Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3923 times:
Sorry another poll question. Was wondering from people's experieces travelling etc. which country they thought had the best coffee or coffee places. I'm kinda talking about cafes and drinking rather than the producers but if you have a favourite production country that is fine also.
For me I do not really think the UK is very high on the list for me although there are a ton of coffee shops here these days. I quite like Starbucks in the US. I keep hearing about Tim Hortons in Canada although I have never been to Canada. I've had some really good coffee in Switzerland and also some nice coffee in Madeira (Portugal island). In Italy I remember good thick hot chocolate but not coffee for some reason.
MillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1172 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3907 times:
New Caledonia wins hands down.
Ive never tasted a better coffee. Unfortunately the big bad and bland chains are appearing in New Caledonia but if you want heavenly good coffee get their local coffee beans.
I always have an acquaintance bring me coffee when he goes back home to Noumea. less caffeine as well so i can drink it at night.
Coffee is otherwise alot according to taste. people say Italy should be great but i never really found it special at all, maybe because I am no espresso fan.
But as long as people avoid the big chains and goes to a decent roaster then you cant really go that wrong.
A funny point. In Sweden the company that supplies schools, prisons and hospitals are called Kahls. Guess my astonishment when I saw that a Singaporean had opened a luxury coffee shop selling that brand in very upmarket Raffles City Mall...
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3904 times:
Many thanks for the reply. I didn't know New Caladonie even made coffee there. I spent a while a long time ago in Vanuatu not far from there. I don't think they grew coffee in Vanuatu although they had great beef and fresh fish and stuff.
Personally I don't mind big chains but I do find them tiring after having endless Starbucks and stuff.
That is funny about the Sweden/Singapore thing. I hear Starbucks is pretty popular in Singapore too!
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5481 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
The Chiapas Highlands of Southern Mexico. Very, robust, very flavorful, decent amount of caffeine. You can´t go wrong there. Guatemala also has excellent coffee. Colombian is great too, although I find it has too much caffeine for my taste. Two cups, and I feel as high strung as a piano wire.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3888 times:
Many thanks. Will look into those. I think for some reason it is hard to find Mexican coffee at all in the UK. In fact it is hard to find anything genuintely Mexican in the UK I think which is a shame. There is a popular Nescafe instant here called Cap Colombie although it is probably nothing like the real thing!
AirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3878 times:
I like the Colombian and Brazilian coffee. I have not tried Mexican coffee yet. I have a Nespresso machine and I am basing my opinion on the capsules with coffee, but it might not be the best way to enjoy coffee to begin with. However if you want a nice cup of coffee effortlessly, then it is a good way to do it.
For some reason, caffeine does not have any significant influence on me, meaning I can easily drink a few cups of coffee before going to sleep.
neutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 530 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3859 times:
Hard to say about the best as its so subjective but the among the most expensive cuppa - hands down - are animal dung coffee; namely Kopi Luwak and Black Ivory Coffee from the excretion of civets in Indonesia and elephants in Thailand respectively.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5481 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
Quoting neutrino (Reply 7): Hard to say about the best as its so subjective but the among the most expensive cuppa - hands down - are animal dung coffee; namely Kopi Luwak and Black Ivory Coffee from the excretion of civets in Indonesia and elephants in Thailand respectively.
And I´ll be dead cold before I try something like that. I know it´s considered a "delicacy" but no way. Too digusting for me.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3850 times:
Many thanks for the info. I think I was actually maybe watching a part of a program on Japanese satellite TV about this kind of coffee where someone had set up a place in Indonesia selling it. From what I remember the presenter really liked it and said it tasted like coffee but also with the consistency of tea or something like that. i remember it was pretty expensive.
Anyway many thanks. I didn't know much about it then.
Loubert From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3827 times:
Ps862, there's probably no single "best" country coffee. Coffee is as at least complex as wine, and keep in mind that it only grows well in certain growing conditions. It doesn't grow in Canada. Tim Horton's does make a pretty good cheap cup coffee along a certain style.
As far as greatness, many heavily involved in coffee in believe that great coffee is also an expression of terroir (i.e. the situation in which the coffee was grown), in addition to how your cup was brewed. So there are plenty of critical factors that impact the quality of one's cup of coffee. I'm probably even leaving off a few here, but off the top of my head:
1) growing conditions of the beans (including soil composition, precipitation, drainage, etc.)
2) roasting of the beans - a lighter roast is more acidic but has a more unique taste, while a darker roast tends to have a fuller body and a more uniform taste. As an example, Starbucks roasts most of their coffee quite dark. In my opinion it tends to have a very generic coffee taste.
3) freshness of beans after roasting - once the beans are roasted, they start to lose their flavor and aroma fairly quickly.
4) blend or single-origin? - like whisky or wine, coffee beans can be blended to the roaster's taste.
Then there are many user-facing variables.
There are also many different ways of mixing hot water and ground coffee. A certain roast of and grind (and blend) of a certain coffee might be better or worse depending on whether you're having espresso or drip/pour-over coffee. Also, the any condition of the water used to brew the coffee will matter: hardness/softness, pH, temperature, pressure, time of exposure to the grounds, and so on...
Basically what MillwallSean said above will hold true no matter how you like your coffee:
Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 1): But as long as people avoid the big chains and goes to a decent roaster then you cant really go that wrong.
A good roaster/café should answer your questions and be able to steer your towards something to your liking (especially if they're not too busy).
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3812 times:
Many thanks. I really know nothing about growing coffee so it was good to learn.
When I was working briefly in a cafe in USA they used to roast their own coffee and really looked down at Starbucks which they called "Charbucks" becasuse they thought they burnt all their coffee. I don't know maybe Starbucks does have a kinda burnt taste.
I think for me also (and I know this is probably wrong) coffee has a lot to do with how it is made up and even presented. Like how many people would like Starbucks if it was just in the mug they get at home? I shouldn't but I like Starbucks because of the mug and the chairs and stuff! Also in Switzerland they make small pots in the traditional style and the milk is very different to the milk here in UK so maybe that has something to do with it? I really don't know.
Like you said though I do hear a lot about Tim Hortons online! One day I dream to go to Canada and try them!
Aeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3800 times:
I vote for France. The combo of cafes and drinks appeals to me. I had my frist 'cafe creme' in the 80s and have sought them ever since. They just can't be replicated IMO.
Also, I find Air France serves the best coffee in the sky. "cafe de colombie' I always see written. I know, it's how its roasted, but its also how its prepared.
I am thinking the person who mentioned New Caledonia, nominated it because of it's French influence. NC is a territory/DOM much like Tahiti is, to France.
And before anybody starts bashing the US and thinking we all drink Folgers and Yuban, you will find excelelnt coffee (non starbucks) in many US cities as well as wonderful cafes as well. In fact, this is probably true for any country, so I say France for me mostly for sentimental reasons, but honestly, you can find good (and bad) coffee anywhere.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3795 times:
Many thanks. I think there is a lot ot truth to that "you can find good or bad coffee anywhere". Well maybe except the UK (joke!)
I do like the coffee in France in general though and there seems to be very little Starbucks there (maybe in Paris). Even in big cities like Metz and stuff I didn't see any Starbucks. It took me a bit to stop ordering tiny espressos with milk though and get a grand cafe au lait! But even the coffee in Flunch from the machines is pretty good.
I did like the coffee the one time I was on Air France but I think for me most airline coffee is just fine. The Air France one was pretty good though and came with a couple of creamers and butter biscuits.
Saying that I'm sure Emirates have great coffee too and many airlines of the World.
**I m not tryiing to make this a Starbucks sucks, what are they thinking thread.. Obviously it's appealing to someone.
The Air France coffee, IMO,is very bold and rich. Not weakened like some others
But you are correct too, the coffee coming out of those fast self serve machines are pretty good too. I also, when I lived there for a year, used the Nescafe brand of instants and whole roasted. Very very good.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3746 times:
Many thanks. I guess 25 Starbucks is quite a lot for a continental European city. London of course has hundreds! But in Zurich I only saw maybe 3 and Geneva maybe 2 or 3.
They even have some KFC I believe now in France which I heard them talking about on French radio once I think and they are doing pretty well. Of course there has been tons of McDonalds for a long time but they have kinda Frehchified it and call it Le McDo I think (or something like that)! It is pretty expensive compared to Uk and USA etc. But the coffee is good even there I think!
Aeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3740 times:
I have eaten at a McD in Marseille and Nice. I found the quality very good, but yes, more expensive. I dont think I ordered coffee, a coke for me with a burger please. Coffee at a cafe. lol.
I remember in the 80s, there were a few Burger Kings in Paris, but you had to pay extra for each ketchup packet grrrrr, and I needed about 8-10 with a whopper and fries. (Yes I like my ketcup with a burger and not the other way around lol)
the alternative then was Quick Burger, but I found their food to be way too salty
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3733 times:
Many thanks. I will keep this brief as we are kinda going off topic. Did you ever eat at that French American-themed country like chain "Buffalo Grill". They are mostly in replica old barn things like in hicksville USA or something! I remember when I was in Nice I think some really "American" American college students getting hyped about eating at Buffalo Grill there. I thought that was funny. I have never eaten at one although they do look pretty good and seem quite popular!
Aeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3729 times:
No. I never ate there. Prob wasnt there when I was. I can see why someone (American's) would get excited. Why not. A quick search shows it looks like pretty good food. When you're a student living abroad, some times you just hunker for some good old steak, a big burger with bacon, or a baked potato or big salad with ranch dressing or thousand island. lol.
I was a student when I lived there, and we craved things, but had to get things from Fauchon in Paris, or England or Belgium for our American fix. ( I was in Aix en Provence)
Aeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3726 times:
Getting back to coffee, I always found it interesting, in Italy, at a cafe, you pay first, then sit down. In France, you pay after sitting down.
Now Italian coffee is sold, like "Illy" or "Lavazza" or "Motta" and is quite good. I have bought Illly in the US for many many years. Years ago I was only able to find it in a high end store like Neiman Marcus when I lived in San Francisco, in their epicurious food section. It is now more widely available, but a bit pricier. I can get it here in Honolulu at Williams Sonoma or, oddly enough, Longs Drugs.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3720 times:
Last thing before we go completely off topic. There is an equivalent high end kinda thing here in London/UK and it is Lucky Charms breakfast cereal! They sell it only in Selfridges and another high end department store or two. Price is 7 pounds or even more for 1 box (about 14USD!). Even though I love lucky charms I have never bought one!
Aeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 689 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3714 times:
Lucky Charms is a children's cereal (and for adults who like that too lol). I have not eaten it in 20+ years . I remember liking it, it was an oat based cereal I think, but I liked it moreso for the little 'charms' that were dehydrated marshmallow bits in various colors. Sometimes I would just all the charm bits out of the box leaving no more. There were a few other cereals in the same vein such as "Count Chocula" which had marshmallow chocolate flavored bits and "Boo Berry" which had blueberry flavored bits shaped as ghosts. The joys of American childrens cereals when you're a child! Gawd, now I have an odd craving for Captain Crunch with the red crunchberries. Wondering if they still make that??
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3626 posts, RR: 28 Reply 24, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3556 times:
I have to say Brazil. I am not a big coffee drinker, but every time I go there for work, the smell of great espresso just seems to permeate the air - that thing is everywhere (at least in office buildings). The best part is, it seems every time you go into a meeting someone always asks you if you want a coffee, which I am never able to say no to regardless of how many I have already had that day. Since I am not used to drinking much coffee, and when I go I have 4-5 meetings per day, by the end of the day I am usually climbing up walls and jumping on tables.
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25 AustrianZRH: When were you in ZRH the last time? They have expanded quite a bit in the last ten years, I can think of six or seven in the old town alone. I am sur
26 shamrock604: Dutch coffee has to be the finest you will find in Europe at least, for a decent, standard cup of normal coffee. Douwe Egberts Rodemerk is to be parti
27 Ps762: Hi! Many thanks for the replies. Brazilian coffee sounds very nice although the other reccommendations all sound good too. Although many will disagree
28 Kent350787: Is this thread about coffee beans, espresso coffee, chains or cafes? Them's fighting words there!!! With a number of fantastic roasters (Campos, Mecca
29 melpax: Lazyness or bad training are really the only excuses for making bad coffee. There's quite a few coffee shops opening up here in Melbourne that roast
30 LFutia: Bosnian Coffee is generally good. Its just like Turkish coffee. That reminds me, I need to get more coffee. Leo/ORD
31 mbmbos: Costa Rica. Never had a bad cup of coffee there.
32 Kent350787: Isn't that the norm (although I do need an even better grinder). Mst people don't realise how important freshly ground bean are.
33 Pyrex: If you are talking about the coffee-shop environment and not the coffee itself,how could I forget Chile? They have this concept called "Cafe con piern
34 AR385: They are everywhere in Santiago. Sadly, the señoritas are not what they used to be...Here´s hopin Starbuck´s picks up the concept.
35 melpax: True. I've cheated & got myself an automatic machine, just have to make sure the beans & water are loaded up and it's all good to go. Only ha
36 Kent350787: I enjoy grinding, dosing and tamping myself - not interested in an auto machine, although with fresh beans they are better than a bad coffee maker (s