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Gay Men/women Doing Non-stereotypical Jobs.  
User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5283 times:

Hi!

Sorry for another thread just one last thing I wanted to ask. One thing I have noticed is that on TV generally (at least the TV I used to watch) there are quite a lot of camp hairdressers and male flight attendants and female gym teachers who are meant to be homosexual and stuff.

However I was just wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women. Now I know it doesn't really matter and that we are all people and the same and bla bla bla but I was just curious.

I know a guy who is gay and works for an airline so I guess that is no suprise. My cousin is gay and a fashion designer. Again no suprise! But my old roommate was gay and is a haematologist I think which I guess is quite common or more common now. I heard he actually works for another gay senior medical guy and they kinda work with other gay guys in a kinda team or something but I don't know if that's true!

But I have also met guys who were gay doing totally different things like a gay Ice Hockey referee in Canada. And a gay film music editor and electronic musician.

Anyway yes I know it doesn't really matter and we are all human beings etc. but I was just curious. Please delete if inappropriate.

Many thanks!

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25086 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5255 times:
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Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
However I was just wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women. Now I know it doesn't really matter and that we are all people and the same and bla bla bla but I was just curious.

I work in show biz, so no surprise about me and many of my friends.

Non-stereotypically, I've met 'em just about everywhere. I once dallied with a construction worker the evening before he was off to Antarctica for six months for the winter season, he's still a good mate.

Another, also a construction worker, preferred to take jobs in remote, rough and unlikely places. He'd worked a winter season in Antarctica, too, and then went to (tropical but rough-as-guts) Bougainville Island.

I've spent a fair amount of time in outback Australia and they pop up everywhere there as well - miners (again), construction, cattle station hands, medical, defence, detention officers, a cop or two.

I know of very few professions without 'em.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-25 02:45:49]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the info. I think I leant a lot. I had a look at your page and it says you were nominated for an Oscar? Wow. I will try to check out that movie.

Anyway speaking of gay guys in showbusiness one of my favourite recent movies was 2012 and while it was an action film it was also a film about family a lot and stuff. And the director and co-writer Roland Emmerich is gay I think. I often wondered why a gay guy would make a film with so much heart (I thought) basically about a way of life he would never really have a part in. I thought it was really quite cool.

And online in chatrooms and stuff gay guys seem like pretty much the only guys who can have a normal conversation these days (at least in the chatrooms I end up in!).

Many thanks.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13074 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5222 times:

I have known and know of several GLTB's as Lawyers, paralegals and related careers, one man I knew had a long career as a furniture salesperson and one lesbian who grew up on my street worked for years as a telephone repair person. Of course via the media we know of gay faith ministers, gay politicians, gay business executives and teachers.

User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the reply. That is interesting to learn of the different stuff.

As an aside when I was talking to this ice hockey referee he said sometimes he was attracted to these macho hockey players (he was seriously into the sport too though and the passion for the game was what drove his refereeing). I said "have you ever said so to them" and he was like "hell no!". I thought that was quite funny.

Anyway many thanks for the info.


User currently offlinemal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

I work in mining here in Australia, a few guys know I am Gay and don't care. And the good thing is, there are others out here to , so life is good and not as homophobic as it was 10 years ago

mal787



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Hi!

Many thanks. That is cool I think. I guess when you are not the only one things get a bit easier too. Like pretty much any minority I guess.

Many thanks.


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

I work in the timeshare industry.

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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

Hospitality, law enforcement, my doctor is gay.

I am not saying this to be rude or mean or anything, just making a statement: gays have had non-stereotypical jobs for centuries. The difference is, with the advent of television and internet and mass communication, it has become more common and more accepted to think of LGBT people as "normal" and having "normal" jobs instead of like back in the day when they were relegated to either a life of quiet desparation hating their wife and kids or living a bachelor life with their "special friend".



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5504 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5078 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 8):
my doctor is gay.

Not just yours, our resident A.net doctor is gay too (or so I've been lead to believe   )

Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
real World with jobs done by gay men and women.

Engineers, managers, Senators, astronauts, professional athletes, lifeguards, bridal shop owners (a lesbian friend of mine), oil rig equipment leasing and maintenance (a gay friend of mine is one third owner of one)..... basically any business or job that is out there.

Tugg



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13987 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5059 times:

I knew an Australian gay airline captain. He made no secret out of the fact that he was gay, but he was anything but camp (in fact with his grey crew cut and being somewhere around 6.5 ft tall, he looked like a former American football quarterback, who was now working as a coach). He liked to take the micky though from (mainly straight men), who didn´t like gays.
I never had a problem with him and he was always good fun in the pub, who knew a lot of off colour jokes. He was aldso well liked by the female cabin crew.

Jan


User currently onlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1746 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 5037 times:

Gangster? (he's gay, says later at about 35 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmgCuiByG7k


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19518 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 5033 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
He liked to take the micky though from (mainly straight men), who didn´t like gays.

English translation?

Anyway, I'm gay. I'm a doctor. Not a nurse. In fact, most of the male nurses I know are straight.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25086 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 5022 times:
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Quoting Ps762 (Reply 4):
I said "have you ever said so to them" and he was like "hell no!". I thought that was quite funny.

That's very common. Part of the issue is that there isn't very much recorded history of gay men until about fifty years ago. People just didn't write about it.

Back in the early 1800's, Sydney (Australia) was a convict colony and was called "the Sodom of the South Seas" - but we only know that because of people talking about it in disgusted terms.

There are obviously some records of homosexual behaviour - prisoners sentenced and in one case hanged - but there is no mention of any homosexual behaviour in any Australian novel (and then only a throwaway hint) until 1958.

People were no different then but to be open about it meant you'd lose your job, especially in the military, and many of your friends. The famous 19th century explorer, Sir Richard Burton, only got married because he was "advised to" by his commanding officer.

Lawrence of Arabia had a life-long history of relationships with men, including an affair with a young Arab man (they lived together) and later, being beaten to orgasm by men. He left a record of it which is embarrassing to many historians, so they deny it - it doesn't mean what he said. Because he was a great general he couldn't have been gay, they claim, whereas critics of him say that if he was gay, he couldn't have been a great general.

Once you start putting together the dribs and drabs of history, there are a lot of surprises.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-25 11:01:28]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5506 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 5019 times:

It is common, in pop culture, to emphasize more flamboyant behavior in stereotypical career areas for gays - no surprise, when you recall that the whole point of the show is to generate controversy and interest, and thus, to sell advertising.

But be real. Let's say E Television produced a show "Gay Petroleum Engineers" about a degreed PE going through the wild and wacky day of reservoir engineering, production enhancement, maybe process design for increased yield. How would gayness ever come into play there?

It is not as if there have not been a substantial proportion of gay folks in pretty much all areas of work; we're just (collectively) more accepting of the simple (and not particularly controversial) reality of homosexuality.

Now, I think you can thank those in the "traditional" gay vocations (floral designer, hairdresser, male flight attendant, you name it) for having the guts to stick their toes into the pond, so to speak, breaking the ice for greater long-term acceptance.

My mom owned a very good flower shop for many years, and from that I learned that good flower shops almost always had gay male designers. Just worked out that way. The best suppliers (wholesale greenhouses and the like) seemed to be, as well. Wasn't a good thing or a bad thing, it was just ... how it was. I was the only straight guy in the shop when I worked there, and it was almost funny how the other guys tried to convince me I was gay - perhaps because I was not acting like a jerk? This was at the very beginning of the spread of AIDS, and watching good people whom we loved taken by the disease made it very difficult to hear what were then fairly common jokes about AIDS.

More than you asked for, but it is Christmas and Christmas was a pretty big deal around The Flower Shop, and I was reminiscing about lost loved ones.

Still hard for me to grasp why anyone would feel threatened by something so irrelevant as whether someone was gay or straight.



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13987 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
He liked to take the micky though from (mainly straight men), who didn´t like gays.

English translation?

This is actually Irish slang (Remember, I used to live in Ireland for several years and native English speakers often tell me that I still have a slight Irish accent). It means taking the p#ss, making fun of in a practical way, getting them embarrassed in public, pulling their leg.

Jan


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 4986 times:
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Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
I was just wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women

I have a good friend who is gay and he is a tug boat captain and railroad drawbridge operator. Those jobs are anything, but stereotypical gay jobs.

I had a gay professor in a post graduate class, he taught special education courses. Prior to that he had been director of special education in a school district.

I used to work in an auto service facility with a couple of lesbians. Those two were very butch and a couple of good mechanics.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

On the subject of non-stereotypical gay workers, which sport will be the first to have openly gay players? I think either hockey or American football. I think basketball would be last.


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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

I'm gay and planning to go into IT consultancy/something in IT in like 4 years time :')

User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4904 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 17):
On the subject of non-stereotypical gay workers, which sport will be the first to have openly gay players? I think either hockey or American football. I think basketball would be last.

I'm assuming you mean in America? There are already several out LGBT men and women sports players all over the world, including a female American basketball Olympian (among several others I'm sure. I just did a quick google).


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4900 times:
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Quoting seb146 (Reply 17):
which sport will be the first to have openly gay players

pro tennis?

Martina Navratilova came out of the closet in 1981.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 19):
There are already several out LGBT men and women sports players all over the world, including a female American basketball Olympian

Yes. In The States it is not as accepted as in Europe. I think the most fameous one would be Martina Navratalova. I think there are some female golfers as well. But, gay men in professional sports? Just like gay male singers: not popular. How many hits have Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin and Lance Bass had since they came out?



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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
Just like gay male singers: not popular. How many hits have Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin and Lance Bass had since they came out?

Male singers of note recently: Frank Ocean, Edward Droste of Grizzly Bear, Rostam Batmanglij of Vampire Weekend, Sam Sparro, Mika, Jake Shears of the Scissor Sisters, Jonsi of Sigur Ros, Rufus Wainwright, Adam Lambert, and Elton John are all out, and quite relevant in today's music scene - just from a quick google. I'm sure there are dozens more we know about, and even more that choose to keep quiet.

Gay people are, after all, just people. Some people are out, but not in-your-face about it. I don't go flaunting it to people, and most wouldn't know I am without my telling them. It's nobody's business but those who I choose to let know.


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4883 times:
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Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin

You could say the same about many of their straight contemporaries. A lot of artists don't have a lot of staying power. I can think of a lot of bands/artists that were once chart toppers, but now they would be a stumper on the "dead or alive" game.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
Just like gay male singers: not popular.

The Village People were very popular and pretty much everyone knew they were Gay. When I was kid my parents had some village people records in their collection and my dad once told me "they are pretty good for a bunch of queers" I didn't even know what that meant back then.

[Edited 2012-12-25 14:24:33]


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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for all the info. I think I really learnt a lot which is good. Plus it is inspiring me to get off my / and get a job!

Many thanks.


25 seb146 : But once a man comes out as gay is when his career takes a dive. Straight men take a dive either because they are flash-in-the-pan or their follow-up
26 luckyone : How many hits did they have in the YEARS prior to their coming out? For the record, Lance Bass has never worked as a solo artist. And let's be real..
27 Ps762 : Hi! Not to go completely off topic but regarding the gay musicians (the famous ones) I agree it's kinda hard to market a guy to teenage girls or even
28 seb146 : Which is probably why Tom Cruise and John Travolta never came out: it would devistate their careers! No, Lance Bass never had a solo career. Now, he
29 panam330 : And did you happen to notice the nice sized list I posted of the ones that are doing just fine? Just because they're not top 40 doesn't mean that the
30 tugger : You are right, I think the key thing is always the audience you are selling to. Just like when a group comes out with that album that "really express
31 Post contains images zippyjet : At least in the states, Gay politicians (usually in the closet and many are Republican!) A gay Sumo wrestler who looks and acts like the hippo sized
32 Ps762 : Hi! Many thanks for the replies. On the gay music thing I recently ordered a CD by a guy I once kinda worked with. I paid like 40 dollars for it too a
33 dc9northwest : Gaahl is gay. That was a surprise for most of his fans. If you don't know who he is, just search for him on Google Images.
34 steman : Let's see... I am gay and I work in logistics and production planning for a big chemical company. My boyfriend is a psychotherapist My best friends wo
35 Ps762 : Hi! Many thanks for the replies. Interesting to read. Makes me really think I need a job! I think this is very true. I think on TV you normally only s
36 extspotter : I'm a microbiologist and my boyfriend is a virologist. Unfortunately, we don't really have any other proper-job gays in our groups of friends - betwee
37 seb146 : Right. Adam Lambert is not that popular and Elton John... well... let's face it: we all knew even before he officially came out. Not all of us care a
38 seven3seven : I dont know what it is exactly about this thread I find demeaning. I know youre actually being supportive but gay people can hold any job they set the
39 panam330 : Several of those bands are on terrestrial radio. Whether you subscribe to it or not, iTunes can and does influence what gets put onto the radio - but
40 jamincan : I work in mineral exploration; it is not exactly a stereotypically gay job. Some fields gay friends of mine work in: software development (a lot), mar
41 kiwiinoz : Accountants. I am going to call them as punching below their weight in terms of gay representation.
42 bookishaviator : I work for a large insurance company (but don't hold that against me). Sometimes it seems the place is full of gay men.
43 Aesma : The mayor of Paris is gay. What is most surprising is not that he's gay but that it's a known fact, since our politicians are usually shy about their
44 mham001 : My wife and I were discussing this morning that the only two male teachers in our local school both dress in pink. We are wondering what message that
45 Klaus : So is the current mayor of Berlin and the current german foreign minister (plus the former mayor of Hamburg), without any significant excitement abou
46 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : I'm a big ol' flaming queen....but I'm in Tech Ops at my airline (no I'm not a technician, but I am still in the department getting dirty when I can L
47 tootallsd : I'm an accountant. We are very into the double entry method. I work hard, so I can play hard! Cheers
48 kiwiinoz : So what was your conclusion?
49 seven3seven : Im guessing your kids couldnt care less, but Im sure they are getting the message from you that its wrong. You're more worried about the color of the
50 Pellegrine : I'm a bit offended by the topic. Gay people work everywhere. I really don't get this type of questioning. 10% or more of the population is GBLTQ. They
51 Post contains images baguy : I don't think there's any reason to be offended here - the OP is merely trying to say that often gay people are portrayed as having jobs such as bein
52 Pellegrine : See. This topic is complex and a bit ridiculous in my opinion. I do not want to delegitimize the OP's question or make them feel untoward. But so wha
53 mham001 : That the school, with it's severe liberal ideals is short-changing the children with it's lack of diversity in the teaching staff. 10% claim to have
54 seb146 : The way I remember it: Between them and BSB, there was talk of both of them getting back together for one more album and tour each. Then Lance Bass c
55 mariner : But they don't all wear pink. I thought we'd moved on from that concept. I know a number of men who - queer - deliberately put themselves in tough an
56 Doona : You believe dressing in pink means they're gay? Is a woman who dresses in blue automatically a lesbian? Cheers Mats
57 kiwirob : so to summarise gay people can be pretty much anything they want to be, who would have thought that?
58 GlobalMoose : Surprised it took until Reply 58, especially for airliners.net - Pilot! I know there are a whole slew of us driving jets all over the world. To make i
59 777222LR : I'm an operations manager for a large Medical Group. Do a lot of advertising contracts, property management, and public relations management. Is that
60 Post contains images panam330 : This. I hear the bands I listed on local radio stations in central NY (during holidays and whatnot) and in central Florida (where I go to school). Co
61 DocLightning : 30 years ago, few people would have thought that. How far we've come.
62 Post contains links mariner : That they're very old-fashioned? This pink/blue concept is relatively modern. Here's this, from 1918: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-c...-Did-Gir
63 kiwirob : I'm happy that this flipped over.
64 Post contains links falstaff : Not everyone doesn't care.... I remember reading about this in ten years ago. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/07/wo...being-stabbed-during-festival.ht
65 JoeCanuck : Perceptions are changing, maybe too slowly, but changing all the same. A few years ago, who would have guess there would be openly gay people in prime
66 ME AVN FAN : In Zürich the city-president is a women who is known to be lesbian and people know her (female) partner. The lady most likely will be RE-elected whe
67 Post contains images diesel1 : Indeed they are. Though it was hardly a secret, Gareth Thomas, former Welsh Rugby Union (and League) team captain came out whilst still playing profe
68 JoeCanuck : It will be so refreshing when coming out is met with abject boredom instead of headlines.
69 Post contains links mariner : And an invite to the Royal Wedding (not for coming out, but after he did): http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/20...prince-william-and-kate-middleton/
70 Post contains images LO231 : I'm a travel agent. Is that stereotypical?
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