business there too. These deals never get unveiled to the public.

    Wow!



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 hour ago) and read 7928 times:

Montezemolo basically wants Bernie to step down. Do I dare to say that the Italian is still pissed? Yes I do!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104910



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7914 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting sudden (Reply 9):
Montezemolo basically wants Bernie to step down.

It is very rarely that I agree with Luca di M (regular readers of these threads will attest to that) but there is little in that article to argue with.. in fact I wholeheartedly endorse most of it.



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7912 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 10):
It is very rarely that I agree with Luca di M (regular readers of these threads will attest to that) but there is little in that article to argue with.. in fact I wholeheartedly endorse most of it.

Fair enough, but looking at what he said after that Alonso lost the title makes me wonder though.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7907 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting sudden (Reply 11):
Fair enough, but looking at what he said after that Alonso lost the title makes me wonder though.

Agreed, but he is right about Bernie's other failings.. races in places that should not have them just based on $$
I hate those races in desret hell holes with no fans, no atmosphere, at the expense of places where the people care and are passionate about the racing.

I think Bernie should go, he has achieved a lot but his day is done, we need someone who will capitalise on the merchandising and Brand... the income from effective merchandising would make the "traditional" races viable without the need to race where no gives a shit!!

The desert races, most the asian races .. have no place on the calendar,

Get back to the essence of Fi.. Bernie has to go for that to happen.



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7892 times:

Ayrton Senna's fully running 1984 Toleman is up for sale.
Any buyers here?

Place your bids:
http://www.mementoexclusives.com/Buy...r-p/tg184.htm#.UMgLRIGBj9Y.twitter

        



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

F1 Christmas songs!

All I want for Christmas is F1 - The F1 fans
Kimi the Iceman - Kimi Raikkönen
The First Vettel - Red Bull Racing (2010 Original Mix)
Felipe The Red Nose Reindeer - Felipe Massa
O Little Town of Monte Carlo - Prince Albert
Let it slow - Narain Karthikeyan
Jolly Old Saint Bernie - The Sponsors
Sergio is coming to town - Sergio Perez
F1 cars roasting on an open fire - Romain Grosjean
Crashin' Around the Christmas Tree - Pastor Maldonado
Bonus track:
Lost Christmas - Wham Ft. Kimi Raikkönen

Loose Wheel Nut

              



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSuperCaravelle From Netherlands, joined Jan 2012, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 5):
Absolutely.
No personal sponsor coming with $$$$$$$$$ = no driver's seat.

              

In that case it is not the driver paying though, but a sponsor. As far as I know there are no drivers paying out of own pockets to drive a F1 car at this moment, although you might consider Chilton, new driver for Marussia, as it's very likely his dad is paying for him.

Many guys wouldn't have a seat without those personal sponsors, but all those guys do need to have at least some speed (except maybe for the now defunct HRT). Maldonado is often the portrait for the ultimate sponsor driver, but he did win a race on merit and showed flashes of brilliance on other occasions.

Someone asked Alonso this year how it felt to be a pay driver (Santander being a sponsor of Ferrari and all). His answer was that he was not a pay driver, but rather a driver paid by both a team and a sponsor.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7615 times:

   2013 F1 Winter testing dates at Jerez and Montmelo   

There will be 3 sessions of 4 days each to test the new season's cars.

5-8 February Jerez
19-22 February Barcelona
28 February - 3 March Barcelona

   2013 F1 Race calendar   

The German round has been moved forward a week to July 7, and an additional date of July 21 has been reserved for another F1 European event, subject to the approval of the relevant national sporting authorities (ASNs).

7/03 Australia
24/03 Malaysia
14/04 China
21/04 Bahrain
12/05 Spain
26/05 Monaco
09/06 Canada
30/06 Great Britain
07/07 Germany
21/07 Reserved for another European event*
28/07 Hungary
25/08 Belgium
08/09 Italy
22/09 Singapore
06/10 Korea
13/10 Japan
27/10 India
03/11 Abu Dhabi
17/11 USA
24/11 Brazil
*subject to the approval of the relevant ASNs

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7565 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Thanks MadameC for the update.

Just one small thing before anyone makes travel plans  

The Australian GP is on 17/3

Cheers



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

First, happy new year to the F1 community of A.net!

Second, I might have the chance to attend the Canadian GP this year, since there is no conflict with the 24 Hours of Le Mans. The only thing that will prevent me from going is the ticket price...



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Graham Hill,

thanks for starting this thread, now I finally joined A-net I intend to post on F1 subjects once in a while.....I am a huge fan, I have been from the Prost days in 1993. Williams used to be my team but after Villeneuve things turned pear-shaped unfortunately. I was a fan of "your son" Damon, 1996.....a great season!

I have a question for the F1 community.........a so-called off season question:

What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?
Some of the bigger teams'models go to museums etc, I know.....I believe all Williams models are still on display in their factory for instance.
But what happens to all the other cars, the large majority......are the 2012 models recycled into the 2013 cars?

I believe Sebastian Vettel is the owner of his 2010, 2011 and 2012 championship car, is that correct?
Courtesy of a certain energy drink......

Thanks for any answers folks,


FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
I have been from the Prost days in 1993. Williams used to be my team but after Villeneuve things turned pear-shaped unfortunately. I was a fan of "your son" Damon, 1996.....a great season!

Welcome. You will notice that some of us are from the same era as yourself. "Those were the days" kind of thing.

I like the way the Lotus boss state that he want drivers, not robots, in this article,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105006



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7206 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?

Certainly Williams, McLaren and I guess others keep an example or two for their museums but complete cars very rarely "escape" the team these days. I know SV grows attached to his cars but as for having the championship cars, I am not sure.
Ferrari are opening a subsidiary here in Australia and part of that is the "loan" of one of Schuey''s Championship cars, it will look like the car and have some suspension and bodywork, it will not have an actual tub, engine or transmission.
There is a historic race in Australia that owns and races 2 x1985 Ferrari 156/85 Turbo F1 cars, as far as I know that is about the most recent F1 cars running in private hands.
There may be others in museums but few any later than that actually run, the shear amount of people, technology and logistics required to merely start a recent F1 engine is beyond most privateers much less the maint and running requirements.



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
thanks for starting this thread, now I finally joined A-net I intend to post on F1 subjects once in a while

Welcome to the forum, FH! I hope you will enjoy the discussion here.

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
I was a fan of "your son" Damon, 1996.....a great season!

Me too . Actually, I was supporting any driver that could beat Schumacher: Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, etc.

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?

As Stealthz said, some stay in the factories (displayed in the "internal" showroom of the factories, like in McLaren) or Ferrari), some go to museums, like the Donington one where you have the impressive McLaren Hall, some go to auction for people like you and me (with more money though!) so they can race them in historic events, etc.

However, I doubt that the cars are "recycled" for the following season.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 21):
There may be others in museums but few any later than that actually run, the shear amount of people, technology and logistics required to merely start a recent F1 engine is beyond most privateers much less the maint and running requirements.

I think Ferrari has a department for customers who bought a Ferrari F1. The car stays in Maranello, so you'll have to go there to drive it, but at least you have customer support.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7163 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?

I always found it interesting how crossing the finish line at the last race of the year turns the most technically advanced racing car into a heap of rubbish that can't be used competitively in any further events!

That said, I have personally seen prior year cars in the following settings:
- Museums - the Sinsheim museum in Germany had a few Ferrari, McLaren, Williams, and Sauber cars.
- Corporate showrooms - the McLaren dealership in Kensington (London), for instance, had a 2008 ex-Hamilton car hanging from a wall this past summer. Although not a showroom, the Ferrari store at the Beverly Center in Beverly Hills had what looked like a 2004-era car on display in 2007 or thereabouts.
- Car shows - my first ever sighting of an F1 car was at the New York Auto Show in 2000...back when Jaguar was racing as a constructor they had one of the 1999 Stewart cars painted in their green colours on display. More recently I've seen both Ferrari and Renault display their older F1 cars as part of their broader vehicle display at shows in Los Angeles and Frankfurt.

Finally, I have occasionally read of teams using last year's car for testing, sometimes using it only to evaluate new/young drivers or to evaluate components that would work in the same fashion in the new car.

Quoting sudden (Reply 20):
I like the way the Lotus boss state that he want drivers, not robots, in this article,

I agree with you. There seems to be a greater push by the larger teams (and sponsors) to polish the appearance of their drivers to the point that they become, by extension, PR representatives of the engine/car manufacturers or sponsors. This year both Vettel and Raikkonen gave us quite a few verbal outbursts that are nearly absent from most other drivers. It's like they are not even allowed to be humans with emotions anymore, just a clog in the machine that talks from time to time.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 22):
Me too . Actually, I was supporting any driver that could beat Schumacher: Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, etc.

Schumi's battles with Hakkinen in particular was something special. Hakkinen was the only driver that Schumi really showed respect. He never pulled any stunts on him like we saw him do with Villeneuve. The famous going-right-in-a-left-corner  

Looks like Mclaren will be first to launch their car on the 31st of January.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2769 posts, RR: 24
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 23):
- Corporate showrooms - the McLaren dealership in Kensington (London), for instance, had a 2008 ex-Hamilton car hanging from a wall this past summer.

It is still there as of last week when I was in London, it had the number 22 on the car.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 23):
the Ferrari store

The one here in Barcelona also has an F1 car as well as the one in Milan (the ones I have been to) not sure if they are the actual cars or replicas, I am more inclined on the latter.

As for the 2013 season, I will try and see if I can pop up to Montmelo during the tests  

MIAspotter.



I think, therefore I don´t fly Ryanair.
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7138 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 23):
the McLaren dealership in Kensington (London), for instance, had a 2008 ex-Hamilton car hanging from a wall this past summer. Although not a showroom, the Ferrari store at the Beverly Center in Beverly Hills had what looked like a 2004-era car on display in 2007 or thereabouts.


The key words are "looked like a 2004-era car" very few, if any of those "showroom" cars have very much of a real F1 car in them apart from some body panels and wheels.
Some teams use previous models for promo drives, Red Bull have raised this to something of an art form, many would have seen the Red Bull RB6 demo on a beach in the Caribbean, driving below the tide line, not much of that RB6 or Renault engine will be used again, similarly the demo at an unfinished and unpaved COTA.



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7176 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 24):

That made me think of this memorable Hakkinen vs Schumacher battle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eE3gCy5zvM


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7169 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 27):
That made me think of this memorable Hakkinen vs Schumacher battle.

Epic!



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7146 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
Williams used to be my team but after Villeneuve things turned pear-shaped unfortunately. I was a fan of "your son" Damon, 1996.....a great season!

As someone who will support Williams through thick and thin ... "used to be"??? I started watching F1 in 1994, saw Williams take three Constructors and two Drivers titles in the mid 1990s, and celebrated every time they took the top step on the podium in the early noughties. Now with Renault engines again, Williams are on their way back to the top where they belong. I have never supported and will never support any F1 team other than Williams.

Drivers come and go, but teams have more longevity. I remember the Hill and Villeneuve years like it was yesterday, and they were both my favourite drivers at some stage, as have other drivers who have never driven for Williams but who have impressed me with their amazing talent: Raikkonen, Hamilton and Vettel are among my favourites today. But while I have favourite drivers, the team comes first. Always.

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
I believe all Williams models are still on display in their factory for instance.

Yes, that's correct. I'd love to go on a Williams museum tour one day  

Slightly off topic, but I thought I'd share this rather hilarious take on Raikkonen's interesting off track excursion in the Brazilian GP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QGCTmTTWlE

 Big grin

[Edited 2013-01-09 07:20:43]


Boeing 777 fanboy
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Did you see that they cancelled the Turkish GP? We now have 19 GPs for 2013.

It would be good if Bernie and the French federation could find an agreement to fill in the gap.

[Edited 2013-01-09 08:00:36]


"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7108 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 22):

Welcome to the forum, FH! I hope you will enjoy the discussion here.

Merci!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 22):

Me too . Actually, I was supporting any driver that could beat Schumacher: Hill, Villeneuve, Hakkinen, etc.

I am with you......shame Coulthard never could!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 22):

I think Ferrari has a department for customers who bought a Ferrari F1. The car stays in Maranello, so you'll have to go there to drive it, but at least you have customer support.

I didn't know this......interesting! I can't imagine how much $$$ would be involved to have your own Ferrari stored at Maranello, never mind flashing it up and actually driving it.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 21):

Certainly Williams, McLaren and I guess others keep an example or two for their museums but complete cars very rarely "escape" the team these days.

Yes, shame! It is relatively cheap to conserve a car in a "non-running" state......isn't it?
Heck, I'd prefer that over most "pieces of art" displayed at certain malls, airports and or roundabouts!
Same for displaying retired aircraft by the way, although that is probably more expensive to clean and maintain.

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 23):

I always found it interesting how crossing the finish line at the last race of the year turns the most technically advanced racing car into a heap of rubbish that can't be used competitively in any further events!

Nicely put!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):

As someone who will support Williams through thick and thin ... "used to be"???

Hmm, sorry to tread on toes.....especially Williams toes!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):
But while I have favourite drivers, the team comes first. Always.

While I applaud your attitude, let me describe my reasoning:

I loved the Camel / Canon / SEGA Williams, as well as the Rothmans years. The model cars are still hanging in my house......
But in 1998 I felt the car just got plain ugly, and they haven't improved it since. Combined with the regrettable colors the drivers have not inspired me, apart from Montoya perhaps. No look, non-inspiring drivers (Ralph, Barffff) and very few results! Sorry, it has tempered my enthusiasm. They managed to win 1 GP last year, with a Latindo driver even.....sorry, although I was happy for him....it did not light the Williams-fire......let's hope that will change.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 29):

Slightly off topic, but I thought I'd share this rather hilarious take on Raikkonen's interesting off track excursion in the Brazilian GP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QGCT...TTWlE

Hilarious, thanks!


FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

This just came on my Twitter

He looks so nice on this picture
http://vimeo.com/54183275

Music is a big part of Lewis Hamilton - but he doesn´t only listen to it, he also sticks into playing the guitar.
Both combined it helps him getting prepared for races. Here´s an intimate look behind the curtain of a Formula 1 World Champion.

He is no more a McLaren Vodafone driver so I wish him the best for his first season with the Mercedes Petronas team.

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinencfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?

We have car auctions at my place of work. We've had a Ferrari of Schumacher, a BAR of Button and my favourite, a McLaren of Senna. The BAR didn't have an engine or gearbox, didn't ask about the other two, too busy dribbling.

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 25):
It is still there as of last week when I was in London, it had the number 22 on the car.

The one in Wilmslow had one last year. I went past last week and it had gone.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 19):
What happens to the "old" cars of the teams?
Some of the bigger teams'models go to museums etc, I know.....I believe all Williams models are still on display in their factory for instance.
But what happens to all the other cars, the large majority......are the 2012 models recycled into the 2013 cars?

It would seem McLaren has a big warehouse of old cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tQCX...=UU8dxVgZl9u5HeCOXnosCtuQ&index=93


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 34):
It would seem McLaren has a big warehouse of old cars.

Holy moses! That's really sweet. Hamilton looked touched by the fact that he was sitting in Senna's car. Who can blame him.
Those cars had little to none technical aid to assist the driver. Pure driving skills back then. Not to say the Hamilton or Jenson are bad drivers, but you get my point.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 35):

Hamilton even mentions that he must have been driving one handed as the gear shifter wasn't steering wheel mounted back then.


I've found another video that might interest you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXbiBdWLoDg


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 36):
I've found another video that might interest you.

I bet another member here will treasure that video. And I can assure you it's not me!



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6889 times:

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 33):
We have car auctions at my place of work. We've had a Ferrari of Schumacher, a BAR of Button and my favourite, a McLaren of Senna. The BAR didn't have an engine or gearbox, didn't ask about the other two, too busy dribbling.

Must be the same Bar I posted earlier on that was sold on ebay.

25.000,00 GBP
31 bids

THIS CAR WAS PURCHASED DIRECT FROM HONDA AND WAS THIER 2003 JENSON BUTTONS SHOW DISPLAY CAR
AND Irtysh-Avia (Kazakhstan)">IT IS WITHOUT ENGINE AND GEARBOX AND CONTROL PEDALS. AND Irtysh-Avia (Kazakhstan)">IT IS COMPLETE WITH ALL CARBON FIBRE BODYWORK INTACT
THE STEERING WHEEL COLUMN RACK AND TRACK RODS ARE ALSO IN PLACE AND WORKING

more:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

I watched the auction so I still have the page. I hope the link is still working.

  

There is one chap on Facebook who sells F1 memorabilia - all kinds from all VVIP drivers.
His latest is a Schumi Mercedes Petronas driving suit from his race in Abu Dhabi in 2012.

He's got lots more. He does not quote prices. He has to be contacted via his FB page.
I will have to find his page and post the link.

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6868 times:

Oye, its been a while - hope all of you are well! I promise to post more this year!

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 36):

Hamilton even mentions that he must have been driving one handed as the gear shifter wasn't steering wheel mounted back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yCsdnUW2Ww

This is the video in question. That car in amazing, and so is the emotion..


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6805 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 39):
This is the video in question. That car in amazing, and so is the emotion..


Great! That car is a time machine, in a way. What a privilege to be able to drive it and be taken back to that era of racing.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6800 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 40):
a time machine

Bring back Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, Gehrard Berger... and the Turbos in Monaco.

The noise was exhilarating!

The 80's and early 90's were fab!

1993 was great... those were the years...

              



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6790 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 41):
The noise was exhilarating!

The 80's and early 90's were fab!

1993 was great... those were the years...


Ah yes, it was 1993 in a park near central Adelaide, a Friday morning in November... Nearby a young father and his son, of obvious Mediterranean heritage.. the first (and only) cars on the track, two scarlet cars in formation blasting down Brabham straight.. 24 cylinders beating the air into submission, echoing through the trees.
The youngster crying out that he didn't like the noise.. dad, responding in a deep latin accent I cannot attempt to do justice to.. "that is not noise.. that is music"
More than 40 years of motor racing behind me and that is one of the more enduring memories!!



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6788 times:

Pedro de la Rosa joins Ferrari. Interesting development to his career.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105129



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6789 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting sudden (Reply 43):
Interesting development to his career.

mmm.. considering his role in the events of 2007 it is indeed interesting.
Karma or payback, undecided on that!!



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6792 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 43):
Pedro de la Rosa joins Ferrari.

This is very good news. Thank you Ferrari..
I always liked the driver and the man also. He is so niiiice!

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6790 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 44):
Karma or payback, undecided on that!!

Indeed! I do however think that Alonso had a finger or 2 in this regarding bringing Pedro onboard.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6777 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 46):
I do however think that Alonso had a finger or 2 in this regarding bringing Pedro onboard.

It could be - probably some influence on Stefano for sure - but Pedro isn't just any driver. He has a history behind him as a F1 driver, and also as a test driver. He will be a good asset to Ferrari.

Alonso will have to go at some point. Pedro might end up being there much longer than him.

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 47):
Alonso will have to go at some point. Pedro might end up being there much longer than him.

They will never hire Pedro as their driver. He is simply not talented enough. Might be a good developer, but he's not fast enough.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 48):
They will never hire Pedro as their driver.

It would never come to my mind that Ferrari would hire Pedro as a driver. He is too old anyway.
He can be at Ferrari a long while as a developer maybe take in the seat as a co-test pilot too.

Glad Stefano Domenicali grabbed him while HRT folded and he was available. Now he is in the right place.

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6713 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 49):
Now he is in the right place.

Check the history on that.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 6567 times:

Happy birthday Jenson Button!

        



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 6572 times:

This is Sebastian Vettel with one of his fabled helmets driving a proper car for a commercial

Pictures
https://twitter.com/PFF1/status/292670459600838657/photo/1

Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AsZ-36P3pE

The car is a Nissan GTR

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 5
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 6570 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 34):

It would seem McLaren has a big warehouse of old cars.

There was an article in Car magazine about this warehouse last year, the writer was pretty much blindfolded as the location is top secret. Since Ron took over McLaren haven't sold a single car, they keep them all, the championship winners and other significant cars are displayed at the McLaren Technology Centre in Woking. Other cars have been brought out of storage to be used as display vehicles in McLaren showrooms around the world. The also have a 911 in storage which was used as the development car for the TAG Porsche V6, that must be one hell of a scary 911.

If you want to buy an F1 car here's the place to get it http://www.f1-sales.com/stock.htm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 41):
Gehrard Berger... and the Turbos in Monaco.
The noise was exhilarating!

Berger was probably the luckiest guy in F1 he had no talent yet managed to keep a drive for a hell of a long time, also the turbo era cars were pretty quiet compared to today's cars, the turbo acted as a pretty decent sound suppressor.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 6555 times:

F1: what a driver sees on board.

HD Extreme Real F1 Driver Point of View - 2013 - Lucas di Grassi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7-oG5dOlp7M#!

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 55, posted (1 year 8 months 2 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 51):
Happy birthday Jenson Button!


McLaren Epic Fail

Ha Ha Ha

Red faces at McLaren after Button's birthday greeting features picture of Hamilton

McLaren were left red-faced on Saturday after celebrating Jenson Button's birthday by posting a picture of his former team-mate Lewis Hamilton.

The clanger, which was displayed on the team's official Facebook, page read: 'Wishing Jenson Button a Happy Birthday from all of the team, have a good one JB', accompanied with a picture of Hamilton at last year's Singapore Grand Prix.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...atures-picture-Lewis-Hamilton.html

              

[Edited 2013-01-20 01:58:42]


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

GLOCK SHOCK.

There is a strong rumour going around that Timo Glock will announce he's leaving Marussia tomorrow. Possibly heading to the DTM series.

 Wow!

Glock: "I have the Marussia F1 Team to experience three great years. . We part in friendship "About his future may not manifest itself Glock:" I want to make myself new challenges and continue my journey in motorsports. " -

http://sportbild.bild.de/SPORT/forme...marussia-gehen-getrennte-wege.html

Wishing him all the best. From what I have seen of him in Monaco he seems to be a very nice no-fluff driver.

 arrow   airplane 

[Edited 2013-01-20 12:43:08]


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6368 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 45):
Thank you Ferrari

Should be, "thank you santander"

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 45):
He is so niiiice!

nice and slow  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6356 times:

2013 F1 season

Marussia have confirmed Timo Glock will not drive for them this year.

The team issued a statement saying the decision was reached “by mutual consent”.

Glock was originally contracted to drive for them during the 2013 season. Team principal John Booth indicated the team had to let him go to take on a paying driver:

read more:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/01/2...marussia-confirm-glocks-departure/

I too wish him all the best for his future.

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

I heard a rumor that Williams will NOT have the car ready for the 1st test of the season.
Not a good sign.....I guess.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 34):

It would seem McLaren has a big warehouse of old cars.

Great video! Thanks!

Quoting sudden (Reply 35):
Hamilton looked touched

Yes. I would be too! Not so much by Senna's car but by the whole warehouse content!
I liked both their comments about "our" car not being great for drifting etc, somehow they didn't seem to happy with their Mclaren in 2012.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 53):

There was an article in Car magazine about this warehouse last year, the writer was pretty much blindfolded as the location is top secret.

How on earth can you keep a place like that a secret location? Well secure and guarded, sure.....but a secret location?
Big trucks with high profile equipment driving to and from there........nobody ever notices that? Nobody from the automotive press ever follows the movements around (to and from) the factory?
The municipality of wherever that warehouse is in the UK.....the local authorities, the firebrigade......plenty of people must know what's in there.....I'd guess.
And what about the truck drivers, forklift operators, cleaners, security personnel etc etc.

I'm not saying it can't be done.......I'm just curious how!

FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 6245 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 59):
I heard a rumor that Williams will NOT have the car ready for the 1st test of the season.

Correct, but I don't see it as much of a setback. The FW35 will be launched on 19 February, so there's nearly a month between launch and first race.

We'll see if it impacts on their performance in the first few races. I'm hoping the car will be quick out of the box.



Boeing 777 fanboy
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 60):
Correct, but I don't see it as much of a setback

Wont be an issue. They will run a hybrid from last years car.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6153 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 59):
Big trucks with high profile equipment driving to and from there........nobody ever notices that?

Happens all the time, considering that McLaren send cars to show centers, demo events, wind tunnels, test tracks etc etc etc - plenty of movements to hide shipping a vehicle in.

Also consider that they aren't going to ship them with a big "McLaren Car Movers - You Cars Are In Safe Hands With Us" on the side, its going to be an unmarked truck. Mix that in with the movements of suppliers coming and going to the McLaren factory, and you have a wide window of opportunity...

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 59):
Nobody from the automotive press ever follows the movements around (to and from) the factory?

Which truck do they follow? Considering these sorts of shipments would only happen a few times a year at best, the sheer number of other shipments they can hide them in makes it difficult for anyone to follow the right vehicle.

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 59):
The municipality of wherever that warehouse is in the UK.....the local authorities, the firebrigade

The local authorities don't need to be notified of exactly what is being stored - they will know that its an automotive storage facility, but they won't have "former F1 cars stored here" written on any application. Bear in mind that there are loads of automotive storage facilities around, plenty of second hand cars stored in warehouses etc.

The fire brigade also won't know any more than the above, as its unlikely the cars would be stored with full tanks etc. Nothing immediately hazardous that requires you to inform the local emergency services of a possible issue.

The insurance company would know, but they have strict procedures around high value items so its unlikely to leak from there for obvious reasons.

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 59):
And what about the truck drivers, forklift operators, cleaners, security personnel etc etc.

Those are under threat of having their jobs taken from them  


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6133 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 57):
nice and slow

Yes, but he's nice so that compensates.  



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 63):
Yes, but he's nice so that compensates.

Try getting hired by a top 10 F1 team and prove you can do better times than Pedro (or Timo Glock) on all the WDC racing tracks during a whole season and then I will hear you.

Article:
Differences between paying driver and paid driver.

The price drivers pay to try and remain competitive
With the talents of Timo Glock and Heikki Kovalainen out for this upcoming season, the 'deserving driver' debate heats up.

January 23rd, 2013 (F1plus / Paul Godley).- Couple of days has pased since Timo Glock joined what appears to be an ever increasing list of quality drivers that are being pushed out of Formula 1's revolving door because of seemingly one thing; money. Both Glock and Heikki Kovalainen, formally of Caterham, were paid drivers as opposed to paying drivers. With their respective teams, Marussia and Caterham, battling over 10th place in the Constructors championship, you'd think that talent may just edge money given the significant prize on offer for finishing inside the top 10.

read more:
http://www.f1plus.com/en/news/item/2...-competitive?ModPagespeed=noscript

   



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineRockson From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

This year I'm going to the Spanish GP for the fourth time. I'm thinking of grandstand F, but i'm a bit worried about the lack of TV screens in front of it. Has anyone of you ever been to grandstand F at Circuit de Catalunya? How is it?  

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

Quoting Rockson (Reply 65):
This year I'm going to the Spanish GP for the fourth time.

.

Good for you. I am sure you will have a great time.

I am booked (confirmed) for Monaco for the ump-th time. Monaco is the ultimate F1 GP. I know the place with my eyes closed and all the secret corners in town. Monaco is definitely my most favourite F1 playground.

Monza is high on my list too for 2013. Another most familiar place that feels like home.

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6073 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 60):
The FW35 will be launched on 19 February, so there's nearly a month between launch and first race.


Hardly relevant, the car that is "launched" rarely bares more than a passing similarity to the car that makes it to race day(or even testing), they often have more in common with the "shopping mall/motor show" mock ups.

In years past teams have been known to launch "last years" car with new sponsor livery.



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6064 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting moo (Reply 62):
Those are under threat of having their jobs taken from them

Who says they know? Not every car is pushed directly into a truck.

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 59):
Big trucks with high profile equipment driving to and from there........nobody ever notices that? Nobody from the automotive press ever follows the movements around (to and from) the factory?

How often do you think McLaren sends a car to storage? Three, four times a year, perhaps. Besides, they're far more likely to call on a specialized car transporter using a fully enclosed, somewhat anonymous trailer. Follow one and you may indeed find McLaren's secret lair, or you may end up at a high-security warehouse at LHR where an MP4-12C is being dropped off on its way to a customer in the Middle East.

Team branded car transporters are for race cars and the equipment that comes with them, not to move a former race car that isn't going to be started from one location to another.



I've got $h*t to do
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 64):
With the talents of Timo Glock

Talent!? Care to elaborate on that one? If Glock is such a talent, why is he then without a drive for this season, and coming ones if you ask me.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 5
Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6029 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 66):
Monaco is the ultimate F1 GP.

Maybe as a glamorous event but as an actual race the cars outgrew Monaco decades ago, the only thing that keeps it above some of the crap Asian and Middle Eastern GP's is they have a passionate crowd.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 71, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6027 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 59):
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 53):

There was an article in Car magazine about this warehouse last year, the writer was pretty much blindfolded as the location is top secret.

How on earth can you keep a place like that a secret location? Well secure and guarded, sure.....but a secret location?
Big trucks with high profile equipment driving to and from there........nobody ever notices that? Nobody from the automotive press ever follows the movements around (to and from) the factory?
The municipality of wherever that warehouse is in the UK.....the local authorities, the firebrigade......plenty of people must know what's in there.....I'd guess.
And what about the truck drivers, forklift operators, cleaners, security personnel etc etc.

I'm not saying it can't be done.......I'm just curious how!

I'm sure most journalists have better things to do than sit outside of MTC waiting for trucks to come out. The road past MTC is actually pretty busy (I know I ran across it once to get my photo taken with the big McLaren sign out front). So waiting for a truck to come out isn't really practical. And with all the construction of MPC that was going on lately there were plenty of trucks coming and going.

My guess is that the cars are stored at the Woking Business Park where the McLaren factory was located before moving to MTC and where McLaren is still a major tennant.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 64):
Try getting hired by a top 10 F1 team and prove you can do better times than Pedro (or Timo Glock) on all the WDC racing tracks during a whole season and then I will hear you.

Well there are more teams in the top 10 then out of it so it should be pretty easy.

Quoting sudden (Reply 69):
Talent!? Care to elaborate on that one? If Glock is such a talent, why is he then without a drive for this season, and coming ones if you ask me.

Not to mention, he actually had a contract with Marussia for next season already.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 72, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 71):
Not to mention, he actually had a contract with Marussia for next season already.

court ajourned!



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 73, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6018 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Ross Brawn on the outer at Mercedes??

More and more coverage appearing about the possible replacement of Ross Brawn by McLaren's Paddy Lowe.

Not sure how that can be good for the team at least in the short term, I agree RB has not had the success he anticipated(and likely sold) since Mercedes bought the team. I would expect Lowe would have to sit out the usual "gardeing leave" before joining Merc and would RB hang around for that period... not sure A/ If he would(don't think he needs the money) and B/ if he did how effective would he be??

Maybe there is more afoot at Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1, the arrival of Toto Wolff as CEO (And shareholder) might be the beginning of Daimler distancing itself from F1 although doing this without losing a lot of corporate face will be a challenge.

I am a firm believer that a Formula 1 team is a strange beast and one not easily tamed by corporate board rooms, Mercedes F1 is a classic example.. as Honda F1 their performance was lacklustre, Brawn & Fry took over and decisions were made in the workshop and pit garage, results speak for themselves. Mercedes takes over, whether it is a protracted and cumbersome corporate decision process or just having to attend meetings and presentations, the focus seems drift away from the actual business of racing.

Not sure this bodes well for Hamilton's change of team.

*** A side note but Mercedes "unofficial" foray into Australian Super V8's seems in even more disarray.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 71):
Not to mention, he actually had a contract with Marussia for next season already.

Yes he did and he does have a degree of talent but a team desperate for funds will favour $$$ over talent, it is sad but it has always been thus!



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 74, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 73):
Maybe there is more afoot at Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1, the arrival of Toto Wolff as CEO (And shareholder) might be the beginning of Daimler distancing itself from F1 although doing this without losing a lot of corporate face will be a challenge.

Also that an incon, Mr Haug left, indicates that you might be on to something.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 73):
I am a firm believer that a Formula 1 team is a strange beast and one not easily tamed by corporate board rooms, Mercedes F1 is a classic example.. as Honda F1 their performance was lacklustre, Brawn & Fry took over and decisions were made in the workshop and pit garage, results speak for themselves. Mercedes takes over, whether it is a protracted and cumbersome corporate decision process or just having to attend meetings and presentations, the focus seems drift away from the actual business of racing.

The boards of manufacturers don't seem to get that F1 teams are best given their pot of money each year and left alone to run themselves. Mercedes problem is they keep recruiting managers. I can't see what Paddy Lowe could do that Ross Brawn can't. Though, I'm not sure what it is that Nick Fry does these days.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 76, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6011 times:

Ferrari 2013 car reveal advert:

http://i.pgu.me/azedhbk6_original.jpg

McLaren 2012 car reveal advert:

http://lolwtf.com.au/F1/copy_2.jpg

Notice anything ... similar?


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 77, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6023 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting moo (Reply 76):
Notice anything ... similar?

So depite the protestations of the "Spygate" tifosi it seems the Scuderia is reading from someone elses playbook to this day!



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 78, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6023 times:

Online launch of the Lotus on the 28th.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105251



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6012 times:

Another move made as Wolff leave Williams to join Merc.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2013/1/14201.html

Sorry, just saw that this was covered above.

[Edited 2013-01-24 04:45:43]


When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6002 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting sudden (Reply 79):
Another move made as Wolff leave Williams to join Merc.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin....html

The linked article will not allow copying or pasting, to add to my earlier comments Wolff is also a shareholder in HWA AG which is the racing arm of AMG retained by the founder(whose initials it retains) when Mercedes took over AMG in 1999.

Not sure how long before MB bail out of F1 as a constructor but doubt many of us will grow much greyer before they do!

Quoting moo (Reply 76):
McLaren 2012 car reveal advert:

Was the 2011 reveal to be totally accurate!

[Edited 2013-01-24 05:52:41]


If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5997 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 73):
Ross Brawn on the outer at Mercedes??
Quoting sudden (Reply 79):
Another move made as Wolff leave Williams to join Merc.

A flurry of articles on this came up in the German press/media this morning.

Wolff hofft bei Mercedes auf den "Trainer-Effekt"
http://www.formel1.de/de/3260/Wolff+...22Trainer-Effekt%22/newsID/1680435

Wer macht was? Wolff bringt Licht in Kompetenz-Wirrwarr
http://www.formel1.de/de/3260/Wer+ma...+Kompetenz-Wirrwarr/newsID/1680436

Wolff: "Meine Hauptbasis wird Brackley sein"
http://www.formel1.de/de/3260/Wolff%...rd+Brackley+sein%22/newsID/1680437

Sind Brawns Tage bei Mercedes gezählt?
http://www.formel1.de/de/3260/Sind+B...des+gez%C3%A4hlt%3F/newsID/1680434

"Hammer" – Mercedes wirbt McLarens Superhirn ab
Star-Ingenieur Paddy Lowe folgt Lewis Hamilton zu Mercedes.
http://www.welt.de/sport/formel1/art...s-wirbt-McLarens-Superhirn-ab.html

Mercedes verstärkt sich weiter personell
http://www.rtl.de/cms/sport/formel-1...rsonell-2aea7-3604-21-1390856.html

Mercedes: Jetzt auch Teamchef Brawn vor dem Aus
http://www.rtl.de/cms/sport/formel-1...dem-aus-2af22-3604-26-1391838.html

4 days until we see our first 2013 car!

        

[Edited 2013-01-24 05:36:34]


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5973 times:

Timo Glock and Robert Kubica test DTM cars


Ex-F1 stars test DTM cars
By Tom Bellingham on 24 January 2013 in F1

Robert Kubica and Timo Glock both took part in private test sessions in German touring car machines
...
Glock wasn’t the only former F1 driver to take part in a DTM test this week. Robert Kubica returned to the track, two years after his horrific rally crash that almost saw the Polish driver lose his life.

read more - with pictures
http://www.redbull.com/en/motorsport...80728971/ex-f1-stars-test-dtm-cars

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5935 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Interestingly, it seems Marussia have released(fired) Timo Glock on "commercial grounds" without having a cashed up enough replacement in hand... sucks to be them if no wanna be, no name can't come up with the cash.. Marussia are not the only team on the hunt for rich dilettantes!


If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 83):
Marussia are not the only team on the hunt for rich dilettantes!

Not all drivers can get huge $$$$ sponsorships from big names such as Carlos Slim Helu Chairman & CEO of Telmex and PDVSA Venezuela's State Oil Company via Hugo Chavez.

 Wow!   



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 62):

Happens all the time, considering that McLaren send cars to show centers, demo events, wind tunnels, test tracks etc etc etc - plenty of movements to hide shipping a vehicle in.

Fair enough......point taken.

Quoting moo (Reply 62):
Also consider that they aren't going to ship them with a big "McLaren Car Movers - You Cars Are In Safe Hands With Us" on the side, its going to be an unmarked truck.

Yes, I gathered that much.

Quoting moo (Reply 62):

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 59):
And what about the truck drivers, forklift operators, cleaners, security personnel etc etc.

Those are under threat of having their jobs taken from them

That argument I don't buy so much. Surely some people are unhappy about their job, perhaps they quit or they were sacked and still hold a grudge.
What about people bragging in the pub after a few tootsies........

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 68):

How often do you think McLaren sends a car to storage? Three, four times a year, perhaps. Besides, they're far more likely to call on a specialized car transporter using a fully enclosed, somewhat anonymous trailer. Follow one and you may indeed find McLaren's secret lair, or you may end up at a high-security warehouse at LHR where an MP4-12C is being dropped off on its way to a customer in the Middle East.

Fair enough......I guess I had underestimated the amount of trucks leaving the McLaren Mercedes factory.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 71):

My guess is that the cars are stored at the Woking Business Park where the McLaren factory was located before moving to MTC and where McLaren is still a major tennant.

Good guess, as good as any......surely that can be confirmed by a larger entity if they put their mind to it?
Blindfolding journalists? Strange practice....
Why not keep it in a highly secure building, full stop? Why all the secrecy surrounding this, no doubt; highly secure building?

Just curious people, not trying to be facetious! I loved that video and it kind of got me thinking about what an amount of history is stored on these "shelves". I have been to some famous museums during my trips overseas, but that warehouse would beat the Louvre, Prado or Tate Modern any day of the week in my books!

Cheers,

FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 85):
That argument I don't buy so much. Surely some people are unhappy about their job, perhaps they quit or they were sacked and still hold a grudge.
What about people bragging in the pub after a few tootsies........

NDA's can be veeeeeeeery powerful.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 5
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5821 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 85):
Good guess, as good as any......surely that can be confirmed by a larger entity if they put their mind to it?
Blindfolding journalists? Strange practice....

Very few people know the location, hence the reason for it being called a secret location, get it over it already.


User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5813 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 86):

NDA's can be veeeeeeeery powerful.

I wouldn't know, I have never dealt with one.
I guess you are right.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 87):

get it over it already.

I am not sure what "get it over it already" means, but I assume you dislike my questions on how you keep a location like that secret. Here I was thinking that this was a thread on discussing F1 in the off season, and that the topic of moving cars to and from storage would qualify for such a thread.
There's 2 ways we can solve this Robbie:

1) From now on I will have every post pre-screened by you.

Or:

2) I keep posting relevant stuff in the A-net threads, and you learn to read past posts that are not interesting to you, and just reply to the stuff that tickles your fancy.

I got some interesting answers above, in fact I learned some things from others....and thus I am strongly considering posting stuff with or without your approval.
Yes, I propose solution #2 for you.

Have a great day!

FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5783 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 85):
Why not keep it in a highly secure building, full stop? Why all the secrecy surrounding this, no doubt; highly secure building?

Two reasons:
a) security-in-depth;
b) one or two would-be wrong doers are much easier to spot when they're checking out a secret location than when they're hiding in a crowd of fifty gawking at a public building.



I've got $h*t to do
User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 83):
Marussia are not the only team on the hunt for rich dilettantes!

true
McLaren signed Sergio and we'll see what sponsor names are on the car this year..

not a good tend imo


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

Lotus launch tonight at 9 pm CET tonight. If you want to see it you can use this link...
http://www.youtube.com/lotusf1team

By the way, watch the link now already  

[Edited 2013-01-28 07:08:58]

[Edited 2013-01-28 07:13:01]


When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 91):
Lotus launch tonight at 9 pm CET

With Grosjean at the wheel, the E21 will mostly be a collection of rapidly dissasembling pieces of carbon fibre.

           



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5668 times:

The first pictures of the E21:

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17330.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17329.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17328.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17327.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17326.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17325.jpg



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5660 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 93):
The first pictures of the E21:

I watched the livecast on You flube. Kimi did not seem over-enthusiastic.

Those fugly red patches.

As for the car let's wait til testing and see how it will perform.
The same with every other car that will be presented.
The looks are not all.

 



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

That's quite a front wing. I'm still annoyed by the step in the nose. I would have thought more teams would have adopted the McLaren nose. Hope others are better.

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 94):
Kimi did not seem over-enthusiastic

This is Kimi's face when he wins a GP:



So imagine Kimi during a press conference where he must answer questions... 



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 95):
I would have thought more teams would have adopted the McLaren nose. Hope others are better.

Apparently, the teams agreed that they would try to cover that ugly nose with a modesty panel, but the guys at Enstone said that it was adding few extra grams and that for the moment it was not worth it. If it gives more downforce to the car, they will add one, though. We'll have to wait for the winter tests.

More here: http://en.espnf1.com/lotusf1/motorsport/story/99401.html



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5623 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 93):
The first pictures of the E21:

Thanks for that. I guess the stepped noses are here to stay. At least Lotus' nose doesn't look too bad, as it blends in well with the monocoque.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 94):
Kimi did not seem over-enthusiastic.

He's just being himself  



Boeing 777 fanboy
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5606 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 98):
He's just being himself

By all means. Don't care how he look anyway. He proved last season that he is here to drive, not talk.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Are HRT about to come back to F1 as Scorpion?

 

HRT to live again as Scorpion Racing emerge?
The Spanish team folded at the end of 2012, but there are positive signs -or speculation- of a possible assets takeover.

January 29th, 2013 (F1plus / Matt Somerfield).- Autosport today have ran a story regarding an entity called Scorpion Racing looking to buy the remains of the HRT team. Looking back through the 3 years the team had spent in F1, HRT epitomized an F1 backmarker's story more or less there to make up the numbers, however unlike the teams taking up this role before them they survived much longer than their predecessors.

http://www.f1plus.com/en/news/item/2...acing-emerge?ModPagespeed=noscript

Scorpion?

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5493 times:

Mclaren launch today at 11 am (I take it's UK time)
Live feed here,
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8dx...9u5HeCOXnosCtuQ?sub_confirmation=1



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 93):
The first pictures of the E21:

These are pictures of Kimi's car.

  


http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/Divers/grosjeancommandcar_zps425951ec.jpg

This is Grosjean's.

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5504 times:

No major changes of the Mclaren, at first glance.

[Edited 2013-01-31 03:33:18]


When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 104, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 101):
Mclaren launch today at 11 am (I take it's UK time)

And the pics:

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17338.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17339.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17340.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17341.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17344.jpg

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 102):
This is Grosjean's.

  



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 105, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5409 times:

Ferrari's challenger has been launched. Glad to see that they left the duck nose behind.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105354

Also FI changed the nose on their car,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105357

[Edited 2013-02-01 03:04:57]


When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

van der Garde gets Caterham drive. As a "hybrid" Dutch person this is cool news.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105365



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 107, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

Quote:
Giedo Van der Garde has won the battle for the second race seat at Caterham for 2013, the team confirmed on Friday.

Translate "Van der Garde was the one who could bring the most money to Catherham, the team confirmed on Friday".

That said, congratulations to him!



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 108, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 107):
Translate "Van der Garde was the one who could bring the most money to Catherham, the team confirmed on Friday".


LOL! Was indeed what happened.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 109, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 107):
Translate "Van der Garde was the one who could bring the most money to Catherham, the team confirmed on Friday".

I was going to say
The one who comes with the most money wins the seat. Does not matter what else they bring as long as they come with the big bucks.

  

I saw the Ferrari. I think it looks great.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Formula1/01-0...ivincita-rossa--914091823602.shtml

Alonso will not be there for the first test run.

Montezemolo: Ferrari it's time to win.Alonso: a place among the best.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Formula1/01-0...-posto-migliori-914094009749.shtml

The new F138 looks promising.
Let's see how it will perform.

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 110, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5282 times:

Be the first to see RB9




        



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 111, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5248 times:

More seriously... I watched the unveiling of the RB9 NeweyBull on Youflube. Nice looking car, possibly another constructors title contender this season.

We will have to see if the Newey cosmic purple technology makes it another winner.

  

Red Bull releases the RB9
Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel unveiled the title contender machine at Milton-Keynes.

February 3rd, 2013 (F1plus Team).- The Milton-Keynes based team of Red Bull Racing used You ube this Sunday afternoon to reveal to the world of racing its 2013 Formula 1 season car, the RB9.

Similarities with Lotus go beyond relying on YouTube to spread the word, but by neglecting the use of the “vanity panel” to cover the stepped nose.

Both drivers, Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel, were present to lift the car cover with which they aim to bring a four championship for the team.

read more:
http://www.f1plus.com/en/news/item/2...ases-the-rb9?ModPagespeed=noscript

     

[Edited 2013-02-03 07:50:04]


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 5
Reply 112, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5229 times:

The Sauber C32 is a stunning looking beastie.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=814604&stc=1&d=1359821051

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=814605&stc=1&d=1359821051

http://www.e90post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=814606&stc=1&d=1359821051


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 113, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5186 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 112):
The Sauber C32 is a stunning looking beastie.

I sure second that!



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 114, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5187 times:

Interesting that few 2013 cars thus far have stuck with the obvious duck nose - most either seem to have raised the nose edges to hide it, or flat out adopted McLarens nose style.

Mercs new car should be interesting.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 115, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5174 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 112):
The Sauber C32 is a stunning looking beastie.

The looks aren't all. Let's see how the car will perform and what the drivers can do with it.

 

As the new Silver Arrow, the MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS F1 W04, completes its first laps this morning at the Jerez circuit in Spain, the team is delighted to announce a significant new partnership agreement with BlackBerry (NASDAQ: RIMM, TSX: RIM).

Latest pictures and information on the new Mercedes AM Petronas W04

http://www.mercedes-amg-f1.com/

Fugly car in my opinion but again let's see what Nico the Rosberg and Shamilton can do with it.
The looks arn't all.

       

My bets are on Ferrari and Red Bull in 2013 with Jenson Button on their tail.
Wait and see. We will find out soon enough.

              



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 115):
The looks aren't all.

I am sure he knows this just as most of us. A car can still be good looking, and the paint cheme on the Sauber is brilliant.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 117, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Alright, so far we have:

28th January - Lotus Renault

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17327.jpg


31st January - McLaren Mercedes

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17341.jpg


1st February - Ferrari

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17351.jpg


1st February - Force India Mercedes

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17357.jpg


2nd February - Sauber Ferrari

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17366.jpg


3rd February - Red Bull Renault

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17300/17385.jpg


4th February - Mercedes

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17411.jpg


What's left:

Toro Rosso Ferrari: 4th February
Marussia Cosworth: 5th February
Catheram Renault: 5th February
Williams Renault: 19th February



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 118, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 117):
What's left:

Toro Rosso Ferrari: 4th February
Marussia Cosworth: 5th February
Catheram Renault: 5th February
Williams Renault: 19th February

Good job doing the recap. Thank you.

I still prefer the first RB9. It looks more RedBull-ish.

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 115):

The looks aren't all.

You don't say......

Quoting sudden (Reply 116):

I am sure he knows this just as most of us. A car can still be good looking, and the paint cheme on the Sauber is brilliant.

Well spoken!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 117):


1st February - Ferrari

I don't care for that black line at the bottom!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 117):

31st January - McLaren Mercedes

Sweet, as always!

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 117):

3rd February - Red Bull Renault

Nice.
I have a suggestion for the nickname Vettel is about to give it--> Sexy Sadie!


FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 120, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Finally the madness has commenced!

First test session,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105417



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 121, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 120):
Finally the madness has commenced!

with Nico the Rosberg W04 in flames and a McLaren breakdown.

The reports are for the first 4 hours. There is still a long way to go.

Caterham has picked a fugly green and yellow colour combination for their 2013 horse.
http://en.espnf1.com/caterham/motorsport/story/99999.html

The Marussia looks like they found no sponsors
http://en.espnf1.com/marussia/motorsport/story/99991.html

hmmm

   



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

The new Marussia:

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17438.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17437.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17435.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17433.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17432.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17429.jpg



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 123, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

The new Catheram:

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17436.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17440.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17434.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17448.jpg



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 124, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

Thank you for posting the pictures

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 123):
The new Catheram:

The Airbus on Wheels does not look convincing.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 122):
The new Marussia:

and best of luck to them too.

        

Toro Rosso (Red Bull in Italian) trying to switch to Renault engines.

http://en.espnf1.com/tororosso/motorsport/story/100054.html

    



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 125, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 124):
The Airbus on Wheels does not look convincing.

It's actually full of aviation sponsors: General Electrics, Airbus and Safran. If only they were sponsoring Red Bull...



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 126, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 125):
It's actually full of aviation sponsors: General Electrics, Airbus and Safran. If only they were sponsoring Red Bull...

I noticed Safran.

I would rather Airbus sponsoring Ferrari

Red Bull have got Mateschitz. The multi-Billionaire is one of the world's richest individuals.
He could buy himself an Airbus or three at the snap of a finger and more than that even. Anything he wants.

http://www.austriantimes.at/?c=8&id=82

                       



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 127, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 126):
I would rather Airbus sponsoring Ferrari

Red Bull have got Mateschitz.

It was just a bad joke  

I forgot to add pictures of the new Toro Rosso:

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17421.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17420.jpg

http://en.espnf1.com/PICTURES/CMS/17400/17425.jpg

So now, only Williams is missing!



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 128, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Interesting, unusual entertaining video from NeweyBull

RB9 RHYTHM OF THE FACTORY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t6cxIeCIjE&feature=youtu.be

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 128):
Interesting

dog rings!!
oh the memory's

i can almost smell the used oil!!


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 130, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 125):
If only they were sponsoring Red Bull...

They don't need any help from the aviation industry. Red Bull gives you wings, I heard.

I wonder how much money this guy brought to land a seat with Marussia,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105438

[Edited 2013-02-05 23:23:27]


When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 131, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

Shamilton just crashed his brand new Mercedes!

  

After the flames... now comes the crash.

A promising debut.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21344814

What next?

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4989 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 126):
I would rather Airbus sponsoring Ferrari

Airbus already have a fernando alonso they surely don't need another?

Fred


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 133, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 133):

Airbus already have a fernando alonso they surely don't need another?

Airbus are very rich. They can afford to have the two of them. The flying test pilot Fernando Alonso AND the driving pilot Fernando Alonso for as long as they don't reverse them and put one and the other in the wrong seat.

        



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 134, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 135):

I wonder how long until we hear about Schumacher doping scandal like another seven times champion. Hang on, we've been talking about it for the past theree years. He was a dope for making a comeback!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 132):
Shamilton

This kind of thing is just childish. I pyne for the days that these threads actually contained constructive conversation.

[Edited 2013-02-06 04:09:31]

User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 135, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 135):
This kind of thing is just childish. I pyne for the days that these threads actually contained constructive conversation.

Well, that might take time looking at posts provided by some.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 136, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 132):
After the flames... now comes the crash.

A promising debut.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula...44814

A covered car on the back of a flatbed!? You wanted us to see what?



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 137, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Lewis Hamilton's Crash Video - 2013 Jerez Formula One Tests

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waLwFmZIlt4&feature=youtu.be

EPIC FAIL

  

Bring back Schumi!!!

                       



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 139):
EPIC FAIL

reports say the car lost rear brakes due to a brake line breaking ..


User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9031 posts, RR: 75
Reply 139, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4832 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
HEAD MODERATOR

Guys,

as you might have recognized several posts got deleted from this thread.

Behave, post in a proper way, be respecftul to other users or we will lock this thread and do not allow a new thread about F1 until the new season starts!

Thanks.

wilco737
  



It it's not Boeing, I am not going.
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 140, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4818 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 141):
be respecftul to other users

With Wilco737 on this!
It is about F1 not petty bickering

Back to what matters, Mark Webber says RedBull is in better shape than this time last year.. must send a shiver up the spine of most other teams ,,, Christian Horner says "No car will dominate"... guess what we see on November 24 wil be somewhere between those views.
Whilst not a huge fan .. tend to think there will be an Infiniti emblazoned sidepod on the WCC(and likely WDC) car at Interlagos in November



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

Vettel completed 105 laps today, and he seems to like his RB9.
Competition....be forewarned!

fh



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 142, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4703 times:

2013 Formula 1 Doom!

  

A Ferrari in flames at Jerez

http://www.tuttosport.com/formula1/f...rari+in+fiamme,+De+La+Rosa+nei+box

Burn baby Burn

 Wow!



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 143, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

McLaren news
Whitmarsh concerned by pay drivers

Martin Whitmarsh has warned that there are too many pay drivers in Formula One at the moment and that drivers remaining in junior categories for long periods of time are clogging up the system.

A number of teams have employed drivers with financial backing behind them as budgets remain tight towards the back of the grid. Whitmarsh believes the current situation means there are drivers coming in to the sport who are not up to the job, while more talented but less well funded drivers miss out.

read more.
http://en.espnf1.com/mclaren/motorsport/story/100576.html


I agree with Martin Whitmarsh.
The ones who bring in the mot money from sponsors get the seats.

    



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 144, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Lots of buttons... but what do they do?

The Insanely Complicated F1 Steering Wheel

A modern F1 car is the most technologically sophisticated race car on the planet, so naturally it’s got an equally complex steering wheel that jammed with enough switches and dials to make an airline pilot cross-eyed. Here’s a breakdown of the controls F1 drivers constantly adjust—while battling other cars at 200 mph.

find out more here:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars...nely-complicated-f1-steering-wheel

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 145, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4548 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

While we're on the subject of F1 steering wheels, Lotus has released a photo of Kimi Raikkonen's steering wheel for 2013:

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/ay_1024925401.jpg

  

Good to see the guys at Lotus have a sense of humour!



Boeing 777 fanboy
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7365 posts, RR: 5
Reply 146, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 144):

A modern F1 car is the most technologically sophisticated race car on the planet,

It's not and hasn't been for a while, WRC cars are far more high tech, the previous generation of DTM cars were also more advanced, F1 cars are (aero apart) not as complex as you think. I'd also say an LMP1 car would have it all over any F1 car when it comes to technical sophistication.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 147, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 130):
They don't need any help from the aviation industry. Red Bull gives you wings, I heard.

That was my bad joke 
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 145):
While we're on the subject of F1 steering wheels, Lotus has released a photo of Kimi Raikkonen's steering wheel for 2013:

Where is the vodka button?   



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

The "rhythm" of building the 2013 World Championship car......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t6cxIeCIjE&feature=share


FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 149, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Quoting TheSultanOfWing (Reply 148):
The "rhythm" of building the 2013 World Championship car......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t6cxIeCIjE&feature=share

already posted

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 128):
Interesting, unusual entertaining video from NeweyBull

RB9 RHYTHM OF THE FACTORY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t6cxIeCIjE&feature=youtu.be

    Wow!



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 150, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Not sure if there is much interest, but the Marussia team shop has some gear at very good prices right now. That is, if you can be seen wearing it.

http://www.marussiaf1teamshop.com/

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 151, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Adrian Sutil back with Force India
VJM in deep doo doo with Kingfisher

Force India insulated from Mallya - team
It was also reported that Adrian Sutil had his seat fitted ahead of the Barcelona testing next week.

LONDON, Feb 14, 2013 (F1plus/AFP) - Force India insisted Thursday its Grand Prix team would be able to carry on despite co-owner Vijay Mallya's financial problems.
Shares in Indian businessman Mallya's debt-laden Kingfisher Airlines plunged Wednesday after banks said they would start recalling loans worth $1.5 billion.

read more:
http://www.f1plus.com/en/news/item/3...ium=facebook&ModPagespeed=noscript

       



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 152, posted (1 year 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 4226 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

The new Williams Renault FW35:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/williams-fw35-studio-2013-3.jpg

Looks a bit plain. I just hope it's fast.



Boeing 777 fanboy
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 153, posted (1 year 7 months ago) and read 4214 times:

Barcelona testing
Morning session timings

Times at 13:00
1. Vettel, Red Bull, 1:23.046, 25 laps
2. Raikkonen, Lotus, 1:23.571, 19 laps
3. Alonso, Ferrari, 1:23.626, 44 laps
4. Maldonado, Williams, 1:23.733, 47 laps
5. Ricciardo, Toro Rosso, 1:23.884, 44 laps
6. Perez, McLaren, 1:24.124, 22 laps
7. Di Resta, Force India, 1:24.144, 47 laps
8. Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:24.520, 14 laps
9. Gutierrez, Sauber, 1:25.136, 38 laps
10. Pic, Caterham, 1:27.534, 40 laps
11. Chilton, Marussia, 1:28.068, 36 laps

by ESPN 11:42 AM

This is just testing so no true timings but still an indication.

First race of the 2013 season: Australian Grand Prix March 15-17

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 154, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 152):
Looks a bit plain. I just hope it's fast.

Let's hope too. They have a good engine, so it's already something.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 155, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 154):
They have a good engine, so it's already something.

Williams and Caterham exhaust designs deemed 'illegal'

Williams and Caterham have been told by Formula 1's governing body, the FIA, that it considers the exhaust designs on their cars to be illegal.
The two teams have added extra bodywork rear of the exhaust to help enhance the way the gases work for aerodynamic effect, a key F1 technology.
But the FIA has told both teams it believes the designs contravene the rules governing bodywork in that area.

read more:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21508634

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2825 posts, RR: 2
Reply 156, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 155):
Williams and Caterham exhaust designs deemed 'illegal'

I hope they have a backup design, because the season starts in one month!



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineTheSultanOfWing From El Salvador, joined Dec 2012, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 155):

Williams and Caterham exhaust designs deemed 'illegal'

Mmm, not what you want to hear at this stage!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 152):

Looks a bit plain. I just hope it's fast.

Bring back the 1996 "livery"......

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 149):

already posted

Oops.....I guess I owe you an apology!!

FH



I feel like the A318 at times: I am probably worth more parted out than as a whole.
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 158, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

I've just discovered the change in networks for F1 in France, from a free to air one to a paying one. I love F1 but not at 40€/month, I'd rather spend that attending a GP (something I hope to do this year to see/hear the last V8 engines).


New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 159, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4168 times:

First Barcelona Test, Day One

1. Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:22.616, 54 laps
2. Raikkonen, Lotus, 1:22.623, 44 laps
3. Alonso, Ferrari, 1:22.952, 110 laps
4. Vettel, Red Bull, 1:22.965, 66 laps
5. Maldonado, Williams, 1:23.733, 85 laps
6. Ricciardo, Toro Rosso, 1:23.884, 72 laps
7. Perez, McLaren, 1:24.124, 75 laps
8. Di Resta, Force India, 1:24.144, 82 laps
9. Gutierrez, Sauber, 1:25.124, 66 laps
10. Chilton, Marussia, 1:26.747, 65 laps
11. Pic, Caterham, 1:27.534, 49 laps
© ESPN EMEA Ltd

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 160, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4119 times:

Barcelona Test Day Two

Timings at 13.00 local time.
1 Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 1:22.197, 43 laps
2 Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes) 1:22.726, 64 laps
3 Sergio Perez (McLaren) 1:22.743, 35 laps
4 Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) 1:23.247, 28 laps
5 Valtteri Bottas (Williams) 1:23.561, 53 laps
6 Daniel Ricciardo (Toro Rosso) 1:23.718, 46 laps
7 Paul di Resta (Force India) 1:23.971, 41 laps
8 Nico Hulkenberg (Sauber) 1:24.638, 39 laps
9 Charles Pic (Caterham) 1:26.985, 52 laps
10 Max Chilton (Marussia) 1:28.900, 32 laps
Kimi Raikkonen (Lotus) 4 laps
c/o ESPN


Lewis Hamilton shows good early pace on day two of Barcelona test
Lewis Hamilton set the pace in his Mercedes early on the second morning of the second pre-season test.
The 28-year-old set a best lap at Barcelona's Circuit de Catalunya of one minute 23.274 seconds to head Red Bull's reigning world champion Sebastian Vettel by 0.379secs.
Ferrari's Fernando Alonso was third fastest, 0.942secs off the pace.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21519122


     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 161, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4120 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 155):
But the FIA has told both teams it believes the designs contravene the rules governing bodywork in that area.

"Believes" is the key word there. An Autosport article on the same subject says that the teams can indeed run this design into the first race. If the FIA still believes it is illegal they will refer the matter to the stewards:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105623

Quote:
Despite the FIA's concerns, its current position is only advisory and both teams can continue to run their designs during testing, which is unregulated beyond safety standards.

Should they continue to run them once the season starts, the FIA is able to refer the matter to race stewards for consideration.

When contacted about the situation, a spokesperson told AUTOSPORT: "The team spoke with the FIA this morning (they approached us), which is when they gave us their view.

"The team are now seeking further clarification on this and a decision as to whether this design will be carried forward will be made before the first race."



Boeing 777 fanboy
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10895 posts, RR: 37
Reply 162, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4089 times: