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Fate of the QE2  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20351 posts, RR: 59
Posted (2 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10578 times:

According to a QE2-dedicated Facebook page I follow (this isn't being reported in any news media I can find), the QE2's current maintenance crew has been ordered to vacate the ship and they will be replaced by a Chinese crew.

When QE2 was sold by Cunard, part of the contract was that she could not be sold to any foreign interest for ten years unless said interest was a scrapping outfit. The obvious conclusion is that she has been sold to a foreign interest. The general concern is that this is the beginning of the end for the Queen.

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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
The general concern is that this is the beginning of the end for the Queen.

About time too.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
When QE2 was sold by Cunard, part of the contract was that she could not be sold to any foreign interest for ten years unless said interest was a scrapping outfit.

We must be following the same Facebook page.

I was in Dubai most recently. I hovered around there with my binoculars but I did not detect any signs of anything unusual on board the Ship. This is a sudden decision it seems.

If they were going to move the Ship to a destination other than the breakers yard they would have retained the V-Ships crew on board. V-Ships is not Dubai based. Their HQs are in Fontvieile, Monaco.

Breakers yard seems the most plausible.

Sheikh Mohammed probably decided that he'd be better off not having her around anymore. An idle historical Ship sitting in the harbour represents too much bad publicity for his little Empire.

We will know soon.

   Wow!  

[Edited 2012-12-18 10:54:30]


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 days ago) and read 10490 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Sheikh Mohammed probably decided that he'd be better off not having her around anymore. An idle historical Ship sitting in the harbour represents too much bad publicity for his little Empire.

I think they have realised that they weren't going to make any money off QE2 so they are better of cutting losses and scrapping her.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20351 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 days ago) and read 10462 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
We must be following the same Facebook page.

I think you referred to me it, IIRC.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Sheikh Mohammed probably decided that he'd be better off not having her around anymore. An idle historical Ship sitting in the harbour represents too much bad publicity for his little Empire.

I wonder why he didn't convert her into his own personal yacht. It would give him the largest private yacht in the world, a veritable floating palace.

I mean, if I had tens of billions of dollars, it's what I'd do.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27316 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 days ago) and read 10453 times:

Shame it didn't get made into a hotel with service similar to what you used to get TATL. I guess some things are just not meant to be.

User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10438 times:

I was really shocked that she ended up where she did! You have a country area that really embraces all things new and flashy and the QE2 is anything but.


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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10352 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
I think they have realised that they weren't going to make any money off QE2 so they are better of cutting losses and scrapping her.

Agreed and even just sitting there it is taking up space that could be more beneficially used as the port facilities are enhanced to accommodate a growing number of cruise arrivals.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
It would give him the largest private yacht in the world, a veritable floating palace.

Maybe he gets sea-sick and could he risk being away from home for too long? Besides, how's he going to land the 744 on deck?  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10319 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 6):
I was really shocked that she ended up where she did! You have a country area that really embraces all things new and flashy and the QE2 is anything but.

I was at sea in the flotilla on the day she arrived in Dubai and got to see her there many times afterwards. She never quite fitted the scene. Dubai has a high number of luxury and super-luxury hotels. No one would ever think of spending time in a refitted "Hotel QE2" in that ugly harbour in the middle of freighter boats and harbour condrum.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
a growing number of cruise arrivals.

I have never seen more than two in one day- There's space - that is not the real problem.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
Besides, how's he going to land the 744 on deck?

Sheikh Mo has one of the world's most beautiful and most lavish private yachts and he can make his any helicopter he wishes. Roman Abramovich's new toy is only 5 meters longer at the most and probably no more luxurious than Sheikh Mo's yacht.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/exp...al-yachts-in-pictures.html?image=2

His son Crown Prince Hamdan also has his own toy - yacht Dubawi. A beautiful beast!
http://www.superyachts.com/motor-yacht-2551/dubawi.htm

They don't need to have the QE2 refitted for personal use. They can have new personal yachts built on demand any day.

It was a Chinese Crew on the RMS Queen Elizabeth in 1972.

 Wow!   



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10293 times:

Too late to edit
Live from Port Rashid via AIS
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/def...x=30&centery=25&zoom=2&level1=140#

QE2 is live on the AIS ship tracker. If the link does not take you directly you can type in Dubai in the geographic locator and you will see the Ship inside Port Rashid.

Flag: Vanuatu
Ship Type: Passenger
Status: Anchored/Moored
Speed/Course: 0 kn / 0˚
Length x Breadth: 293 m X 36 m
Draught: 9.3 m
Destination: DUBAI
Received (49): 0h 1min ago
(AIS Source: Mubarak Marine LLC)
Show Vessel's Track
Distance to..

Source says "Mubarak Marine LLC" I wonder who could they be?... Probably just providing position.

It seems she has plenty of activity right around her. I see 3 cargo and a couple of unspecified right on the same pier.
Royal yachts Dubai and Dubawi are moored at an angle a bit further up.

Ship would need tugs to be moved. I don't see any signs of them but they could be brought in whenever.
Maybe it's not time yet.

I don't see any cruise ships in port.

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/def...x=30&centery=25&zoom=2&level1=140#

Any Anetters flying in please get pictures - left side of the aircraft on landing. Gets some good views.

     



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10230 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I wonder why he didn't convert her into his own personal yacht. It would give him the largest private yacht in the world, a veritable floating palace.

I mean, if I had tens of billions of dollars, it's what I'd do

It would probably take most of those tens of billions to do that... 



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Transmission of vessels positioning are being turned off for the night with fewer transmissions from QE2. The last one back 52 minutes. Can see no more tugs or cargo vessels. Need to wait til tomorrow morning to see how many tug boats are there waiting.

    



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20351 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10190 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 10):
It would probably take most of those tens of billions to do that...

No. It could probably be done for about $1-200M depending on how lavish he wants the decor to be. The ship herself is in good shape, so it's really just a decorating job. She was retired because she is so inefficient for passenger service. But for a Sheikh with essentially unlimited funds who can fly his own 744 around, who cares?

Now, if he wants to replace the engines or screws, then we're starting to talk about some serious money.


User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13754 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10117 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Quoting moose135 (Reply 10):
It would probably take most of those tens of billions to do that...

No. It could probably be done for about $1-200M depending on how lavish he wants the decor to be. The ship herself is in good shape, so it's really just a decorating job.

If I were that mega-wealthy and wanted to convert a passenger ship into a personal vessel, my choice would be the former M/S Sovereign of the Seas. Gorgeous ship.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20351 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10109 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
If I were that mega-wealthy and wanted to convert a passenger ship into a personal vessel, my choice would be the former M/S Sovereign of the Seas. Gorgeous ship.

The centrum would be an amazing throne room.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10070 times:

Could the presence of dredgers in the section of the harbour where the QE2 is indicate that they are working on clearing passage for the ship to leave the harbour?

Spotted three large tugs and a number of dredgers on AIS the last couple of days.

Any naval ops experts here?

    



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9948 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
His son Crown Prince Hamdan also has his own toy - yacht Dubawi. A beautiful beast!

I don't like the look of that. It's a bit 'in yer face'. The interior looks like a cheap nightclub from the 1970s.

How could anyone think of scrapping the QE2? It's a floating work of art.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9937 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
How could anyone think of scrapping the QE2? It's a floating work of art.

There's rumours going around that she's been sold to a Chinese company.
This is just some people talking. There is no official confirmation.

I have my doubts. The sales contract from Canival to her Dubai owners stated only can be sold for scrub - not for any other reason.

Suppose she is sent to the breaker's - would there be any way to recoop some ship parts (preferably small) for collectible purpose?

Why wouldn't they have an auction of anything QE2-wise that would please collectors or former passengers? Could be benefit some charity.

The Air France and British Airways Concorde auctions brought in a lot of money.

    



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9901 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17):
Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
How could anyone think of scrapping the QE2? It's a floating work of art.

There's rumours going around that she's been sold to a Chinese company.
This is just some people talking. There is no official confirmation.

Sad to think she's going to be turned into razor blades or something along those lines. Beautiful ship.

My big trek through Europe and ME 75-76: when I left London, where I was living, weighed 168 lb (12 stone), when I got back, 142 lb (10 stone, 2lb). Thanks to the fabulous food on QE2, I think I gained a fair bit of that before I got back to Winnipeg. If I'd shown up at home weighing 142 my mother would have had a stroke. I looked like a wraith at 142.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9898 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):

No. It could probably be done for about $1-200M depending on how lavish he wants the decor to be. The ship herself is in good shape, so it's really just a decorating job. She was retired because she is so inefficient for passenger service. But for a Sheikh with essentially unlimited funds who can fly his own 744 around, who cares?

1-200 million would build appox 100m's of yacht, something like Eclipse or Octopus. QE2 would need hundreds of crew as well, the operating costs as a private yacht would be massive, it would also be far to expensive to put on the charter market. I think at least 500 million would be needed to convert the ship to a private yacht.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10930 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days ago) and read 9891 times:

Now official...

       Wow!

QE2 sold to the Chinese for scrap

End of an era for the QE2: Iconic cruise liner sold as scrap to Chinese for £20m

The QE2 is set to be sold as scrap to the Chinese for £20m.

The move follows the failure of a after a last minute bid to bring it back to the famous cruise liner back to Britain as a five-star floating hotel.

The iconic ocean liner - which also served as a troop carrier during the Falklands - has been moored in a commercial port in Dubai since it was sold for £64m in 2008.

more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-liner-sold-scrap-Chinese-20m.html

       Wow!



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9781 times:

I read in the article she is going into dry dock. I would bet it is to strip her of anything saleable.


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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9778 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 19):
QE2 would need hundreds of crew as well,

Incorrect insofar as actual sailors are concerned. QE2 ran with about 50. All the rest were hotel staff.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4781 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9723 times:

Can she move under her own power still or will she need to be towed to China ?


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9718 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
Maybe he gets sea-sick

I think a megabillionaire can probably afford Dramamine, if not an entire medical staff to cure him of the ailment.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
could he risk being away from home for too long

A megabillionaire can be away from home as long as they please.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 19):
1-200 million would build appox 100m's of yacht, something like Eclipse or Octopus. QE2 would need hundreds of crew as well, the operating costs as a private yacht would be massive

Well since we're going in this direction, I'd like to make my personal yacht the rebuilt SS Normandie

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Ssnormandie_sideelevation_NYC.png/799px-Ssnormandie_sideelevation_NYC.png



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25 DocLightning : You'd have to be in a heck of a storm to rock this purpose-built ocean liner with active stabilization fins. Under most sailing conditions, a ship li
26 sunking737 : She will not be scrapped, but remodeled and turned into a troop transport for the Chinese Army.
27 NorthstarBoy : I hope you're right Sunking. The idea of the world's last purpose built trans atlantic liner being scrapped is stomach turning for a ship geek like my
28 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Doubt it. QE2 will be put in dry dock and stripped out of everything sell-able. Sales contract stated only could be sold for scrap. Quote from above
29 kiwirob : Wrong on two counts, first of all Cunard built QE2 as a hybrid liner/cruise vessel, they knew a pure liner wouldn't work in the challenging transport
30 qantas077 : From the company itself. CUNARD We have noted the messages of understandable concern with regards to the recent article in the Daily Mail with referen
31 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : There is another article about the scrappage in Arabian Business Dubai-owned QE2 said to be sold for scrap The world famous liner QE2, which has been
32 DocLightning : You are correct that after QE2, QM2 is the one remaining active purpose-built liner (she is a true liner who also can do cruise ship duty, just like
33 cruiseshipcrew : There will always be the Queen Mary in Long Beach.
34 Ps762 : Hi! Just thought I'd add a thought. Personally I think it makes sense to scrap it I guess. Are there any other cruise ships of that size or ships that
35 DocLightning : QE2 only ever ran on about 50 operating crew. The rest are hotel staff. The original Queen Mary is preserved at Long Beach.
36 Ps762 : Hi! Thanks. For some reason I forgot about that. I will have a look online. I wonder does it pay for itself or sell well and stuff. I guess this is no
37 kiwirob : I'd have more chance of becoming a brain surgeon than the SS United States doing anything other than rotting away in Philly. People need to get over
38 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Such a wondrous Ship! This traveler's web page has a number of very beautiful pictures of the QE2 inside and out. Enjoy http://timspages.blogspot.de/2
39 luv2fly : The ship sure looked dated towards the end.
40 OA260 : Indeed thought that myself. It would have needed a total refit to meet todays standards.
41 luv2fly : Not only SOLAS standards just to get the ship looking modern and fresh, compared to what is sailing. The problem that the QE2 is/was facing is a olde
42 MD11Engineer : Actually, if one country can get the old girl going again, then it is China. I assume that most of the expenses to overhaul the ship is labour costs,
43 luv2fly : That is true, though there is a clause in the contract that does not allow her to sail again as a cruise ship.
44 MD11Engineer : Contracts can be re-negotiated. And I could well imagine a clause which permits the operation as a cruise ship, but restricted to a geographical area
45 luv2fly : [quote=MD11Engineer,reply=44]Contracts can be re-negotiated. And I could well imagine a clause which permits the operation as a cruise ship, but restr
46 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Beautiful beyond words... Concorde, Red Arrows and the QE2 An Amazing video celebrating Great Britian with three of our finest icons; Concorde, The Re
47 DocLightning : Whether she still counts as a "ship" anymore is debatable. She floats, but she has no engines, only one screw, holes all over the hull near the water
48 cruiseshipcrew : I had the privilege of having an interesting conversation with Tan Sri Lim Kok Thay of Star followed by a fantastic dinner. He and a few of his partn
49 DocLightning : When I toured Legend of the Seas's galley, I saw gas stoves. Why are those not sufficient?
50 luv2fly : I think you missed the sarcasm!
51 Post contains images DocLightning : Oh. My bad!
52 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Aida Blu is docked at Port Rashid today. From webcam view to port side QE2 is still in place. http://www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=AID
53 luv2fly : Most likely what will happen is under the cover of darkness she will be towed away to keep the media at bay.
54 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : It is now dark in Dubai. Looking at the Aida Blu webcam image right now. http://www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=AIDA+blu At least one t
55 Post contains images DocLightning : MC, thank you for staying on top of this and the updates. Very resourceful of you to look up cruise ship webcams. You should be a spy!
56 Post contains links and images Skydrol : Comparing the QE2 with the QM is not fair. The QE2 is modern technology and design compared with the 1930s steam power era QM, and the QE2 lacks the
57 kiwirob : QE2 was launched with steam turbine power, when converted to diesel in the 80's she was slower.
58 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : AidaBlu hasn't left Dubai yet. Looking again at the live cam. QE2 is still in place. Funnel lights are still off. http://www.seascanner.com/img/webcam
59 babybus : I wouldn't mind getting hold of some of that furniture if it comes up for sale in the UK, especially the armchairs and sofas. I think it's a healthy
60 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Cunard (in fact Carnival Corp.) no longer own the Ship. They sold her off to Nakheel in Dubai. If Nakheel want to sell the ship for scrub they are fr
61 DocLightning : Sure it is. They are both Cunard ocean liners. They are of different generations and were born with different functions in mind (QM was built as tran
62 ME AVN FAN : Rather sad. I hoped that it would become a kind of mixed hotel-museum somewhere. Those Chinese are NOT as good in business actually as I hoped they w
63 Post contains images MadameConcorde : There are 1 day old beautiful sharp pictures of the Ship in Dubai that came up today. They are visible here: QE2 The Legend - the greatest ship ever
64 ME AVN FAN : This is an interesting aspect. If you simply want to scrap a ship, you do not have to cover things up in secrecy. Will the ship be taken apart somewh
65 DocLightning : Possibly. But it seems to me that if they were simply going to haul her off to Alang for scrapping, she would have departed by now.
66 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : We don't know what's happening aside from the Chinese crew taking over the ship and the V-Ships crew being sent back home from one day to the next. T
67 luv2fly : I'm sure the Chinese offer is WAY more than the UK. And I am sure some money is better than no money. Why not sell her to the highest bidder. When yo
68 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Not. At least not if Nakheel still holds the ownership title. Cunard and Nakheel flags exchanged as QE2 settles into her new home in Dubai United Ara
69 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Another live cam of the Deira Corniche with Port Rashid in the background. There is a lot of smog. Click on the picture to maximize. Seems that the pi
70 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : A friend who used to work on board the ship sent me this pdf document this morning. QE2 as a floating hotel in Hong Kong Iconic Historic Legendary ht
71 DocLightning : This listed the announcement date as 20th October 2012 and the launch date as 20th December 2012, so I'm not sure whether this plan is delayed or can
72 tugger : Then there is hope. Actually this sounds possible as the only place something like this will make sense is where land is incredibly expensive and lim
73 KiwiRob : Maybe she'll do us all a favour catch fire and sink in Victoria Harbour like her illustrious predecessor.
74 DocLightning : A favor? Surely not! But yes, the Queen Elizabeth does come to mind when one talks about converted old Cunarders in Victoria Harbor.
75 cruiseshipcrew : I never really cared much for the QE2. I always thought the SS France/SS Norway was a far more beautiful ship.
76 luv2fly : The problem with old ships is, they are like old movie stars, you remember them young, pretty, hot full of life, and then you see them later in life a
77 dc10bhx : And I have an original photo of the three icons in formation on my office wall. Signed by the Captain of the QE2, the flight crew of Concorde and the
78 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Aida Blu is in Dubai. Looking at the live cam feed right now. QE2 is in total darkness. No Ship lights, no funnel lights either. http://www.seascanner
79 DocLightning : She does now.[Edited 2013-01-10 22:31:34]
80 DocLightning : So she's gone from ShipTracker again, but there is now a landmark called "RMS Queen Elizabeth 2." Did she have the "RMS" title? I know QM2 does not. N
81 NASCARAirforce : Cant they dock it in some harbor and turn it into a museum and charge admission? Too bad some private British outfit couldn't buy it to save it.
82 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I don't think QE2 was ever RMS. I will have to ask Richard Woodall, Capt. Woodall's son. http://www.beyondships.com/QE2Tour-captains.html I am sure h
83 KiwiRob : QE2 was designated MS, but you are wrong about Queen Mary 2, she is RMS Queen Mary 2. There are currently four ships with the RMS designation.
84 DocLightning : I stand corrected.
85 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I spotted one on sale on ebay. In fact the sale is ending today. No bidders yet. Hefty price but a nice one with the signatures - not the one we usua
86 Post contains links na : http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cr...-news/8515-qe2-back-to-the-uk.html
87 KiwiRob : As if London needs another high end hotel, especially one which will be a fair ways away from central London and the City, with very small rooms.
88 luv2fly : Look at what a struggle the Queen Mary has been, it never has been the attraction that they thought it would be. This will fail as well.
89 KiwiRob : Completely agree, also the QM is a far more attractive and luxurious ship than QE2 has ever been. It would have to be moored downstream from Tower Br
90 KiwiRob : To answer my own question the max depth of the Thames Barrier through gate E is 5.8m, QE2 has a draft of 9.8m, so no show for being moored in London
91 na : No doubt about that. The original Queen Mary ranks as one of the two most important liners ever. Only the Normandie could rival it. I would say, its
92 dc10bhx : I have just had a look at that one. My one is an overhead shot with the Arrows flying in front with Concorde sitting in formation with the QEII paral
93 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I suppose this is the one you are talking about. This one is also signed by all Arrows + Manager, QE2 Captain and 3 Concorde crew. http://www.ebay.co
94 luv2fly : Have you seen the ship, it is so sad the way it has been chopped up and turn into conference space and such. It is better to remember them how they w
95 na : I´ve been on it, yes. The outside and most of the major public rooms are largely unchanged, and that is what counts. The ship still looks stunning.
96 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : QE2 was moved to dry dock this morning. I was told by a contact so I could watch the whole move live on the ship tracker. I have 25 screen shots inclu
97 EA CO AS : From the press release: We have firmed up with an international tourist city in the Far East as her first destination. First destination? So the QE2
98 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Looks like it. They've got big plans. Now as to if it will all work according to their plans that's a whole different story! I am eying a job opportu
99 na : Some good news at last. Lets hope they dont change her outer shape in the process, and leave the major public rooms as they are/were. Go for it!
100 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : These places in Asia have a history for cheap labour. I am not getting excited yet. Let's wait and see what will happen with the ship. The ship towed
101 luv2fly : I think they are sending her to he people who paid the money.
102 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I have just spotted this article on one of the UAE newspaper's site: Queen Elizabeth 2 bound for Asia to become a 500-room floating hotel The historic
103 na : I read somewhere today that the "final" destination is Singapore.
104 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Maybe for refit. Not sure if there is space for her at the brand new cruise terminal. I would rather Singapore than Hong Kong. Singapore does not get
105 na : Not quite right. In the end thats what will attract many visitors at least. With a historically less significant ship they wont make the big business
106 Post contains links na : http://www.qe2hotels.com/new/www/hotel.php The homepage shows the silhouette of Hongkong. A few excellently renderings of the project. I would hate ch
107 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I was thinking... what if the Chinese made blueprints of everything that exists on the ship technical and non-technical, big and small (including all
108 luv2fly : The Chinese paid the asking price. Why should Dubai not get what they put into it. If it was so important to London then put up the money. Show me th
109 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : News release video from BBC South The futre of QE2 BBCSouthTodayBBCSouthToday The world's most famous passenger ship has gone into a dry dock in Dubai
110 tugger : Looking at the pictures, and just blindly assuming they are accurate, potholes will not work. I would not rent an expensive room with a "to die for l
111 KiwiRob : There aren't 500 rooms with balconies on QE2, she might stay looking the same externally but to bring her up to the standards of a modern 5 star hote
112 tugger : OK, I was wondering that but wasn't sure. And I'll say it again, portholes alone for the rooms as they are won't work for any serious attempt at maki
113 luv2fly : Even if it was new it would not meet SOLAS standards, if it was an exact replica.
114 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is QE2 being towed from Port Rashid to Dubai dry docks 17 January. I am counting 5 tugs on the picture. There are probably more tugs than this o
115 luv2fly : That doesn't matter since she is not being sold as a cruise per say. SOLAS standards only apply when the ship is sold to passengers as a cruise.
116 Post contains images MadameConcorde : A couple more screen shots I took during the move. QE2 being towed away from the pier at Port Rashid on 2013 01 17 This is the AIS ship tracker pictur
117 na : Thanks for keeping us updated. Comment: maybe its best to rename this thread now its no longer true.
118 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I think it is better to wait for more confirmations about the Ship's future from Oceanic Group and Dubai World. It should not be too long until we fi
119 DocLightning : The article says that the refit will be done in Asia. So I am guessing that means China. I named it, so I just requested a re-name from the Mods. See
120 Post contains images MadameConcorde : We don't know. This is all plans. A deal was sealed between two parties. Ship is in now at dry dock 3 in Dubai for sea worthiness inspection. As for
121 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The futre of QE2 BBCSouthToday This man may be right. What if the deal with Oceanic Group is not yet finalized? Knowing Dubai it could be anything, re
122 KiwiRob : The P&O Liner SS Oriana was preserved as a hotel and convention centre in Japan then later on in China, she was badly damaged in a typhoon so the
123 Post contains links Braniff747SP : CNN says that it'll be moored in Asia as a hotel: http://travel.cnn.com/new-home-queen-elizabeth-2-764401?hpt=ieu_mid
124 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Thank you for posting. The CNN article is a rehash of this http://www.drydocks.gov.ae/en/news/grang.qe.aspx and this http://www.theoceanicgroup.com/e
125 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This just came in via a contact on FB. This is the first picture of the QE2 in dry dock. http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBT8IG5CcAMvMSF.jpg The man on the
126 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Another picture of QE2 in dry dock was posted on FB today via Liam Fjellstedt. This is the picture. BinLadin Contracting?? Another QE2 in dry dock pic
127 Post contains links Braniff747SP : Saudi Binladin (assuming it's the same as above) is the biggest contractor on the world... Yes, Osama's family. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Bi
128 DocLightning : Interesting. The props appear to be in very good condition for having just sat motionless in a bay for years. I'd forgotten about her. She was a very
129 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Quote: "Over time, the organization kept pace with the growth and progress that the Kingdom has led. By the time of late Salem M. Binladin, the compa
130 KiwiRob : It was never a P&O feature, the SS Oriana was ordered by Orient Steam Navigation Company, she was their last newbuild before they merged with P&a
131 Braniff747SP : I'm aware. All I was saying was that it's not terrorists being displayed on the sign.
132 Post contains images MadameConcorde : He was the black sheep and even worse. He must have been quite an embarrassment for the whole family.
133 KiwiRob : I'm sure most of the family were pretty proud of him, they were giving him money supporting his activities.
134 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I am not aware of this. Any way, OBL is dead and gone so let's keep this on topic. At almost every large construction site in Dubai you will find the
135 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : QE2 was moved out of dry dock at some time this morning. Today was Dock 3 Day 12 She is now outside not moving. From the sat image on the AIS ship tra
136 DocLightning : P&O state that the tiered rear decks are a signature element of their ships on their website. Certainly might be that the It's a common enough na
137 Quokkas : How else would you expect things to occur. If you go to do some shopping, do you post it on the web first? Should I advise everyone if I want to draw
138 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Update on QE2 The ship was for 13 days in dry dock. It is known that her hull was cleaned but no other news have filtered on what else was done. 2 day
139 tugger : Generally you do not clean the hull of a ship you are going to scrap do you? Tugg
140 KiwiRob : She probably needed a hull inspection before moving her to wherever she's going, to do a full inspection they have to clean it.
141 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is the latest picture of the Ship in Wet Dock 8 right by Dry Dock 3 where she was before. https://twitter.com/nicholassabalos/status/299015104849
142 Post contains images MadameConcorde : QE2 Position Update Status: MOORED Time: 08.02.2013 11:00 Port: Dubai Berth : Dubai Dry Dock Lat: N 25° 15.04' Lon: E 055° 15.79' Moored since: 08.0
143 raffik : It is sad that the ship is ending its life like this but we have to remember the enormous costs accumulated to keep it sea worthy and operational. Ren
144 na : May I ask why? I have only been on the QM2 twice and its my favourite ship, its just much more beautiful than QE and QV. My girlfriend was on QV (QEs
145 Post contains images MadameConcorde : QE2 moored on her 19th day at Berth 8 and is now 33 days at Dubai Docks No information has filtered since the announcement of the joint venture betwee
146 United Airline : No chance to save her at the last minute?
147 luv2fly : save her? what are you talking about?
148 DocLightning : She is being saved, we think. She is never going back into service. The first 747 will be back in service before that happens. Either she becomes a p
149 United Airline : dint want her to be scrapped
150 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I would rather QE2 be sold for the cost of metal than seeing her being totally defaced inside or outside. Today was her 21th day at Berth 8 and is no
151 kiwirob : That's what they are going to do. Once they have added all the features customers expect from high end hotels she won't look the same, I've been sayi
152 na : Well, they would be fools to change the major public rooms or the outside appearance. But to turn it into a luxury hotel they have to change the majo
153 raffik : The Queen Elizabeth is very ornate- light, airy with beautiful magnificent staircases. Absolutely crammed to the rafters with art deco fittings, imma
154 na : Ok, understood. I agree with you that the Kings Court (the huge buffet reataurant on deck 7 of QM2) is a letdown. It doesnt fit to the rest of the ma
155 raffik : I agree- it is down to taste. The QM2 is externally nicer but for interior fittings, I think the QM2 is showing its age in places inside. To be hones
156 MD-90 : Obviously the correct solution to this conundrum is to take a cruise on each liner.
157 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : From Louis de Souza QE2 Dubai Dry Docks These pictures are just a few days old - all taken 21st February 2013 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ex-crewmemb
158 Post contains images raffik : I have
159 na : Not exactly heartbreaking as dust is normal after a few years of storage. Also there are number of photos of rooms that passengers never saw. But its
160 luv2fly : How dated she looks and structurally nothing can be done to change the appearance of the old gal. This is why you should have memories and not the rea
161 garpd : They missed a trick here. Had they done with the QE2 what they did with the Queen Mary, only in London, they could have created jobs, a tourist attrac
162 kiwirob : What's heartbreaking is that up until a few years ago people paid good money to travel on such an old POS, she really was looking amazingly outdated
163 na : Outdated, sure. But the harshness of you post can only come from someone never been on the ship. I sailed on QE2 in her last year, and she was in goo
164 raffik : Absolutely agree. And coupled with Cunard's absolutely outstanding White Star Service, cruising on any of the company's graceful liners is a wonderfu
165 kiwirob : Been on-board QE2 but not on a cruise, I'm interested in ships, but cruising isn't something that interests me, especially cruising on-board a vessel
166 na : I hate fancy gimmicks, and the trends "all" seem to follow are not for me. You´ll certainly not see me on a Caribbean monster"fun"ship filled with p
167 raffik : Well, I was 28 when I took my first Cunard cruise on Elizabeth and 30 on my last cruise on QM2 in November. There were many people around my age on t
168 kiwirob : I used to work for NCR in NZ, QE2 came into Auckland with a broken ATM, this needed to be repaired, I escorted the NCR ATM engineer onboard (I was th
169 Post contains links OA260 : Were you on the mini cruise or the TATL voyage? I ask because I was on the 20th November Southampton to New York. My TR is just up and here for anyon
170 na : Great report, thank you. Knowing all you are shwoing, it brings back memories, though a TA is still ahead of me. This years QM2 cruise will likely be
171 raffik : Yep, on the 4 night Channel Islands and France - they were offering a package to stay on the ship and continue to New York for £199 per person which
172 kiwirob : Seriously why Norway, if we're lucky we get about 3-4 weeks of decent sun each summer, most of the time it rains, lookings at fjords in the rain (I l
173 na : For once I am not after the summer-sunshine holiday. Thats different this year. It´ll be my secondary holiday. Second, because of the weather and th
174 kiwirob : Go to Sweden, much cheaper and nicer weather.
175 Post contains images OA260 : Thanks alot Im glad you like it. I have re read it a few times and just brings back so many good memories. Arr ok I thought we may have been on the s
176 DocLightning : It is the only liner! The rest are merely beefed-up cruise ships. QM2 crashes through the seas at about 30 kn, just like her predecessors. The rest s
177 kiwirob : There are two, MS Marco Polo is still operating, she was built as an ocean liner for the Baltic Shipping Companies regular trans-Atlantic service bet
178 Post contains images MadameConcorde : QE2 moored on her 28th day at Berth 8 and is now 42 days at Dubai Docks
179 kiwirob : Unless you have anythihg interesting to report I doubt anyone cares how long she's been moored at Berth 8. Now if you're reporting that they are star
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