soon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5891 times:
This week I received word that the old Grumman test facility out on Eastern Long Island is now a storage facility or "bone-yard" if you will, for the Storm ravaged vehicles flooded by the Atlantic Oceans salt water,...thank you Sandy!. The photos don't do it justice...estimated 30,000 vehicles on the ground and counting...they are still arriving. This facility is the same that housed the wreckage of TWA 800 rebuild. Both runways/ taxiways are full. Combined both runways total about 16,000 in length. you can get a lot of vehicles in there. Now consider how many households these vehicles came from. The homes fared worse than the vehicles.
Calverton, Both runways filled with "Sandy Damaged Vehicles"
No forced landings here today!
Total estimated so far vehicles at Calverton, 30,000!
goosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5846 times:
Will be interesting to see what happens to these. Once soaked in salt water they are useless. I remember visiting Davis Mathan and vehicles ruined in Katrina from New Orleans were stored in one of the scrap yards. Apparently being offered cheaply. Quite a sight.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2925 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5845 times:
I have many memories as a child going to Calverton with my dad. He was an engineer with Grumman, and would take me there sometimes on the weekends if he was behind on his work and whatnot. To see this is truly amazing
Out of curiosity, isn't there a skydiving company that operates out of Calverton? If there is, how the heck are they performing their ops???
Thank you so much for the pics!! I miss flying around LI, seeing these brings back great memories!
"If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it"
soon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5765 times:
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2): Out of curiosity, isn't there a skydiving company that operates out of Calverton? If there is, how the heck are they performing their ops???
Their is but I believe it is currently off season for them. "Skydive, Long Island"...Ray Maynord. These runways are huge. As I flew up to it this AM I was shocked to see that many vehicles. Mine was one of them. Future used vehicle buyers, take note...many of these cars will end up in car lots. Long Island has a huge Euro (BMW, BENZ, AUDI, PORCHE etc...)Vehicle population and these are the vehicles that the affluent her can afford, living on waterfront property.
soon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5540 times:
My guess is the auctions will start soon to whomever finds whatever they can use. These are going to be tough fixes knowing they experienced salt water instrusion. A wrecker told me once the house debris was cleared from the front of the homes, and they gained acces to the vehicles in the garages, it was evident the vehicles in the garages were floating so high, that their roofs contact the ceiling of the garage. Either way is was quite an experience.
nickh From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5443 times:
Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 7): What about titles for the vehicles - how do they get them so they can be sold? Would think that it would be very hard to sell to a unknowing buyer?
Ideally, flood damaged vehicles would be sold with a "Salvage Title", which informs the buyer that the car was damaged beyond practical repair and is being sold "As-Is". So then the buyer takes a knowing risk in buying the vehicle, etc.
However, there are too many disreputable sellers (brokers) that will purchase these vehicles, change the engine and transmission fluids, spit-shine the car and sell as a "Certified Pre-Owned" car.
Your best bet, at least here in the U.S., is to go to Carfax or a similar service and enter the VIN of the car and it will usually show you any salvage write-off claims for the vehicle filed with the insurance companies or the DMV.
Always be careful when buying cars from brokers - there is a reason why they sell them cheaply... If you buy a used car, it is usually a better idea to buy a CPO (Certified Pre-Owned) vehicle from the dealer.
Just my $0.02.
"We all have wings, but some of us don't know why..."
I'm still seeing cars being pulled from neighborhoods that were flooded , the vehicles depart on flatbeds, all with out license tags.
My car was recently totalled in an accident, (cut-off by SUV)...I signed over my title to the insurance underwriters, had to remove the tags and turn them in to DMV...then they, along with the salvage co. handle the rest. I suppose this will be the same order of events for these vehicles.
No place to land 'cept the grass and while it looks smooth from altitude, it is highly irregular, would result in damaged gears. I don't know the technical length of these runways but Grumman used it to test fly the Hot goodies and these runways are long. They are at capacity with cars and so soon after the storm...Gives you an appreciation of how much oil we consume...
Not always. A buddy of mine has a 2008 Ford F150 that was completely submerged near Galveston, Texas. He got it for next to nothing and rebuilt the entire thing. He drives the truck almost every day, but says it wan't worth the work and time he put into it. He has rebuilt wrecks before, but this was his first (and last) submerged vehicle.
Quoting nickh (Reply 8): Ideally, flood damaged vehicles would be sold with a "Salvage Title",
bristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4684 times:
Quoting falstaff (Reply 13): Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 1):
Once soaked in salt water they are useless
Quoting falstaff (Reply 13): but says it wan't worth the work and time he put into it. He has rebuilt wrecks before, but this was his first (and last) submerged vehicle.
Ergo, they're useless. They can be rebuilt, but no-one in their right mind would do it. A friend of mine bought a Titan that had been submerged in Hurricane Katrina. Fixed it up but then hit a wall when trying to get the airbags operational. The only people that would do it were the dealership and they wanted to charge such a high amount that he quit rebuilding it.