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Fate of the QE2  
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9497 times:

According to a QE2-dedicated Facebook page I follow (this isn't being reported in any news media I can find), the QE2's current maintenance crew has been ordered to vacate the ship and they will be replaced by a Chinese crew.

When QE2 was sold by Cunard, part of the contract was that she could not be sold to any foreign interest for ten years unless said interest was a scrapping outfit. The obvious conclusion is that she has been sold to a foreign interest. The general concern is that this is the beginning of the end for the Queen.

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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9477 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
The general concern is that this is the beginning of the end for the Queen.

About time too.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9465 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
When QE2 was sold by Cunard, part of the contract was that she could not be sold to any foreign interest for ten years unless said interest was a scrapping outfit.

We must be following the same Facebook page.

I was in Dubai most recently. I hovered around there with my binoculars but I did not detect any signs of anything unusual on board the Ship. This is a sudden decision it seems.

If they were going to move the Ship to a destination other than the breakers yard they would have retained the V-Ships crew on board. V-Ships is not Dubai based. Their HQs are in Fontvieile, Monaco.

Breakers yard seems the most plausible.

Sheikh Mohammed probably decided that he'd be better off not having her around anymore. An idle historical Ship sitting in the harbour represents too much bad publicity for his little Empire.

We will know soon.

   Wow!  

[Edited 2012-12-18 10:54:30]


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9409 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Sheikh Mohammed probably decided that he'd be better off not having her around anymore. An idle historical Ship sitting in the harbour represents too much bad publicity for his little Empire.

I think they have realised that they weren't going to make any money off QE2 so they are better of cutting losses and scrapping her.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
We must be following the same Facebook page.

I think you referred to me it, IIRC.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
Sheikh Mohammed probably decided that he'd be better off not having her around anymore. An idle historical Ship sitting in the harbour represents too much bad publicity for his little Empire.

I wonder why he didn't convert her into his own personal yacht. It would give him the largest private yacht in the world, a veritable floating palace.

I mean, if I had tens of billions of dollars, it's what I'd do.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26480 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9372 times:

Shame it didn't get made into a hotel with service similar to what you used to get TATL. I guess some things are just not meant to be.


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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9357 times:

I was really shocked that she ended up where she did! You have a country area that really embraces all things new and flashy and the QE2 is anything but.


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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
I think they have realised that they weren't going to make any money off QE2 so they are better of cutting losses and scrapping her.

Agreed and even just sitting there it is taking up space that could be more beneficially used as the port facilities are enhanced to accommodate a growing number of cruise arrivals.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
It would give him the largest private yacht in the world, a veritable floating palace.

Maybe he gets sea-sick and could he risk being away from home for too long? Besides, how's he going to land the 744 on deck?  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9238 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 6):
I was really shocked that she ended up where she did! You have a country area that really embraces all things new and flashy and the QE2 is anything but.

I was at sea in the flotilla on the day she arrived in Dubai and got to see her there many times afterwards. She never quite fitted the scene. Dubai has a high number of luxury and super-luxury hotels. No one would ever think of spending time in a refitted "Hotel QE2" in that ugly harbour in the middle of freighter boats and harbour condrum.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
a growing number of cruise arrivals.

I have never seen more than two in one day- There's space - that is not the real problem.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
Besides, how's he going to land the 744 on deck?

Sheikh Mo has one of the world's most beautiful and most lavish private yachts and he can make his any helicopter he wishes. Roman Abramovich's new toy is only 5 meters longer at the most and probably no more luxurious than Sheikh Mo's yacht.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/exp...al-yachts-in-pictures.html?image=2

His son Crown Prince Hamdan also has his own toy - yacht Dubawi. A beautiful beast!
http://www.superyachts.com/motor-yacht-2551/dubawi.htm

They don't need to have the QE2 refitted for personal use. They can have new personal yachts built on demand any day.

It was a Chinese Crew on the RMS Queen Elizabeth in 1972.

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

Too late to edit
Live from Port Rashid via AIS
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/def...x=30&centery=25&zoom=2&level1=140#

QE2 is live on the AIS ship tracker. If the link does not take you directly you can type in Dubai in the geographic locator and you will see the Ship inside Port Rashid.

Flag: Vanuatu
Ship Type: Passenger
Status: Anchored/Moored
Speed/Course: 0 kn / 0˚
Length x Breadth: 293 m X 36 m
Draught: 9.3 m
Destination: DUBAI
Received (49): 0h 1min ago
(AIS Source: Mubarak Marine LLC)
Show Vessel's Track
Distance to..

Source says "Mubarak Marine LLC" I wonder who could they be?... Probably just providing position.

It seems she has plenty of activity right around her. I see 3 cargo and a couple of unspecified right on the same pier.
Royal yachts Dubai and Dubawi are moored at an angle a bit further up.

Ship would need tugs to be moved. I don't see any signs of them but they could be brought in whenever.
Maybe it's not time yet.

I don't see any cruise ships in port.

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/def...x=30&centery=25&zoom=2&level1=140#

Any Anetters flying in please get pictures - left side of the aircraft on landing. Gets some good views.

     



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9149 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I wonder why he didn't convert her into his own personal yacht. It would give him the largest private yacht in the world, a veritable floating palace.

I mean, if I had tens of billions of dollars, it's what I'd do

It would probably take most of those tens of billions to do that... 



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9124 times:

Transmission of vessels positioning are being turned off for the night with fewer transmissions from QE2. The last one back 52 minutes. Can see no more tugs or cargo vessels. Need to wait til tomorrow morning to see how many tug boats are there waiting.

    



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 10):
It would probably take most of those tens of billions to do that...

No. It could probably be done for about $1-200M depending on how lavish he wants the decor to be. The ship herself is in good shape, so it's really just a decorating job. She was retired because she is so inefficient for passenger service. But for a Sheikh with essentially unlimited funds who can fly his own 744 around, who cares?

Now, if he wants to replace the engines or screws, then we're starting to talk about some serious money.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13249 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9036 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Quoting moose135 (Reply 10):
It would probably take most of those tens of billions to do that...

No. It could probably be done for about $1-200M depending on how lavish he wants the decor to be. The ship herself is in good shape, so it's really just a decorating job.

If I were that mega-wealthy and wanted to convert a passenger ship into a personal vessel, my choice would be the former M/S Sovereign of the Seas. Gorgeous ship.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9028 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 13):
If I were that mega-wealthy and wanted to convert a passenger ship into a personal vessel, my choice would be the former M/S Sovereign of the Seas. Gorgeous ship.

The centrum would be an amazing throne room.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8989 times:

Could the presence of dredgers in the section of the harbour where the QE2 is indicate that they are working on clearing passage for the ship to leave the harbour?

Spotted three large tugs and a number of dredgers on AIS the last couple of days.

Any naval ops experts here?

    



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8867 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
His son Crown Prince Hamdan also has his own toy - yacht Dubawi. A beautiful beast!

I don't like the look of that. It's a bit 'in yer face'. The interior looks like a cheap nightclub from the 1970s.

How could anyone think of scrapping the QE2? It's a floating work of art.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8856 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
How could anyone think of scrapping the QE2? It's a floating work of art.

There's rumours going around that she's been sold to a Chinese company.
This is just some people talking. There is no official confirmation.

I have my doubts. The sales contract from Canival to her Dubai owners stated only can be sold for scrub - not for any other reason.

Suppose she is sent to the breaker's - would there be any way to recoop some ship parts (preferably small) for collectible purpose?

Why wouldn't they have an auction of anything QE2-wise that would please collectors or former passengers? Could be benefit some charity.

The Air France and British Airways Concorde auctions brought in a lot of money.

    



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8820 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17):
Quoting babybus (Reply 16):
How could anyone think of scrapping the QE2? It's a floating work of art.

There's rumours going around that she's been sold to a Chinese company.
This is just some people talking. There is no official confirmation.

Sad to think she's going to be turned into razor blades or something along those lines. Beautiful ship.

My big trek through Europe and ME 75-76: when I left London, where I was living, weighed 168 lb (12 stone), when I got back, 142 lb (10 stone, 2lb). Thanks to the fabulous food on QE2, I think I gained a fair bit of that before I got back to Winnipeg. If I'd shown up at home weighing 142 my mother would have had a stroke. I looked like a wraith at 142.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8817 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):

No. It could probably be done for about $1-200M depending on how lavish he wants the decor to be. The ship herself is in good shape, so it's really just a decorating job. She was retired because she is so inefficient for passenger service. But for a Sheikh with essentially unlimited funds who can fly his own 744 around, who cares?

1-200 million would build appox 100m's of yacht, something like Eclipse or Octopus. QE2 would need hundreds of crew as well, the operating costs as a private yacht would be massive, it would also be far to expensive to put on the charter market. I think at least 500 million would be needed to convert the ship to a private yacht.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8810 times:

Now official...

       Wow!

QE2 sold to the Chinese for scrap

End of an era for the QE2: Iconic cruise liner sold as scrap to Chinese for £20m

The QE2 is set to be sold as scrap to the Chinese for £20m.

The move follows the failure of a after a last minute bid to bring it back to the famous cruise liner back to Britain as a five-star floating hotel.

The iconic ocean liner - which also served as a troop carrier during the Falklands - has been moored in a commercial port in Dubai since it was sold for £64m in 2008.

more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-liner-sold-scrap-Chinese-20m.html

       Wow!



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8700 times:

I read in the article she is going into dry dock. I would bet it is to strip her of anything saleable.


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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8697 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 19):
QE2 would need hundreds of crew as well,

Incorrect insofar as actual sailors are concerned. QE2 ran with about 50. All the rest were hotel staff.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4057 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8642 times:

Can she move under her own power still or will she need to be towed to China ?


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8637 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
Maybe he gets sea-sick

I think a megabillionaire can probably afford Dramamine, if not an entire medical staff to cure him of the ailment.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 7):
could he risk being away from home for too long

A megabillionaire can be away from home as long as they please.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 19):
1-200 million would build appox 100m's of yacht, something like Eclipse or Octopus. QE2 would need hundreds of crew as well, the operating costs as a private yacht would be massive

Well since we're going in this direction, I'd like to make my personal yacht the rebuilt SS Normandie

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Ssnormandie_sideelevation_NYC.png/799px-Ssnormandie_sideelevation_NYC.png



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 24):
I think a megabillionaire can probably afford Dramamine, if not an entire medical staff to cure him of the ailment.

You'd have to be in a heck of a storm to rock this purpose-built ocean liner with active stabilization fins. Under most sailing conditions, a ship like QE2 would usually feel as steady as a rock under your feet. Especially if you were amidships.

You'd need to be really sensitive or in a really bad storm to have the QE2's motion bothering you while at sea.


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8661 times:

She will not be scrapped, but remodeled and turned into a troop transport for the Chinese Army.


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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1810 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8678 times:
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I hope you're right Sunking. The idea of the world's last purpose built trans atlantic liner being scrapped is stomach turning for a ship geek like myself.


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 26):
remodeled and turned into a troop transport for the Chinese Army.

Doubt it.

QE2 will be put in dry dock and stripped out of everything sell-able.

Sales contract stated only could be sold for scrap.

Quote from above linked article:
When Istithmar – part of the state conglomerate Dubai World - bought the QE2 from Cunard in 2007 it agreed it would not sell it on for at least ten years.
But a source close to Dubai World said he believed ‘a contract modification could be agreed’ allowing it to be sold on for scrap.

You can only sell scrap metal by Ton if it's in manageable chunks. Breaking down a ship that big will take a lot of work. The Chinese will probably hawk her out to some place like this in Bangladesh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGDZiWwF_V0

 Wow!



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 27):
The idea of the world's last purpose built trans atlantic liner being scrapped is stomach turning for a ship geek like myself.

Wrong on two counts, first of all Cunard built QE2 as a hybrid liner/cruise vessel, they knew a pure liner wouldn't work in the challenging transport environment of the 60's and then Cunard went and built QM2 which was also a hybrid liner/cruise vessel.


User currently offlineqantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5825 posts, RR: 41
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

From the company itself.

CUNARD
We have noted the messages of understandable concern with regards to the recent article in the Daily Mail with reference to QE2. We remain in close contact with Dubai and can reassure you that to the very best of our knowledge this story is pure speculation - one of a number of stories and rumours as we have seen over recent months. Our best advice would be to ignore the story.

Best regards,
Cunard Line.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

There is another article about the scrappage in Arabian Business

Dubai-owned QE2 said to be sold for scrap

The world famous liner QE2, which has been moored in Dubai since 2008, is reportedly to be sold for scrap to a Chinese firm.

more here:
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/dubai...said-be-sold-for-scrap-483752.html

Dubai was always secretive about the Ship's whereabouts from Day 1 til now. I don't think they will change so few chances we might know what's going on.

        



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8484 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 29):
Wrong on two counts, first of all Cunard built QE2 as a hybrid liner/cruise vessel, they knew a pure liner wouldn't work in the challenging transport environment of the 60's and then Cunard went and built QM2 which was also a hybrid liner/cruise vessel.

You are correct that after QE2, QM2 is the one remaining active purpose-built liner (she is a true liner who also can do cruise ship duty, just like QE2). However SS United States still floats and, while her future is uncertain, she also has yet to be scrapped.


User currently offlinecruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 32):
However SS United States still floats and, while her future is uncertain, she also has yet to be scrapped.

There will always be the Queen Mary in Long Beach.



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8404 times:

Hi!

Just thought I'd add a thought. Personally I think it makes sense to scrap it I guess. Are there any other cruise ships of that size or ships that size which have been sucessfully turned into attractions and made a profit? Maybe the cost of maintenance is just too high I don't know. Plus I think the kinda people who would be more interested in reliving the Qe2 experience would probably be Europeans or Americans maybe rather than the population of Dubai but I really don't know.

I am very happy that I once got to see the Qe2 set sail from Southampton from the viewing gallery they used to have (before 911) right by the ship up high. I sat watching it loading for hours and then when it left with the people by the pool on the back with the reggae band playing it really was cool.

Maybe with lower maintence one day someone might be able to make a museum or walk through experience for kids or something who knows. Unlike many other cruise liners I don't think the Qe2 will be forgotten for a while (although there were many other great cruise ships and ships which have been built and operated very successfully too).

Many thanks!


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8391 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 19):
1-200 million would build appox 100m's of yacht, something like Eclipse or Octopus. QE2 would need hundreds of crew as well, the operating costs as a private yacht would be massive, it would also be far to expensive to put on the charter market. I think at least 500 million would be needed to convert the ship to a private yacht.

QE2 only ever ran on about 50 operating crew. The rest are hotel staff.

Quoting Ps762 (Reply 34):
Just thought I'd add a thought. Personally I think it makes sense to scrap it I guess. Are there any other cruise ships of that size or ships that size which have been sucessfully turned into attractions and made a profit?

The original Queen Mary is preserved at Long Beach.


User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8384 times:

Hi!

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 35):
The original Queen Mary is preserved at Long Beach.

Thanks. For some reason I forgot about that. I will have a look online. I wonder does it pay for itself or sell well and stuff. I guess this is not the same part of Long Beach I hear about in Snoop Doggie Dog records!

Sounds interesting though. Thanks.


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 32):
However SS United States still floats and, while her future is uncertain, she also has yet to be scrapped.

I'd have more chance of becoming a brain surgeon than the SS United States doing anything other than rotting away in Philly. People need to get over there attachments to these old hulks, they will never return to service and should be scrapped, especially in the case of the SS United States she should have gone to the wreckers decades ago.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

Such a wondrous Ship!

This traveler's web page has a number of very beautiful pictures of the QE2 inside and out.

Enjoy

http://timspages.blogspot.de/2012/03...ages-1999-2003-each-year-from.html

     



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8270 times:

The ship sure looked dated towards the end.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26480 posts, RR: 58
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8165 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 39):
The ship sure looked dated towards the end.

Indeed thought that myself. It would have needed a total refit to meet todays standards.



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8156 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 40):
Indeed thought that myself. It would have needed a total refit to meet todays standards.



Not only SOLAS standards just to get the ship looking modern and fresh, compared to what is sailing. The problem that the QE2 is/was facing is a older ship which cost to run and maintain are increasing, an older fan base that is dying off and had it kept sailing a real need to discount in order to fill up the ship. So it had stuff working against the old girl. Having worked for NCL when we had the Norway it was the same problems we were facing filling her weekly sailings.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13792 posts, RR: 63
Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 41):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 40):
Indeed thought that myself. It would have needed a total refit to meet todays standards.



Not only SOLAS standards just to get the ship looking modern and fresh, compared to what is sailing. The problem that the QE2 is/was facing is a older ship which cost to run and maintain are increasing, an older fan base that is dying off and had it kept sailing a real need to discount in order to fill up the ship. So it had stuff working against the old girl. Having worked for NCL when we had the Norway it was the same problems we were facing filling her weekly sailings.

Actually, if one country can get the old girl going again, then it is China. I assume that most of the expenses to overhaul the ship is labour costs, which would be prohibitive in the West. But labour costs in China are a lot lower and they theoretically could throw thousands of workers on clearing out thze ship and installing a new interior. They could also rebuild the technical systems much cheaper than we could over here.

Jan


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8135 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 42):
Actually, if one country can get the old girl going again, then it is China. I assume that most of the expenses to overhaul the ship is labour costs, which would be prohibitive in the West. But labour costs in China are a lot lower and they theoretically could throw thousands of workers on clearing out thze ship and installing a new interior. They could also rebuild the technical systems much cheaper than we could over here.

Jan

That is true, though there is a clause in the contract that does not allow her to sail again as a cruise ship.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13792 posts, RR: 63
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8133 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 43):
That is true, though there is a clause in the contract that does not allow her to sail again as a cruise ship.

Contracts can be re-negotiated. And I could well imagine a clause which permits the operation as a cruise ship, but restricted to a geographical area, e.g. the Indo-Pacific. China has an increasing middle class, who also like to travel and maybe get interested in cruise trips.
And not everybody likes the modern floating shopping malls with attached hotels.

Jan


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

[quote=MD11Engineer,reply=44]Contracts can be re-negotiated. And I could well imagine a clause which permits the operation as a cruise ship, but restricted to a geographical area, e.g. the Indo-Pacific. China has an increasing middle class, who also like to travel and maybe get interested in cruise trips.
And not everybody likes the modern floating shopping malls with attached hotels.

Jan

Anything is possible, though I think in this case it would be a hard task to make happen. Carnival Corp would fight tooth and nail to keep this ship from sailing. Also you are correct not everyone likes the mega ships, though people want more features than this old girl can offer.

And there is currently a cruise company catering to all the Asians that enjoy cruises, Star Cruises.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8132 times:

Beautiful beyond words...

Concorde, Red Arrows and the QE2

An Amazing video celebrating Great Britian with three of our finest icons; Concorde, The Red Arrows and the famous QE2 (Queen Elizabeth 2) cruise liner, at one point all three can be seen in one shot, it is utterly breathtaking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnMzinoYrlg

Capt. David Leney and Capt. Jock Lowe flying the Queen of the Skies in formation with the Reds and the magnificent QE2 (Queen of the Seas) sailing right below!!! Pure magic!!!!

              

[Edited 2012-12-26 09:50:34]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Quoting cruiseshipcrew (Reply 33):
There will always be the Queen Mary in Long Beach.

Whether she still counts as a "ship" anymore is debatable. She floats, but she has no engines, only one screw, holes all over the hull near the waterline for ease of boarding, and she is in a completely closed dock that would need to be radically modified to tow her out.

Whether the world needs two such floating museums to a bygone era when ships and not airplanes carried people across the sea is debatable.


User currently offlinecruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8115 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 44):
China has an increasing middle class, who also like to travel and maybe get interested in cruise trips.
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 45):
And there is currently a cruise company catering to all the Asians that enjoy cruises, Star Cruises.

I had the privilege of having an interesting conversation with Tan Sri Lim Kok Thay of Star followed by a fantastic dinner. He and a few of his partners had interesting comments about the Chinese cruise market. A large part of their limitation is not being able to cook with woks and open flames in the kitchen. He said this is one of the main reasons the Chinese market will not explode.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8123 times:

Quoting cruiseshipcrew (Reply 48):
I had the privilege of having an interesting conversation with Tan Sri Lim Kok Thay of Star followed by a fantastic dinner. He and a few of his partners had interesting comments about the Chinese cruise market. A large part of their limitation is not being able to cook with woks and open flames in the kitchen. He said this is one of the main reasons the Chinese market will not explode.

When I toured Legend of the Seas's galley, I saw gas stoves. Why are those not sufficient?


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 49):
When I toured Legend of the Seas's galley, I saw gas stoves. Why are those not sufficient?



I think you missed the sarcasm!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 50):

I think you missed the sarcasm!

Oh. My bad!  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7986 times:

Aida Blu is docked at Port Rashid today.

From webcam view to port side QE2 is still in place.

http://www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=AIDA+blu



        



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7965 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 52):
Aida Blu is docked at Port Rashid today.

From webcam view to port side QE2 is still in place.

Most likely what will happen is under the cover of darkness she will be towed away to keep the media at bay.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7955 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 53):
Most likely what will happen is under the cover of darkness she will be towed away to keep the media at bay.


It is now dark in Dubai.

Looking at the Aida Blu webcam image right now.

http://www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=AIDA+blu

At least one thing has changed.
The funnel lights are off.

      

[Edited 2012-12-27 07:50:20]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 55, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7930 times:

MC, thank you for staying on top of this and the updates. Very resourceful of you to look up cruise ship webcams. You should be a spy!  

User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 929 posts, RR: 10
Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7844 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 47):
Quoting cruiseshipcrew (Reply 33):
There will always be the Queen Mary in Long Beach.

Whether she still counts as a "ship" anymore is debatable. She floats, but she has no engines, only one screw, holes all over the hull near the waterline for ease of boarding, and she is in a completely closed dock that would need to be radically modified to tow her out.

Comparing the QE2 with the QM is not fair. The QE2 is modern technology and design compared with the 1930s steam power era QM, and the QE2 lacks the amazing art deco interior and cabins of the QM (last in the world of its kind):

800 foot long corridors, port and starboard


Original Bar, still in use today

http://www.uppet.com/images/Room2.jpg
Original cabins are now the hotel rooms

And one of the stairways has etched glass panels with a transportation theme from horse carriages to space ships and features an airplane: http://knille.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/img_93101.jpg (image is too large to link here)

Quote:
Whether the world needs two such floating museums to a bygone era when ships and not airplanes carried people across the sea is debatable.

Well, at least people who are interested in this type of history should give the Queen Mary a visit when in LAX / LGB. The ship is 75 years old and needs all the business (and profit) it can get to continue restoration and preservation to keep it around for the next generation to appreciate.



  

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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 56):
The QE2 is modern technology and design compared with the 1930s steam power era QM

QE2 was launched with steam turbine power, when converted to diesel in the 80's she was slower.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7739 times:

AidaBlu hasn't left Dubai yet. Looking again at the live cam.
QE2 is still in place. Funnel lights are still off.

http://www.seascanner.com/img/webcams/192_3.jpg?1356721563

http://www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=AIDA+blu

I wonder if the Chinese crew leaves the Ship at night.
The former V-Ships crew always kept the funnel lights on since after they took control of QE2.vf

From the AIS ship tracker:

QUEEN ELIZABETH 2
Flag: Vanuatu
Ship Type: Passenger
Status: Anchored/Moored
Speed/Course: 0 kn / 0˚
Length x Breadth: 293 m X 36 m
Draught: 9.3 m
Destination: DUBAI
Received (49): 0h 41min ago
(AIS Source: Mubarak Marine LLC)

At least she is still transmitting.

        



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7740 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 38):
This traveler's web page has a number of very beautiful pictures of the QE2 inside and out.

I wouldn't mind getting hold of some of that furniture if it comes up for sale in the UK, especially the armchairs and sofas.

I think it's a healthy sign that Cunard are quoted as saying the rumours of a sale in the Daily Mail are false. They would lose a lot of face, and upset a load of potential customers, if they were deceiving us.

Can't imagine an iconic ship like the QE2 being rammed up a beach for scrapping.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7735 times:

Quoting babybus (Reply 59):
I think it's a healthy sign that Cunard are quoted as saying the rumours of a sale in the Daily Mail are false.

Cunard (in fact Carnival Corp.) no longer own the Ship. They sold her off to Nakheel in Dubai.
If Nakheel want to sell the ship for scrub they are free to do so. "Cunard" can do nothing about it.

There has to be something or they would have kept the V-Ships crew on board... only that they were asked to pack up and leave from one day to the next to be replaced by an all Chinese crew.

Cunard can't care less. They got rid of QE2 on the cheap selling her off on a first come first served basis. Dubai got her - they came up with big plans... that turned into a mega-fail.

Although they no longer own the Ship, QE2 is still associated with Cunard in most people's minds. I guess they don't want bad publicity so they are trying to save face.

    



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 56):
Comparing the QE2 with the QM is not fair.

Sure it is. They are both Cunard ocean liners. They are of different generations and were born with different functions in mind (QM was built as transportation primarily while QE2 was built for leisure, while still conforming to ocean liner standards).

Both were steam-powered at launch. QE2 was never as fast as QM because there were already jet aircraft in wide service when she was launched. Speed for ocean liners became irrelevant the instant the first 707 hit EIS. By the end of that year, fully 50% of transatlantic travel was by air.

While I don't deny that QE2 is iconic, I'm not sure what distinguishes her from any other famous cruise ship other than the fact that she was built to do liner duty, too. But we should not be surprised; at the time she was built, the idea of a purpose-built cruise ship was relatively novel.

QM2 is also an ocean liner built to do cruise ship duty. If anything, she is an even greater engineering accomplishment than her predecessor. When she reaches the end of her useful service life, is she also to be preserved?

QM is a reminder of a bygone era in which the only practical way to cross an ocean was by ship. I think she serves as a reminder to us that we live truly in an era of wonders in which we can squeeze greater power into a package the size of a GE90 than there was in the entire engine room of that great ship.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 62, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 38):
a number of very beautiful pictures of the QE2 inside and out.

Rather sad. I hoped that it would become a kind of mixed hotel-museum somewhere. Those Chinese are NOT as good in business actually as I hoped they were. And Britain more and more becomes a kind of " United Kingdom of Ruritania & Hippopotamia "


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 63, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7513 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 62):
Rather sad. I hoped that it would become a kind of mixed hotel-museum somewhere. Those Chinese are NOT as good in business actually as I hoped they were. And Britain more and more becomes a kind of " United Kingdom of Ruritania & Hippopotamia "

There are 1 day old beautiful sharp pictures of the Ship in Dubai that came up today. They are visible here:

QE2 The Legend - the greatest ship ever
https://www.facebook.com/QE2TheLegend

The pictures were taken by the captain of the Mein Schiff cruise ship. It seems that this cruise ship captain and another person have tried to get on board QE2 but were categorically refused access. Dubai have been secretive since Day 1 of the Ship at Port Rashid. They don't want "foreigners" to know anything about what is going on and what is to happen to the Ship. No leaks allowed.

 Wow!     Wow!



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 64, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 63):
It seems that this cruise ship captain and another person have tried to get on board QE2 but were categorically refused access. Dubai have been secretive since Day 1 of the Ship at Port Rashid. They don't want "foreigners" to know anything about what is going on and what is to happen to the Ship. No leaks allowed.

This is an interesting aspect. If you simply want to scrap a ship, you do not have to cover things up in secrecy. Will the ship be taken apart somewhere with parts of it used in a new super-yacht or in a new luxury hotel ?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 65, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 64):
This is an interesting aspect. If you simply want to scrap a ship, you do not have to cover things up in secrecy. Will the ship be taken apart somewhere with parts of it used in a new super-yacht or in a new luxury hotel ?

Possibly.

But it seems to me that if they were simply going to haul her off to Alang for scrapping, she would have departed by now.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 66, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 65):
But it seems to me that if they were simply going to haul her off to Alang for scrapping, she would have departed by now.

We don't know what's happening aside from the Chinese crew taking over the ship and the V-Ships crew being sent back home from one day to the next. This is all the information we have.

Aida Blu is back at Port Rashid today with QE2 visible on the live cam again - third cam picture down.

http://www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=AIDA+blu

http://www.seascanner.com/img/webcams/192_3.jpg?1357206007

What a desolate place when you think of the several Millions that were spent on fireworks at the Burj Khalifa, Atlantis Hotel and Burj al Arab on New Year's eve. Money is not an issue.

Why didn't they take on the offer from the U.K. to buy her back?

The Ship must have become quite an embarrassment for them.

     



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 66):
Why didn't they take on the offer from the U.K. to buy her back?

I'm sure the Chinese offer is WAY more than the UK. And I am sure some money is better than no money. Why not sell her to the highest bidder.


Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 66):
The Ship must have become quite an embarrassment for them.


When you have loads of money it probably takes a lot more than an old ship to embarrass you.


Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 66):
What a desolate place when you think of the several Millions that were spent on fireworks at the Burj Khalifa, Atlantis Hotel and Burj al Arab on New Year's eve. Money is not an issue.

Even when you have money, it is always an issue. Isn't the ship owned by a person and not the Country?



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 68, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 67):
Isn't the ship owned by a person and not the Country?

Not. At least not if Nakheel still holds the ownership title.

Cunard and Nakheel flags exchanged as QE2 settles into her new home in Dubai
United Arab Emirates: Thursday, November 27 - 2008 at 17:30

http://www.ameinfo.com/177250.html

Nakheel
Address: Nakheel Building, Al Sufouh Road PO Box 17777, Dubai, UAE

Type:Non-corporate entity
Established Date:2001
Ownership:Government
Phone:971 4 3903333
Fax:971 4 3903314
Email:info@nakheel.com
Website:www.nakheel.com

Now we really know nothing as if the ship was effectively sold to Chinese. There is nothing official. Only that a Chinese crew took over the former V-Ships crew that was on board since after the Cunard crew disembarked.

Dubai is keeping everything secretive about the QE2.

    



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 69, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

Another live cam of the Deira Corniche with Port Rashid in the background. There is a lot of smog.

Click on the picture to maximize. Seems that the pictures change every now and then.

http://dccameras.s3.amazonaws.com/live/Dei001.jpg

There are a number of cruise ships in port today. The Old Girl has some company.

She had her funnel lights back on last night. Thanks to AidaDiva for the live cam views.

        



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 70, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 65):
But it seems to me that if they were simply going to haul her off to Alang for scrapping, she would have departed by now.

A friend who used to work on board the ship sent me this pdf document this morning.

QE2
as a floating hotel in Hong Kong
Iconic Historic Legendary

http://www.theoceanicgroup.com/emp/download/QE2_presentation_en1.pdf

It shows how the company are planning to re-design the QE2 interiors and how they are going to use her.
The new Kai Tak cruise terminal (where the old airport used to be) seems to have the preference.

It raises a few questions.

Does "Oceanic Group" now have full ownership of QE2?
I see there is a partnership with (Dubai owned) Dry Docks World in the brochure.

Will Dubai remain the owners and loan her to Oceanic Group for business/profit?

Who owns Oceanic Group PTE Limited? Is this a joint venture with Dubai or is it all HKG/China owned?
I see their headquarters are located in Singapore (Harbour Front Center) this must be for tax reasons.


This pdf document sheds a lot of light about what the new project might be.
It makes a lot more sense than the former Palm Jumeirah plans Dubai had put together for the Ship.

Hong Kong is a former British colony. It gets a lot of passing tourists. The Ship could be a good addition to the place.

Now how about London? Will it still be considered?
Has the deal definitely been locked with Honk Kong and Oceanic Group?

We are starting to learn a bit more but is this realistic or just another option...

The crew on board that replaced the V-Ships crew belongs to Oceanic Group so it might be a sign that the Ship is going Chinese and will not be scrapped.

All conditional of course... until we hear more.

       



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 71, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 70):
QE2
as a floating hotel in Hong Kong
Iconic Historic Legendary

This listed the announcement date as 20th October 2012 and the launch date as 20th December 2012, so I'm not sure whether this plan is delayed or canceled.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5245 posts, RR: 8
Reply 72, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6813 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 70):
QE2
as a floating hotel in Hong Kong

Then there is hope. Actually this sounds possible as the only place something like this will make sense is where land is incredibly expensive and limited. And Honk Kong fits that.

I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 73, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

Maybe she'll do us all a favour catch fire and sink in Victoria Harbour like her illustrious predecessor.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 74, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6802 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 73):
Maybe she'll do us all a favour catch fire and sink in Victoria Harbour like her illustrious predecessor.

A favor? Surely not!

But yes, the Queen Elizabeth does come to mind when one talks about converted old Cunarders in Victoria Harbor.


User currently offlinecruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

I never really cared much for the QE2. I always thought the SS France/SS Norway was a far more beautiful ship.


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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

The problem with old ships is, they are like old movie stars, you remember them young, pretty, hot full of life, and then you see them later in life and they are old, tired and nothing like your memory of them. It is better to remember them as they were then a physical reminder of what they become.


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User currently offlinedc10bhx From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6712 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 46):
Beautiful beyond words...

Concorde, Red Arrows and the QE2

An Amazing video celebrating Great Britian with three of our finest icons; Concorde, The Red Arrows and the famous QE2 (Queen Elizabeth 2) cruise liner, at one point all three can be seen in one shot, it is utterly breathtaking!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnMzinoYrlg

Capt. David Leney and Capt. Jock Lowe flying the Queen of the Skies in formation with the Reds and the magnificent QE2 (Queen of the Seas) sailing right below!!! Pure magic!!!!

And I have an original photo of the three icons in formation on my office wall. Signed by the Captain of the QE2, the flight crew of Concorde and the pilots and team manager of the Red Arrows (along with the photographer Arthur Gibson). I have been offered fortunes for the photo (and refused every offer made). It is sad to think that you can now only see the Red Arrows out of the three of them.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 78, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Aida Blu is in Dubai. Looking at the live cam feed right now.

QE2 is in total darkness. No Ship lights, no funnel lights either.
http://www.seascanner.com/img/webcams/192_3.jpg?1357850915

Third picture down. She is showing quite clearly - there is not a light on the Ship.
http://www.seascanner.com/schiffsposition.php?schiff=AIDA+blu

Also she does not show on the AIS ship tracker. She is invisible while all the other vessels around her are visible.

The QE2 enigma continues.

          



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 79, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 78):
Also she does not show on the AIS ship tracker.

She does now.

[Edited 2013-01-10 22:31:34]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6458 times:

So she's gone from ShipTracker again, but there is now a landmark called "RMS Queen Elizabeth 2." Did she have the "RMS" title? I know QM2 does not.

Not sure if this landmark has always been there or not. MadameConcorde?


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 5
Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6435 times:

Cant they dock it in some harbor and turn it into a museum and charge admission? Too bad some private British outfit couldn't buy it to save it.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 80):
there is now a landmark called "RMS Queen Elizabeth 2." Did she have the "RMS" title? I know QM2 does not.

Not sure if this landmark has always been there or not.

I don't think QE2 was ever RMS.

I will have to ask Richard Woodall, Capt. Woodall's son.
http://www.beyondships.com/QE2Tour-captains.html
I am sure he has plenty of archives from his (RIP) father.

QE2 is showing on AIS at this time

QUEEN ELIZABETH 2
Flag: Vanuatu
Ship Type: Passenger
Status: Anchored/Moored
Speed/Course: 0 kn / 0˚
Length x Breadth: 293 m X 36 m
Draught: 9.3 m
Destination: DUBAI
Received (49): 0h 3min ago
(AIS Source: Mubarak Marine LLC)

Aida Blu is no longer there
she's been replaced by
Mein Schiff 2 and Costa Classica

Cannot see QE2 from their webcams.

If you maximize the screen then it also shows
RMS Queen Elizabeth 2
more info »
Dubai - United Arab Emirates

Obviously a bug of sorts

       



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 83, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 80):
So she's gone from ShipTracker again, but there is now a landmark called "RMS Queen Elizabeth 2." Did she have the "RMS" title? I know QM2 does not.

QE2 was designated MS, but you are wrong about Queen Mary 2, she is RMS Queen Mary 2. There are currently four ships with the RMS designation.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6309 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 83):

QE2 was designated MS, but you are wrong about Queen Mary 2, she is RMS Queen Mary 2. There are currently four ships with the RMS designation.

I stand corrected.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 85, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

Quoting dc10bhx (Reply 77):
And I have an original photo of the three icons in formation on my office wall. Signed by the Captain of the QE2, the flight crew of Concorde and the pilots and team manager of the Red Arrows (along with the photographer Arthur Gibson). I have been offered fortunes for the photo (and refused every offer made). It is sad to think that you can now only see the Red Arrows out of the three of them.

I spotted one on sale on ebay.

In fact the sale is ending today. No bidders yet. Hefty price but a nice one with the signatures - not the one we usually see.
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...0100&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:FR:1123

These signed ones come every now and then. Sellers generally refuse to sell outside of the UK because of the frame and glass.

        



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Reply 86, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cr...-news/8515-qe2-back-to-the-uk.html

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 87, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

As if London needs another high end hotel, especially one which will be a fair ways away from central London and the City, with very small rooms.

User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 88, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6178 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 87):
As if London needs another high end hotel, especially one which will be a fair ways away from central London and the City, with very small rooms.

Look at what a struggle the Queen Mary has been, it never has been the attraction that they thought it would be. This will fail as well.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 89, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 88):
Look at what a struggle the Queen Mary has been, it never has been the attraction that they thought it would be. This will fail as well.

Completely agree, also the QM is a far more attractive and luxurious ship than QE2 has ever been.

It would have to be moored downstream from Tower Bridge, I don't think there would be any room for her upstream on eiother embankment. So where would she go, would she even be able to transit the Thames Barrier?

[Edited 2013-01-16 06:29:52]

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 90, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 89):
would she even be able to transit the Thames Barrier?

To answer my own question the max depth of the Thames Barrier through gate E is 5.8m, QE2 has a draft of 9.8m, so no show for being moored in London as a luxury hotel.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 91, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 89):
Completely agree, also the QM is a far more attractive and luxurious ship than QE2 has ever been.

No doubt about that. The original Queen Mary ranks as one of the two most important liners ever. Only the Normandie could rival it. I would say, its the most important civilian ship worldwide that has survived. Churchill is quoted to have said that thhis ship together with her near-sister shortended WWII by a whole year (which would make it much more important than any purpose-built warship). Its my favourite ship of all time. I´d say from its historical importance its only rivalled by Nelson´s Victory.

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 88):
Look at what a struggle the Queen Mary has been, it never has been the attraction that they thought it would be.

It might not have been a big commercial success, but its far from failure, otherwise it wouldnt have survived.


User currently offlinedc10bhx From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 85):
I spotted one on sale on ebay.

In fact the sale is ending today. No bidders yet. Hefty price but a nice one with the signatures - not the one we usually see.
http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...0100&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:FR:1123

These signed ones come every now and then. Sellers generally refuse to sell outside of the UK because of the frame and glass.

I have just had a look at that one. My one is an overhead shot with the Arrows flying in front with Concorde sitting in formation with the QEII parallel with Concorde. My one is one of the actual photos taken on the day by Arthur Gibson. I have tried to do some research on this (to find out what he was flying in) without any joy. I know for a fact that neither BA or the Red Arrows have a copy of this in their archives.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 93, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6128 times:

Quoting dc10bhx (Reply 92):
My one is an overhead shot with the Arrows flying in front with Concorde sitting in formation with the QEII parallel with Concorde. My one is one of the actual photos taken on the day by Arthur Gibson. I have tried to do some research on this (to find out what he was flying in) without any joy. I know for a fact that neither BA or the Red Arrows have a copy of this in their archives.

I suppose this is the one you are talking about. This one is also signed by all Arrows + Manager, QE2 Captain and 3 Concorde crew.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRAMED-SIG...Aeronautica_MJ&hash=item35c37039bb

This is not rare. I have seen a number of these same signed prints on ebay before.
It is common practice that pilots/captains have to do hundreds of signings in such circumstances.

Selling to UK only.

  



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 94, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Quoting na (Reply 91):
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 88):
Look at what a struggle the Queen Mary has been, it never has been the attraction that they thought it would be.

It might not have been a big commercial success, but its far from failure, otherwise it wouldnt have survived.



Have you seen the ship, it is so sad the way it has been chopped up and turn into conference space and such. It is better to remember them how they where then to keep the memory alive on life support.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 95, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 94):
Have you seen the ship,

I´ve been on it, yes. The outside and most of the major public rooms are largely unchanged, and that is what counts. The ship still looks stunning. While some changes surely have to be lamented nobody should expect that it could be maintained with all details just like in their heyday.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 96, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6055 times:

QE2 was moved to dry dock this morning.

I was told by a contact so I could watch the whole move live on the ship tracker.

I have 25 screen shots including a couple of pictures.

This is the official announcement of what is to be with the Ship.
First official announcement on QE2 from her now owners since she was bought by Nakheel/Dubai World.

Dubai will retain ownership. Oceanic will run the business in a joint venture with Dubai.

http://www.drydocks.gov.ae/en/news/grang.qe.aspx

Some amazing plans here with heaps of money invested!

No more fear of scrapping - not for now at least!

           

[Edited 2013-01-17 03:44:04]


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13249 posts, RR: 62
Reply 97, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6044 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 96):
This is the official announcement of what is to be with the Ship.First official announcement on QE2 from her now owners since she was bought by Nakheel/Dubai World.Dubai will retain ownership. Oceanic will run the business in a joint venture with Dubai.

From the press release:

We have firmed up with an international tourist city in the Far East as her first destination.

First destination? So the QE2 won't be a static hotel moored permanently, but will periodically change locales?



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 98, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 97):
First destination? So the QE2 won't be a static hotel moored permanently, but will periodically change locales?

Looks like it. They've got big plans.

Now as to if it will all work according to their plans that's a whole different story!

I am eying a job opportunity there... he he he...
Madame Concorde working on the QE2... wouldn't that be nice???

     



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 99, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

Some good news at last. Lets hope they dont change her outer shape in the process, and leave the major public rooms as they are/were.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 98):
I am eying a job opportunity there... he he he...
Madame Concorde working on the QE2... wouldn't that be nice???

Go for it!


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 100, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Quoting na (Reply 99):
Go for it!

These places in Asia have a history for cheap labour.

  

I am not getting excited yet. Let's wait and see what will happen with the ship.
The ship towed all the way to Hong Kong/Macau as QE2 Hotel? I will believe it when I see it.

Will Dubai Dry Docks be able to do a complete refit/refurbishment of the ship or is this simply an inspection to see if her engines can run, look at technical details, etc.?
What if they do the refitting and accidents happen? What if they mess up?

  

Novelties and latest news

There is now a website: QE2 The floating Hotel.
http://www.qe2hotels.com/new/www/index.php

If this is how the Chinese want to re-design the deck I think it's a no-no.
http://www.qe2hotels.com/new/www/facilities.php

There are a lot of typos and other mistakes on this page.
http://www.qe2hotels.com/new/www/history.php

Might be a cheaply made-on-the-quick Chinese website. The whole website looks quite amateurish.

  

Oceanic Group

QE2 - a 5-star Floating Hotel
On 17 January 2013, in Port Rashid, Dubai, Oceanic Group unveiled its plans to transform the QE2 into a luxurious floating five-star hotel, securing its long-term future and extending the iconic ship’s legacy to new generations in Asia.
read more:
http://www.theoceanicgroup.com/emp/emp2013/en/qe2hotels.php

  

press releases

Daily Mirror

Five-star future for hotel QE2
By John Honeywell on Jan 17, 13 05:58 PM in Cruise news

Supporters of the London bid to rescue the QE2 seem reluctant to accept the new deal announced today which will take the ship from Dubai to the Far East.
Rob Lightbody, of TheQE2Story.com, said: "I'll believe it when I see it because Dubai have a very very poor record of announcing things that actually happen." Even as the ship was under tow on its way to dry dock, he added: "It's been three-and-a-half years since she last had one. If she has anything more than a clean and check-up, I'll eat my hat."
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/captain-greybeard/

  

Huffington Post

Dubai plans Asian home for famed QE2 liner after years in port limbo

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - After more than four years sitting idle in a Dubai port, the storied passenger liner Queen Elizabeth 2 is bound again for the high seas as part of deal to convert the vessel into a luxury hotel in Asia, officials said Thursday.
The precise destination of the QE2 was not disclosed. But a map noted its planned voyage ending in China, raising speculation of seaports such as Shanghai or Hong Kong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/01...99.html?utm_hp_ref=canada-business

  

All these other press releases - pick your choice
http://news.google.com/news/story?nc...1f06fffb7acf_story.html&hl=en&geo=

  

Those who had come up with the QE2 London project must be really unhappy today seeing that Dubai is sending the Ship to Asia rather than sending her back home to the UK.

    



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 101, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

I think they are sending her to he people who paid the money.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 102, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

I have just spotted this article on one of the UAE newspaper's site:

Queen Elizabeth 2 bound for Asia to become a 500-room floating hotel

The historic ocean liner, the Queen Elizabeth II (QE2) will soon depart Dubai to be converted into a 500-room floating hotel in Asia after five years of uncertainty about its final destination, the chairman of Dubai’s Drydocks World said yesterday.

The ship was yesterday moved to the drydocks to undergo technical and operational checks before leaving for renovation in Asia, said the Drydocks chairman Khamis Buamim, but a precise final destination has yet to be determined. Oceanic Group, an adviser to cruise operators in Asia, is to manage the project, said Drydocks.

read more:
http://www.thenational.ae/thenationa...o-become-a-500-room-floating-hotel

note how they say the Ship will depart Dubai for the refit.

I wonder if they will send her to Hamburg?
I hope they will not have the interiors refitting work done in China.

        

Edited:

QE2 to take to the high seas again
The Queen Elizabeth 2 is bound again for the high seas, with the announcement of a deal to convert the storied passenger liner into a floating luxury hotel in Asia.

read more:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...o-take-to-the-high-seas-again.html

QE2 pictures gallery
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/pi...hrough-the-ages.html?frame=2454366


  

[Edited 2013-01-17 13:33:47]


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 103, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5963 times:

I read somewhere today that the "final" destination is Singapore.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 104, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Quoting na (Reply 103):
I read somewhere today that the "final" destination is Singapore.

Maybe for refit. Not sure if there is space for her at the brand new cruise terminal.
I would rather Singapore than Hong Kong. Singapore does not get these hideous typhoons like HKG does.

Asians spend big bucks on gambling -especially the Chinese.
I could see them turning the ship into a floating casino/hotel.

The investors are buying the ship for profit. QE2 will be a business.
They can't care less about her being a historical icon. Their goal is turning her into a money-making device.

If Dubai had cared about the historical icon side of the Ship they would have had her sent to London.
The project had gotten support from George Osborne and from the Mayor of London but London it will not be.

Two more articles from those Dubai newspapers who did not have articles yesterday.

Gulf News
(showing a picture of the Ship aligned with mounds of rocks on the pier).

Dubai plans Asian home for famed QE2 luxury liner
as part of deal to convert vessel into a luxury hotel in Asia

The QE2 docked at at Port Rashid Dubai. Oceanic Group, a Singapore-based maritime firm will be leading the renovation of the vessel into a 500-room hotel.

read more:
http://gulfnews.com/business/tourism...r-famed-qe2-luxury-liner-1.1133758


Khaleej Times

QE2 Asia-bound with a new lease of life

Looks and location will change for the Queen Elizabeth 2, the historic ocean liner, when she travels to a city in the Far East for a five-star makeover four years after her retirement. Dubai will keep ownership of the vessel and plans are to convert her into a luxury floating hotel of 500 rooms amid speculation that the journey could end in Hong Kong or Shanghai.

read more
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/i...nuary317.xml&section=nationgeneral

Not sure how long the Dubai dry dock period will last and then there is no announcement yet as to where the refit work will be undertaken. Dry dock or wet dock and where.... Singapore? China?... it's anyone's guess.

            



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 105, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5874 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 104):
They can't care less about her being a historical icon.

Not quite right. In the end thats what will attract many visitors at least. With a historically less significant ship they wont make the big business they are hoping for.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 106, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

http://www.qe2hotels.com/new/www/hotel.php

The homepage shows the silhouette of Hongkong. A few excellently renderings of the project. I would hate changes affecting the silhouette like the strange bar shown though.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 107, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5843 times:

Quoting na (Reply 106):
The homepage shows the silhouette of Hongkong.

I was thinking... what if the Chinese made blueprints of everything that exists on the ship technical and non-technical, big and small (including all the spares on board) and copied it and then some day we see an exact QE2 copycat at sea?

This is just a thought but what if it happened?

 Wow!  



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 108, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5837 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 104):
If Dubai had cared about the historical icon side of the Ship they would have had her sent to London.
The project had gotten support from George Osborne and from the Mayor of London but London it will not be.

The Chinese paid the asking price. Why should Dubai not get what they put into it. If it was so important to London then put up the money. Show me the money and the Chinese did.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 109, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

News release video from BBC South

The futre of QE2
BBCSouthTodayBBCSouthToday

The world's most famous passenger ship has gone into a dry dock in Dubai - in readiness for a move to a new home in the Far East. Our Transport Correspondent Paul Clifton has been assessing the latest plans for the future of QE2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1YUCuQI2Xk

    



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5245 posts, RR: 8
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

Quoting na (Reply 106):
The homepage shows the silhouette of Hongkong. A few excellently renderings of the project. I would hate changes affecting the silhouette like the strange bar shown though.

Looking at the pictures, and just blindly assuming they are accurate, potholes will not work. I would not rent an expensive room with a "to die for location/view" and just have a small porthole to see through and let light in. They will need to cut out large chunks in the hull and make floor to ceiling windows (or at least close to that) for the rooms to be desirable. I guess they could place a vinyl-type applique to the windows to make it still "look" like a hull and porthole.

However they also mentioned not using all the rooms so perhaps they are only using the rooms that already have balcony's and sufficient light.

Tugg



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 111, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 110):
However they also mentioned not using all the rooms so perhaps they are only using the rooms that already have balcony's and sufficient light.

There aren't 500 rooms with balconies on QE2, she might stay looking the same externally but to bring her up to the standards of a modern 5 star hotel some serious work will be required.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5245 posts, RR: 8
Reply 112, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 111):
There aren't 500 rooms with balconies on QE2, she might stay looking the same externally but to bring her up to the standards of a modern 5 star hotel some serious work will be required.

OK, I was wondering that but wasn't sure. And I'll say it again, portholes alone for the rooms as they are won't work for any serious attempt at making her a truly desirable destination/luxury hotel. They do have a large amount of work to do that is for sure.

Tugg



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 113, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 107):
I was thinking... what if the Chinese made blueprints of everything that exists on the ship technical and non-technical, big and small (including all the spares on board) and copied it and then some day we see an exact QE2 copycat at sea?

This is just a thought but what if it happened?

Even if it was new it would not meet SOLAS standards, if it was an exact replica.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 114, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5494 times:



This is QE2 being towed from Port Rashid to Dubai dry docks 17 January.

I am counting 5 tugs on the picture. There are probably more tugs than this only they are not showing.

Ship is not SOLAS compliant so I am wondering if they will be allowed to sail her all the way to Singapore and then Hong Kong on her own power.

Refueling stops will most probably have to be made on the way for the tugs and Ship.
My own stopover estsimate:
Dubai/Karachi/Mumbai/Colombo/Malacca/Singapore/HKG

I recommend you all join "QE2 The Legend - the greatest ship ever" on Facebook for regular reliable information updates.

There are many recent interior pictures of the QE2 in Dubai. You can see the stacks of boxed items being moved out of the Ship to some unknown destination... and many other pictures taken on board. You will not be able to find these pictures anywhere else.

https://www.facebook.com/QE2TheLegend

       

[Edited 2013-01-21 09:08:41]


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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 115, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 114):
Ship is not SOLAS compliant so I am wondering if they will be allowed to sail her all the way to Singapore and then Hong Kong on her own power.

That doesn't matter since she is not being sold as a cruise per say. SOLAS standards only apply when the ship is sold to passengers as a cruise.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 116, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

A couple more screen shots I took during the move.

QE2 being towed away from the pier at Port Rashid on 2013 01 17




This is the AIS ship tracker picture toward the end of the move when QE2 reached Dry Dock 3 where she is now.
(map)




QE2 inside dry dock 3 right after she was moved in. AIS satellite picture




     



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 117, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5442 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 116):

Thanks for keeping us updated.


Comment: maybe its best to rename this thread now its no longer true.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 118, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

Quoting na (Reply 117):
Comment: maybe its best to rename this thread now its no longer true.

I think it is better to wait for more confirmations about the Ship's future from Oceanic Group and Dubai World.
It should not be too long until we find out more.

Then we can start another thread about QE2 Hotel in China.

Let's keep it like this for the time being. I will post what I know as the news come in.
It's all up in the air for now. We have no idea how long Ship will be in dry dock.
Could be 2 weeks to 3 months.

        



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 119, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 102):
I wonder if they will send her to Hamburg?
I hope they will not have the interiors refitting work done in China.

The article says that the refit will be done in Asia. So I am guessing that means China.

Quoting na (Reply 117):

Comment: maybe its best to rename this thread now its no longer true.

I named it, so I just requested a re-name from the Mods.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 116):

QE2 being towed away from the pier at Port Rashid on 2013 01 17

Seems as if her engines are powered up. Did she move under her own power?

Anyways, I think that this is the best of all possible fates. We knew that it was not realistic to see her returned to service. We knew that she would not be permanently moored simply to be a museum and kept completely in her original state (she isn't in her original state since 1984 when she had her major refit, anyway). So of all possible outcomes, this is one of the best ones I can imagine.

It's interesting that the two ocean liners that have been preserved so far have been the Cunard Queens. I'm not aware of another ocean liner that is moored as a museum ship. SS Great Britain is on display in Bristol, but she is permanently drydocked because her hull is no longer watertight (more accurately, it would soon cease to be watertight if she were floated). SS United States is moored, but her interior is in a bad way and she will require extensive refurbishment before anything is done with her.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 119):
Anyways, I think that this is the best of all possible fates.

We don't know. This is all plans.

A deal was sealed between two parties.
Ship is in now at dry dock 3 in Dubai for sea worthiness inspection.

As for what comes next, I will believe it when I see it.

Waiting.

       



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5359 times:

The futre of QE2
BBCSouthToday

This man may be right. What if the deal with Oceanic Group is not yet finalized?
Knowing Dubai it could be anything, really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R1YUCuQI2Xk#!

         

https://twitter.com/ToulaVlahouCBS/status/291815136539316224/photo/1

    



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 119):
It's interesting that the two ocean liners that have been preserved so far have been the Cunard Queens. I'm not aware of another ocean liner that is moored as a museum ship.

The P&O Liner SS Oriana was preserved as a hotel and convention centre in Japan then later on in China, she was badly damaged in a typhoon so the decision was made to scrap her. She was a very popular ship on the Dominions to Southampton service.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5313 times:

CNN says that it'll be moored in Asia as a hotel: http://travel.cnn.com/new-home-queen-elizabeth-2-764401?hpt=ieu_mid


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 123):
CNN says that it'll be moored in Asia as a hotel: http://travel.cnn.com/new-home-queen...u_mid

Thank you for posting. The CNN article is a rehash of this

http://www.drydocks.gov.ae/en/news/grang.qe.aspx

and this

http://www.theoceanicgroup.com/emp/emp2013/en/qe2hotels.php

There has been no other official announcement made.

Ship is in dry dock. Today is QE2 at Dry Dock 3 Day 6.

They did not say how long she would be in and/or what after.

       



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

This just came in via a contact on FB.

This is the first picture of the QE2 in dry dock.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBT8IG5CcAMvMSF.jpg

The man on the picture is Greg Fairlie from a TV station. Never heard of him.

         



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Another picture of QE2 in dry dock was posted on FB today via Liam Fjellstedt.

This is the picture.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/DXB%20QE2%2011%202012/QE2onthemove31_zpsc537a7fc.jpg

BinLadin Contracting??

 Wow!        

Another QE2 in dry dock picture was just posted by a different person

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/DXB%20QE2%2011%202012/QE2onthemove32_zps076d13e7.jpg

 airplane   Sad

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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 126):
BinLadin Contracting

Saudi Binladin (assuming it's the same as above) is the biggest contractor on the world... Yes, Osama's family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Binladin_Group



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 125):
This is the first picture of the QE2 in dry dock.

Interesting. The props appear to be in very good condition for having just sat motionless in a bay for years.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 122):
The P&O Liner SS Oriana was preserved as a hotel and convention centre in Japan then later on in China, she was badly damaged in a typhoon so the decision was made to scrap her. She was a very popular ship on the Dominions to Southampton service.

I'd forgotten about her. She was a very busy ship on the GB-Australia route, IIRC. Had that signature stern with tiered open decks. Today's P&O cruise ships continue to boast tiered rear decks as a signature design feature.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5178 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 127):
Saudi Binladin (assuming it's the same as above) is the biggest contractor on the world... Yes, Osama's family.

Quote:
"Over time, the organization kept pace with the growth and progress that the Kingdom has led. By the time of late Salem M. Binladin, the company became one of several activities. The works and contributions of the company expanded at local, regional and international level."

Same family, same group operating worldwide. OBL family.
When Mohammed bin Laden died in 1967, his son Salem bin Laden took over the family enterprises, until his own accidental death in 1988. Salem was one of at least 54 children by various wives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Laden_family

The BinLaden family are multi-Millionaires and very powerful.

Saudi BinLaden Group in the UAE
http://www.sbgpbad.ae/english/content.php?pid=23#3-tab


Dubai Dry Dock QE2 at Dock 3 Day 8

Another picture of the Ship in dry dock emerged this morning. Thank you Chris Foy
http://twitter.com/Foyc/status/294545705584975872/photo/1

If only we knew what type of work is being done...

       



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 128):
Today's P&O cruise ships continue to boast tiered rear decks as a signature design feature.

It was never a P&O feature, the SS Oriana was ordered by Orient Steam Navigation Company, she was their last newbuild before they merged with P&O to form P&O Orient Line. Orian was essentially an enlarged version of the the Oronsay, Orcades and Orsova, the silhouettes are the same. I'd say the new P&O vessels owe there looks to the SS Canberra rather than the Oriana, all new P&O vessels have Canberra style funnels.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2915 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5145 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 129):
"Over time, the organization kept pace with the growth and progress that the Kingdom has led. By the time of late Salem M. Binladin, the company became one of several activities. The works and contributions of the company expanded at local, regional and international level."

Same family, same group operating worldwide. OBL family.
When Mohammed bin Laden died in 1967, his son Salem bin Laden took over the family enterprises, until his own accidental death in 1988. Salem was one of at least 54 children by various wives.

I'm aware. All I was saying was that it's not terrorists being displayed on the sign.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 131):
All I was saying was that it's not terrorists being displayed on the sign.

He was the black sheep and even worse. He must have been quite an embarrassment for the whole family.

   Wow!



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 132):
He must have been quite an embarrassment for the whole family.

I'm sure most of the family were pretty proud of him, they were giving him money supporting his activities.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 133):
I'm sure most of the family were pretty proud of him, they were giving him money supporting his activities.

I am not aware of this. Any way, OBL is dead and gone so let's keep this on topic.

At almost every large construction site in Dubai you will find these billboards that read “The Bin Ladin Group" and that includes Port Rashid and Dubai World Dry Docks where the QE2 is spending time.

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

QE2 was moved out of dry dock at some time this morning.

Today was Dock 3 Day 12 She is now outside not moving.

From the sat image on the AIS ship tracker it looks like she is parked next to another ship/cargo container outside of dry dock with the Asad tug hovering nearby.

Things seem to be moving without any warning. Not sure if this will link but you can type in Dubai in the port box.
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/def...x=30&centery=25&zoom=2&level1=140#

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 130):
It was never a P&O feature, the SS Oriana was ordered by Orient Steam Navigation Company, she was their last newbuild before they merged with P&O to form P&O Orient Line.

P&O state that the tiered rear decks are a signature element of their ships on their website. Certainly might be that the

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 134):

At almost every large construction site in Dubai you will find these billboards that read “The Bin Ladin Group" and that includes Port Rashid and Dubai World Dry Docks where the QE2 is spending time.

It's a common enough name.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 135):
Things seem to be moving without any warning.

How else would you expect things to occur. If you go to do some shopping, do you post it on the web first? Should I advise everyone if I want to draw money out of my bank account before doing so?

Public companies in the West typically play there cards close to their chests and make announcements just as something is about to happen, not sooner. While the laws in various countries may require public tenders for public works, those same laws respect "commercial confidentiality".

Why should we infer skullduggery just because the same is happening in Dubai?


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

Update on QE2

The ship was for 13 days in dry dock. It is known that her hull was cleaned but no other news have filtered on what else was done.

2 days ago the Ship left dry dock and was moved alongside Dry Dock 3 in the so called wet dock.

No other information is available at the moment.

    



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5245 posts, RR: 8
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 138):
The ship was for 13 days in dry dock. It is known that her hull was cleaned but no other news have filtered on what else was done.

Generally you do not clean the hull of a ship you are going to scrap do you?

Tugg



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 139):
Generally you do not clean the hull of a ship you are going to scrap do you?

Tugg

She probably needed a hull inspection before moving her to wherever she's going, to do a full inspection they have to clean it.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

This is the latest picture of the Ship in Wet Dock 8 right by Dry Dock 3 where she was before.

https://twitter.com/nicholassabalos/status/299015104849117184/photo/1

The picture is taken at a distance from one of the piers at Port Rashid close by to where the cruise ships are docking.

Those two are Royal Dubai yacht (the big white one) and Dubawi (the smaller one) Dubawi is the Crown Princes's private yacht. Much smaller than Royal Dubai yet still a very fine and quite luxurious yacht. Royal Dubai is huge. It used to be the world's biggest private yacht before Roman Abramovich decided to build his own mega-yacht Eclipse 5 meters longer than Royal Dubai just so to have the world record.

The Sheikhs never hesitate spending money on themselves - neither does Roman Abramovich!
It must be nice being mega-rich like them!

 

Anyway... this is the latest picture available of QE2 in Dubai. The rest is just a side story with the two mega-rich's floating boxes visible on the picture.

        



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4548 times:

QE2 Position Update

Status: MOORED
Time: 08.02.2013 11:00
Port: Dubai
Berth : Dubai Dry Dock
Lat: N 25° 15.04'
Lon: E 055° 15.79'
Moored since: 08.02.2013 06:21

     



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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

It is sad that the ship is ending its life like this but we have to remember the enormous costs accumulated to keep it sea worthy and operational. Renovating it to the standard required to make any money out of her as a hotel is obviously probitive, especially as Dubai's fortunes have changed drastically since the ship was purchased.

I have been on the new Queen Elizabeth and she was absolutely stunning- I really enjoyed my time on her.
A few months ago I was also lucky enough to sail on the QM2. I preferred the QE over the QMC.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 143):
A few months ago I was also lucky enough to sail on the QM2. I preferred the QE over the QMC.

May I ask why? I have only been on the QM2 twice and its my favourite ship, its just much more beautiful than QE and QV. My girlfriend was on QV (QEs sistership) last month and said she likes QM2 better though a few things are better on the cruiseship than on the liner.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 145, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

QE2 moored on her 19th day at Berth 8 and is now 33 days at Dubai Docks

No information has filtered since the announcement of the joint venture between her Dubai owners and the company in Singapore.

I suppose there is major refit work being done if she is in dry/wet docks so long.

   



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 146, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

No chance to save her at the last minute?

User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 147, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

save her? what are you talking about?


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18674 posts, RR: 58
Reply 148, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 146):
No chance to save her at the last minute?

She is being saved, we think.

She is never going back into service. The first 747 will be back in service before that happens.

Either she becomes a permanently moored attraction of some sort or she goes to the scrappers.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 149, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

dint want her to be scrapped

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 150, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 149):
dint want her to be scrapped

I would rather QE2 be sold for the cost of metal than seeing her being totally defaced inside or outside.

Today was her 21th day at Berth 8 and is now 35 days at Dubai Docks. We still don't know how long she is going to be there and what is going on with the Ship. Even the satellite picture displays another ship in lieu of the QE2 when it shows some mega-container ship on the image. What good is it to play us for fools?

    



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 151, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 150):
I would rather QE2 be sold for the cost of metal than seeing her being totally defaced inside or outside.

That's what they are going to do. Once they have added all the features customers expect from high end hotels she won't look the same, I've been saying this all along, I'm happy you have finally come around to my way of thinking.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 152, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 150):
I would rather QE2 be sold for the cost of metal than seeing her being totally defaced inside or outside.

Well, they would be fools to change the major public rooms or the outside appearance. But to turn it into a luxury hotel they have to change the majority of staterooms as ship cabins, even the luxury rooms are too small to compete with landside facilities. And inside cabin are surely not needed anymore at all except some for museum purposes. I dont see why they shouldnt make two or three former staterooms into one, if its behind doors and the general feel of the ship isnt disfigured. They have to retain a certain maritime feel though. The fun ends should they cut large 21st century windows in the classic hull. Then even I would prefer scrapping!


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 153, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting na (Reply 144):
May I ask why? I have only been on the QM2 twice and its my favourite ship

The Queen Elizabeth is very ornate- light, airy with beautiful magnificent staircases. Absolutely crammed to the rafters with art deco fittings, immaculate ornate cream carpets etc. It is very elegant and beautiful. It was in absolute pristine condition and spotless. I spent a good while trying to work out what the differences were but I think the Elizabeth is just a more refined and beautiful liner than the QM2.

When I boarded the QM2 I was expecting the same but it was different. Still an undeniably beautiful ship but not in as tip top condition as Elizabeth. The fittings seemed to be showing their age- scruffy and worn in places. The decor was a lot darker- lots of red carpets and just not as special or upmarket. It was regal and impressive rather than exquisite and elegant like the Elizabeth. Also, deck 7 on the QM2 (buffet restaurant) wasn't as nice as the Elizabeth.

If I was on a long voyage I would choose the QM2 for the great deck space, the additional theatre and the observatory which was amazing. I loved the Rada performances too. Plus the amazing library. However, if I was on a shorter voyage I would go with the Elizabeth just for the beauty of it.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 154, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 153):

Ok, understood. I agree with you that the Kings Court (the huge buffet reataurant on deck 7 of QM2) is a letdown. It doesnt fit to the rest of the magnificent ship and appears at least one category lower than the other public rooms.
As for the rest, surely a matter of personal preference. Imho the QM2 is outwardly clearly, with a wide margin, themore attractive ship, and onboard also offers specific things hardly found on any other ship. The tiered decks in the back are fantastic and one of my favourite spots. No other big ship of today has it, they all have a huge single sundeck.


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 155, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Quoting na (Reply 154):
As for the rest, surely a matter of personal preference. Imho the QM2 is outwardly clearly, with a wide margin, themore attractive ship

I agree- it is down to taste. The QM2 is externally nicer but for interior fittings, I think the QM2 is showing its age in places inside. To be honest, just being onboard any of Cunard's liners is sheer luxury and an amazing experience.
The ships offer different experiences. The QM2 has a lot more facilities- great for a long voyage. The external deck space is fantastic. I enjoyed many mornings doing laps around (to burn off that amazing food!)

If I was on for a week I would go for the Elizabeth because she was really exquisite. The theatre actually has boxes where you can enjoy champagne and canapes. Plus, the ballroom is absolutely outstanding. It is galleried and you can look down from above. I spoke to people onboard my last cruise (QM2) and the table was split- some really preferred Mary and others adored Elizabeth.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8494 posts, RR: 12
Reply 156, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 155):
I spoke to people onboard my last cruise (QM2) and the table was split- some really preferred Mary and others adored Elizabeth.

Obviously the correct solution to this conundrum is to take a cruise on each liner.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 157, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

From Louis de Souza

QE2 Dubai Dry Docks
These pictures are just a few days old - all taken 21st February 2013

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ex-crewmember/sets/72157632849061255/

This is quite a picture gallery.
Heart breaking!

       



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User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 158, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 156):

I have  



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 159, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 157):
This is quite a picture gallery.
Heart breaking!

Not exactly heartbreaking as dust is normal after a few years of storage. Also there are number of photos of rooms that passengers never saw.
But its somewhat sad to see how grand rooms now look like that I remember "differently".


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 160, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

How dated she looks and structurally nothing can be done to change the appearance of the old gal. This is why you should have memories and not the real thing. It is like seeing an actress that was once young and hot, later in life reality hits and you are disappointed,


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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 161, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

They missed a trick here. Had they done with the QE2 what they did with the Queen Mary, only in London, they could have created jobs, a tourist attraction and more. £20M is not bad for a ready made hotel that needs only to be sailed over, docked and opened to the public at first for tours, while different sections are refurbished and modified as required.


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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 162, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 157):
Heart breaking!

What's heartbreaking is that up until a few years ago people paid good money to travel on such an old POS, she really was looking amazingly outdated at the end, it no wonder Carnival had to dump her, bringing this old tub up to modern standards would have cost hundreds of millions of Euros.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 163, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 162):
What's heartbreaking is that up until a few years ago people paid good money to travel on such an old POS, she really was looking amazingly outdated at the end, it no wonder Carnival had to dump her, bringing this old tub up to modern standards would have cost hundreds of millions of Euros.

Outdated, sure. But the harshness of you post can only come from someone never been on the ship. I sailed on QE2 in her last year, and she was in good condition and a pleasure. Old, but with more character and charm than many soulless megaships of today.


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1707 posts, RR: 4
Reply 164, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting na (Reply 163):
Old, but with more character and charm than many soulless megaships of today.

Absolutely agree. And coupled with Cunard's absolutely outstanding White Star Service, cruising on any of the company's graceful liners is a wonderful experience. People who travel with Cunard are not typically after the fancy gimmicks of ships like Independence of the Seas etc, ice skating etc etc.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 165, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Quoting na (Reply 163):

Outdated, sure. But the harshness of you post can only come from someone never been on the ship.

Been on-board QE2 but not on a cruise, I'm interested in ships, but cruising isn't something that interests me, especially cruising on-board a vessel where most of the passengers have one foot in the grave, rather like the ship they were sailing on.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10358 posts, RR: 11
Reply 166, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 164):
Absolutely agree. And coupled with Cunard's absolutely outstanding White Star Service, cruising on any of the company's graceful liners is a wonderful experience. People who travel with Cunard are not typically after the fancy gimmicks of ships like Independence of the Seas etc, ice skating etc etc.

I hate fancy gimmicks, and the trends "all" seem to follow are not for me. You´ll certainly not see me on a Caribbean monster"fun"ship filled with people who dont know how to dress.

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 165):
Been on-board QE2 but not on a cruise, I'm interested in ships, but cruising isn't something that interests me, especially cruising on-board a vessel where most of the passengers have one foot in the grave, rather like the ship they were sailing on.

How come you were onboard QE2 but not on a cruise? Do you work in the travel industry?
As for me I do not have one foot in the grave, and I, and my girlfriend prefer the Cunard way of cruising to any other cruise experience. EHey, even her 13 year-old son loved it! And so do many others, even if the average onboard a Cunard ship is some years more advanced in age. I dont care much for the age of my fellow passengers, that they are entertaining and well-travelled counts more than party party.

Thank god not everybody likes the same. How boring would that be.

That said, I am short of booking my next QM2 cruise.

[Edited 2013-02-25 13:06:15]

[Edited 2013-02-25 13:08:12]

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Reply 167, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

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