Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38503 posts, RR: 80 Posted (5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
Just in time for her to face questions about Benghazi.
Sounds like the adult equivalent of pretending to be sick to get out of class at school. The timing of this 'concussion' is suspect.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19703 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2806 times:
Quoting Superfly (Thread starter): Just in time for her to face questions about Benghazi.
Sounds like the adult equivalent of pretending to be sick to get out of class at school. The timing of this 'concussion' is suspect.
And she'll take the class when she's better. Okay, she doesn't testify on the day she was supposed to. Big deal - she's still going to testify eventually. There's nothing to gain by faking anything.
Even if she had testified earlier, she'd still probably be called back anyway now that the report on the attack was put out.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38503 posts, RR: 80 Reply 4, posted (5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2793 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 3): And she'll take the class when she's better. Okay, she doesn't testify on the day she was supposed to. Big deal - she's still going to testify eventually.
It certainly buys herself some time to cook up a good story to cover for Obama while still making herself look squeaky-clean for her Presidential run in 2016.
Quoting Mir (Reply 3): There's nothing to gain by faking anything.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4844 posts, RR: 28 Reply 7, posted (5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
To me, her political career is over. This will come back to hunt her if she decides to run in 2016, as people were predicting before this. Now, I don´t think the Democrats will support her bid. Americans people may have forgotten by then but the GOP certainly won´t.
BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5287 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2710 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 7): To me, her political career is over. This will come back to hunt her if she decides to run in 2016, as people were predicting before this. Now, I don´t think the Democrats will support her bid. Americans people may have forgotten by then but the GOP certainly won´t.
Doesn't matter...First Female Prez banner will kill all this FAKE 'Benghazi outrage'...
I think she should pull a Bush/Cheney and testify only under the same terms -
Not on the record
With Susan Rice, Prez Obama present
No sworn statements
Never Recording
..it was good enough for 9/11, it should easily meet the bar here.
I mean, the want a scandal...really make it scandalous so the Baggers can tie themselves in knots and completely forget they're suppose to be re-inventing themselves.
..next thing you know, it's 2014 and Repubs are carrying on like the same blunt skulls as today.
BN747
[Edited 2012-12-20 12:47:15]
"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38503 posts, RR: 80 Reply 9, posted (5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2711 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 7): To me, her political career is over. This will come back to hunt her if she decides to run in 2016, as people were predicting before this. Now, I don´t think the Democrats will support her bid.
I don't know about that. If Obama could get a second term, just about anyone can get elected. She'll briefly fall off the radar, get plastic surgery, recover and comeback with a new & improved look. She will inherit all of the Hollywood support of Obama and the endearing media and could possibly win. She has the nomination in the bag if she runs. Who else is there? Joe Biden? Only Joe Biden thinks he has a shot at winning the Presidency.
On the other hand I wonder if it was somebody else in office would people give the President props for holding a ball bat. Seems like kind of an oddly American thing to do.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2692 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): It certainly buys herself some time to cook up a good story to cover for Obama while still making herself look squeaky-clean for her Presidential run in 2016.
I don't think she'll run, which makes Benghazi a non-issue. In 2016 she'll be 69, Biden older. Look at her travel schedule, even more grueling than Obama. I think the Democrats will try to conjure up a candidate who's around 50-ish, i.e., Obama's age. Not sure who that would be, mind you,
It's too bad, IMHO, that Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada. She is therefore ineligible to run. Smart, attractive, well-spoken.
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7447 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): It certainly buys herself some time to cook up a good story
Actually the truth is stranger story than anyone could make up.
Talking points on the Sunday Shows came from the CIA. And it was General/Director Petraeus running the CIA at the time. And a rough time for the General as he understood he had been caught in his little honey trap. You KNOW that is something the GOP doesn't want discussed a lot in public.
And then there can be discussions of the Budget Cuts the GOP has pushed for in the past and will push for again in the future.
And it will be interesting to see just how much classified materials will be laid open. Where were the CIA and military personnel? Why were we using contract security - a real joke in most cases. Outsourcing that the government has used for a long time to save a buck or two?
There is plenty of blame to go around on this one and I think we will find money (doing it on the cheap) will be towards the front.
BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5287 posts, RR: 52 Reply 14, posted (5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2627 times:
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13): Talking points on the Sunday Shows came from the CIA. And it was General/Director Petraeus running the CIA at the time. And a rough time for the General as he understood he had been caught in his little honey trap
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13): Where were the CIA and military personnel? Why were we using contract security -
I posted it was a CIA Op gone wrong earlier on..but this is 'real substance'.. but smaller minds would rather dwell and swim amid gutter Fox News gossip .. as if some 'ah ha!' moment lurks about.
..notice the absence of Issa Noise, eerily quiet...
Benghazi Gate... absurdity knows no bounds.
BN747
[Edited 2012-12-20 14:15:49]
"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4784 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2602 times:
Quoting cptkrell (Reply 1): If she doesn't have a legitimate concussion
I guess there is a way to shut that whole thing down !
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): It certainly buys herself some time to cook up a good story to cover for Obama while still making herself look squeaky-clean for her Presidential run in 2016.
She had plenty of time already, that argument doesn't fly.
New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
Only for Republicans who are desperate for some issue after the election.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 16): No she was just dreamy-eyed and hypnotized by Dubya and did what ever he wanted.
No, she was the Black "Ms Rice" who can "mislead" the country and still have the McCains on the Right still vote for her for SecState. Queer situation that - two Ms. Rices, both black and both considered for SecState. One had the FUBAR of the WMDs in Iraq and the other took the CIA Director's talking points to the Sunday talk shows. Queer that when you look at the aftermath of their two situations.
Actually Ms Rice # 1 was pretty solid intellectually. Both the Rices had earned PhD's and are don't get very teary eyed.
3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11): It's too bad, IMHO, that Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada. She is therefore ineligible to run. Smart, attractive, well-spoken.
She should just photoshop one from Bangor, Maine to be used two years after she gets elected.
BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5287 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (5 months 2 days ago) and read 2480 times:
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18): two Ms. Rices, both black and both considered for SecState. One had the FUBAR of the WMDs in Iraq and the other took the CIA Director's talking points to the Sunday talk shows. Queer that when you look at the aftermath of their two situations.
Correction: One had TWO FUBARS - one of the WMDs in Iraq AND the Shopping for shoes while American civilians perished amid a Hurricane named Katrina.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Actually Ms Rice # 1 was pretty solid intellectually
Credentially speaking - countermanded by a grotesque lack of Common Sense.
Dr. Rice #2 got the patented Van Jones treatment for no reason at all.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18): Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
just about anyone can get elected.
Willard M. Romney couldn't.
John "The Zipper" McCain couldn't.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18): Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
Today it is a very serious issue.
Only for Republicans who are desperate for some issue after the election.
Again, instead of understanding why they lost..they keep stuffing their face with sour grape tactics which is sure to pave the way for a huge backlash.
BN747
"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3064 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2460 times:
Quoting BN747 (Reply 14): I posted it was a CIA Op gone wrong earlier on..but this is 'real substance'.. but smaller minds would rather dwell and swim amid gutter Fox News gossip .. as if some 'ah ha!' moment lurks about.
..notice the absence of Issa Noise, eerily quiet...
Benghazi Gate... absurdity knows no bounds.
BN747
Ironic really...since YOU say so...it must be true!
Haven't seen that anywhere else before
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4844 posts, RR: 28 Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2442 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 12): If she is damaged by Benghazigate then it won't be an issue in the 2016 elections. Today it is a very serious issue.
Do you really think so? Legitimate question, I´m not trying to debate you. But I would think that the GOP in 2016 will go out with all their talons extended to prevent another 4 years of DEM government. Why would it not be an issue? And for the record, Latin America and Mexico really do fare better with GOP governments than with DEM ones. For example, there´s never been so many deportations in history than with the Obama administration. Bush was pretty friendly in comparison. DEM governments tend to be pretty demagogical towards their latino base, but it never translates into action. The GOP has in history, been really the one more open to the Latino community, and we´ve fare better with them in power.
FlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2436 times:
I don't understand how a story can be made out of nothing. Hillary Clinton wasn't on the ground in Benghazi when the attack went down nor was she there picking up the pieces. What story would she be concoting. Wether she testified a few days ago or a few years from now she will be reading reports from other state department employees as well as other federal agencies reports. Her advisers will brief her and she will do a lot of reading. Her having a concussion affects none of that.
BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5287 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2415 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 22): For example, there´s never been so many deportations in history than with the Obama administration. Bush was pretty friendly in comparison. DEM governments tend to be pretty demagogical towards their latino base, but it never translates into action. The GOP has in history, been really the one more open to the Latino community, and we´ve fare better with them in power.
Not necessarily so, the extraordinary deportation program was started under Bush after the Patriot Act and accelerated as the years went on. Many people who thought it was unfair and harsh thought that it would ease up upon Obama's arrival..but according to an Immigration Atty friend, it did not..it in fact continued to rise. Only now in the past year has it started to dial back a bit from it's peak.
But immigration/deportation is not what I'd call the bar of 'good relations' in Latin America. If it is...what on earth is the havoc wreaked on Central America under Eisenhower (actually executed by V.P. Nixon - Operation 54-12) that saw massive overthrows from Argentina/Chile all the way up Central America. Along with Reagan's Fubar in El Salvador and Nicaragua? A lot of corpses line those years and a lot of families have not forgotten what was done to them.
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 23): I don't understand how a story can be made out of nothing. Hillary Clinton wasn't on the ground in Benghazi when the attack went down nor was she there picking up the pieces. What story would she be concoting. Wether she testified a few days ago or a few years from now she will be reading reports from other state department
There is nothing. The same M.O. used here is the very same against Eric Holder and the Fast & Furious program which was fine under Bush/Cheney...but somehow under Obama it was a disaster. When in truth, it was a disastrous concept from it's inception.
Compare the Benghazi incident 4 people killed...to the Beirut Embassy Bombing where 277 Marines got killed under Reagan.
Imagine what the GOP today would try to do to Obama if 277 Marines were killed in the Libyan Embassy or Consulate (Benghazi .. YES, this Republican group is so hostile it would bring up Impeachment proceedings not a single person can deny it.
The trend here is very simple if you're paying attention, if Fox News and Limbaugh can bitch about it loud enough and long enough to flag down a Tea Party/GOP loyalist.. we have a 'Gotcha' moment in the 'Get Obama anyway you can' sweepstakes. 99% of Americans could not find Benghazi on my map if their life depended on it. 99% don't even know the capital Libya. The same number know nothing about Embassy/Consulate functions and expect that in a hot zone such as this 'bad things' do not happen. Any American finding himself all twisted up about this nonsense and found mute on the true disaster that got all those children killed last week needs his skull examined. Those kids had a right to expect to be in a completely safe place - any US Embassy/Consulate on Earth, from London, Madrid, Moscow, Mexico City to Lagos is on constant high alert ..constantly aware that your life can be in jeopardy on a moments notice and that their expectations of safety is light years from that of those kids in Newton, CT.
This Benghazi nonsense is something that can never be known in detail because of it's very murky nature - it's surroundings and involvement of cloaked elements. It is insane to kid one's self otherwise. But I say let the GOP sing on...because what took ammo from the GOP's 2012 election artillery was '4 years of harping on silliest of the silly - birther crap, apologizer-in-chief .. all meaningless cheap shots that added up to nothing when a miserable economy was enough to win..they still lost because the nation was tired of hearing the same childish labels they had hurled at the President for 4 years straight..they had nothing to show for their 2010 win (which they won on name calling alone) but more insults, no substance of their own. And it's repeating itself right now. This why is why it is impossible to expect change from them..they habitually bite themselves in the rear at every opportunity they can. So Benghazi Forward troops...keep singing that tune, there's gold in them thar' hills, keep digging.
BN747
"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10561 posts, RR: 53 Reply 25, posted (5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
Man, the tinfoil flows thick.
When Susan Rice was being considered for secretary of state, all these criticizers were saying that it was her fault. Now that Rice is out, not a damn peep has been said implicating her.
That should tell you all you need to know about this issue: it is a witch hunt.
Now, when the Secretary of State gets ill, along with the rest of her team mind you, and passes out sustaining a concussion, these conspiracy theory yahoos think she's trying to avoid something. They really should just admit at this point (now that they've been fully exposed) that they are just on a which hunt.
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7447 posts, RR: 5 Reply 26, posted (5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2386 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 25): Man, the tinfoil flows thick.
There are those who see Clinton's accident as part of some secret conspiracy. These are the good folks who are grabbing onto anything after the Election results. The problem is that a real public investigation will just bring back a Fallen General who was in charge of the CIA at the time and was responsible for delivering the talking points.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5300 posts, RR: 47 Reply 27, posted (5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 25): Man, the tinfoil flows thick.
This is pretty crazy... what would that buy her, a few days? I really don't get it
Don't get me wrong... I can at least understand a few concerns about Benghazi... they are very sketchy to say the least and will probably lead to nothing, but I can see why there may be concern.
But the fact that EVERY detail has somehow been pinned to make the President look bad, and now they are becoming conspiracy theories? Give me a break. Not saying it can't happen, but when you take events that are 1 in 100 and multiply them together, it becomes 1 in 1000000000 that all these crazy events transpired.
Come on people, retain your dignity. It is perfectly understandable to disagree with the President, but you don't need to brew up birther quality theories
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 28, posted (5 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2411 times:
Don't know how many of you have had a concussion. Me, five (4 from hockey). The effects can actually continue for weeks: dizziness, headaches, impaired memory. Not pleasant and not recommended. It's why I had to stop playing, which, FWIW, has reduced my enjoyment of life, but it's what the doctor told me after showing me the MRI pics. "Sir, as yuo enter your golden years (I'm 61) you'll want to have all your marbles so you can enjoy those years. So, no hockey, no soccer, no baseball, etc., etc. Golf is OK"
He was dubious about running (I like marathons), but I've continued that. You have to draw the line somewhere.
Wolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 453 posts, RR: 1 Reply 30, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
And now she's back in hospital with a 'blood clot'. She's clearly again trying to avoid the Benghazi hearings. Honestly does this women have no shame...?
akiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 31, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1982 times:
Quoting Wolbo (Reply 30): And now she's back in hospital with a 'blood clot'. She's clearly again trying to avoid the Benghazi hearings. Honestly does this women have no shame...?
Please tell me you are being sarcastic...
Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are
tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 4631 posts, RR: 7 Reply 32, posted (4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1951 times:
Quoting akiss20 (Reply 31): Please tell me you are being sarcastic...
Happily I am 1000% confident that he is being sarcastic. That being said, it is ridiculously sad and strange that some people are actually unable to accept that those they disagree with or oppose are not deceiving them. It is essentially an inability to treat others as human (i.e. that people are "normal" and do not continuously deceive or do nefarious things). And yes it occurs on both ends of the spectrum.
Tugg
[Edited 2012-12-30 23:04:35]
I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4844 posts, RR: 28 Reply 34, posted (4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
Quoting Wolbo (Reply 30): And now she's back in hospital with a 'blood clot'. She's clearly again trying to avoid the Benghazi hearings. Honestly does this women have no shame...?
I´m sure he´s being sarcastic, although for a bit there I did wonder...
I´m no fan of H. Clinton, but surely a blood clot from a fall that puts you in a hospital at her age ought to be serious. Now, is it a blood clot as in an Epidural Hematoma or a blood clot as in some sort of Deep Vein issue due to being immobile?
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38503 posts, RR: 80 Reply 35, posted (4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
Quoting Wolbo (Reply 30): And now she's back in hospital with a 'blood clot'. She's clearly again trying to avoid the Benghazi hearings. Honestly does this women have no shame...?
Nope. No shame at all.
Quoting AR385 (Reply 34): I´m no fan of H. Clinton, but surely a blood clot from a fall that puts you in a hospital at her age ought to be serious. Now, is it a blood clot as in an Epidural Hematoma or a blood clot as in some sort of Deep Vein issue due to being immobile?
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12331 posts, RR: 12 Reply 37, posted (4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1893 times:
Ms. Clintion has a serious medical program and at her age and the recent events, it is no wonder she is retiring. I don't believe she will run for President in 2016 for those reasons. I never liked her even considering her running for any office after her husband ended his term as President including her running for the Presidental nomination in 2008. I don't think she is faking or using medical problems to evade testifying as to Bengazi consulate terror attacks, assuming she recovers, she will testify although I think it should be behind closed doors but under oath with Intellegnce committees of the House and Senate to remove the emotional politics of this attack and really tries to get to it's cause and who caused the inaccurate cover story of the movie as to triggering the attack.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 40, posted (4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1702 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 35): If these are true, I wish her a speedy recovery.
She has a subdural hematoma. What would convince you that it's true. If you were in the radiology suite when the images came in, would you say that you couldn't be sure that they weren't pre-loaded images of another patient with a subdural?
A subdural can be a serious injury, although hopefully it's just a small one in her case and it will resolve. One of my patients (a 1yo) had to have a hemicraniectomy (removal of half of the skull) due to a subdural from child abuse. The kid is now 2 and still doesn't use his left arm quite normally.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 41, posted (4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40): She has a subdural hematoma. What would convince you that it's true. If you were in the radiology suite when the images came in, would you say that you couldn't be sure that they weren't pre-loaded images of another patient with a subdural?
For some, paranoia is just another part of the equation. From my own experience (5 concussions), it's no laughing matter. I've had to give up hockey, almost my first love.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 42, posted (4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1644 times:
On reading more articles, I now very much doubt that it's a subdural. I think it's actually an intravascular thrombus, which would be VERY concerning because it could lead to a stroke. The reason for this is that she is being treated with anticoagulants and no competent physician would ever give anticoagulants to a patient with a subdural.
FlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 3 Reply 43, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1558 times:
Quoting akiss20 (Reply 38): The fact that she works for the Obama administration
What has she done, while working in the Obama administration, or before working there that leads you to believe that she would go to such great lengths to fake a medical incident?
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 44, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1554 times:
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 43): What has she done, while working in the Obama administration, or before working there that leads you to believe that she would go to such great lengths to fake a medical incident?
Why, she's worked for the Obama administration. In the minds of certain people with paranoid ideation and a slippery grasp on reality when politics come into play, that alone is sufficient grounds for suspicion of everything from high treason to attempted genocide.
From other articles, Mrs. Clinton has dural sinus thrombosis. The dural sinuses are the veins that drain the brain back to the heart. A thrombus in a dural vein is a common complication of blunt head trauma. While such thrombi rarely lead to stroke, they are not without their danger.
A thrombus is a clot that is located within a blood vessel, whether it is an artery or vein. In the case of the artery, this is problematic because arteries grow thinner the further they reach from the heart. The thrombus gets knocked loose, at which point it is called an "embolus," and then lodges in a blood vessel through which it is too large to pass. This cuts off blood flow to all the tissues downstream of that blood vessel. If it's a tiny vessel supplying a muscle or liver, it's no big deal. But if it's a larger vessel supplying the heart or brain, it's a big problem.
In a venous thrombus, the veins get larger in the direction of blood flow, rather than smaller as they do in arteries. Thus, venous embolus is unlikely to block other veins. However, it can proceed to the heart, where it is passed through the right atrium, right ventricle (all of which have large-bore valves) and into the pulmonary artery, where it starts to get thinner as it passes into the lungs. A small clot might cause only mild symptoms, while larger clots can be instantly lethal (I've had someone die in my arms from such a clot).
Mrs. Clinton will be on anticoagulants for some time, during which she will need to be very careful.
akiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 45, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1433 times:
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 43): Quoting akiss20 (Reply 38):
The fact that she works for the Obama administration
What has she done, while working in the Obama administration, or before working there that leads you to believe that she would go to such great lengths to fake a medical incident?
Nothing, I was being VERY sarcastic. The right wing will find ANYTHING in the Obama administration to try and make some conspiracy out of.
Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are
daviation From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 432 posts, RR: 1 Reply 46, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1288 times:
I'm quite sure there is nothing sinister going on here. Mrs Clinton is seriously ill, and this will probably rule out a presidential run in 2016. FWIW, I have a great deal of admiration for her, and I think she has accomplished a great deal in her many years of public service, especially as a Senator from New York (where I live).
As for me, I suffered a concussion from a sledding accident when I was 12, with no lasting effects (although that can be disputed!).
Unfortunately, I have both MTHFR and Factor-5 which leave me prone to blood-clotting. I have already had DVT, which means that on any flights above 5-6 hours, I need to self-administer Lovenox into my abdomen. Not fun, but not as bad as it sounds. I was also on Coumadin for one year which is a huge pain because your clotting-factor has to be measured every two weeks. I'm glad to be done with that.
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7447 posts, RR: 5 Reply 47, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1279 times:
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 37): I don't think she is faking or using medical problems to evade testifying as to Bengazi consulate terror attacks, assuming she recovers, she will testify although I think it should be behind closed doors
Why would she need to fake a condition like that to avoid testifying? This gal is one very bright, very tough lady and I have no doubts that she will do well in a public hearing. I'm especially interested in hearing about the CIA's participation in this affair (not a good word for the then CIA Director) and I'm also interested to see how many politicians brag about cutting funding for Embassy/Consulate funding over the years.
The CIA's participation, especially in delivering the "talking points" to Susan Rice is something we really need to have covered in public. Hopefully the Democrats on the committee will take that on,
Quoting akiss20 (Reply 38): The fact that she works for the Obama administration
She also works for the American People. Hers is one of those jobs that junction outside of the political arena for the most part - you might remember that SecStates over the years have not been involved in the Presidential elections.
That depends on the politicians questioning her. Some want to bash the Administration so they well have a go. Others might well bring in a counter balance, maybe by bringing in the CIA actions. You'll probably remember that Gen. David H. Petraeus, a GOP Darling (for a while), was having a difficult time because of his being investigating for a loose zipper. Just how that impacted all the events this fall should be made public at the hearing Hillary testifies at.
Quoting daviation (Reply 46): I have already had DVT, which means that on any flights above 5-6 hours, I need to self-administer Lovenox into my abdomen. Not fun, but not as bad as it sounds.
My wife ended up on Lovenox for months because Coumadin was not effective. At the time she was in chemo with a port and needed the Lovenox while a port was in.
daviation From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 432 posts, RR: 1 Reply 48, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 47): My wife ended up on Lovenox for months because Coumadin was not effective. At the time she was in chemo with a port and needed the Lovenox while a port was in.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope her prognosis is good. I'm amazed at friends and acquaintances who are afraid of getting their throats swabbed for strep or, God Forbid, a digital exam for prostate cancer! I have a friend who fainted when he was told that he might need a prostate biopsy! I told him that I've had two heart surgeries and am on my second defibrillator/pacemaker. You just do what you have to do.
Maverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 4744 posts, RR: 6 Reply 49, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 42): no competent physician would ever give anticoagulants to a patient with a subdural.
Or, in English, nobody who passed 10th grade biology would give "blood thinners" to someone who is bleeding from the brain.
She's past the 5 year mark, but will continue to have multiple checks a year.
Quoting daviation (Reply 48): I have a friend who fainted when he was told that he might need a prostate biopsy!
LOL!
But only because I've been there. I had them for years before the Doc hit a few bad cells - my tumor was on the apex so it was all about luck of hitting a bad cell.
Your friend might like to know that Valium an hour or so before can help. Lowers the anxiety and also relaxes those muscles that he never really thinks about.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 51, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 49): Or, in English, nobody who passed 10th grade biology would give "blood thinners" to someone who is bleeding from the brain.
You would be *stunned* to see some of the things I've seen physicians do. Stunned.
Quoting daviation (Reply 46): I'm quite sure there is nothing sinister going on here. Mrs Clinton is seriously ill, and this will probably rule out a presidential run in 2016.
I don't see how this acute issue would affect that.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 53, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1214 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 53): Yup. Had a PE myself - anticoagulants suck! So does having blood tests every five minutes for the first few months.....
I wonder whether they will choose coumadin (which the articles seem to suggest with the "adjusting the dose" comments) vs. one of the new specific thrombin inhibitors like dabigatran (PRADAXA).
I'm not sure if it's indicated or studied in dural sinus thrombosis, which may be why they are going for coumadin, instead. It's just that coumadin is such a pain and its onset of action is so delayed and the monitoring and dietary stuff.
RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6279 posts, RR: 23 Reply 54, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1206 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 54): I wonder whether they will choose coumadin (which the articles seem to suggest with the "adjusting the dose" comments) vs. one of the new specific thrombin inhibitors like dabigatran (PRADAXA).
Is coumadin the US name for warfarin? I took warfarin for six months. To be fair, the dietary stuff wasn't too bad. I didn't have to be mega careful, just avoid a few things like grapefruit, cranberry etc, (though I gather there is a lot of debate about how necessary that really is) and my levels got good and stable fairly early on, which was nice as the tests started to slow down a bit (I was starting to get doctors asking me if I was an IV drug user because of all the daily arm-stabbings I was subjected to....). It was more of a nuisance just being paranoid about cutting myself, having to take alert cards, tissues and plasters everywhere I went.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 55, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6279 posts, RR: 23 Reply 56, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 56): Not sure whether it's US-specific, but yes. Warfarin is actually named for the Wisconsin Alumni Research Fund. WARFarin.
Right-o, thanks. Here in the UK it is dispensed and described as plain old warfarin. Luckily I'm done with it now - all resolved. Wouldn't want to have to put up with that for much more than six months. I'm guessing her treatment will be a bit more long-term.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 57, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1150 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 56): Right-o, thanks. Here in the UK it is dispensed and described as plain old warfarin. Luckily I'm done with it now - all resolved. Wouldn't want to have to put up with that for much more than six months. I'm guessing her treatment will be a bit more long-term.
Actually, probably about six months for an isolated event like this. She doesn't have atrial fibrillation or a hypercoagulable state, so there's no reason why she would need indefinite therapy.
I don't expect she'll be back to work in the next week or so. Were I her physician, I'd suggest to her that this would be an excellent time to draft her resignation. She was going to resign, anyway... Leaving that aside, I'd advise at least two weeks off.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12708 posts, RR: 80 Reply 59, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1008 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 58): She was going to resign, anyway... Leaving that aside, I'd advise at least two weeks off.
She did say, even before the election, she needed a break, felt exhausted.
Apparently Mrs Clinton set new records for the amount of travelling as Sec. Of State.
While as ever Doc, you've provided some very interesting medical info, the whole intent of this thread by the OP was rather shameful, displaying a fragile grasp of reality.
Might be worth considering how good an idea it is to sneer at someone's medical issues, to doubt them, all to try and prove a swivel eyed conspiracy idea.
And hope if you get sick, no one does to same to you.
RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6279 posts, RR: 23 Reply 60, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 996 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 59): While as ever Doc, you've provided some very interesting medical info, the whole intent of this thread by the OP was rather shameful, displaying a fragile grasp of reality.
Might be worth considering how good an idea it is to sneer at someone's medical issues, to doubt them, all to try and prove a swivel eyed conspiracy idea.
And hope if you get sick, no one does to same to you.
To be fair, it was a fairly unfortunate coincidence of events that easily led to simplistic conspiracy theories being chucked around. It is a shame that US politics is at times so paranoid a world as for such 'theories' to ever see the light of day, yet alone be treated seriously, but I suppose it is what it is. I just hope that people are feeling a little remorse for levelling untrue accusations against a critically ill person, but alas I rather think that there will be some who just continue believing their own convenient parallel universe is actually reality, in stark and deliberate ignorance of the facts.
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7447 posts, RR: 5 Reply 61, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 964 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 58): Were I her physician, I'd suggest to her that this would be an excellent time to draft her resignation.
She may draft it, but I believe she needs to testify before Congress with the authority of the office before she hands it in. The politicians can wait - they are still trying to find their heads after the screw ups this past week.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 60): To be fair, it was a fairly unfortunate coincidence of events that easily led to simplistic conspiracy theories being chucked around.
At the core the problem is the absolute hate the hard right has for both of the Clintons. They are going to throw political jabs at both, especially since it is hard for them to point to anyone in their little group who can match their abilities and achievements.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 60): I just hope that people are feeling a little remorse for levelling untrue accusations against a critically ill person, but alas I rather think that there will be some who just continue believing their own convenient parallel universe is actually reality, in stark and deliberate ignorance of the facts.
There was a bit on TV showing a few of the yo-yos from th hard right. They obviously thought they were being cute, but now their ignorance has been slapped around a bit. As for an apology - no way would anyone in that group have the integrity to apologize for their comments.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 62, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 929 times:
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 61): She may draft it, but I believe she needs to testify before Congress with the authority of the office before she hands it in. The politicians can wait - they are still trying to find their heads after the screw ups this past week.
She can testify, but I'd say this is an excellent: "time to stop traveling so much" moment. It's not the air travel or anything in particular, but all that stress of switching time zones, etc. does not help a body heal.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 61): As for an apology - no way would anyone in that group have the integrity to apologize for their comments.
Yeah, I haven't heard any from certain posters in this thread, that's for sure.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38503 posts, RR: 80 Reply 63, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 916 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 62): Yeah, I haven't heard any from certain posters in this thread, that's for sure.
Alright, alright, I'll man up and apologize. When I started this thread last week, I had no idea how serious Hillary's condition was. In fact, none of us knew how serious her condition was. I was having a little fun with the topic because of the timing. Do any of you really think that I'd believe Obama would hit her on the head with a bat? Come on now. No conspiracy theories here.
I sincerely wish her well and want her to recover and I don't wish any ill health on her or anyone.
So I'll apologize for the joke about her concussion.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 62): I'd say this is an excellent: "time to stop traveling so much" moment. It's not the air travel or anything in particular, but all that stress of switching time zones, etc. does not help a body heal.
Geezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1414 posts, RR: 1 Reply 66, posted (4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 901 times:
Quoting daviation (Reply 48): I have a friend who fainted when he was told that he might need a prostate biopsy! I told him that I'v
You can tell your friend that having an ultrasound prostate biopsy is nothing to fear; takes 15-20 minutes, doesn't hurt,
the only thing that makes you a little "nervous" is each time the Doc takes a sample, you hear a "pfft"sound, kind of like an air stapler. And you can watch the whole thing on the wall monitor. Nothing to worry about.
Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7447 posts, RR: 5 Reply 67, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 826 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 65): Seeing the way he throws a baseball ...err....softball.
But he is not too bad with a basketball.
Quoting Geezer (Reply 66): You can tell your friend that having an ultrasound prostate biopsy is nothing to fear; takes 15-20 minutes, doesn't hurt, the only thing that makes you a little "nervous" is each time the Doc takes a sample, you hear a "pfft"sound, kind of like an air stapler.
The original bites are not too bad, but during the 5 times I went through the process in the office I found that the last one or two bites were a bit tougher.
Quoting Geezer (Reply 66): And you can watch the whole thing on the wall monitor.
No thanks. I got scoped yesterday (both ends) and had no desire to watch.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16818 posts, RR: 57 Reply 68, posted (4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 793 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 63): So I'll apologize for the joke about her concussion.
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