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23 Year Old Girl Gangraped In Delhi  
User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1582 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9629 times:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/d...-rape/specialcoverage/17675360.cms

"A 23-year-old physiotherapy student was stripped, beaten and raped in a moving bus in south Delhi on December 16, stirring shock and outrage in India."

Its sad that this is what India has become  . I am Indian by heritage and even during the time i lived there (from 2005 to 2012), these incidents have become more regular.

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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2492 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9612 times:

I know and have known several Indians in DC, and they have told me that Delhi is a bad place for single women. Much worse than Mumbai. I always thought of Delhi as a very international, cosmopolitan place.


oh boy!!!
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9561 times:

This is nuts. Rape is horrible to begin with, but gang-rape is just animal. I'm not going to play race cards here, but something needs to happen in India in order to curb all of this stuff.....and I'm NOT suggesting any sort of Saudi-Arabia-esque gender separation.. I think there needs to be more gender-related education. Unacceptable for this to be happening anywhere.

Related news, something like this happened to a frat here in AZ a while ago and that frat is reportedly now completely banned from having any presence on campus or in University activities. Ever since that incident, frats were forced as part of their pledge-program to do gender studies related entry programs for new pledges in order to prevent this kind of stuff from happening. Maybe this is what needs to happen in India.



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User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):

The problem is women have always been viewed as secondary to men in India. Now with India becoming modern, society hasnt caught up and more incidents like this will happen.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

There's a combination of factors at play. Delhi is a particularly bad place in this regard because of a large number of people with no sense of community or civic belonging, who think of nothing further than getting ahead or making money. A lot of the nouveau riche from the real estate and urbanization boom simply lack morals and proper upbringing - to such an extent that someone pissed off with a shopkeeper might whip out and brandish a gun to have his way, or a bunch of men resort to something this tragic.

Unless the Delhi Police and state government come down hard on these rapists, as well as upon the general category of those guilty of the innocuously named 'eve teasing' this is going to continue. History has shown that when the state throws is weight upon a social problem, the population fairly quickly falls in line. Not acting firmly amounts to a political failure, considering DP and Punjab Police have together snuffed out the far worse threat of Khalistani terrorism.



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User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9169 times:

Ive always wondered how there is such a large difference in safety in india as you travel from South to North. In Kerala, nothing will happen to a woman, as you move further up north toward Mumbai/Pune, it is still safe, but not completely and then when you move further to delhi, Haryana and punjab this seems like an everyday thing?
Is is some sort of cultural difference? You would think they would try and keep the capital under check.



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User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9135 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Reply 5):
In Kerala, nothing will happen to a woman

Oh believe me, the people in my state probably won't rape as much, but we're just as bad as the rest when it comes to mentality towards women. While Kerala might give the appearance of a modern and liberal place, the attitudes entrenched in males there differs little from the uneducated guys in Delhi who perpetrated this incident. There's an unwritten moral code that's policed by practically everyone in society. We're the biggest consumers of alcohol in the country but there are incidents where women have been abused/harassed/molested by self proclaimed moral guardians of the society for having the temerity to queue up before a state controlled liquor shop. And that is just one example. Our legal framework and society in general is a lot better than the other states in that education and a rather strong rule of law prevents people from committing as many crimes as you would probably find outside. But that does not mean we're different in attitude. It's a countrywide problem, and wont go away for the next decade or three, by when hopefully efforts at educating the populace would've paid off.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6920 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

Sorry to burst your collective bubble but rape has no borders it is happening near your too.

In India I would be more worried about abortion of female fetus because it will have ill effects for decades.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days ago) and read 9091 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 7):
Sorry to burst your collective bubble but rape has no borders it is happening near your too.

In India I would be more worried about abortion of female fetus because it will have ill effects for decades.

Well put my friend. Within reach? No!

The only comfort in all this is that if they will not be punished in court, the public will take care of them in the worst possible way! Which I salute.
And don't give me any crap lecture about me being just as horrible for wishing them to die a slow horrifying death.
Anyone seen Law Ibiding Citizen? he revenge scene in this movie is just brilliant as it reflects what we all think but many don't dare to say.



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9027 times:

was just watching the news, last year there were 24,000 rapes reported in Delhi, only 1 man was sentanced to prison, something is really wrong here.

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8931 times:

What a shame. I can't speak to the specific cultural circumstances of India, but I can't help but wonder if the social structures that both discourage people from committing this horrible behavior and punish people who commit it, have had a hard time keeping up with economic growth and urbanization on the scale that India has experienced. Rapidly growing cities are always seen as lawless, uncertain places in American culture, I wonder if India is similar.

[Edited 2012-12-20 17:52:37]

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

Well, this year the Indian supreme court came down hard on honour killings (which is not just a Muslim thing, also uneducated Hindus commit those crimes, e.g. when different castes are involved in a love marriage as oppesed to a marriage arranged by the parents). The supreme court stated that those committing honour killings should be hanged.

Jan


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days ago) and read 8825 times:

Delhi Bus Gang Rape Case - A case of moral crisis and ideological fracture of India
(copy of deleted double-posted thread)

On Sunday night several men raped a girl in a moving bus in Southern Delhi, while beating up her male companion, all that after allegedly having robbed another passenger with 8000 Rs. That's according to the official version of the facts. There is little sense in discussing what they did, but more into how it actually happened and how exaggerated the public reactions and outcry is. Cause in a number of posters we see stuff such as "Don't tell women how to dress, tell men how to behave" or "Don't tell your daughter not to go out, tell your son to behave properly".

For me what all this points out at is a huge ideological and moral crisis taking place in India for several years now, which is struggling to find its way between its traditional moral heritage and the adoption of the Western views and style of life. Let me remind you that the country with the highest number of rapes per capita right after South Africa is the USA, and certainly not India, for the culture of sex, egoism, hedonism, materialism and violence it endorses and portrays. In my opinion rape prevalence is based on the combined ratio of:

a) emotional availability of women in a given society, female's empathy
b) extent to which sex is portrayed and banalised in the society (presented as just another way of pleasure, consumption and entertainment).

The lower a) (the emotional availability of women) is and the more b) sex is portrayed everywhere, the higher the rape incidence ratios in one society will be.

Back to the topic, for me this happens in India due to the rotting and abandonment of their traditional values by a large portion of the population (especially in the big metros, Delhi, Bangalore) under the pressure and infiltration of Western views on life, women and sex. And the case that now occurred is contested the most actually by those Westernised Indians who endorse such values and chant those slogans, so who indirectly helped it to happen by fuelling the ideological fracture and the moral crisis while indirectly creating a rape-prone atmosphere and environment in the country. (For who anyone who knows India, understands that Hindus are not exactly the violent/raping types, so what makes them behave like that more and more?)

Instead of further talking about "enhancing women's independence" i actually think India should get back to its traditional values and set a strict moral framework that wouldn't allow for such things to happen, neither will girls have the need to go out at 22h and mimic the Western way of life/clothing and the men will understand that if they do something like that they'll not be judged by a Western-like tribunal copy-pasting UK laws, but will actually lawfully get killed by the family and other people. Period. And as deplorable as it all might seem, the women and her friend don't seem to have been of a too pleasing character either since they actually got into a fight with the guys that maybe could have been avoided, but that went dangerously too far - wrong people at the wrong place. Wish them to recover and the perpetrators to repent on what they did and instead of being hanged hopefully one day start working in rape-prevention campaigns, after understanding what led them to commit such an act. Blind revengefulness doesn't solve anything.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/d...indows-driver-with-a-record-307230
http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/g...e-police-track-down-the-bus-306378


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 12):
how exaggerated the public reactions and outcry is.

Not really sure how outrage over a gang-rape and near-murder in a public bus can be exaggerated, but to each their own.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 12):
In my opinion rape prevalence is based on the combined ratio of:

a) emotional availability of women in a given society, female's empathy

What exactly do you mean by "emotional availability"? If women don't make themselves available to men as the men please, that actually increases the rape prevalence? Because men simply take what's rightfully theirs? Troubling attitude, not really far off from how rapists in South Africa rationalize and excuse their actions.
http://www.mrc.ac.za/gender/prev_rapedd041209.pdf

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 12):
b) extent to which sex is portrayed and banalised in the society (presented as just another way of pleasure, consumption and entertainment).

Any source whatsoever to back this up? Any study, statistics, long-term survey? Any source for your allegation that the U.S. is second behind South Africa in rape prevalence?

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 12):
Instead of further talking about "enhancing women's independence" i actually think India should get back to its traditional values and set a strict moral framework that wouldn't allow for such things to happen, neither will girls have the need to go out at 22h and mimic the Western way of life/clothing

Welcome back to the Middle Ages. Let's just lock our women and daughters up after dark, because those crafty men just can't be kept from raping them! Those rascals, eh?

There simply is no excuse for rape, period. Not the dress, not the time a women is walking outside, not her "emotional availability" or some such nonsense - nothing. Men who don't get that belong in jail. And that's all there's to it.



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User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 13):

I expected you and many other people getting over-emotional over this issue (especially those not akin with Indian culture), which certainly doesn't helps to understand the why and how. Before condemning people you first need to understand how the mind works and how mentalities and personalities are formed. That's part of psychological research. The easiest thing is to see everything black and white, knowing you can't explain it in the way it really is. But Rara coming from you i must admit it is a bit disappointing. This event is just a wave in a storm, not a separate incident in itself that deserves so much attention but a materialization of a much profound ideological turmoil that is hitting India at present in this globalization age.


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

This is a perfect media-sensation story though, awakening all the worst in the subconscious of everyone, therefore having a heavy media attention while countries where rape is a daily routine don't ever receive that much attention. Not to talk about other world-problems, anyway.

Quoting Rara (Reply 13):
ot really sure how outrage over a gang-rape and near-murder in a public bus can be exaggerated, but to each their own.

Take it or leave but simply being outraged won't solve anything. Instead of looking for the source of the problem inwards and thinking how could that happen, they go to shout on the streets. Not very constructive in my opinion.

Quoting Rara (Reply 13):
What exactly do you mean by "emotional availability"?

I think i defined it quite precisely.

Quoting Rara (Reply 13):
If women don't make themselves available to men as the men please, that actually increases the rape prevalence? Because men simply take what's rightfully theirs? Troubling attitude,

Sounds like you're a bit unsure in your manhood.

Quoting Rara (Reply 13):
Any source whatsoever to back this up? Any study, statistics, long-term survey? Any source for your allegation that the U.S. is second behind South Africa in rape prevalence?

Top 10 for 2010

1 - South Africa
2 - Botswana
3 - Lesotho
4 - Sweden
5 - Grenada
6 - Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
7 - Costa Rica
8 - Bahamas
9 - Saint Kitts and Nevis
10 - United States of America

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#UN_Rape_Statistics

USA is the second major country with highest rape occurrence per capita, or third if you want to count Sweden in it. So how come the "developed" Sweden and USA are right among the most retarded African countries? Well, because of the reasons i just explained. You would be also nicely surprised by the continuation of the list that goes as follows:

11 - Belgium
12 - United Kingdom
13 - New Zealand

I know it's hard to accept it. In 2009 Sweden "won" the second place while the US was on the 6th, with more countries participating in the research. The Asian and Muslim countries rank the lowest in terms of rape per capita, which further confirms my claim that some culture create and provoke such acts and attitudes.

Quoting Rara (Reply 13):
Welcome back to the Middle Ages.

The world was better during the Middle Ages in many ways.


User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8752 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 13):

From your own document that apparently you haven't read properly:

"Whilst this is a problem in its own right, it also gives rise to intergenerational cycling of
violence. Girls exposed to physical, sexual and emotional trauma as children are at increased
risk of re-victimisation as adults. Exposure of boys to abuse, neglect or sexual violence
in childhood greatly increases the chance of their being violent as adolescents and adults,
and reduces their ability to form enduring emotional attachments. Trauma during childhood
impacts on brain development, enhancing anti-social and psychopathic behaviour and
reducing the ability to empathise."

"Widespread abuse of alcohol and drugs
South Africa has one of the highest per capita alcohol consumption levels per drinker in the
world, social norms dictate that when we drink we consume a lot. Many of our acts of fatal
and non-fatal violence occur after alcohol and drug abuse, especially fights, some types of
homicide and rape. Many victims of violence are also rendered vulnerable by alcohol.
In a vicious cycle, victims of violence often start drinking heavily to deal with the trauma they
have experienced, but their drinking makes it harder from them to escape from violence in
their lives. Children are often left very vulnerable by their parents’ drinking."

This is what i'm trying to talk about. Not just pointing the stupid finger at the guilty but trying to understand why did it happen which is even more complex in the case of India than South Africa.

EDIT: Added quotation.

[Edited 2012-12-21 10:22:36]

User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):

As said before, the US and the majority of Western countries have far more issues with rape than India so don't stigmatize the whole country and culture based on one event. And don't forget we're talking of a country with 3 times the population of the US. The shootings that occurred there are a much bigger case of concern for me than this.


User currently offlineBarfBag From India, joined Mar 2001, 2252 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8730 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 17):
As said before, the US and the majority of Western countries have far more issues with rape than India so don't stigmatize the whole country and culture based on one event. And don't forget we're talking of a country with 3 times the population of the US. The shootings that occurred there are a much bigger case of concern for me than this.

Well said. Thank you.



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User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8696 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 17):

Yes but it doesn't excuse what happen. Also, it wasn't initially reported but the young woman was violated with an Iron Rod and that's why her intestines turned gangrenous and had to be removed. Tupolev, India is a democracy and People are free to live their lives. Women shouldn't have to fear getting on a bus at night. That is unacceptable.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8686 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 14):
I expected you and many other people getting over-emotional over this issue (especially those not akin with Indian culture), which certainly doesn't helps to understand the why and how.

I can't really say I'm over-emotional over this. It's a sad and shocking incident, but in a country of more than a billion inhabitants, this stuff unfortunately happens. Only if somebody suggests that women had it coming because of going out late and because of the way they dress, for me a whole number of red flags go up.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 15):
Sounds like you're a bit unsure in your manhood.

Nice.   In another thread, you suggested that I was "mentally and physically unfit to father children".   Which is a rather surprising insight considering you don't know much about me other than screenname and the fact that I believe women shouldn't be locked up in the cellar with chastity belts on.

I'm not any less guilty of speculation than you are, but to me it seems you're simply afraid of modern women.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 15):
1 - South Africa
2 - Botswana
3 - Lesotho
4 - Sweden
5 - Grenada
6 - Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
7 - Costa Rica
8 - Bahamas
9 - Saint Kitts and Nevis
10 - United States of America

So - what do we see here? A rather eclectic mix of very developed countries, very underdeveloped countries, religious countries, secular countries, large countries, small countries - in other words, there isn't any clear trend at all.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 15):
So how come the "developed" Sweden and USA are right among the most retarded African countries? Well, because of the reasons i just explained.

Or because Swedes and Americans are much more willing to actually report a rape case, while in many other countries women may be too scared to actually go to the police and report it. Who knows.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 15):
The world was better during the Middle Ages in many ways.

For women it wasn't.

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 17):
As said before, the US and the majority of Western countries have far more issues with rape than India so don't stigmatize the whole country and culture based on one event. And don't forget we're talking of a country with 3 times the population of the US. The shootings that occurred there are a much bigger case of concern for me than this.

Certainly true. I don't wish to stigmatize India and I wouldn't suggest that the rape issue is any more pressing in India than in other places. Still, I don't think such an indicent could have taken place in a public bus around here. If an incident like this is possible in public, something is wrong and needs to be addressed.

Quoting caliatenza (Reply 19):
Women shouldn't have to fear getting on a bus at night. That is unacceptable.

Exactly.



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User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8602 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 15):
I know it's hard to accept it. In 2009 Sweden "won" the second place while the US was on the 6th, with more countries participating in the research. The Asian and Muslim countries rank the lowest in terms of rape per capita, which further confirms my claim that some culture create and provoke such acts and attitudes.

PLEASE!!! I really hope you dont actually believe this. Maybe it is because is the middle eastern countries/India, your life is pretty much over if you have been raped, and in the United States/Sweden you will probably see justice. Therefore women in westernized countries are much more willing to report it. IMHO, i think the western countries take it overboard with the punishment of sex offenders (registration and such). Whereas in india/ME if you get raped, you basically are unmarriagable and abandoned by your family and society.

Quoting Rara (Reply 20):
Or because Swedes and Americans are much more willing to actually report a rape case, while in many other countries women may be too scared to actually go to the police and report it. Who knows.

  



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8558 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 12):
for me this happens in India due to the rotting and abandonment of their traditional values by a large portion of the population (especially in the big metros, Delhi, Bangalore) under the pressure and infiltration of Western views on life, women and sex. And the case that now occurred is contested the most actually by those Westernised Indians who endorse such values and chant those slogans, so who indirectly helped it to happen by fuelling the ideological fracture and the moral crisis while indirectly creating a rape-prone atmosphere and environment in the country. (For who anyone who knows India, understands that Hindus are not exactly the violent/raping types, so what makes them behave like that more and more?)

Well said...and see below.

Quoting Rara (Reply 20):
Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 15):
1 - South Africa
2 - Botswana
3 - Lesotho
4 - Sweden
5 - Grenada
6 - Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
7 - Costa Rica
8 - Bahamas
9 - Saint Kitts and Nevis
10 - United States of America

So - what do we see here? A rather eclectic mix of very developed countries, very underdeveloped countries, religious countries, secular countries, large countries, small countries - in other words, there isn't any clear trend at all.

Here's what I see... historic sexually repressed British Colonial influence that has affected attitudes of living great grandparents, grandparents and parents for decades. And those attitudes crippled and warped the minds/attitudes of successive offspring. The United States...not included because we went thru a serious sexual revolution - a sexual reckoning of sorts which paved the way for a full frontal assault of addressing homosexuality like no nation every has. But on the other hand many nations recognized with in credible ease like Israel (the whole military thing).. However, we also have the strongest advocacy with regard to 'reporting sexual assaults'..all things being equal, if every nation on the planet had equal aggressive reporting of sexual assaults..that 1-10 rating would look entirely different with US dropping further down the line on a per capita basis. When men in many of these cultures are so repressed the look to the one target they can 'get away with it with relative ease'.. attacking a female. And even the the US still does not have a full accounting of true and all sexual assaults. In countries with lesser grades of justice (look at the list), the greater the chance of many assaults going unreported. Sweden, probably has the highest number of accurate reports of assaults (immigrants may even supress that truthful accounting).

But back to the attitudes greatly tied to past British attitudes. India is the land of the Karma Sutra, sexual repression hasn't always been a probably here. Only seriously talking root with the arrival of the British and the impetus to be like them. India just decriminalized homosexuality in the 21st Century..incredibly late to the scene. Child abuse (sexually) must be off the grid in this place..it is honestly and horrificly portrayed in films like Salaam Bombay and the most disturbing true life depiction 'The Bandit Queen of India' (not a film for the weak hearted - fair warning).

India and many other nations (China with it's widening male-to-female ratios) need a sexual awakening of sorts to counter the decades of repressive attitudes. Or it will get worse before it gets better.


BN747



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 8514 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 20):
Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 15):
So how come the "developed" Sweden and USA are right among the most retarded African countries? Well, because of the reasons i just explained.

Or because Swedes and Americans are much more willing to actually report a rape case, while in many other countries women may be too scared to actually go to the police and report it. Who knows.

Also Swedish law has a very far reaching definition of rape, much wider than in most other countries. I got told that in Sweden as a man you´d better let the woman make the first move, in front of witnesses, so that you can´t be accused of rape later.

Jan


User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 17):
As said before, the US and the majority of Western countries have far more issues with rape than India so don't stigmatize the whole country and culture based on one event. And don't forget we're talking of a country with 3 times the population of the US. The shootings that occurred there are a much bigger case of concern for me than this.

What complete BS, so you're saying that only 1 conviction and imprisonment from 23,000 reported rapes in one city in India isn't a problem and is minor in comparison to Western countries. Just imagine how many rapes take place in India, it must run into millions per year.


25 Ps762 : Hi! Sorry I didn't read it all but I will only reply to the original poster. Yes I know things like this may be problems but I don't think they are th
26 par13del : Ok, lets visit this situation in more depth. Rape in many countries is not about men seeking pleasure from women who deny them but is a form of punis
27 Post contains links Tupolev160 : http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/27/wo...sia/india-rape-protests/index.html I mean, one thing is to rape a woman but to do this...this is like a massacr
28 MWHCVT : The BBC have just tweeted that this indecent has become even more horrific with this young woman succumbing to her injuries
29 RussianJet : Yup - turns out they have killed her. Those monsters murdered her. It makes me sick to the core.
30 Pellegrine : I feel so much, putting it into words would be futile. I have a friend who is a woman in Mumbai now, I have a few male friends in Delhi. I was conside
31 Post contains images caliatenza : A lot of things need to change over there . It's really sad that it has come to this . The media there is doing a good job of questioning though.
32 RussianJet : Well, here's hoping at least that some kind of positive lasting legacy comes out of this horrific attack. And - that the attackers get all that they
33 Dreadnought : In many of those countries rape routinely leads to punishment of the woman, whether by the justice system or by the families, so naturally it will ve
34 Post contains images RussianJet : In the west, in spite of huge initiatives to encourage rape victims to come forward and report the crime they have suffered, unreported rape is a mas
35 777way : If you watch the true case re-enactment shows aired on some Indian chanels you would lose trust in humanity, most of the cases shown are solved by pol
36 Post contains links caliatenza : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tMXRvD3JhU . These are the sort of idiots in power
37 Post contains links and images Pu : As many as half of rape reports in western countries are bogus, often a tool used by women (who are angry for other reasons) because it is taken so s
38 fridgmus : This lovely young lady is now in a place where she will feel no more pain. May she Rest in Peace and those COWARDLY worthless pieces of filth who comm
39 MD11Engineer : I´m quite sure that the perpetrators will have an appointment with the hangman soon. Maybe not the one perpetrator of minor age (who´s case will be
40 BarfBag : That's going too far to characterize an entire city and beyond as uncivilized for the actions of a few. How would an American feel if an Indian stere
41 Post contains links Pellegrine : My Indian friends are the ones who said such bad things about Delhi and North India in general. I was frankly shocked by what they said before this m
42 na : This crime really shakes the Indian nation. On saturday I had a sightseeing tour through Delhi, the whole government area was roadblocked, and many me
43 MD11Engineer : If they don´t get killed by their fellow prisoners first. I´ve read somewhere that one of them had to be locked away in solitary confinement becaus
44 BarfBag : You are misreading my post. I'm not trivializing the crime. I'm suggesting that you do not tar and feather an entire population based on one horrific
45 DocLightning : My heart bleeds for him. Truly.
46 MD11Engineer : Its a miracle that she survived so long and was even able to make a statement to the police. In India they are using the British method of the the ca
47 Post contains links windy95 : http://www.eutimes.net/2011/03/20-re...at-stockholm-public-swimming-pool/ This is why Sweden is on the list.
48 KiwiRob : Sweden has a huge problem with immigrant males raping ethnic Swedish females, Oslo has similar problems, most of the rapes which are reported are mai
49 777way : ^ With your declining populations thats going to increase, I mean the immigration, and you have only third world countries for that void to be filled.
50 Post contains links and images MD11Engineer : My bold. It is good that you stared this, not the rapes. In India it looks as if people have had enough, not just of rapes and assaults, but also of
51 windy95 : That would be third world Muslim immigrant's The politicians who foist these people on their own native population should be hung from the highest fl
52 Post contains links RussianJet : The King of Swaziland in his 'infinite wisdom' also recently instituted such laws. He's a jerk. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-offenders-fac
53 777way : Declining population means lack of manpower leading to others issues, I doubt those countries want that.
54 RussianJet : Politicians don't want it, much of the populace would prefer to cope regardless.
55 777way : Fact remains Europe needs the third world immigrants they have no choice.[Edited 2013-01-04 14:54:49]
56 Post contains links Pellegrine : Blah blah blah. India has a far lower standard for women's rights than most "developed" countries. De jure and de facto. India has been labeled the W
57 Post contains links stealthz : Maybe they do but does that also include the expectation(and acceptance) many behave like savages from the middle ages or beyond? Back to the tragic
58 caliatenza : I read about that too, and it was one of the most retarded things ive ever heard. Any lawyer with half a brain should be able to shoot right through
59 RussianJet : You'd think so. The very fact that this is put forward as a serious defence in a case like this is perhaps the most telling thing about large section
60 Aesma : Well, such defense was common in "civilized" countries not too long ago, when a trial happened, which was not that often. What will be interesting is
61 WingsFan : I agree, At the same time it must be understood that unlike western countries, in India, the general population does not agree that every accused , e
62 RussianJet : Well, given that you just suggested that it'll be very hard to get proper legal representation, a farce would seem pretty likely.
63 Post contains images caliatenza : i hope they dont escape somehow and that girl's family gets the justice that she is deserved. It makes me ashamed to be Indian, honestly . So many pe
64 sudden : I am by no means a barbaric person, but may I ask why? If you ask me his life is not worth anything, and it should be taken from him in the worst pos
65 Rara : He was being sarcastic. Still, I don't like this gloating over the mistreatment of delinquents. These people dehumanized the poor girl, which is terr
66 Post contains links and images caliatenza : http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report...-gang-rape-victim-s-mother_1788340 . Reading this article makes you want to cry ...truly a sad state affairs.
67 na : I am against the death penalty. That would be too grateful for them. They should select the worst prison in the country, with the worst inmates. I am
68 MD11Engineer : Reading this it remindes me of my Filipina fiancée and her family: A poor family, where the parents worked hard and spent all their money on the bes
69 KiwiRob : I think burning them alive would be far worse than a life in prison.
70 sudden : As I have said earlier, I think they should hand them to the public. They will sort it out in the worst possible way.
71 777way : All five finger are not alike, shit happens, so you get a businessman, a doctor, a teacher, a factory worker and an uncouth charater in the mix. Such
72 sudden : That itself deserves a public beating! Sorry but this is simply out of order that the defence are even allowed to talk like this.
73 aeroblogger : Well, I'm not really sure what the defense is supposed to say then... This kind of brutality is absolutely indefensible. Just because the defense is
74 AR385 : I don´t understand. Five of the alleged rapists took at least two weeks to find lawyers, as no one would voluntarily represent them. That is what I r
75 sudden : True, but you get my point. If an attorney here in Europe, or US would say something like this after a similar act, god help that attorney, I dare to
76 Post contains links caliatenza : http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...a-country-that-degrades-women.html "In a sense it is fitting that the alleged rapists and murderers lived withi
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