Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4641 times:
Sorry for another thread just one last thing I wanted to ask. One thing I have noticed is that on TV generally (at least the TV I used to watch) there are quite a lot of camp hairdressers and male flight attendants and female gym teachers who are meant to be homosexual and stuff.
However I was just wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women. Now I know it doesn't really matter and that we are all people and the same and bla bla bla but I was just curious.
I know a guy who is gay and works for an airline so I guess that is no suprise. My cousin is gay and a fashion designer. Again no suprise! But my old roommate was gay and is a haematologist I think which I guess is quite common or more common now. I heard he actually works for another gay senior medical guy and they kinda work with other gay guys in a kinda team or something but I don't know if that's true!
But I have also met guys who were gay doing totally different things like a gay Ice Hockey referee in Canada. And a gay film music editor and electronic musician.
Anyway yes I know it doesn't really matter and we are all human beings etc. but I was just curious. Please delete if inappropriate.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 23880 posts, RR: 87 Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4613 times:
Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter): However I was just wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women. Now I know it doesn't really matter and that we are all people and the same and bla bla bla but I was just curious.
I work in show biz, so no surprise about me and many of my friends.
Non-stereotypically, I've met 'em just about everywhere. I once dallied with a construction worker the evening before he was off to Antarctica for six months for the winter season, he's still a good mate.
Another, also a construction worker, preferred to take jobs in remote, rough and unlikely places. He'd worked a winter season in Antarctica, too, and then went to (tropical but rough-as-guts) Bougainville Island.
I've spent a fair amount of time in outback Australia and they pop up everywhere there as well - miners (again), construction, cattle station hands, medical, defence, detention officers, a cop or two.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4594 times:
Many thanks for the info. I think I leant a lot. I had a look at your page and it says you were nominated for an Oscar? Wow. I will try to check out that movie.
Anyway speaking of gay guys in showbusiness one of my favourite recent movies was 2012 and while it was an action film it was also a film about family a lot and stuff. And the director and co-writer Roland Emmerich is gay I think. I often wondered why a gay guy would make a film with so much heart (I thought) basically about a way of life he would never really have a part in. I thought it was really quite cool.
And online in chatrooms and stuff gay guys seem like pretty much the only guys who can have a normal conversation these days (at least in the chatrooms I end up in!).
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12671 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4580 times:
I have known and know of several GLTB's as Lawyers, paralegals and related careers, one man I knew had a long career as a furniture salesperson and one lesbian who grew up on my street worked for years as a telephone repair person. Of course via the media we know of gay faith ministers, gay politicians, gay business executives and teachers.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4569 times:
Many thanks for the reply. That is interesting to learn of the different stuff.
As an aside when I was talking to this ice hockey referee he said sometimes he was attracted to these macho hockey players (he was seriously into the sport too though and the passion for the game was what drove his refereeing). I said "have you ever said so to them" and he was like "hell no!". I thought that was quite funny.
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 10698 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4447 times:
Hospitality, law enforcement, my doctor is gay.
I am not saying this to be rude or mean or anything, just making a statement: gays have had non-stereotypical jobs for centuries. The difference is, with the advent of television and internet and mass communication, it has become more common and more accepted to think of LGBT people as "normal" and having "normal" jobs instead of like back in the day when they were relegated to either a life of quiet desparation hating their wife and kids or living a bachelor life with their "special friend".
Engineers, managers, Senators, astronauts, professional athletes, lifeguards, bridal shop owners (a lesbian friend of mine), oil rig equipment leasing and maintenance (a gay friend of mine is one third owner of one)..... basically any business or job that is out there.
I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13599 posts, RR: 63 Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4417 times:
I knew an Australian gay airline captain. He made no secret out of the fact that he was gay, but he was anything but camp (in fact with his grey crew cut and being somewhere around 6.5 ft tall, he looked like a former American football quarterback, who was now working as a coach). He liked to take the micky though from (mainly straight men), who didn´t like gays.
I never had a problem with him and he was always good fun in the pub, who knew a lot of off colour jokes. He was aldso well liked by the female cabin crew.
mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 23880 posts, RR: 87 Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4380 times:
Quoting Ps762 (Reply 4): I said "have you ever said so to them" and he was like "hell no!". I thought that was quite funny.
That's very common. Part of the issue is that there isn't very much recorded history of gay men until about fifty years ago. People just didn't write about it.
Back in the early 1800's, Sydney (Australia) was a convict colony and was called "the Sodom of the South Seas" - but we only know that because of people talking about it in disgusted terms.
There are obviously some records of homosexual behaviour - prisoners sentenced and in one case hanged - but there is no mention of any homosexual behaviour in any Australian novel (and then only a throwaway hint) until 1958.
People were no different then but to be open about it meant you'd lose your job, especially in the military, and many of your friends. The famous 19th century explorer, Sir Richard Burton, only got married because he was "advised to" by his commanding officer.
Lawrence of Arabia had a life-long history of relationships with men, including an affair with a young Arab man (they lived together) and later, being beaten to orgasm by men. He left a record of it which is embarrassing to many historians, so they deny it - it doesn't mean what he said. Because he was a great general he couldn't have been gay, they claim, whereas critics of him say that if he was gay, he couldn't have been a great general.
Once you start putting together the dribs and drabs of history, there are a lot of surprises.
sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5243 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4377 times:
It is common, in pop culture, to emphasize more flamboyant behavior in stereotypical career areas for gays - no surprise, when you recall that the whole point of the show is to generate controversy and interest, and thus, to sell advertising.
But be real. Let's say E Television produced a show "Gay Petroleum Engineers" about a degreed PE going through the wild and wacky day of reservoir engineering, production enhancement, maybe process design for increased yield. How would gayness ever come into play there?
It is not as if there have not been a substantial proportion of gay folks in pretty much all areas of work; we're just (collectively) more accepting of the simple (and not particularly controversial) reality of homosexuality.
Now, I think you can thank those in the "traditional" gay vocations (floral designer, hairdresser, male flight attendant, you name it) for having the guts to stick their toes into the pond, so to speak, breaking the ice for greater long-term acceptance.
My mom owned a very good flower shop for many years, and from that I learned that good flower shops almost always had gay male designers. Just worked out that way. The best suppliers (wholesale greenhouses and the like) seemed to be, as well. Wasn't a good thing or a bad thing, it was just ... how it was. I was the only straight guy in the shop when I worked there, and it was almost funny how the other guys tried to convince me I was gay - perhaps because I was not acting like a jerk? This was at the very beginning of the spread of AIDS, and watching good people whom we loved taken by the disease made it very difficult to hear what were then fairly common jokes about AIDS.
More than you asked for, but it is Christmas and Christmas was a pretty big deal around The Flower Shop, and I was reminiscing about lost loved ones.
Still hard for me to grasp why anyone would feel threatened by something so irrelevant as whether someone was gay or straight.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13599 posts, RR: 63 Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4375 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12): Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
He liked to take the micky though from (mainly straight men), who didn´t like gays.
This is actually Irish slang (Remember, I used to live in Ireland for several years and native English speakers often tell me that I still have a slight Irish accent). It means taking the p#ss, making fun of in a practical way, getting them embarrassed in public, pulling their leg.
panam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2648 posts, RR: 10 Reply 19, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4262 times:
Quoting seb146 (Reply 17): On the subject of non-stereotypical gay workers, which sport will be the first to have openly gay players? I think either hockey or American football. I think basketball would be last.
I'm assuming you mean in America? There are already several out LGBT men and women sports players all over the world, including a female American basketball Olympian (among several others I'm sure. I just did a quick google).
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 10698 posts, RR: 16 Reply 21, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4258 times:
Quoting panam330 (Reply 19): There are already several out LGBT men and women sports players all over the world, including a female American basketball Olympian
Yes. In The States it is not as accepted as in Europe. I think the most fameous one would be Martina Navratalova. I think there are some female golfers as well. But, gay men in professional sports? Just like gay male singers: not popular. How many hits have Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin and Lance Bass had since they came out?
panam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2648 posts, RR: 10 Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4246 times:
Quoting seb146 (Reply 21): Just like gay male singers: not popular. How many hits have Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin and Lance Bass had since they came out?
Male singers of note recently: Frank Ocean, Edward Droste of Grizzly Bear, Rostam Batmanglij of Vampire Weekend, Sam Sparro, Mika, Jake Shears of the Scissor Sisters, Jonsi of Sigur Ros, Rufus Wainwright, Adam Lambert, and Elton John are all out, and quite relevant in today's music scene - just from a quick google. I'm sure there are dozens more we know about, and even more that choose to keep quiet.
Gay people are, after all, just people. Some people are out, but not in-your-face about it. I don't go flaunting it to people, and most wouldn't know I am without my telling them. It's nobody's business but those who I choose to let know.
You could say the same about many of their straight contemporaries. A lot of artists don't have a lot of staying power. I can think of a lot of bands/artists that were once chart toppers, but now they would be a stumper on the "dead or alive" game.
The Village People were very popular and pretty much everyone knew they were Gay. When I was kid my parents had some village people records in their collection and my dad once told me "they are pretty good for a bunch of queers" I didn't even know what that meant back then.