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Massive Media Benghazi Failure Continues  
User currently offlinen318ea From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

It is now 3 + months and still no answers on Benghazi! First Ambassador Rice withdraws her unofficial non-nomination for Secretary of State. Now SOS Clinton has a concussion and can't testify. If Ambassador Rice had to go through hearings on Capital Hill the "most transparent and open administration" would have had to be exactly that for once. Now 3 months plus and the Obama State Department Investigation is still not ready for release? Suddenly SOS Clinton falls and has a boo-boo. B$! SOS Clinton didn’t want to lie then and won't lie now.
How can it take 3+ months to investigate what everyone already knows? Watergate brought Nixon down and no one died. The Obama Administration should NOT face impeachment over Benghazi but should be held accountable for what it was, a massive failure to protect our Embassy’s and its personnel in light of available intelligence and it's lying/covering up these facts to the American public. The Lame Stream Media gives a pass to this POTUS on just about everything and now doesn't make any attempt to go through the motions of non biased reporting.
I realize this forum is an exchange of ideology and does nothing to change ones opinions. I believe a person will watch/read the media that best suites ones ideology as well. I know I'm guilty in spite of my attempts to watch MSNBC. This does not excuse the major networks failure at any attempt of objectivity on this event.

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7966 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
I realize this forum is an exchange of ideology and does nothing to change ones opinions.

I've changed my opinion a lot of times due to this board

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The Lame Stream Media

Just checked Fox New's website, couldn't find anything about Benghazi on their page... maybe they're just waiting for the investigation to come out instead of shooting at the hip?

Didn't the Lebanon bombing investigation take a year and a half?

Should we demand them to rush out a half *** report or should we do it right? I have a feeling no matter the time frame, if it says anything favorable about the Obama administration, it will be torn down as corruption and bias.

I mean when you have people saying that Clinton getting a concussion is a conspiracy to not give an account of Benghazi it really, really makes me want to ignore that side. I fight the urge to do so and hear them out, but it's ridiculous watching this event unfold. EVERY little fact that came out was somehow a reason to call out the President, now every little fact that ISN'T coming out is reason to criticize him.

Unless there is something new coming out (not Hillary Clinton jumping on her head to cover up the "truth") I don't see the point in making a big deal.

Keep it in the back of your mind, wait for the investigation, then draw conclusions from the facts



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21795 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
Suddenly SOS Clinton falls and has a boo-boo. B$! SOS Clinton didn’t want to lie then and won't lie now.

Yes, I'm sure she planned that fall so that she wouldn't have to testify. Oh wait, she'll still have to testify after she recovers, so it didn't gain her anything except a concussion.  
Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
How can it take 3+ months to investigate what everyone already knows?

What is it, pray tell, that everyone already knows?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
Just checked Fox New's website, couldn't find anything about Benghazi on their page... maybe they're just waiting for the investigation to come out instead of shooting at the hip?

Which would be the first intelligent thing they've done on Benghazi, ever.

-Mir



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Which would be the first intelligent thing they've done on Benghazi, ever.

You forgot to add "IMHO" after all of "that"; it's "not news" that you aren't "big" on Fox News, but at the proverbial "end of the day", I'm pretty certain that if there's ever a contest to determine which network fails to report the facts the most times per year, Fox News won't win that contest............

And as for our esteemed "former" (?) Sec/State, just remember the old adage, "If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck,........it's PROBABLY a duck ! ( and if she DID "jump on her head" in order to stone-wall this issue, it certainly wouldn't be the first time she's managed to "side step" telling the truth, relative to facts surrounding someone's "untimely demise". (anyone remember Vince Foster ?)

Charley



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7966 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 3):
I'm pretty certain that if there's ever a contest to determine which network fails to report the facts the most times per year, Fox News won't win that contest............

I don't really listen to the mainstream outlets, but even at the height of the discussions on Benghazi, I saw, from all the other news outlets, the same stuff being reported about Benghazi. I don't know why this claim about most media outlets "ignoring" it. Can't speak for Fox News, but the conservative talk radio outlets were not only reporting it, they were jumping to conclusions every step of the way that, coincidentally, made the President look bad.

That is my issue with it.

If we find that I am wrong and there was indeed an egregious cover up or incompetence, you won't see me on here twisting facts around to prove how I wasn't wrong or whatever, I'd join in with the criticism. But the most "compelling" evidence I've seen so far has been weak to say the least.

And that's not because I'm "uninformed," "ignorant," or a "sheeple listening to the lamestream media..."



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8165 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Give it up on Benghazi, for god's sake. You think the mainstream media are "giving Obama a pass", but you don't care about the thousands of American soldiers and contractors killed needlessly in Iraq (not to mention the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis) because that would make your beloved Republicans look bad. The fact that George W Bush along with Cheney Rumsfeld and Rice aren't in prison for treason proves the bias in America is the opposite of what you claim it to be.

So even if mistakes were made in Libya, which I guess they were, links to Obama and the administration are tenuous at best - do you think it's Obama's role, or that of any political appointee, to decide the level of protection given to embassies in far off lands in the middle of war zones? Or do you think it's the role of career security professionals who know the job and do their best for America every day?

So what exactly is the scandal? And why is this a much greater crime than the invasion of Iraq that killed a million people including thousands, THOUSANDS of your precious Americans?



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User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

This issue isn't even about Libya anymore. Even initially, did it even MATTER if the riots were due to one issue or another? I think not.

This issue is now (indeed, perhaps has always been) about partisan bickering between 2 entrenched parties.

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
Now SOS Clinton has a concussion and can't testify.

Or is REFUSING to testify, using the consussion as an excuse. Who knows? Anyway, what would she be testifying about? Who said what, and when? Who cares......



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
a massive failure to protect our Embassy’s and its personnel in light of available intelligence

I believe you've never worked in the intelligence field. It is the easiest thing in the world to look at the information after something happens and say - this, this and this - all point out what was going to happen. Why didn't anyone see it?

They don't see it because they are each looking at hundreds of intercepts, analysis and estimates daily, thousands on any single subject. And things slip through. They never stand out as clear as they do in hindsight.

Even I don't blame President Bush for choosing to invade Iraq with what we can now see as the massive evidence Saddam did not have WMD, which was a bigger failure to use the available intelligence.

No body, no administration, no government department - gets everything right. Heck, most would be happy to get 50% right.

The process is pretty standard.

The people who have to make the decision use their own knowledge and experience, the information thought important by people they trust, the information available from other sources - and make decisions.

You do the same thing when you go to have lunch in a strange town/ restaurant. If you've never picked a lunch that turned out to be a mistake - you might have some basis to complain.

And you might want to consider applying for a job of looking at hundreds of pages per day and picking out one or two important phrases.

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
still no answers on Benghazi!

Benghazi may have been a mistake. We will never know the details because they must remain classified, or risk the lives of intelligence sources.

Frankly, I think the focus on Benghazi played a big part in getting President Obama re-elected.

Republican and conservative supporters of the Romney campaign got side tracked on this relatively minor issue and 'lost the big picture'.

They focused on something which will never be a big issue for the American people - and quit campaigning on the President's record on the economy.

FoxNews basically chose to not make the economy an issue and focus on Benghazi. Best think that could have happened for the Obama re-election bid.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7966 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
I believe you've never worked in the intelligence field. It is the easiest thing in the world to look at the information after something happens and say - this, this and this - all point out what was going to happen. Why didn't anyone see it?

They don't see it because they are each looking at hundreds of intercepts, analysis and estimates daily, thousands on any single subject. And things slip through. They never stand out as clear as they do in hindsight.

   There are probably dozens of Benghazi-like situations today... calls for more security. If everyone got everything they requested for working for the government/military we'd be broke now. Looking back, it appears the call for more security was the right one, let's learn from it. But is it hard to believe that there have been hundreds of cases where more security has been requested and nothing bad happened? Hindsight is 20/20

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
Even I don't blame President Bush for choosing to invade Iraq with what we can now see as the massive evidence Saddam did not have WMD, which was a bigger failure to use the available intelligence.

I agree. Although the invasion order may have been really hasty, our intelligence (and from other nations) really did point to WMDs. Again, worse than the initial mistake is not learning from it, which is why I'm really concern for the calls for military action on Iran

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
No body, no administration, no government department - gets everything right. Heck, most would be happy to get 50% right.

      I've said it before, and I truly believe it... if the Second Coming of Jesus himself got elected US President (as a Democrat) the GOP could find something wrong in every decision he made. Don't want to single out the GOP, the Democrats can be pretty bad, but on the topic of Benghazi I found the GOP's actions deplorable



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3691 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 6):
This issue isn't even about Libya anymore. Even initially, did it even MATTER if the riots were due to one issue or another? I think not.

That is correct. It is not simple party bickering however. There are some serious questions about decisions made leading up to the incident and who made them. This is were the stonewalling begins, possibly to protect people Obama would like to keep and promote. It is in everybody's interest to get the truth there.

The Susan Rice thing is just a sideshow and a silly one at that. She was just the only available administration messenger that morning and has nothing to do with Libyan security or State Department policies.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Well this is partially why i watch FOX- they ask the questions needed to be answered.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7966 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Well this is partially why i watch FOX- they ask the questions needed to be answered.

Which is why they are totally reporting on it now??



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8419 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The Obama Administration should NOT face impeachment over Benghazi but should be held accountable for what it was,

If anyone should face any legal action then we need to look at General/Director David Petraeus for the possible failure to protect classified from his biographer/shack-up.

We also need to be very clear that it was General/Director David Petraeus who was in charge of the CIA when Ambassador Rice was given the talking points. I can understand that the Directors mind was elsewhere, but find it queer as hell that the GOP Senators raising so much hell apparently FORGOT who give Rice the talking points.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
Frankly, I think the focus on Benghazi played a big part in getting President Obama re-elected.

The total failure of the GOP to be a political party that addresses the needs of the middle class (much less the poor) is the reason for the election. It was simply a money grab election for the GOP and the voters understood this.

That brought up the abusive attacks against Rice. It wasn't because she delivered the talking points developed by Petraeus, it was because the GOP got whipped in the election. Going after Rice & pushing Kerry would give the GOP a chance to bring back Senator Brown (R-MA) from the deal.

There was no other reason. Even McCain saying that Rice was not too bright is a farce. With a Ba from Stanford and a PhD from Oxford Rice far overshadowed McCain who was FIFTH from the BOTTOM in his class at Annapolis. We know which of the two isn't the brightest.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11760 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 10):
This is were the stonewalling begins, possibly to protect people Obama would like to keep and promote. It is in everybody's interest to get the truth there.

Yeah. It would never be that there is intel they need to keep out of public view. That would never happen when CIA is involved, would it?

Funny how we demanded to rush into war with half-baked intelligence and that was great but when a CIA outpost is attacked, half-baked intelligence is demanded instead of actually waiting for every piece of evidence.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
We also need to be very clear that it was General/Director David Petraeus who was in charge of the CIA when Ambassador Rice was given the talking points. I can understand that the Directors mind was elsewhere, but find it queer as hell that the GOP Senators raising so much hell apparently FORGOT who give Rice the talking points.

With the right-wing, the buck stops at where ever makes Obama look worst. Plus, with Rice out of the picture, John Kerry is roumered to be the front runner. That means an open seat in the Senate the right-wing hopes to fill with one of their own.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
Which is why they are totally reporting on it now??
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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21795 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 9):
I've said it before, and I truly believe it... if the Second Coming of Jesus himself got elected US President (as a Democrat) the GOP could find something wrong in every decision he made.

I'm sure the phrase "Jesus In Name Only" would be flying around. And we'd need to see his birth certificate just to make sure he wasn't born in Mexico, because you never know with that name...

It really is out of control.

-Mir



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User currently offlinen318ea From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

Just for your info I only watch 1 hour of Fox Brett Baier @ 1800 hrs. I am a Tea Party supporter and I LIKE Glenn Beck. I am also a proud Life Member of NRA.

Nothing to see here folks move along. All is well.  

[Edited 2012-12-16 14:20:59]

[Edited 2012-12-16 14:21:50]

User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12791 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4103 times:
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Quoting n318ea (Reply 17):
Just for your info I only watch 1 hour of Fox Brett Baier @ 1800 hrs. I am a Tea Party supporter and I LIKE Glenn Beck. I am also a proud Life Member of NRA.

That tells us all we need to know.   



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User currently offlinePu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 736 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
massive failure to protect our Embassy’s and its personne

Your mistake is believing that the majority of Americans share YOUR values.

Even if the "massive failure" you hope is true is becomes the accepted truth on the subject, no one cares. Or anyway, only trigger happy chest-pounding troglodytes will care.

A solid majority of Americans gave up believing America's biggest problem is angry overseas Muslims. .... about the time the George Bush Admistration had to socialise the US banking system by sending a $trillion to nationalise banks, fair minded men of goodwill realised that America's biggest problems are at home and that irrelevant African cities like Benghazi have ZERO effect on ensuring America's recovery and future.

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
I believe a person will watch/read the media that best suites ones ideology as well. I know I'm guilty in spite of my attempts to watch MSNBC. This does not excuse the major networks failure at any attempt of objectivity on this event.

No, you again make the mistake of believing everyone gets their news like you from a news outlet with political objectives like FOX. Only white men, especially older white men, watch Fox News exclusively.....check the demographics on news sources.....every other demographic gets their news primarily ONLINE and by reading MULTIPLE news sources.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
you don't care about the thousands of American soldiers and contractors killed needlessly

*******CORRECT*******
More than 4000 Americans have died on the streets of America at the hands of other Americans, including not a few schoolchildren, since Benghazi....but blaming foreigners is so much easier....and is the same psychology as a person who sees all their problems caused by others instead of realising that all one's problems are caused by oneself.

Benghazi is irrelevant. America is the cause and the solution to its problems - not Africa.



Pu


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 10):
There are some serious questions about decisions made leading up to the incident and who made them.

No there are not.

The government doesn't work the way news opinion readers on Fox try to make us believe.

People make decisions. A lot of the time those decisions never get pushed up to a level where they should be made. And many times people on those lower levels make key decisions purposely to ensure their boss cannot be held responsible.

People in government, people who are government contractors - all make decisions every day far above their paygrade. Sometimes it bites us in the a.....s......s.

Remember President Reagan's National Security Advisor - VAdm John Poindexter? and a certain LtCol North. That is how it works. They make decisions based on their understanding of the boss's policy. At times those decisions are horribly wrong.

When a person like the President makes a policy decision - it is based on a ONE page double spaced typed briefing. People up to the level of the Ambassador never get more details on most decisions they have to make.

They simply don't have the time to accurately review all the information before making a decision. Especially in a relatively fluid, fast moving situation.

The only place worse than the government about such decision making and the unavoidable CYA that goes after is the US Congress on their high and mighty 'search for the truth'.

I have an idea about how to improve the situation - FIRE ALL THE CONGRESSMEN and SENATORS in 2014.

Vote every one of the SOBs out of office.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8913 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 20):
No there are not.

The government doesn't work the way news opinion readers on Fox try to make us believe.

People make decisions. A lot of the time those decisions never get pushed up to a level where they should be made. And many times people on those lower levels make key decisions purposely to ensure their boss cannot be held responsible.

People in government, people who are government contractors - all make decisions every day far above their paygrade. Sometimes it bites us in the a.....s......s.

Remember President Reagan's National Security Advisor - VAdm John Poindexter? and a certain LtCol North. That is how it works. They make decisions based on their understanding of the boss's policy. At times those decisions are horribly wrong.

When a person like the President makes a policy decision - it is based on a ONE page double spaced typed briefing. People up to the level of the Ambassador never get more details on most decisions they have to make.

They simply don't have the time to accurately review all the information before making a decision. Especially in a relatively fluid, fast moving situation.

I have never heard such a stream of whining denial of responsibility. Making such decisions is what we pay these guys for. They have an infrastructure costing hundreds of billions of dollars per year to give them the relevant information.

And some of the decisions, let's face it, aren't that hard.

"Our consulate in Benghazi reports that they are being threatened by local Islamists, and report that their security is completely inadequate."

"Can we put Marines there in sufficient force to defend the consulate? If so, send them, if not, let's close the consulate."

OR

"Mr. President/Secretary/Undersecretary (whatever), our consulate in Benghazi is under attack, and our people there are screaming for extraction".

"What assets do wo have in the region that can make the extraction and/or provide support?"

"Blah blah blah"

"OK, get them in the air and moving towards Benghazi, I'm picking up the phone to the Libyan government and let them know they are on the way."

Not that hard.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
I have never heard such a stream of whining denial of responsibility.

Maybe some day you will vist the real world.

We would love to have you experience it with the rest of us.


User currently offlinePu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 736 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):

AMERICAN SCHOOLCHILDREN KILLED BY AMERICAN TERRORISTS IN AMERICA THIS WEEK = 20+

AMERICAN SCHOOLCHILDREN KILLED BY MUSLIMS TERRORISTS IN BENGHAZI LIBYA SINCE TIME BEGAN = 0

.

Put your priorities in order and Fix America first.

Nothing could be more irrelevant to America than anything that happens in Benghazi, Libya.




Pu


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3691 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
That brought up the abusive attacks against Rice. It wasn't because she delivered the talking points developed by Petraeus, it was because the GOP got whipped in the election. Going after Rice & pushing Kerry would give the GOP a chance to bring back Senator Brown (R-MA) from the deal.

I believe John Kerry would be the better candidate anyway. It could be the Republicans did us all a favor.

Quoting Pu (Reply 19):
Even if the "massive failure" you hope is true is becomes the accepted truth on the subject, no one cares. Or anyway, only trigger happy chest-pounding troglodytes will care.

I believe Americans care that those who may be negligent, or even just horribly wrong would lose their jobs. It is in all our best interests that this come true.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 20):
Remember President Reagan's National Security Advisor - VAdm John Poindexter? and a certain LtCol North. That is how it works. They make decisions based on their understanding of the boss's policy. At times those decisions are horribly wrong.

So are you saying the subsequent investigations were also partisan witchunts and that because the rest of us just don't understand how it is inside government life, their early retirements from civil service because of those decisions were unwarranted?

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 22):
Maybe some day you will vist the real world.

We would love to have you experience it with the rest of us.

I have an idea where the two different worlds are in this conversation. The government employees/contractors world in which things can be brushed away and nobody faces responsibility as the money keeps on rolling and the rest of the world who expect repercussions for poor performance.

And don't waste your time calling me a partisan, I did not vote Republican. On the other hand, how many Dems here would be so nonchalant about this if it were one of Bush's favorites, for example.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Anybody love how Hillary faked a concussion today so she would be able to testify about Bengazi before congress?


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25 mham001 : Good point. Obama and his 3 main advisers on the matter should have told the Europeans exactly that when they came looking for help to overthrow Kada
26 Post contains links TheCommodore : I believe she has been suffering from dehydration, bought on by a stomach virus. Had to cancel visits last week to Morocco and the Persian Gulf becau
27 cmf : So easy to say what should have been done when you sit with the result. Dare to guess how often there are requests for this or that? Any idea how muc
28 Dreadnought : Are you saying that the US federal government, with a couple of million employees, can't do two things at the same time? And whereas what happened fr
29 cmf : You think this is the first time additional security has been requested but not granted... Seems like a witch hunt to me.
30 BN747 : Ask as much as you want...but no one will ever get the answers they seek. If you can locate anyone with a little insight, they'll tell you this was s
31 Mudboy : As someone that has several friends that are PMC with the DOS, and has been offered jobs in Iraq, all of this, is a political joke. This was not a US
32 BN747 : Listen to the man.. that's a ton more than you'll EVER get from the media. ..and if this Benghazi nonsense is considered a 'Massive Media Failure..'
33 Ken777 : Maybe. There is no doubt, however, that Obama's Ms. Rice would have been a far better SecState then Bush's Ms. Rice. Both PhD's and both exceptionall
34 Pu : If I wanted to say that, I would say that. In households where English is spoken, what I said was clear: put your priorities in order. For example: +
35 ltbewr : First of all, Libya is in a transition of government, so was not really capable to do their duty to protect our consulate in Benghazi. Problem is that
36 FlyDeltaJets : I would rather the media say nothing about Benghazi than to continue to report the same assumpsions and proven false talking points they were doing up
37 rfields5421 : I was not talking about the investigation. I was citing two very specific people who provided very detailed descriptions of how the real world works
38 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Ok so if Fox is doing what the other networks are doing, why are the other networks getting blasted? Again, don't listen to them too much but when th
39 seb146 : I just wonder what would happen if Obama nominated Jon Huntsman? I think he would be good. But, the right-wing fringe would probably block his nomina
40 Aaron747 : She didn't go through the hearings because she and her husband are too invested in Canadian oil pipelines and pipeline suppliers to get through the p
41 LMP737 : On Fox News website do a search of ACORN and Halliburton and see what you get.
42 BN747 : What? And there's not a SINGLE Republican senator or congressman NOT neck deep in those and other oil pipeline investments. Good luck finding one. BN
43 Aaron747 : You bet, but once that hit HuffPo and Politico the talk of her as a serious candidate for Sec State started to dwindle. Big difference between that p
44 BN747 : I must be missing something...were I a big hitter oil-invested GOP-er, I'd be very sympathetic to a SOS Rice with similar investments (oil-related) a
45 Aaron747 : Criticisms of her that I saw were more oriented around the enviro crowd, et al.
46 DeltaMD90 : Why would they deny a moderate Republican when the other choices are flat out liberals? I mean I know they've been pretty partisan of late and do som
47 Newark727 : I think it's a bit more complex than that. See Democratic hostility towards Joe Lieberman, although he was never being nominated for a cabinet post.
48 Post contains images n318ea : I DON'T get my news from FOX. I do read multiple blogs and multiple sources including NBC online. Oh, and I left out I like Rush Limbaugh too.
49 Post contains links casinterest : The final report is now in the State Department's hands. We will see what new story the Fake news company and other right wing spin on this on Wednesd
50 Ken777 : You can be sure that the attacks on Susan Rice by those GOP Senators will motivate a lot of people from discussing situations in the future. Leave it
51 rfields5421 : The US Senate is the ultimate 'old boys club'. Almost any Senator or former Senator nominated for a position requiring Senate confirmation gets appro
52 Mudboy : You know, after reading all this, I am glad I did not take a job as a PSD/Medic in Libya as offered in Iraq or Libya, it was a ton of cake, but I feel
53 Post contains images n318ea : Maybe you should start watching FOX NEWS and then you would have known what was OBVIOUS! Now that the Accountability Revue Board is complete and finds
54 seb146 : What if Obama had made a recess appointment? Imagine the fake outrage. So, in the rush to get information out that was not accurate because right-win
55 Newark727 : What you're quoting doesn't back up ANYTHING the right has been saying about Benghazi. Was security inadequate? Evidently, but it's not the silver bu
56 casinterest : Those that value their brain cells will not heed this advice. Fake news is nothing but the WWE version of a news network. They made up accusations ho
57 BN747 : Four people resigning over this? They're working for the wrong Administration.... under the Bush Admin, under same circumstances .. they'd all receive
58 ltbewr : At least in this case people are resigning, probalby taking early retirement, before being fired as they should be. Hopefuily we will learn from this
59 BN747 : Perhaps..but honestly, I personally do not feel in any way, shape or form...the whole picture is being presented in this report. Not even close..nor
60 DeltaMD90 : I'm just shocked that there are people that still think the government should grant EVERY request made and that attacks aren't gonna slip through the
61 Post contains images Geezer : This is beginning to sound like another awkward moment thread...................................
62 n318ea : So lying to the American Public for weeks after the fact that it was not a terrorist act means nothing right? Like I said first, NO ONE comes here fo
63 Newark727 : What did the report have to say about that? I'm pretty sure it was very little. The focus as I gathered was the lack of security beforehand, which is
64 Aaron747 : There's no point applying logic and reason when fantasy-world histrionics are the order of the day on this issue. End single-sentence rant.
65 rfields5421 : How is this case different from: Nixon lying over almost every thing? Reagan lying over not negotiating with terrorists while selling arms to Iran? B
66 n318ea : They had real time intelligence of what happened. No one needs a "report" to know that. The 4 dead people deserve better than this. I Don't. Either s
67 cmf : It is now... and some people are more interested in blaming the president than they are in what happened.
68 n318ea : People here continue to miss the point. Just TELL the truth about happened. Lying and withholding information and testimony adds to the suspicion of
69 seb146 : About a CIA outpost traking al-Qaida movements? Do you really want to show our hand to the enemy? Or are they not our enemy any more?
70 n318ea : Your kidding me right?
71 seb146 : Well... since I watch more than just FOX, no. No, I am not. Think about it. Pull your head out of the world of FOX and think about it: How many Ameri
72 n318ea : Since you already made a mistake by assuming I only get my NEWS from FOX. I DON"T just watch FOX NEWS. That would be like me accusing you of only wat
73 Newark727 : Seems to me that all of that has been taking place. What with the closed-door testimony before Congress from almost everybody, and the report that ju
74 cmf : I'm sure she did. That means she told the truth as it had been explained to her. Just because someone in government has direct information doesn't me
75 Post contains links n318ea : New York Post now controlled by FOX NEWS! http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...dium=rss&utm_content=International The four officials supposedly
76 casinterest : Their blunders were oversight issues that may or may not have prevented the attack. They were not responsbile for the attack itself, and it is unknow
77 n318ea : My apologies to SOS Clinton. My prayers to her and hope she makes a full and quick recovery.
78 seb146 : Actually, but continuing to beat a dead horse, yeah... I kinda feel you get your news from only FOX and no one else. Combining FOX and MSNBC and doin
79 PHX787 : Apparently the blood clot is in her brain according to an alert i just got on my iphone.
80 Flighty : I don't see why Republicans are surprised by this. This is a government outfit. There are dozens of layers of middle management. The whole purpose is
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