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Ever Been The Subject Of Homophobia/ Racism/ Etc?  
User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3222 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 23 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

Anyone here ever been the subject of blatant homophobia, racism, antisemitism, etc?

I've certainly had my share of it.


Growing up gay and Jewish, got it from both sides. As an adult, I see how gender and sexual discrimination plays out.

Any stories from the field that people want to share?


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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11797 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 21 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Of course. We all have. I grew up in the most conservative corner of Oregon. And gay. And my first serious boyfriend was African-American. Yeah, I got it from all sides. I got fired from Subway for being gay. The whole reason I was fired was because my best friend (gay) would come in on my lunch break and we would talk about current events. Mostly Matt and Bob's. It was way before any gay legislation was passed. The manager tried friending me on Facebook. I declined.

I am over it anymore. I have noticed that, even in rural areas, no one really cares about the whole gay thing. Except two consenting adults signing a state government issued contract. That is just evil and wrong?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20340 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (2 years 21 hours ago) and read 5203 times:

My favorite is: "I'm not a homophobe and you don't have to be a homophobe to disagree..."

...disagree that I should be able to enter a legal contract with another consenting adult of my choosing because we're both men? Yeah, not homophobia.

I've been spared most of it. In residency, some of the nurses who were from the Caribbean (notoriously homophobic) found out I was gay and came almost to the point of hurting my patients to make me look bad. To me, the worst part was that they were endangering innocent babies because they didn't like the fact that I was gay and wanted to get me fired.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (2 years 21 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

I got called a "honkey" once by some african american dude at Wendy's .... about 10 minutes before he tried robbing the place, and got slammed in the crotch by some 90+ year old woman with an oxygen tank.

Nothing makes me smile more than an idiot getting nutshotted by a tanking grandma.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (2 years 17 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Once in a bar with an oriental ex-girlfriend, she asked to get past a couple of girls who responded with mock Chinese accents and derogatory comments about China. They soon regretted it when I very publically but calmly demanded they explain why they thought it was acceptable to dish out such racist behaviour to people, particularly someone who spoke the local language better than probably they did, and finished by pointing out that they clearly couldn't even distinguish between someone from Russia and someone from China. They left, the main protagonist in tears. Hopefully it made them think twice about doing something like that again. It was also very satisfying when a male companion of theirs who reacted very aggressively in defence of these airheads was forced to shut up when they eventually admitted what they said, albeit maintaining it was all just a joke and they weren't really racists.


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8765 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (2 years 16 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

I don't think I have. I have of course been on the receiving end of "He's not even from 'round here!" nonsense, but the people who spouted it didn't really have an influence on me.


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User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 12 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

I was subjected to quite a bit of harassment in school for being gay (I wasn't 'out' but it didn't take a genius to figure it out), but the one instance that I remember where I faced blatant discrimination happened because of my ethnic background.

In 1998 I travelled to Chicago to attend a conference for honor students from US colleges and universities, representing the University of Puerto Rico. The four of us -two professors, a female student and I - didn't quite fit into your typical Hispanic/Latino stereotype as we were all pale white and spoke English well. A student from a Missouri university approached our group and started to chat the girl that was with us--that is, until he asked her where she was from. As soon as the girl said "Puerto Rico" his faced turned into a frown and he said "I'm sorry but I have go sit with someone better" and left.

Although not really discrimination, I have also been faced with a bit of ignorance when it comes to being a Puerto Rican. I think the worse was a Colonel in the Air Force who once asked me when I got my green card and immigrated to the US... she was very sweet and nice, just had no idea that PR is a US territory and that we are US citizens by birth!


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

Sure, I grew up white in minority neighborhoods. Not worth telling the stories. Getting beat was not unusual.

User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

In 1977, a six year old SmittyOne got punched in the face by a curly-haired, dark-skinned boy on the playground when I went up and said hello. The comments that accompanied the assault indicated that it was because I was a straight-haired, light skinned boy.

What a douche.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Nothing makes me smile more than an idiot getting nutshotted by a tanking grandma.

Hopefully it was the same guy.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

I think being a minority group in any society would get you some negative comments. I'm a non white in a predominantly white country and while 99.9% of people here are accepting and great, you do get the odd comment every now and then when in public where some one tells you to go home, not to 'steal' their job, you don't belong here etc...
On the other end of a scale, I've had people come and try chat to me and they speak very slowly with hand gestures (Obviously thinking I'm someone who can't speak English) which is equally annoying IMHO. They get a shock when I answer them like any local would...
Been rejected by a couple of girls as well due to skin colour/parents not approving (So I'm told) but I put that more to personal tastes in their partners than actual discrimination. (i.e you can't help it if you're attracted to a certain group of people). Many of them are still friends and are good people.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 hours ago) and read 4894 times:
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Funniest one I ever had was in about 1980, when I was sacked.

Boss: "And before you try any of that homosexual shit, it isn't because you're queer - it's because you're not ashamed of being queer."

I survived. I always have.  

mariner



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
Boss: "And before you try any of that homosexual shit, it isn't because you're queer - it's because you're not ashamed of being queer."

Both hilarious and forehead-slappingly dreadful all at once! I can only hope you got the last word in.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12961 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 8):
In 1977, a six year old SmittyOne got punched in the face by a curly-haired, dark-skinned boy on the playground when I went up and said hello. The comments that accompanied the assault indicated that it was because I was a straight-haired, light skinned boy.

Roughly a decade earlier, a seven year old Revelation, who was starting at a new elementary school, went up to a girl of a similar age group at recess and said hello, and in return she kicked him in the cajones. Before that moment in time the seven year old Revelation didn't much realize he had cajones, but at that moment in time he was painfully aware of them. My guess is the girl had brothers and had tried out this particularly devastating form of greeting in the past. It gave Revelation a certain wariness with regards to females that he's kept to this day.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 hours ago) and read 4823 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
Both hilarious and forehead-slappingly dreadful all at once! I can only hope you got the last word in.

His company went bust within a year.  

Obviously, there was a lot of homophobia - and racism - back in the bad old days, there were a lot of battles, both overt and (perhaps worse) covert.

But there were surprising positives. When I was in my early twenties in London, I lived with a couple of others in a flat in Pimlico - a "gay area" if there was such a thing in London then. We had an ambivalent relationship with the police force (Polari: Lily (Law) and Jennifer (Justice)), but mostly, they left us alone, although, of course, there were some ugly instances. Mostly, we thought we were under the police radar.

Then a series of vicious murders of young ay men happened, and after the second one it was thought it was a serial killer, targeting gays.

After the third murder, the cops visited just about every flat in Pimlico where gays lived and warned us all to keep off the streets until they'd found "the bastard."

Those who thought that "no one knew" that they were gay had a heck of a shock.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-20 16:11:30]


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User currently offlinenickh From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 hour ago) and read 4779 times:
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I would like to mention that those of us who are physically handicapped get this sort of treatment as well.

I lost my left leg about 15-years ago in a bad accident, and while I was in a wheel chair for a few years, I can now get around for short distances with a cane. Even though I have a blue (permanent) handicapped placard on the windshield of my car, I still get dirty looks sometimes when I park in a handicapped parking spot.

They usually calm down when they see me limp out of the car with my cane.

I have been yelled at a couple of times by octegenarians who evidently did not see the placard hanging from my inside rear view mirror and have been approached by panhandlers and other scam artists who think that someone who is handicapped is probably an easy mark.

I would also like to mention that a lot of inconsiderate people abuse the "courtesy boarding" for handicapped people that most airlines offer. On more than a few occasions, I have noticed that people who have NO discernable physical handicap whatsoever (well, Mental handicap, obviously) have cut ahead of other handicapped people just because they want to.

I have never asked for special priviledges just because of my physical limitations, ever, but just some common courtesy would be nice, once in a while.

There are all kinds of prejudice in the world, but the physically handicapped are also among the ones who are affected.
Another example - my family is (mostly caucasian, part Indian), but my sister-in-law is Vietnamese and my girlfriend is a redhead from Manchester, England. After a while, you get used to the "knowing glances" from strangers.

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User currently offlinebogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years ago) and read 4756 times:

Very similar to what happened to Charles, as an International Cabin Crew member at BA, more than once did London based crew members make derogatory remarks because of my nationality. But more so issues like not offering crew food, assuming we had to get the last choice in crew rests and even trying to make you do their jobs as if we worked for them, were definitely not uncommon. This was not a general attitude but a very common one. One time at a briefing 4 crew members were keeping the rest of the crew waiting to get started, and a crew member simply stated that as usual the lazy South Americans were late. Sadly for her we were there (not sure how she thought we looked like) and the CSD bumped off the flight after the remark.

Sad to say, several times in this forum my opinions have been dismissed because of my nationality, several members here love to assume that my level of education or my opinions have no validity as they believe their own opinions have more weight because of the national background.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

I guess this counts as racism. A six year old einsteinboricua was actually called to a casting for Welch's Grape Juice (the Spanish version). He memorized a 2 page script in less than a day and went to casting the following day. According to the director, I was the only one that managed to memorize the entire script and do it in a single run and she commented to my mom that I may have a large chance of being selected for the commercial.

Turns out I wasn't. Why? The producers preferred a child that matched the English version of the commercial and thus selected a white, fair haired boy. Since I didn't know how he did, I can't say whether he actually did better than me at the casting call, but nonetheless it sucks when you select a person just for his/her skin color (kinda like voting for the white guy simply because he's white).   

Don't worry. I went on to do plenty of commercials later on. Have been off for many years though. 



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
I guess this counts as racism.

Casting and marketing for color is racism?

I think we have expanded the definition of the word far beyond reasonable use. I recommend reading its official definition.

[Edited 2012-12-20 22:16:55]

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 17):
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 16):
I guess this counts as racism.

Casting and marketing for color is racism?

Well, it might not be racism, I'll give you that. But then why would I be called for a casting only to be basically told that since I'm not white I can't be in the commercial? If they only wanted white skinned people, then they shouldn't have asked everyone to audition and instead redirect the call only to those who matched the profile they wanted. To me it was a bit discriminatory not being chosen due to the color of my skin and had I been told that at the very beginning this conversation wouldn't be happening.

It's one thing when you clearly state the requirements for a role; it's another when it's a open call (meaning everyone can audition) only to fix the requirements at the last second.



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
Roughly a decade earlier, a seven year old Revelation, who was starting at a new elementary school, went up to a girl of a similar age group at recess and said hello, and in return she kicked him in the cajones. Before that moment in time the seven year old Revelation didn't much realize he had cajones, but at that moment in time he was painfully aware of them. My guess is the girl had brothers and had tried out this particularly devastating form of greeting in the past. It gave Revelation a certain wariness with regards to females that he's kept to this day.

Haha and thank you for also talking about yourself in the third person  


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Oh boy... racism and.. anti-bratism?..

I was, am, an army brat.
I moved around a lot so I was never in one spot long enough to make a clique of friends together. I learned to be a loner with one or two friends for occasional company. Also, I had the most neutral, almost Cambridge like, accent you've ever heard. Folks in the same boat as me call it the "army accent".

So, dad left the Army in 93 and we settled down in Scotland. That is where the fun begins.

I entered the local High School, not as a first year pupil, but straight into second year. (I think that’s 9th Grade in Yankspeak). So, I got all the usual new boy stuff. I was used to that.
However, my accent soon became the focus of attention. The Scottish are a friendly folk for the most part, but woe betide you if you’re English, or perceived to be English. They did just that.
Once the antagonists learned of my German descent, I got a hell of a shellacking.
Nazi was a particularly favourite taunt for them.

I got used to it. Mostly I ignored it. Once or twice though I was cornered and had to fight. On one occasion I had the “advance to the rear” as once it was clear I had the upper hand, his mates piled in. Eight to One are not good odds.



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User currently onlinehkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Thankfully I can say I’ve never been the victim of a major racist attack.

However as an Indian born & raised living in Hong Kong, and also someone who considers himself a proud Hong Konger, there is some racist treatment in day-to-day life unfortunately. For example on the subway, a local moving away once I sit or stand next to them. This is a common occurrence but that’s about as bad as it’s ever been for me. HK is generally welcoming for foreigners, not quite comparable to the West, but very close.

Racism against non-whites is still a big problem in East Asia, and it’s much worse in South Korea & Japan that I don’t know how darker-skinned foreigners can actually tolerate it there.

It’s still amazing to see the shocking difference in the way how darker-skinned foreigners are treated compared to light-skinned foreigners by some East Asians (some, NOT all) in this day & age but attitudes are slowly, ever so slowly changing….

[Edited 2012-12-21 06:06:28]

[Edited 2012-12-21 06:08:09]

[Edited 2012-12-21 06:19:16]

[Edited 2012-12-21 06:31:45]

User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 18):
It's one thing when you clearly state the requirements for a role;

Actually under US law, advertising that only whites need apply would be racism.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

When I was married to my West African ex, I got it from both sides:
On one hand you had the white German idiots who were making snide remarks because I was married to a black woman, on the other hand several young men in the Sierra Leonian community association in Berlin were offended that I as a "whitebread" was attending their meetings (together with my then wife). I think they also saw me "stealing" one of their women.

Jan


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5615 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Have been accused of racist behavior, based upon a strained interpretation of word used. Accusation came from a person whom I had never met, he (or she?) having made the huge leap to impose racist intent in a post to a major aviation Internet forum. The intolerant one declined the opportunity to discuss the matter civilly, concluding that I obviously had racist intent, because I was from Texas.

Very odd to be the recipient of unjust accusations based upon factors which bear no relationship to the conduct. Also, very instructive to see how intolerance can take root for unexpected reasons.

I was outraged, offended at the time, but life's too short to allow my sensibilities to be materially affected by comments from one who lacks the core knowledge to make any accurate observations about me, my motives.

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In junior high school years, was warned that I must change the bus I was riding to school, that I had to ride the "honky bus," and if I did not heed the warning, I'd get an ass-whipping. It was the first time I ever heard the term "honky," and it confused me, because I did not recall the coach who drove that bus honking the horn all that much. Really! I learned quickly what hey meant, and being the pragmatist that I am, started walking to school.

As it works out, the bus I was riding began its route in a neighborhood which was overwhelmingly African-American, and went through my neighborhood, which had a hodge-podge of ethnic and cultural backgrounds represented among its residents. I later learned that the kids from the "African American neighborhood" considered the African-American kids whose families had moved to my 'hood to be some kind of sell-outs because they dared to live among people of other racial and ethnic backgrounds. Very challenging for a 13-year-old to understand. Much older now, still the case.



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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4473 times:

For me, I've not really experienced racism but homophobia an awful lot!

Going to a British school in Saudi Arabia and whilst I wasn't out, it was obvious when I was 14/15. A group of very intelligent (brightest in the year) boys from varying backgrounds decided to use the fact I was British and (at the time) slightly camp as an excuse to turn everyone else against me by making up some very false rumours, beat me up (at times, though not often) and even during a lesson in front of a teacher if I was answering a question they would just talk over me and call me an idiot pretty much.

However, I feel this made me stronger and more tolerant of others and through it I made a few close friends, one of whom turned out to be gay as well (I don't need to go in to how that ended up). When I finally got the courage to tell someone (in this case my form tutor who was a very down to earth maths teacher who had retired once already) she pretty much ripped them to shreds on a parent's evening (because there was no issues academic wise) and they had caused disruption in other lessons I wasn't in. This actually sort of cured the problem but by then I was already due to leave to come back to the UK where I've had no issues at all with homophobia in school, it seems everyone these days (except politicians) are more accepting, yes there's the occasional joke but it's in good faith and I normally go along with it!

In fact the most recent (and only case for a long time) was when I was sat outside Starbucks in Blackpool one afternoon, with this guy I had met recently (we weren't properly dating yet). This middle aged drunk man came out of the store on his own right as this guy kissed me and he started shouting "THE F**KING QUEUE IN THERE IT'S TAKING F**** AGES TO MAKE A COFFEE" then goes "Oh I didn't know you two were shirt lifters, did I interrupt, I'm sorry, I don't mind stephen fry and that lot" then I suggest he goes to another cafe further up and he goes "WHAT SWIM THE BLOODY IRISH SEA, NO WONDER I HATE YOU QUEERS" and staggered off! We laughed about it to be honest!

Though an example of how bad Blackpool is for it, this was taken on a train from Blackpool (I don't know the people filming however): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20255934 - he was prosecuted for it.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 26, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4466 times:
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Quoting planejamie (Reply 25):
Going to a British school in Saudi Arabia and whilst I wasn't out, it was obvious when I was 14/15. A group of very intelligent (brightest in the year) boys from varying backgrounds decided to use the fact I was British and (at the time) slightly camp as an excuse to turn everyone else against me by making up some very false rumours, beat me up (at times, though not often) and even during a lesson in front of a teacher if I was answering a question they would just talk over me and call me an idiot pretty much.

My experience was quite different. I went to school in Jordan, the only British boy there and several of my Arab school mates and I had a grand old time - sexually. One boy became my "constant companion" and was accepted as such by the others in my class. We just didn't talk about it, and that attitude ran through the society.

I didn't encounter any overt homophobia until I went back to England, when I was sixteen and far too many people wanted to know my business. At college I became part of a group of other students and I thought they were my friends.

They were - until one guessed I was queer, blabbed to the others and they all point blank refused to have anything to do with me again. They wouldn't even speak to me, only about me. Once, I went to a party and they were all there. One of them fell to his knees in the middle of the room and begged God to make me understand I was wrong.

I was seventeen then, and the next few months were the loneliest of my life. Happily, I found more understanding friends.

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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 26):
My experience was quite different. I went to school in Jordan, the only British boy there and several of my Arab school mates and I had a grand old time - sexually. One boy became my "constant companion" and was accepted as such by the others in my class. We just didn't talk about it, and that attitude ran through the society.

I didn't encounter any overt homophobia until I went back to England, when I was sixteen and far too many people wanted to know my business. At college I became part of a group of other students and I thought they were my friends.

They were - until one guessed I was queer, blabbed to the others and they all point blank refused to have anything to do with me again. They wouldn't even speak to me, only about me. Once, I went to a party and they were all there. One of them fell to his knees in the middle of the room and begged God to make me understand I was wrong.

I was seventeen then, and the next few months were the loneliest of my life. Happily, I found more understanding friends.

mariner

Wow, that sounds really tough   In fact the few homophobic people my age I have encountered here haven't given me abuse for it and just ignore me which I'm fine with. At least you weren't there long and you're with better friends now though, that's the main thing.


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4437 times:
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This is the closest I've come to experiencing Homophobia.

Back when I was in college and pursuing a failed second degree in Travel Administration I was enrolled in a summer tour class which involved groups of students organizing and leading tours that the rest of the class would take. The culminating event for the course was a weekend tour involving a hotel stay. For that particular event, the class was divided into groups that handled different aspects of operating the tour. With every tour, the organizers were given a budget. As it happened the person in charge of the finances for the final tour was frustratingly obsessed with coming in under budget, or as she said "generating a profit," and had determined that myself and two other male students could stay in a room with two beds. She refused to authorize money to be spent on an extra room or even to authorize the rental of a rollaway bed from the hotel so that none of us would have to share a bed.

My assigned roomates were James and Franz. As it happened James and I arrived at the room before Franz did and staked out beds for ourselves. Franz came in later in the evening wondering where he was going to sleep since the two of us had already staked out beds. While I relaxed in bed, appearing to be asleep, James and Franz discussed the situation. Clearly, since James was 6'5, he needed his own bed. Franz was also not comfortable sharing a room with the professsor, who had his own room, as he felt it would be disrespectful so the only other option was to share a bed with me or to sleep on the floor.

Now, I dont have a problem sharing a bed with another man and i had deliberately stayed on one side of the bed so that Franz could share it with me, for years my brother and I slept in the same bed on visits to Grandma's house in Florida, it was just never an issue to me. Well, James made the suggestion that Franz and I could share a bed and Franz's reaction was: "I'm not sleeping in the same bed with that fag." I was shocked and horrified at being called such a thing, I'm not gay, I had never suggested that I was gay. Franz just assumed for reasons known only to himself that I was gay and so refused to share a bed with me. Franz ended up sleeping on the floor.

I'm not the confrontational type so I never let on that I had heard this slur and I was also sure that had I suddenly popped my head up, Franz would have been mortified. I just let it burn in my ears.

The following day, as we were packing up to leave, Franz had left his cell phone and pager in the room while he went for breakfast and I was sorely tempted to take both items and throw them in the river that ran by the hotel then let Franz think that he had lost them or left them somewhere, but, as I said, I dont start nor do i seek out confronations. I just wrote Franz off from then on as being a two faced SOB.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 29, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

There is a sort of hierarchy of foreigners in Japan (at least to Japanese thinking), and being from the US and California at that puts me somewhere near the top of the heap I guess. To be sure, there are still some instances of every day life here that mount to frustration, though it is ignorance more than discrimination. And frankly, one should expect it when living in a country that is 98% the same ethnicity. There are some foreigners here who get really up in arms about it, but they seem to miss the fact that they are truly a rarity here somehow.

The just-resigned governor of Tokyo was on record making all manner of ridiculous pronouncements, such as the French language being "useless" and Chinese and Koreans sure to "riot" were a natural disaster to occur.

The real trouble lies with official procedures. In some cases, being able to use the Japanese language actually puts one at a disadvantage since you can get a better understanding of how unfairly one is being treated, LOL. For example, when signing up for a mobile phone, the locals can pay for it in installments whereas anyone with an alien registration card must pay for the phone in full before making a contract. Applying for credit cards requires even greater hurdles - it took me six years to finally get one here despite having an income higher than most Japanese salarymen my age. But the basic premise is that companies are conservative with foreign residents because they've been burned before - and at the end of the day, I understand why they have separate policies for us and locals because of that. Where others might cry foul, I just say it comes with the territory - it's my choice to be here, after all.

By and large people are very friendly, and will treat you differently once they know a foreign person speaks and understands Japanese. Really the only minor annoyances are when people, especially young'uns, act like they don't understand what we say in Japanese. Or being constantly asked if one knows how to use chopsticks - ummm, yes we have them in my country too.



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User currently onlinehkg82 From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 29):
There is a sort of hierarchy of foreigners in Japan (at least to Japanese thinking), and being from the US and California at that puts me somewhere near the top of the heap I guess

Yes the lighter your skin, the better you are treated. The darker the skin colour, the worse you are treated. That's East Asian mentality in general. Although at least in Hong Kong, that mentality is adopted by only a small minority of the local population.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 29):
By and large people are very friendly, and will treat you differently once they know a foreign person speaks and understands Japanese.

Sadly that's not always the case here. A sizeable proportion of South Asians in Hong Kong have fully assimilated into local society and speak fluent Cantonese, yet some are still treated unfairly because they have "undesirable" brown skin (even though they have assimilated much more into society than any other racial group by far!). But again, it's only a small number of locals who can't see past skin colour, the vast majority are very appreciative & honoured that foreigners can speak their language fluently (like the Japanese).

[Edited 2012-12-23 05:41:23]

[Edited 2012-12-23 05:46:49]

[Edited 2012-12-23 05:49:39]

User currently offlinetz757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2876 posts, RR: 6
Reply 31, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

I do get to experience it every once in a while. I happen to live in a predominately black city and being one of the few white people, I get to experience racism indirectly. Often, I get inferior treatment in public settings such as being selected last, ignoring I'm there, etc but I've come to learn with it as it is definitely a older city and people have had their views a long time.

This is nothing to compared to when I was in South Korea. I was on a study abroad trip that had a couple dark skinned guys in our group. I've never experienced blatant racism like that from the much of the Korean community. I'm not sure why that is but it was very frustrating trying to operate as a group.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 32, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 29):
For example, when signing up for a mobile phone, the locals can pay for it in installments whereas anyone with an alien registration card must pay for the phone in full before making a contract
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 29):
But the basic premise is that companies are conservative with foreign residents because they've been burned before - and at the end of the day, I understand why they have separate policies for us and locals because of that.

I had this when I was working in Shannon, Ireland, as well. The reason, as it was explained to me, was that there were a lot of foreign short time contractors working in the local aviation industry (freelance engineers and mechanics with their own toolbox). Often these people f#cked off, leaving all their debts behind. Having been burned, the shopowners now insist on payment beforehand.
Heck, even in the place in Germany I live in landlords now often refuse to rent out to cabin crew of a certain lowcost airline. Too often the cabin crew disappeared without notice, owing the landlord rent and having trashed the flat. I have shared a flat with two cabin attendendants (one male and one female, both from Poland) for a year myself. While the guy was ok and did his share in keeping the place clean and handed over a tidy, clean room when he moved out, the woman was an absolute, spoiled, mess. She never cleaned up (unless she was expecting visitors), she dumped her dirty dishes in the sink and expected us to clean them for her and at the end she disappeared without giving notice, leaving her room full of rubbish.

If I had a flat to rent out I would only rent it out to pilots (who tend to be a bit more mature) or c abin crew or mechanics I really know well personally.

Jan


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 33, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Aaron, I haven't had the chance to have to "apply" for anything in Japan yet, but I know soon I'll have to deal with it. I'm prepared for it.

But what I saw recently were some changes to the code on how they treat foreigners, the most prominent one I heard is that foreigners are now not required to carry their gaijin card around all the time and are now not allowed to be subjected to random searches.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 29):
By and large people are very friendly, and will treat you differently once they know a foreign person speaks and understands Japanese. Really the only minor annoyances are when people, especially young'uns, act like they don't understand what we say in Japanese. Or being constantly asked if one knows how to use chopsticks - ummm, yes we have them in my country too.

I never had issues with people asking about that, because they tend to just assume with me. It's the Chinese and Koreans who give me baffled looks when I use chopsticks....then I remind them about my major lol



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 29):
For example, when signing up for a mobile phone, the locals can pay for it in installments whereas anyone with an alien registration card must pay for the phone in full before making a contract. Applying for credit cards requires even greater hurdles - it took me six years to finally get one here despite having an income higher than most Japanese salarymen my age. But the basic premise is that companies are conservative with foreign residents because they've been burned before - and at the end of the day, I understand why they have separate policies for us and locals because of that.

Ah yes, the fine balance between a higher risk demographic versus discrimination. While some may call it discrimination, the fact remains that higher risk groups generally pay higher premiums until a track record is established. The same principle applies here whereby the elderly pay higher premiums on auto or life insurance, credit challenged people have a more difficult time getting loans or have to pay higher rates, etc., etc.

Interesting story, but during the dot com bust, I knew of a couple foreign nationals who went back home country and left their expensive, highly levered cars at the airport parking lots for the lenders to deal with. I am not insinuating this was the norm, but these are the risk factors that businesses take into consideration.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 35, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Thankfully not too much. I remember traveling through Florida for my schools camping class and the cashier at wal mart asked us where we were from. We said Miami and his response was " that's funny you guys don't look Cuban." That was more funny than racist. And most of us were not Cuban.

I am half Hispanic and people say the way I look I can fit in, in lots of places and just seem like a local all over the world. My Spanish is not up to par though and in Miami that is a problem sometimes. I hate that, this is the United States and we speak English. It to some Hispanics they don't care and not speaking Spanish even if you know it is a insult to them. I have had gotten poor service or no service because I refuse to speak Spanish sometimes and the comments you hear in Spanish when they think you don't speak Spanish are very interesting.

Also some Hispanics down here call Americans gringos like this isn't American's country or city too. Some don't say it in a deogratory way but others do. It's fairly annoying. But again it could be worse.

[Edited 2012-12-23 09:15:55]


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User currently offlinekachum From Belarus, joined Jul 2006, 64 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

some 20 years ago, I was a University student majoring in Computer Science and Electrical Engineering. After our 3rd year we had summer co-op program where we had to go work at a company for a couple of months. There was a list of companies that we could pick from our 1st 2nd and 3rd choices and we would be accomodated accordingly. Most of these companies were somewhat related to defence industry, integral circuit makers, computer parts makers etc. I submitted my choices and got back the response that all of them were already taken and was assigned to another place.
There were about 200 students in total applying to these positions, and maybe 10 of them were Jewish.
When I arrived to the company on the first day of this program, I saw that all these other Jews showed up too. Turns out they all got there in the same way I did.
Apparently it was the only place Jews could be accepted too for 'security' reasons. We are talking 1990, the height of democratization and perestroika in Soviet Union.


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
Ever Been The Subject Of Homophobia/ Racism/ Etc?

Haha.Being in retail for years handling those very understanding customers just say two sets of magical words.NO REFUNDS!!! NO CHECKS!!!

You can use you're imagination from here.  Wow!



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8289 posts, RR: 26
Reply 38, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
But what I saw recently were some changes to the code on how they treat foreigners, the most prominent one I heard is that foreigners are now not required to carry their gaijin card around all the time and are now not allowed to be subjected to random searches.

Well some things changed, yes - but not to that extent. Instead of a separate gaijin card, the MOJ now issues the same type of resident ID that Japanese people get. You still need to have it on your person all the time as ID. Anytime the keisatsu want to talk to you, they can. What the MOJ did do is extend the periods for some visa categories by up to 2 years, lowered the criteria for a Permanent Resident visa (the gold standard) and eliminated the re-entry permit fees that all visa holders except PR had to pay when leaving and re-entering Japan.

Quoting EricR (Reply 34):
While some may call it discrimination, the fact remains that higher risk groups generally pay higher premiums until a track record is established.

Yeah that's why I'm OK with it - though I've had some interesting discussions with shop managers at times when the frustration boils over. There are others here who cry outright discrimination every chance they get and make the rest of us look bad.

Quoting hkg82 (Reply 30):
Yes the lighter your skin, the better you are treated. The darker the skin colour, the worse you are treated. That's East Asian mentality in general.

It's difficult for South Asians here as well. There is a good-sized contingent of South Asians in IT, especially in the metropolitan area in which I live. After talking to some of them, it would seem that dating and making Japanese friends seems to be exceptionally difficult for them regardless of language skill. For fairer-skinned foreigners, even complete dorks fresh out of university from various places have much better luck. It also didn't help that there was a sordid crime story involving a Nepalese man that was dragged out in the media here over the last 15 years because it went to trial several times before the highest district court in Tokyo recently ruled that the evidence against him was bunk and prosecutors had failed to follow several important protocols.



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

Hi!

For what it's worth I will say sure.

I've had people tell me my race doesn't exist, that is shouldn't exist. I've had people make fun of me for going to Church and for being persecuted and driven from our homes. I've had relatives leave their houses and country. I've known of people threatened and murdered. The other day my Mum's cousin took a taxi home and saw his neighbours murdered in front of him. Now they have little electricity and it is cold and they are scared to go out and they need bread. He said he was lucky he hadn't got out of the cab or he would be dead.

But to me this is life. It's stupid to pretend that racism is really bad and we should abolish it or we are all going to sing koombayah and hold hands. To me everyone is racist to some degree. I am I know that. But I am also peaceful (I try to be!) and try to be. Everyone has to deal with their own actions in the long run.

Many thanks.


User currently offlinemandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 40, posted (1 year 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

1. In Hunter Valley in NSW... was taking a photo of the street scene when a "ute" drove by with a beer bottle as projectile aimed at me and the ute occupants screamed "Asians go home"...
2. Was being intimidated by "hardline Muslim" students at uni in London (they insisted that it would be unGodly for me to do my Friday prayers with people other than them). Reported it to the Uni security, and police... only to be told, "nothing we can do". Even when I was cornered in front of their eyes, they said, "nothing we can do."
3. In UK, busted my high school's drug ring, only to be accused by one teacher of simply "trying to eradicate a rival supply chain", solely for the reason of me being a foreigner.
4. Spent over an hour in Sydney trying to open a USD account... after the white Aussie seeing I'm Asian, passed me over to his mainland Chinese colleague, who realizing I cannot speak Mandarin, passed me over to his Cantonese colleague, who realized I couldn't speak Cantonese so passed me over to his Vietnamese colleague, who, realizing I am not Vietnamese, passed me back to the white guy... who then, repeated the cycle again... all despite me saying I speak perfectly good English. That, was ridiculous in my eyes... and people wondered why there are racism in "multicultural societies"... well, when you get things like this... not surprising!

Mandala499



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2694 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (1 year 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 3921 times:
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I have experienced racism but only to the extent of what could properly be termed verbal bullying - something akin to telling me to 'go home' or mocking me in a fake Chinese accent. I've never been denied a service or served last due to my Chinese descent. That said, thinking back to my primary school/high school days, I was often selected last to be in teams during PE lessons, although that's probably more because of my lack of ability in any sport than my ethnicity. So I guess I've been relatively lucky in that sense. Nowadays, I'm immune to verbal taunts about my ethnicity. Such is life. It happens. I simply choose not to get offended, grow a thick skin and get over it.

There was this one time, however, when I was ordering bread at a bakery, the service attendant asked if I wanted my bread sliced, and if so, "thick or thin slice"? I replied, "thin". I had to repeat about three times with her pretending to not understand what I said, then began to condescendingly say "th-th-thin" as though I couldn't properly pronounce the "th" sound. I was not amused.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 24):
Have been accused of racist behavior, based upon a strained interpretation of word used. Accusation came from a person whom I had never met, he (or she?) having made the huge leap to impose racist intent in a post to a major aviation Internet forum. The intolerant one declined the opportunity to discuss the matter civilly, concluding that I obviously had racist intent, because I was from Texas.

This is one of my pet hates: people who so easily cry racism when there is none.

Quoting Ps762 (Reply 39):
But to me this is life. ... To me everyone is racist to some degree.

Unfortunately, this is very true. But I do not agree that

Quoting Ps762 (Reply 39):
It's stupid to pretend that racism is really bad and we should abolish it or we are all going to sing koombayah and hold hands.

I think racism is really bad, and we should [i]try[/] to abolish it. I understand, however, that some of us are predisposed to some degree of racism, whether consciously or unconsciously. To a certain extent, some of us form preconceived stereotypes about people or groups of people that we've never met (but hopefully, change those preconceived ideas once we've actually met them). But that doesn't make that behaviour any less deplorable.



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Hi!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 41):
I think racism is really bad, and we should [i]try[/] to abolish it. I understand, however, that some of us are predisposed to some degree of racism, whether consciously or unconsciously. To a certain extent, some of us form preconceived stereotypes about people or groups of people that we've never met (but hopefully, change those preconceived ideas once we've actually met them). But that doesn't make that behaviour any less deplorable.

While I respect your view I don't really see it that way. Maybe I am archaic. If I had a country I would like it to have strong borders and strick immigration to protect my race. Of course that is racist but it is also preserving my heritage and stuff. And if lots of "foreigners came into it of course I would get mad and call them names. Not because I hate their race but because they are living in my country. I personally don't feel I have any right to live in the UK or any other country. I am simply a refugee of sort living here as a guest until they kick me out. But of course life isn't like that. Nowone gets anything without fighting for it. But at this stage of my life I have no desire to live in the USA or Asia or Russia or anywhere. I think if we were to abolish racism we would have to abolish countries and ethnicities and colours of skin and religion etc. It will never happen I don't think. We are not going to change thousands of years of history.

I think personally maybe there are only two things which will change the World in this sense:

1. Alien contact or a war against aliens (just like Star Trek)

2. The women all left. As I see it the only reason guys fight is for chicks. Everything is because of chicks. You think if there were no women all us guys would be calling each other names and fighting each other and being religious fundamentaliststs and stuff! No way! We would just be sitting around having barveque drinking beers and chilling out!

Anyway sorry for the bad lecture.

Many thanks.


User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

In Africa I have received some bad attitudes towards me, including shouts "ugly white" (from teenager passers by).

It also seems that touts in Africa sometimes exploit racism accusations hoping to improve their sales. For example, I was accused of racism by a tout for not buying his goods (he said I have not bought them because he is Black but in fact I did not need them and was just passing by without even looking at the goods when he started verbally offering me them and eventually accused me of racism when I walked away). This is a ploy to make one feel guilty and buy the goods I assume.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 44, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
want to share?

Nothing I would "want to share". I was not aware of being homosexual until about age 15. Then, some friends in school realized it. I did not make anything out of it, and later realized that I simply am BIsexual. So what ? I am rather a bit NONsexual and so .... well. People around me knew IT for ages. but I never felt discriminated.

Interesting is that whores are in disrepute, but that when you are "at service" for gay customers you have no problems whatever.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 45, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 7):

Ditto. I spent the first two decades of my life as a white minority in native Canadian communities. Some towns were fine, but I got my ass handed to me on a semi regular basis by gangs of locals...sometimes standing up for my friends and family, other times because I looked at them funny.

You could never win. Beat one guy and he'll come back with a bunch more. Your guys beat their guys and the next gang is even bigger...and there is always more of them. Besides, they know where you live so there is no such thing as tactical retreat.

You take it and you learn to never go anywhere alone.



What the...?
User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 46, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

In November of 2001, during the thanksgivings week, my friends and I had been down to Crater Lake in Oregon, and then we drove to Medford around evening. In a taco bell parking lot, a person came to us and told us to "Go back to where we came from, as we are not welcome there".

Then, we went to dinner at a near by mall, and parked our car and were walking around the mall. A group of young men started shouting at us to go back to Afghanistan. I didn't hear them properly the first time, so I went near them and asked them what they said (much to the horror o my friends who were wondering what I was upto ) . Those people didn't say anything and glared at me and I assumed they were not talking to me, so I just said I thought they called me, and came back. My friends then told me what they had shouted. We went around the mall, and when we came back to the same place on the way to our car, they again shouted the same thing asking us to "go back to afghanistan". This time I heard them pretty clearly.

Then later that night, when we went to our motel and we were climbing up the stairs, and a bunch of senior men were climbing the stairs in front of us. They looked back, saw us, stared at us for a minute, and went up talking to each other, and we heard random words like "middle-eastern guys", "too many of them here" etc. Didn't catch the full conversation though.

None of us were from middle-east, or afghanistan!!


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 47, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 45):
white minority in native Canadian communities. Some towns were fine, but I got my ass handed to me on a semi regular basis by gangs of locals.

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Are the "locals" you describe intent on "convincing" you to leave their pocket of the wood ? Do you refer to some "native teenagers" just a bit angry that "those whites always have more money and always dominate" ? HAve they possibly been treated as piece of sh... by other whites before ?

Quoting blrsea (Reply 46):
e "middle-eastern guys", "too many of them here"

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such is the description of many Central/West/NorthWest-Europeans for whomever originates from south - southwest - southeast of Milano, between Casablanca and Dubai -- in their world there would otherwise be "Negros" or people with colourful Turbans
  


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

I'll throw in a more unusual set of stories: while I adore how open Eastern Europe is, I do have stories of racism and the perception of my race to share from my stay within the region. Some are very amusing, while others are just wrong.

(Disclosure: I'm Chinese Filipino, with hints of Spanish and French ancestry.)

Let's start with the relatively light ones first:

*When I arrived in WAW from LHR (a little treat for my 21st birthday, which I spent in Poland away from friends and family), I handed my passport over to the immigration officer to be stamped in, and she asks her fellow officer to sit closer as they "inspect" my passport. In Europe, Philippine passports have a very poor reputation, so she was surprised that not only was I studying in Poland, but that I also have a "new" biometric Philippine passport, so they were fondling with it and stuff for a good five minutes before returning it to me. (Before 2007, Filipinos had one of the worst passports in the world to have: it wasn't even machine-readable, the data page was hand-written in most cases, and it was prone to counterfeiting, so I understood their concerns.)

*In Montenegro, while I was visiting Kotor, the man manning the souvenir table (and admission booth) to the Kotor Cathedral was surprised that I was scanning through the religious items being sold. He asks me where I'm from, because he thought that someone like me wouldn't be interested in the items, and so I let him guess for the heck of it. It was when he ran out of guesses (normally, I'm either Chinese, Japanese or Korean to most Eastern Europeans) that I told him that I was Filipino. He was surprised that I was from a Catholic country (it was a Catholic church after all), especially given how rare Filipino tourists are in the former Yugoslavia.

This, of course, has to be weighed in against the darker stories:

*In some European countries, particularly in Eastern Europe, there is the perception that Asian tourists are wealthy (especially Chinese tourists), and so consequently, people try to take advantage of them in a myriad of ways (overcharging taxi drivers, solicitation, begging, etc.). This happened to me in Hungary, Latvia, the Czech Republic, Macedonia, Turkey and Romania.

*When I was entering Italy (flew JFK-FCO on AZ), I was expecting there to be no hassles with respect to my re-entry to the Schengen Area: I had a multiple-entry visa, exited the Schengen Area twice prior to that time (including a prior visit to the U.S.), and had no intention of becoming an illegal alien in Italy. The immigration officer scans my passport (and my person), and asks for my residence permit, to which I told him that I didn't need one: Poland does not require residence permits for students holding multiple-entry visas for stays less than one year. He calls his fellow immigration officer, who brings me to their office, and I was left to wait outside for a good 10-15 minutes while they were sorting me out. The chief officer then asks me in a somewhat off-putting tone (or that could just be me) what I was doing in Europe, to which I gave her the appropriate answers. After 1-2 phone calls, she stamps my passport and hands it back to me. I mean, seriously: am I that dubious to the Italians that I needed to go through the gauntlet just to re-enter the Schengen Area?! [N.B.: This was the only time this happened: in all other instances where I re-entered or exited the Schengen Area, including when I left for JFK via MXP, this never happened.]

And, of course, the worst stories of all. Sadly, the only time I have ever experienced overt racism in Europe was in Poland. This is despite the fact that I speak the language (and better than most students from my part of the world at that), and despite the fact that in these cases, I was alone and not really behaving like a stereotypical Asian person.

*I was called out by a drunk Polish guy at the entrance to Złote Tarasy in Warsaw as a Chinese guy. To provoke me, he called me "f**king Chinese" (in Polish, of course), to which I walked away to go to the bus towards my dormitory.

*In Łódź, I was attending a conference there, and on the last day I decided to pass the time before going to the train station to go to Bratislava (via Częstochowa) by walking along ul. Piotrkowska. The street is relatively touristy, so I figured that it would be all right. Apparently, there was a group of high school students on a field trip, and I noticed that they were pointing and (very audibly) laughing at me, for no apparent reason at all. They were also stereotyping Chinese people as well. I was so tempted to go to them, talk to their teacher, and tell her how rude her students were being, but instead I decided to call them out as racists. In public. They continued laughing, but others were left agape at an obvious foreigner calling out a bunch of students as racists. In Polish out of all languages.

Now I know my stories are not as colorful as the other stories shared here (especially the homophobia stories: they're very interesting to read!), but it goes to show that there's still a long way to go before people can truly get off their moral (racialist) high horse and learn to live with racial differences. This is especially true in parts of Poland, especially outside Warsaw, which prior to World War II prized itself on its racial diversity.

Nonetheless, I have lots of nice stories to share too from Europe, including stories of very helpful Europeans who went above and beyond to help me out, so I guess it balances itself out. 


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 49, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 48):

*In some European countries, particularly in Eastern Europe, there is the perception that Asian tourists are wealthy (especially Chinese tourists), and so consequently, people try to take advantage of them in a myriad of ways (overcharging taxi drivers, solicitation, begging, etc.). This happened to me in Hungary, Latvia, the Czech Republic, Macedonia, Turkey and Romania.

So you received the equivalent of what I call the "Joe"-surcharge in the Philippines.
BTW, my Missus is Filipina of Chinese descent.
BTW, my usual answer to the "Hey, Joe!" calls is "Hey, Pinoy!", with a smile on my face. This usually gets everybody around to laugh and leves the original caller a bit embarrassed.

Jan


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