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Ever Been The Subject Of Homophobia/ Racism/ Etc?  
User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3098 posts, RR: 9
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Anyone here ever been the subject of blatant homophobia, racism, antisemitism, etc?

I've certainly had my share of it.


Growing up gay and Jewish, got it from both sides. As an adult, I see how gender and sexual discrimination plays out.

Any stories from the field that people want to share?


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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11460 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Of course. We all have. I grew up in the most conservative corner of Oregon. And gay. And my first serious boyfriend was African-American. Yeah, I got it from all sides. I got fired from Subway for being gay. The whole reason I was fired was because my best friend (gay) would come in on my lunch break and we would talk about current events. Mostly Matt and Bob's. It was way before any gay legislation was passed. The manager tried friending me on Facebook. I declined.

I am over it anymore. I have noticed that, even in rural areas, no one really cares about the whole gay thing. Except two consenting adults signing a state government issued contract. That is just evil and wrong?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

My favorite is: "I'm not a homophobe and you don't have to be a homophobe to disagree..."

...disagree that I should be able to enter a legal contract with another consenting adult of my choosing because we're both men? Yeah, not homophobia.

I've been spared most of it. In residency, some of the nurses who were from the Caribbean (notoriously homophobic) found out I was gay and came almost to the point of hurting my patients to make me look bad. To me, the worst part was that they were endangering innocent babies because they didn't like the fact that I was gay and wanted to get me fired.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7112 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5054 times:

I got called a "honkey" once by some african american dude at Wendy's .... about 10 minutes before he tried robbing the place, and got slammed in the crotch by some 90+ year old woman with an oxygen tank.

Nothing makes me smile more than an idiot getting nutshotted by a tanking grandma.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5007 times:
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Once in a bar with an oriental ex-girlfriend, she asked to get past a couple of girls who responded with mock Chinese accents and derogatory comments about China. They soon regretted it when I very publically but calmly demanded they explain why they thought it was acceptable to dish out such racist behaviour to people, particularly someone who spoke the local language better than probably they did, and finished by pointing out that they clearly couldn't even distinguish between someone from Russia and someone from China. They left, the main protagonist in tears. Hopefully it made them think twice about doing something like that again. It was also very satisfying when a male companion of theirs who reacted very aggressively in defence of these airheads was forced to shut up when they eventually admitted what they said, albeit maintaining it was all just a joke and they weren't really racists.


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8666 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4975 times:

I don't think I have. I have of course been on the receiving end of "He's not even from 'round here!" nonsense, but the people who spouted it didn't really have an influence on me.


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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1329 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

I was subjected to quite a bit of harassment in school for being gay (I wasn't 'out' but it didn't take a genius to figure it out), but the one instance that I remember where I faced blatant discrimination happened because of my ethnic background.

In 1998 I travelled to Chicago to attend a conference for honor students from US colleges and universities, representing the University of Puerto Rico. The four of us -two professors, a female student and I - didn't quite fit into your typical Hispanic/Latino stereotype as we were all pale white and spoke English well. A student from a Missouri university approached our group and started to chat the girl that was with us--that is, until he asked her where she was from. As soon as the girl said "Puerto Rico" his faced turned into a frown and he said "I'm sorry but I have go sit with someone better" and left.

Although not really discrimination, I have also been faced with a bit of ignorance when it comes to being a Puerto Rican. I think the worse was a Colonel in the Air Force who once asked me when I got my green card and immigrated to the US... she was very sweet and nice, just had no idea that PR is a US territory and that we are US citizens by birth!


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3521 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4851 times:

Sure, I grew up white in minority neighborhoods. Not worth telling the stories. Getting beat was not unusual.

User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

In 1977, a six year old SmittyOne got punched in the face by a curly-haired, dark-skinned boy on the playground when I went up and said hello. The comments that accompanied the assault indicated that it was because I was a straight-haired, light skinned boy.

What a douche.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Nothing makes me smile more than an idiot getting nutshotted by a tanking grandma.

Hopefully it was the same guy.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7082 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

I think being a minority group in any society would get you some negative comments. I'm a non white in a predominantly white country and while 99.9% of people here are accepting and great, you do get the odd comment every now and then when in public where some one tells you to go home, not to 'steal' their job, you don't belong here etc...
On the other end of a scale, I've had people come and try chat to me and they speak very slowly with hand gestures (Obviously thinking I'm someone who can't speak English) which is equally annoying IMHO. They get a shock when I answer them like any local would...
Been rejected by a couple of girls as well due to skin colour/parents not approving (So I'm told) but I put that more to personal tastes in their partners than actual discrimination. (i.e you can't help it if you're attracted to a certain group of people). Many of them are still friends and are good people.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24952 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4746 times:
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Funniest one I ever had was in about 1980, when I was sacked.

Boss: "And before you try any of that homosexual shit, it isn't because you're queer - it's because you're not ashamed of being queer."

I survived. I always have.  

mariner



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4741 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
Boss: "And before you try any of that homosexual shit, it isn't because you're queer - it's because you're not ashamed of being queer."

Both hilarious and forehead-slappingly dreadful all at once! I can only hope you got the last word in.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12267 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 8):
In 1977, a six year old SmittyOne got punched in the face by a curly-haired, dark-skinned boy on the playground when I went up and said hello. The comments that accompanied the assault indicated that it was because I was a straight-haired, light skinned boy.

Roughly a decade earlier, a seven year old Revelation, who was starting at a new elementary school, went up to a girl of a similar age group at recess and said hello, and in return she kicked him in the cajones. Before that moment in time the seven year old Revelation didn't much realize he had cajones, but at that moment in time he was painfully aware of them. My guess is the girl had brothers and had tried out this particularly devastating form of greeting in the past. It gave Revelation a certain wariness with regards to females that he's kept to this day.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24952 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
Both hilarious and forehead-slappingly dreadful all at once! I can only hope you got the last word in.

His company went bust within a year.  

Obviously, there was a lot of homophobia - and racism - back in the bad old days, there were a lot of battles, both overt and (perhaps worse) covert.

But there were surprising positives. When I was in my early twenties in London, I lived with a couple of others in a flat in Pimlico - a "gay area" if there was such a thing in London then. We had an ambivalent relationship with the police force (Polari: Lily (Law) and Jennifer (Justice)), but mostly, they left us alone, although, of course, there were some ugly instances. Mostly, we thought we were under the police radar.

Then a series of vicious murders of young ay men happened, and after the second one it was thought it was a serial killer, targeting gays.

After the third murder, the cops visited just about every flat in Pimlico where gays lived and warned us all to keep off the streets until they'd found "the bastard."

Those who thought that "no one knew" that they were gay had a heck of a shock.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-20 16:11:30]


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User currently offlinenickh From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
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I would like to mention that those of us who are physically handicapped get this sort of treatment as well.

I lost my left leg about 15-years ago in a bad accident, and while I was in a wheel chair for a few years, I can now get around for short distances with a cane. Even though I have a blue (permanent) handicapped placard on the windshield of my car, I still get dirty looks sometimes when I park in a handicapped parking spot.

They usually calm down when they see me limp out of the car with my cane.

I have been yelled at a couple of times by octegenarians who evidently did not see the placard hanging from my inside rear view mirror and have been approached by panhandlers and other scam artists who think that someone who is handicapped is probably an easy mark.

I would also like to mention that a lot of inconsiderate people abuse the "courtesy boarding" for handicapped people that most airlines offer. On more than a few occasions, I have noticed that people who have NO discernable physical handicap whatsoever (well, Mental handicap, obviously) have cut ahead of other handicapped people just because they want to.

I have never asked for special priviledges just because of my physical limitations, ever, but just some common courtesy would be nice, once in a while.

There are all kinds of prejudice in the world, but the physically handicapped are also among the ones who are affected.
Another example - my family is (mostly caucasian, part Indian), but my sister-in-law is Vietnamese and my girlfriend is a redhead from Manchester, England. After a while, you get used to the "knowing glances" from strangers.

-Nick
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User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 798 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

Very similar to what happened to Charles, as an International Cabin Crew member at BA, more than once did London based crew members make derogatory remarks because of my nationality. But more so issues like not offering crew food, assuming we had to get the last choice in crew rests and even trying to make you do their jobs as if we worked for them, were definitely not uncommon. This was not a general attitude but a very common one. One time at a briefing 4 crew members were keeping the rest of the crew waiting to get started, and a crew member simply stated that as usual the lazy South Americans were late. Sadly for her we were there (not sure how she thought we looked like) and the CSD bumped off the flight after the remark.

Sad to say, several times in this forum my opinions have been dismissed because of my nationality, several members here love to assume that my level of education or my opinions have no validity as they believe their own opinions have more weight because of the national background.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2930 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

I guess this counts as racism. A six year old einsteinboricua was actually called to a casting for Welch's Grape Juice (the Spanish version). He memorized a 2 page script in less than a day and went to casting the following day. According to the director, I was the only one that managed to memorize the entire script and do it in a single run and she commented to my mom that I may have a large chance of being selected for the commercial.

Turns out I wasn't. Why? The producers preferred a child that matched the English version of the commercial and thus selected a white, fair haired boy. Since I didn't know how he did, I can't say whether he actually did better than me at the casting call, but nonetheless it sucks when you select a person just for his/her skin color (kinda like voting for the white guy simply because he's white).   

Don't worry. I went on to do plenty of commercials later on. Have been off for many years though. 



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3521 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
I guess this counts as racism.

Casting and marketing for color is racism?

I think we have expanded the definition of the word far beyond reasonable use. I recommend reading its official definition.

[Edited 2012-12-20 22:16:55]

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2930 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 17):
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
I guess this counts as racism.

Casting and marketing for color is racism?

Well, it might not be racism, I'll give you that. But then why would I be called for a casting only to be basically told that since I'm not white I can't be in the commercial? If they only wanted white skinned people, then they shouldn't have asked everyone to audition and instead redirect the call only to those who matched the profile they wanted. To me it was a bit discriminatory not being chosen due to the color of my skin and had I been told that at the very beginning this conversation wouldn't be happening.

It's one thing when you clearly state the requirements for a role; it's another when it's a open call (meaning everyone can audition) only to fix the requirements at the last second.



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
Roughly a decade earlier, a seven year old Revelation, who was starting at a new elementary school, went up to a girl of a similar age group at recess and said hello, and in return she kicked him in the cajones. Before that moment in time the seven year old Revelation didn't much realize he had cajones, but at that moment in time he was painfully aware of them. My guess is the girl had brothers and had tried out this particularly devastating form of greeting in the past. It gave Revelation a certain wariness with regards to females that he's kept to this day.

Haha and thank you for also talking about yourself in the third person  


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Oh boy... racism and.. anti-bratism?..

I was, am, an army brat.
I moved around a lot so I was never in one spot long enough to make a clique of friends together. I learned to be a loner with one or two friends for occasional company. Also, I had the most neutral, almost Cambridge like, accent you've ever heard. Folks in the same boat as me call it the "army accent".

So, dad left the Army in 93 and we settled down in Scotland. That is where the fun begins.

I entered the local High School, not as a first year pupil, but straight into second year. (I think that’s 9th Grade in Yankspeak). So, I got all the usual new boy stuff. I was used to that.
However, my accent soon became the focus of attention. The Scottish are a friendly folk for the most part, but woe betide you if you’re English, or perceived to be English. They did just that.
Once the antagonists learned of my German descent, I got a hell of a shellacking.
Nazi was a particularly favourite taunt for them.

I got used to it. Mostly I ignored it. Once or twice though I was cornered and had to fight. On one occasion I had the “advance to the rear” as once it was clear I had the upper hand, his mates piled in. Eight to One are not good odds.



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User currently onlinehkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Thankfully I can say I’ve never been the victim of a major racist attack.

However as an Indian born & raised living in Hong Kong, and also someone who considers himself a proud Hong Konger, there is some racist treatment in day-to-day life unfortunately. For example on the subway, a local moving away once I sit or stand next to them. This is a common occurrence but that’s about as bad as it’s ever been for me. HK is generally welcoming for foreigners, not quite comparable to the West, but very close.

Racism against non-whites is still a big problem in East Asia, and it’s much worse in South Korea & Japan that I don’t know how darker-skinned foreigners can actually tolerate it there.

It’s still amazing to see the shocking difference in the way how darker-skinned foreigners are treated compared to light-skinned foreigners by some East Asians (some, NOT all) in this day & age but attitudes are slowly, ever so slowly changing….

[Edited 2012-12-21 06:06:28]

[Edited 2012-12-21 06:08:09]

[Edited 2012-12-21 06:19:16]

[Edited 2012-12-21 06:31:45]

User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3521 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 18):
It's one thing when you clearly state the requirements for a role;

Actually under US law, advertising that only whites need apply would be racism.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13940 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

When I was married to my West African ex, I got it from both sides:
On one hand you had the white German idiots who were making snide remarks because I was married to a black woman, on the other hand several young men in the Sierra Leonian community association in Berlin were offended that I as a "whitebread" was attending their meetings (together with my then wife). I think they also saw me "stealing" one of their women.

Jan


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5484 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Have been accused of racist behavior, based upon a strained interpretation of word used. Accusation came from a person whom I had never met, he (or she?) having made the huge leap to impose racist intent in a post to a major aviation Internet forum. The intolerant one declined the opportunity to discuss the matter civilly, concluding that I obviously had racist intent, because I was from Texas.

Very odd to be the recipient of unjust accusations based upon factors which bear no relationship to the conduct. Also, very instructive to see how intolerance can take root for unexpected reasons.

I was outraged, offended at the time, but life's too short to allow my sensibilities to be materially affected by comments from one who lacks the core knowledge to make any accurate observations about me, my motives.

---

In junior high school years, was warned that I must change the bus I was riding to school, that I had to ride the "honky bus," and if I did not heed the warning, I'd get an ass-whipping. It was the first time I ever heard the term "honky," and it confused me, because I did not recall the coach who drove that bus honking the horn all that much. Really! I learned quickly what hey meant, and being the pragmatist that I am, started walking to school.

As it works out, the bus I was riding began its route in a neighborhood which was overwhelmingly African-American, and went through my neighborhood, which had a hodge-podge of ethnic and cultural backgrounds represented among its residents. I later learned that the kids from the "African American neighborhood" considered the African-American kids whose families had moved to my 'hood to be some kind of sell-outs because they dared to live among people of other racial and ethnic backgrounds. Very challenging for a 13-year-old to understand. Much older now, still the case.



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25 Post contains links planejamie : For me, I've not really experienced racism but homophobia an awful lot! Going to a British school in Saudi Arabia and whilst I wasn't out, it was obvi
26 mariner : My experience was quite different. I went to school in Jordan, the only British boy there and several of my Arab school mates and I had a grand old t
27 Post contains images planejamie : Wow, that sounds really tough In fact the few homophobic people my age I have encountered here haven't given me abuse for it and just ignore me which
28 NorthstarBoy : This is the closest I've come to experiencing Homophobia. Back when I was in college and pursuing a failed second degree in Travel Administration I wa
29 Aaron747 : There is a sort of hierarchy of foreigners in Japan (at least to Japanese thinking), and being from the US and California at that puts me somewhere ne
30 hkg82 : Yes the lighter your skin, the better you are treated. The darker the skin colour, the worse you are treated. That's East Asian mentality in general.
31 tz757300 : I do get to experience it every once in a while. I happen to live in a predominately black city and being one of the few white people, I get to experi
32 MD11Engineer : I had this when I was working in Shannon, Ireland, as well. The reason, as it was explained to me, was that there were a lot of foreign short time co
33 PHX787 : Aaron, I haven't had the chance to have to "apply" for anything in Japan yet, but I know soon I'll have to deal with it. I'm prepared for it. But what
34 EricR : For example, when signing up for a mobile phone, the locals can pay for it in installments whereas anyone with an alien registration card must pay for
35 flymia : Thankfully not too much. I remember traveling through Florida for my schools camping class and the cashier at wal mart asked us where we were from. We
36 kachum : some 20 years ago, I was a University student majoring in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering. After our 3rd year we had summer co-op program
37 PSA53 : Haha.Being in retail for years handling those very understanding customers just say two sets of magical words.NO REFUNDS!!! NO CHECKS!!! You can use
38 Aaron747 : Well some things changed, yes - but not to that extent. Instead of a separate gaijin card, the MOJ now issues the same type of resident ID that Japan
39 Ps762 : Hi! For what it's worth I will say sure. I've had people tell me my race doesn't exist, that is shouldn't exist. I've had people make fun of me for go
40 mandala499 : 1. In Hunter Valley in NSW... was taking a photo of the street scene when a "ute" drove by with a beer bottle as projectile aimed at me and the ute oc
41 CXB77L : I have experienced racism but only to the extent of what could properly be termed verbal bullying - something akin to telling me to 'go home' or mocki
42 Ps762 : Hi! While I respect your view I don't really see it that way. Maybe I am archaic. If I had a country I would like it to have strong borders and strick
43 Sonic : In Africa I have received some bad attitudes towards me, including shouts "ugly white" (from teenager passers by). It also seems that touts in Africa
44 ME AVN FAN : Nothing I would "want to share". I was not aware of being homosexual until about age 15. Then, some friends in school realized it. I did not make any
45 JoeCanuck : Ditto. I spent the first two decades of my life as a white minority in native Canadian communities. Some towns were fine, but I got my ass handed to
46 Post contains images blrsea : In November of 2001, during the thanksgivings week, my friends and I had been down to Crater Lake in Oregon, and then we drove to Medford around eveni
47 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - Are the "locals" you describe intent on "convincing" you to leave their pocket of the wood ? Do you refer to some "native teenagers" just a bit ang
48 Post contains images Akiestar : I'll throw in a more unusual set of stories: while I adore how open Eastern Europe is, I do have stories of racism and the perception of my race to sh
49 MD11Engineer : So you received the equivalent of what I call the "Joe"-surcharge in the Philippines. BTW, my Missus is Filipina of Chinese descent. BTW, my usual an
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