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Why Was Israel/Palestine An Issue In This Race?  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

Earl Hilliard (D-AL), one of the most courageous members of the U.S. House of Representatives lost the Democratic nomination mainly because of his position on the Middle East.
His opponent was bankrolled by special interest groups from New York who's priorities are out of sync with voters in this rural Alabama district. The Israel/Palestine issue isn’t the most pressing issue in this working class district. This just goes to show how ruthless the Zionist lobby is in this country.
The winner of the Democratic primary is almost certain to win in November. The district is heavily Democratic and the only other candidate is a Libertarian.
Earl Hilliard and Arthur Davis are both African-American and are both liberal. The only difference was there Middle-East position.

This is not the first time this has happened. In 1980, 22 year Congressman Paul Findley (A Republican) lost re-election to a Democrat because he spoke out against the U.S policy in the Middle East.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/28/alabama.congress/index.html


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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

This just goes to show how ruthless the Zionist lobby is in this country

SAS23 are you in there?  Laugh out loud

I personally think certain lobbies have too much power. I like this though. He's not afraid to say something to speak his mind rather the lobbyist like it or not  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Whether there was intent or not, Superfly, you, especially with lines like this... This just goes to show how ruthless the Zionist lobby is in this country. have just spilled gasoline all over the place. Who is going to be the match this time? And I bet it will be in large part to your "ruthless Zionist lobby" comment. Just an observation.

User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

It won't be TWANEEDSNOHELP..................cause hes been banned fot the week  Laugh out loud

I hate it when lobbies like this drag us into ME policies.



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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/profile.main?username=Twaneedsnohelp LOL


TWANEEDSNOHELP when reading this post ============>  Pissed





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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21463 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

KROC: Whether there was intent or not, Superfly, you, especially with lines like this... This just goes to show how ruthless the Zionist lobby is in this country. have just spilled gasoline all over the place.

Hmmm... You´re sure it´s not the leaky cutoff valve of your own flame thrower?  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1736 times:

You guys are proving Superfly's point....a collection of rabidly pro Israeli Jews who raise money to support the maintenance of favorable US policy towards Israel would be Zionist...and they would be a lobby. Would they not? Where's the gasoline? They themselves would agree!

Yet we dance around the phrase 'Zionist lobby' as if Heinrich Himmler himself were posting.

As to the phrase "ruthless"...well...these people feel present US policy towards Israel is vital for Israel's future. They without hesitation supported one guy over another, regardless of party or idealogy. They had one issue, and it that issue their end justifies the means. They're certainly not the only group in Washington who works that way.



User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

I think its the hole in the gas can Big grin

BTW:Naplam makes for a better flame  Smile



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Hmmm... You´re sure it´s not the leaky cutoff valve of your own flame thrower?

I think A.) my opinions, and the manor in which I express them, are taken the wrong way by all the sensitive skin members here, so I carry no Flame Thrower.

B.) If I do tend to *ahem Fan the flames a little, its for something worthwhile, like making fun of Mcringring, not a Is/Pal issue that is flaming like crazy before there are 3 posts to the thread.


User currently offlinePanynj From Bahamas, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

It won't be TWANEEDSNOHELP..................cause hes been banned fot the week

He'll be back before you know it! Or maybe he'll just vanish, never to be seen again, disapearing in and out of doorways and shadows, always watching you little david bantz and your movements, maybe he'll retire to his childhood home or to his snowy school escape. muhahahaha


?N??  Laugh out loud


User currently offlinePanynj From Bahamas, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

these people feel present US policy towards Israel is vital for Israel's future. They without hesitation supported one guy over another, regardless of party or idealogy. They had one issue, and it that issue their end justifies the means. They're certainly not the only group in Washington who works that way.

Spot on. They didn't do anything wrong, they saw something they wanted (replacement of this congressmen) so they supported the legal means to get what they wanted.



User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21463 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

KROC: I think A.) my opinions, and the manor in which I express them, are taken the wrong way by all the sensitive skin members here, so I carry no Flame Thrower.

Ah. Then it must be a really oversized zippo lighter that´s strapped to your back, there...! Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

I always thought the whole point of having Congressional districts was to have a representative from every part of the country to express and address issues pertaining to THAT DISTRICT.
The average Joe in Selma, Alabama could give a rats a$$ about settlements in the West Bank.
This newcomber is nothing but a token for interest groups that don't give a rats a$$ about the people in his district.
I'd like to see how Arthur Davis is going to use his power with his friends in New York to broker deals that benefit his district.
I doubt he will have the balls to do so.



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User currently offlinePanynj From Bahamas, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

I doubt he will have the balls to do so.

I don't. Hes a Harvard educated lawyer. Much more educated and capable than the other idiot.



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

Panynj:
Hes a Harvard educated lawyer. Much more educated and capable than the other idiot.


So graduating for Harvard automatically means you have a lot of balls and can't be persuaded by money?  Confused

How is Earl Hilliard an idiot?
How much did you know about Earl Hilliard prior to me starting this thread Panynj?






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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Question: Rather than dealing with either side or being pro-either side, why not simply break ties with the entire Middle East and let them go at their own accord without adhering to our policies?

Something positive has got to come out of that.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Lehpron:
That's what Congressman Earl Hilliard was trying to tell the voters. His message was drowned out by Zionist money from New York.



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User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1662 times:

Superfly



The average Joe in Selma, Alabama could give a rats a$$ about settlements in the West Bank.



Sounds like that came right out of the George Wallace scrapbook.
Are becoming more conservative now Superfly?
However, I do agree with you. This issue has no place in a mostly Black District in rural Alabama. The pro-Israel lobby know that they are a minority and has to drag this issue in to every Americans everyday lives.
Much like the non-Aviation forums.  Sad



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User currently offlinePanynj From Bahamas, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

How much did you know about Earl Hilliard prior to me starting this thread Panynj?

Oh trust me, I know a lot about the race. Arthur pursued that Jewish NY money, he went looking for it. Art's a smart guy, though, much more capable and vivacirous than Hilliard who has done nothing for his district other than bring it mediocre PR with his "contrarian views".

Also, Hilliard had tremendous and significant financial and volunteer support from the Arab American community down there in 'bama.

theres two side to every story. Hilliard was an incomepetent jerk and rabidly biased. your painting a terribly inacurate picture superfly.


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Hilliard was an incomepetent jerk and rabidly biased

Such as.....what did he do to make him a jerk?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Oh trust me, I know a lot about the race.

Oh sure you did.  Yeah sure
But I am not going to get caught up in that. I am sure you've had enough time to check up on a few websites.


Arthur pursued that Jewish NY money, he went looking for it. Art's a smart guy

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that you need to have support from the Pro-Israel lobby in order to get elected to Washington.
Just ask Jimmy Carter and Paul Findley.
Why do you think Al Gore chose Joseph Leiberman for VP?
To win Connecticut?  Insane
I don't think so.

Arthur Davis is just a status quo peon that will not do much more for "Bama" than Hilliard. He will only be a vote to secure un-conditional support for Israel and not make a fuss, as a 'Good Boy' should.
Earl Hilliard has more courage to take a stance on such un-popular views. That's something not found in U.S. politics anymore unfortunately.
I am sure if Bob Barr or Dennis Hastard made the same trip to Libya, they wouldn't catch any heat for it like Hilliard.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

Amen to that David! Shame tnnh isn't here, I know he and I are like the USA vs. USSR in this ideoligical debate. Well...FLAME ON! No JK. Lobbies like the Zionists are dangerous. It's equivilant to letting foreigners elect our leaders and telling us what to do. Isn't that the reason whey America sought independence from the UK?

My two cents, ten cents, and fifty cents,
B4e


User currently offlinePanynj From Bahamas, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

It's equivilant to letting foreigners elect our leaders and telling us what to do.

So Jews aren't real Americans???? Terrific


User currently offlinePanynj From Bahamas, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Earl Hilliard has more courage to take a stance on such un-popular views.

it wasn't courage, it was strategy. If only you knew the whole story. The promised Arab American support came at only about half the level he expected. The Arabs didn't come through. Talk to Hussein Ibbish, he'll tell you.
Earl's one bitter guy right now. Trust me, theres much more to this than what you read on thetruth.com or david duke's website or whatever......

zionistis trying to take over the whole world again..... ugh


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Like I said in the other post, America matters right now  Smokin cool

We have to protect ourselves. Not other foreign countires, not Israel  Pissed

Lobbies sucks doesn't matter what their cause.  Pissed

They should be outlawed  Big thumbs up



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25 Boeing4ever : Another fine point made by David B. You've just made my respected users list! B4e
26 Post contains images Panynj : Shame tnnh isn't here, hes around.
27 Post contains images Panynj : His "fine point" is that "Lobbies sucks"???? Intelectual!
28 Boeing4ever : Lobbies work against democracy by manipulating it for their own purposes. Imagine an anti-Jewish lobby suddenly taking control. One of those existed o
29 Post contains images David B. : TNNH================> Damn I can't flame these guys cause I've been a bad boy. Two more days ...........two more days Alpha================> Rest of u
30 Post contains images Superfly : Panynj: Trust me, theres much more to this than what you read on thetruth.com or david duke's website or whatever...... Umm, the link I posted was fro
31 FlyVirgin744 : This is what I get out of it: The Zionist decided to give Davis money to help him beat out Hilliard because they happen to agree on the issue (or he w
32 PANYNJ : TNNH================> Damn I can't flame these guys cause I've been a bad boy. Two more days ...........two more days He wasn't a "bad boy", a moderat
33 Post contains images Superfly : PANYNJ: You are totally trying to turn this in to an Anti-Semitic vs. Non in this thread. If you were not, then you how come YOU were the first to ins
34 Post contains links FlyVirgin744 : http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020626/ap_on_el_ge/primary_rdp_22 Turns out Hilliard too received money from a lobby of Arab donor
35 KROC : TNNH================> Damn I can't flame these guys cause I've been a bad boy. Two more days ...........two more days He wasn't a "bad boy", a moderat
36 Hepkat : Don't even try laying that guilt trip guys. First of all, TNNH was deleted because of REPEATEDLY launching personal attacks on other users. Calling an
37 Post contains images KROC : "Sick bitch" "earns" you a suspension, but launching personal attacks in which you call people "fascist", "racist", or "member of the KKK" are allowed
38 Superfly : I don't give a damn why TNNH was deleted! It has NOTHING to do with this thread and I'd appreciate if you two would keep your constant fighing in the
39 Post contains images David B. : The networks are owned by J**s superfly.......thats why
40 PANYNJ : They are owned by shareholders. Lets cut the anti-semitic bullshit.
41 PANYNJ : Heres the story, Hilliard, a member of the internation relations committee, had a record of making anti-Israel statemetns to hide his utter incompeten
42 Superfly : had a record of making anti-Israel statemetns to hide his utter incompetence as a congressmen Such as...? he did little for his district other than pu
43 Airlinelover : Guys.. this thread is getting damgerously close to being locked.. Most of you have gone way off topic.. First off.. PANYNJ: Heres the story, Hilliard,
44 Heavymetal : Heres the story, Hilliard, a member of the internation relations committee, had a record of making anti-Israel statemetns to hide his utter incompeten
45 FlyVirgin744 : He had to raise money ware he could to stay in office. Arthur Davis dragged in donors from New York first. Congressman Hilliard had no choice after th
46 PANYNJ : Ok first of all those 'dead black girls' were one of the most polarizing milestones in this country's (sorry, to you this fly-over country's history).
47 FSPilot747 : The Jewish lobby found Hilliard as a threat, and in turn, played nasty games, including advertising campaigns with Hilliards picture next to Osama bin
48 Superfly : PANYNJ: Sorry kido but you sound as naive as they come. I disagree with the congressmen however, that during this very difficult time of war, terror,
49 Post contains images PANYNJ : You accuse me of being racist, but then say I'm the one who accuses people of being racist too often! What a hypcorite!
50 Boeing4ever : You know what's really interesting...if you agree with Israel, you're ok, but if you so much as don't like Sharon's haircut (a pretty bad one might I
51 Boeing4ever : You accuse me of being racist, but then say I'm the one who accuses people of being racist too often! What a hypcorite! PANYNJ...you're a reverse raci
52 Panynj : Superfly you need to have support from the Pro-Israel lobby in order to get elected to Washington..... Why do you think Al Gore chose Joseph Leiberman
53 Post contains images Superfly : Panynj: I've never denied saying that! I'll say it again. "Why do you think Al Gore chose Joseph Leiberman for VP? To win Connecticut? I don't think s
54 Post contains images Panynj : Just as those donors in New York could care less about the voters in this district. All they care about is Israel. You still don't understand. Of cou
55 FSPilot747 : It was your tone genius. Don't try to act like you were just stating a fact. It was the way you said it. If I said, "Yeah, all the U.S. did in WWII wa
56 Post contains images David B. : Jews are among the most philanthropic Americans
57 Boeing4ever : Shut up Uncivilized PANYNJ Its my expert opinion I'd go look up facts and figures but I don't have time. A)...you're NO expert. B)No time for facts, o
58 FlyVirgin744 : Oh c'mon FSPilot, I love reading your posts because you usually give highly valid points on the other side, but almost ALL political ads are ruthless.
59 Post contains images David B. : PA.......I think you opinion has been altered by the Jewish lobby
60 FlyVirgin744 : And despite popular sterotype, Jewish people are also very good tippers!
61 Post contains images David B. : Is that why Chinese waiters are so "rich"
62 RealHigh : Panynj, you are losing this argument pal. I read your "dead black girls" comment and it sounded pretty insensitive to me also. I am sure Arthur Davis
63 Post contains images David B. : That is the one and only thing that matters to the Israeli lobby.
64 RealHigh : There is good and bad people in all ethnic groups.
65 FSPilot747 : RealHigh it it right on. As long as there is a pro-israeli in the seat, theyre happy. PANYNJ: "Shut up, they did no such sort" They did no what now? A
66 Post contains images Panynj : oh this is too much! .
67 Post contains images Panynj : I'd respond but I had too many vodka tonics tonight and theres a cute girl in the bathroom right now, who is going to come out real soon! I think her
68 FSPilot747 : Most of the royalty of S.A. would get their heads cut off if they weren't royalty! -FSP
69 Post contains images Superfly : Instead of sticking to the topic, why not drag Saudi Arabia in to it?
70 FlyVirgin744 : Awesome idea Superfly! Saudi Arabia controls America because we kiss their ass for we need their oil. Hows that! Regards
71 FSPilot747 : Err...you mean America controls Saudi Arabia because we need their oil. I think PANYNJ changed the topic because he couldn't come up with any good arg
72 Post contains images FlyVirgin744 : you mean America controls Saudi Arabia because we need their oil I'm not sure that statement makes too much sense. Usually, if a country needs somethi
73 Post contains images PANYNJ : Superfly It's a coincidence you support Arthur Davis who the hell is Arthur Davis? I don't support that dude! . I think PANYNJ changed the topic becau
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