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Your Favourite Songwriter/s?  
User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Hi!

Last question I promise. This one is "what is your favourite songwriter(s) if you have any"? Any kind of music is fine. A lot of the music I listen to I don't know who wrote it but some of my ones I know and have liked are:

Babyface, R.Kelly (although he wrote a lot of stuff I don't like much too), Diane Warren (in the 80s and 90s).

Sorry I can't think of many more but there must be lots. The thing I kinda noticed about songwriters is the only ones who ever really become famous are the ones who write a string of hits. Nowone ever knows about the guys who write one or two maybe great tunes.

My alltime best pop tune if I had to select one (although I can't really) would be Madonna's Borderline. It was actually written I think by some American jazz musician complaining about his wife probably but if he released it nowone would want to hear or buy it. So they think Madonna was singing it about some guy and it sells millions!

Any thoughts welcome.

Many thanks.

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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3108 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Paul Simon
Loretta Lynn



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Hi!

Thanks. I have heard a lot of Paul Simon's stuff but only like a few tunes for some reason. He sells a ton though so must be pretty great. I like "50 ways to leave your lover"! A guy I went to school with actually ended up playing guitar on one of his new albums and he said it was really sureal in his blog. He was sitting there doing his usual job and all the time thinking "blimey this is the guy that wrote Mrs. Robinson"!

I have heard of Loretta Lynn but don't know much. I will check her out. Thanks.

Many thanks.


User currently offlineAllegiantAir From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

When Ryan Ross was with Panic! At The Disco back with their debut album (A Fever You Can't Sweat Out) he had some pretty intense lyrics for being 18 years old. Quite an extensive vocabulary compared to most teenagers! Also he had an advanced outlook on the world at that age. Listening to that album still intrigues me.


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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Hi!

Thanks for the tip. I am listening now. Have never heard of this guy or this band or album. Sounds like a good album so far though.

Many thanks.


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9763 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1873 times:
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Paul McCartney
John Lennon
George Harrison
Billy Joel
Keith Richards
Brad Whitford (the more talented though less prolific half of Aerosmith's guitar duo)
Sammy Hagar
Maynard James Keenan / Adam Jones / Justin Chancellor / Danny Carey (Tool)
Angus Young / Malcolm Young (ACDC)
Tom Scholz (Boston)
Dave Matthews for DMB's more uptempo stuff (I hate the slow stuff)
Brandon Boyd / Mike Einziger / Jose Pasillas / Alex Katunich / Chris Kilmore (Incubus through Morning View)
Cedric Bixler-Zavala / Omar Rodriguez-Lopez (Mars Volta)
Geddy Lee / Alex Lifeson / Neil Peart (Rush)



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the list. I will try to check some out.

Thanks!


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1061 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1866 times:
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Stan Rogers
Billy Joel
Tim Minchin
Queen
BT - If you are into Electronica, also check out Deadmau5.
Im also a fan of Eminem. Excellent use of words and beats, if you are into rap.

Lots of others but that's what happens to be on my iphone right now other than musicals and classical and audiobooks.



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the list. I do kinda like electronica so will have a look.

Like many the only thing I know of Eminem is that "Slim Shady" song!

Many thanks!


User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1342 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 5):
Dave Matthews for DMB's more uptempo stuff (I hate the slow stuff)

What do you think of that Duet w/ Alanis Morrissett at the end of Before These Crowded Streets? I think that's some of his most underrated work myself...

Bringing in Bela Fleck on that album didn't hurt things either.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 5):
Geddy Lee / Alex Lifeson / Neil Peart (Rush)

I think Neil Peart is responsible for about 79% of the awesome over at Rush. If he wasn't already one of the best drummers working, he has to go and be a freakin awesome lyricist as well.

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 7):
BT - If you are into Electronica, also check out Deadmau5

I do like BT a lot. Not sure how much this one qualifies as pure "Electronica", but I happen to think that Ulrich Schnauss is pretty talented as well.

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 7):
Im also a fan of Eminem. Excellent use of words and beats, if you are into rap.

It's hard for me to really get into Rap, per se, but every once in a while, something does stand out. I will say that yes, Eminem does tend to have a very good flow going, but oftentimes checks that back with average to below average subject/lyric creativity.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39674 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1796 times:

Burt Bacharach
Gino Vannelli
David Foster
Dennis DeYoung
Richard & Karen Carpenter
Peter Cetera & Robert Lamm (Chicago)
Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis (The Time)
Prince Roger Nelson
Quincy Jones
George Michael
Carole King
Andy Connell, Corinne Drewery, Martin Jackson (Swing Out Sister)

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 9):
I think Neil Peart is responsible for about 79% of the awesome over at Rush.

I'd say he's responsible for 33 & 1/3rd% of the greatness of Rush.  
Many 'Rush' fans are just Neil Peart fans.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 9):
he has to go and be a freakin awesome lyricist as well.

Yes, his lyrics were awesome but today he has a lot on his mind and their newer material is too wordy.

Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
Babyface,

I saw him in concert last month here in Bangkok with David Foster & friends.
Although I'm not a fan of his solo material, he is an incredible background vocalist, songwriter, producer and guitar player. His work with Madonna and Eric Clapton is fantastic.

Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
R.Kelly

He is good but like so many artist, his most popular song is his lamest (IMHO). I can't stand 'I Believe I Can Fly' but I really like his album tracks on his first three albums.



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the replies. Lots of good songwriters listed and new stuff to check out too.

These days I find a lot of good songs I like are actually written and sung in languages I don't understand at all. Like Korean and arabic and farsi and stuff. I even have a couple of CD's which are in Tagalog (Phillippines). But I don't think I am normal in that respect!

Many thanks!


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2489 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Pete Townshend
His music spoke to me in my teenage years and his lyrics are powerful to me even to this day.
I was 18 when Quadrophenia came out and I swore he was reading my mind when I heard some of the lyrics.
I've been a huge fan of the Who for 40 years and a big part of that is because of Townshend's writing.
If I was only able to listen to one song before I died, it would be "Amazing Journey"


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9763 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1783 times:
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Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 9):
What do you think of that Duet w/ Alanis Morrissett at the end of Before These Crowded Streets? I think that's some of his most underrated work myself...

Honestly, I don't remember it anymore - been quite awhile since I listened to that album (though it probably is my favorite). I do like her vocals on "Don't Drink the Water" though. I'll have to go listen to that album again.

I was really happy with Big Whiskey and the Groogrux King because it was quite uptempo and funky. Then when I found out they released Away from the World, I bought it, and yeah.....don't like it. Too freaking mellow. They're very hit-or-miss with me.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 9):
I think Neil Peart is responsible for about 79% of the awesome over at Rush. If he wasn't already one of the best drummers working, he has to go and be a freakin awesome lyricist as well.

Yeah, I'll go with Superfly's 33 1/3%. There's no Rush without any of the three of them. I'm not super into Peart's lyrics (to be fair, I don't really listen to lyrics at all - I'm a music guy rather than a lyrics guy). He certainly writes about topics that you don't often come across, but whether he's a good lyricist or not is tough for me to judge. I do enjoy reading his blog, and his essays that often accompany their live albums.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

The song writers I like (in no particular order)

Woody Guthrie
Bob Dylan
Willie Nelson
Dolly Parton
John Denver
Ray Charles
Phil Collins
Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens)
Leonard Cohen
Neil Young
Paul Simon
Donovan
Bob Marley
Bjorn Ulvaeus and Benny Andersson (ABBA)
...

George Gershwin
Cole Porter
Irving Berlin
Andrew Lloyd Webber
Duke Ellington
Antonio Carlos Jobim
Caetano Veloso



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Paul Simon. Great music, and great lyrics. Followed by Pete Townsend.


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

Vikkyvik got most of them.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 9):
I think Neil Peart is responsible for about 79% of the awesome over at Rush. If he wasn't already the best drummer working, he has to go and be a freakin awesome lyricist as well.

Hey, I corrected that for you   But Superfly is right

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
Yeah, I'll go with Superfly's 33 1/3%. There's no Rush without any of the three of them

  

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 7):
Queen

Specifically Brian May, Freddie gets all the attention, but Brian is hugely under rated.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
Bob Marley
Bjorn Ulvaeus and Benny Andersson (ABBA)
...

  

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
Followed by Pete Townsend.

  

I will add:
Lindsay Buckingham and Christine McVie (Fleeetwood Mac)
Richard & Karen Carpenter
Lita Ford

And the king of them all for stories of emotion within a song - Michael Aday (better known as Meatloaf)



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9763 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1745 times:
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Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 16):

Specifically Brian May, Freddie gets all the attention, but Brian is hugely under rated.

I'd have to debate you on that one.   I don't find Brian May underrated at all - he gets huge props, especially from other guitarists.

Now John Deacon and Roger Taylor, on the other hand....

And for some silly reason, I forgot Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham (Led Zeppelin)



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10875 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

A song witten by Jesse Fuller

Monkey & The Engineer (acoustic) - Grateful Dead - 10-31-1980 Radio City, NY set1-04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PBmZMdq-kwM

Once upon a time there was an engineer.
Drove a locomotive both far and near.
Accompanied by a monkey that would sit on a stool
Watching everything the engineer would do
One day the engineer wanted a bite to eat,
He left the monkey sitting on the driver's seat,
The monkey pulled the throttle, the locomotive jumped the gun
And did 80 miles an hour down the mainline run.

Big locomotive right on time, big locomotive coming down the line.
Big locomotive No. 99, left the engineer with a worried mind.

The engineer called up the dispatcher on the phone,
To tell him all about his locomotive was gone.
Dispatcher got on the wire, switch operator to the right,
Cause the monkey's got the main line sewed up tight.
The switch operator got the message on time,
Said there's a Northbound livin' on the same main line,
Open up the switch I'm gonna let him through the hole,
Cause the monkey's got the locomotive under control.

Big locomotive right on time, big locomotive coming down the line.
Big locomotive No. 99, left the engineer with a worried mind.

 



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39674 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 16):
Lindsay Buckingham and Christine McVie (Fleeetwood Mac)

I forgot to list them also.

Also worth mentioning;

Stevie Wonder
Lionel Ritchie
Ann & Nancy Wilson and Howard Leese of Heart



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 17):
I'd have to debate you on that one. I don't find Brian May underrated at all - he gets huge props, especially from other guitarists

Maybe. Outside the music world, even to the fans if you ask them to name one Queen member I bet they will say Freddie, because of his vocals, showmanship and untimely death. I dont think the "fans" give Brian enough credit, though maybe it is changing since Freddie has been gone, what, 20 years now?!

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 17):
Now John Deacon and Roger Taylor, on the other hand....

   As under rated musicians for sure, though in the context of this thread, while both wrote hits, I couldnt put them in upper echelons of greatest songwriters.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 17):
And for some silly reason, I forgot Page/Plant/Jones/Bonham (Led Zeppelin)

Wow, me too! Sacriledge...  

[Edited 2012-12-27 19:05:16]


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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9763 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
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Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 20):
As under rated musicians for sure, though in the context of this thread, while both wrote hits, I couldnt put them in upper echelons of greatest songwriters.

Perhaps true. Though "Another One Bites the Dust", "Radio Ga Ga", "You're My Best Friend", "I Want to Break Free", and some others are some of my favorites.

But the thread says "your favorite songwriter/s" not "the greatest songwriters", so I guess we're both arguing an irrelevant point.  
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 20):

Maybe. Outside the music world, even to the fans if you ask them to name one Queen member I bet they will say Freddie, because of his vocals, showmanship and untimely death.

Certainly true, but what fan doesn't know every note of Brian May's guitar breaks in "Bohemian Rhapsody" or "We Will Rock You"?

But yeah, as a big Aerosmith fan, I deal with that all the time. Everyone knows Steven Tyler and Joe Perry. But the rhythm section has always been really freaking good, not to mention that Brad Whitford plays a lot of solos, including some really famous ones like "Dream On".



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Band from Chicago....Chevelle.

User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

While I haven't heard of many of these people, there are quite a few names I do recognize. One songwriting duo I didn't see happens to be my favorite. Brian Wilson/Mike Love of the Beach Boys penned many songs that are still popular today among people across all age ranges. You also can't forget greats like Leiber and Stoller. I'd list Phil Spector but I can't think off the top of my head whether he actually wrote lyrics or just the background music.

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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

I'm going to get a lot of flack for this but... Noel Gallagher.

Not all of his songs are masterpieces but some of them are mind-boggingly well written. And he also composes the instrumentals with all kinds of, erm, instruments (cellos, wind instruments...).



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 21):
so I guess we're both arguing an irrelevant point

Very true. A lot dont know however that is is actually Roger who hits the high notes in Bohemian Rhapsody, not Freddie.

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 24):

I'm going to get a lot of flack for this but... Noel Gallagher.

Not at all, Oasis fan here.



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User currently onlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2342 posts, RR: 8
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

Michael Jackson, Mariah Carey

Both of whom wrote most of their singles, #1 hits, and tracks on their albums.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Patti Smith and Peter Gabriel come to mind first.
Gabriel has disappointed me over the recent years, but his music still means a lot to me. And Patti Smith ... well I admire her.

Third place: P.J. Harvey
Then there are Brian Eno, and the two Davids - Byrne and Bowie.

When it comes to lyrics alone, I'd rank Tom Waits, Bob Dylan, Nick Cave, Rufus Wainwright or Leonard Cohen top.



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