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Gay Men/women Doing Non-stereotypical Jobs.  
User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Hi!

Sorry for another thread just one last thing I wanted to ask. One thing I have noticed is that on TV generally (at least the TV I used to watch) there are quite a lot of camp hairdressers and male flight attendants and female gym teachers who are meant to be homosexual and stuff.

However I was just wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women. Now I know it doesn't really matter and that we are all people and the same and bla bla bla but I was just curious.

I know a guy who is gay and works for an airline so I guess that is no suprise. My cousin is gay and a fashion designer. Again no suprise! But my old roommate was gay and is a haematologist I think which I guess is quite common or more common now. I heard he actually works for another gay senior medical guy and they kinda work with other gay guys in a kinda team or something but I don't know if that's true!

But I have also met guys who were gay doing totally different things like a gay Ice Hockey referee in Canada. And a gay film music editor and electronic musician.

Anyway yes I know it doesn't really matter and we are all human beings etc. but I was just curious. Please delete if inappropriate.

Many thanks!

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25142 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5268 times:
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Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
However I was just wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women. Now I know it doesn't really matter and that we are all people and the same and bla bla bla but I was just curious.

I work in show biz, so no surprise about me and many of my friends.

Non-stereotypically, I've met 'em just about everywhere. I once dallied with a construction worker the evening before he was off to Antarctica for six months for the winter season, he's still a good mate.

Another, also a construction worker, preferred to take jobs in remote, rough and unlikely places. He'd worked a winter season in Antarctica, too, and then went to (tropical but rough-as-guts) Bougainville Island.

I've spent a fair amount of time in outback Australia and they pop up everywhere there as well - miners (again), construction, cattle station hands, medical, defence, detention officers, a cop or two.

I know of very few professions without 'em.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-25 02:45:49]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the info. I think I leant a lot. I had a look at your page and it says you were nominated for an Oscar? Wow. I will try to check out that movie.

Anyway speaking of gay guys in showbusiness one of my favourite recent movies was 2012 and while it was an action film it was also a film about family a lot and stuff. And the director and co-writer Roland Emmerich is gay I think. I often wondered why a gay guy would make a film with so much heart (I thought) basically about a way of life he would never really have a part in. I thought it was really quite cool.

And online in chatrooms and stuff gay guys seem like pretty much the only guys who can have a normal conversation these days (at least in the chatrooms I end up in!).

Many thanks.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

I have known and know of several GLTB's as Lawyers, paralegals and related careers, one man I knew had a long career as a furniture salesperson and one lesbian who grew up on my street worked for years as a telephone repair person. Of course via the media we know of gay faith ministers, gay politicians, gay business executives and teachers.

User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the reply. That is interesting to learn of the different stuff.

As an aside when I was talking to this ice hockey referee he said sometimes he was attracted to these macho hockey players (he was seriously into the sport too though and the passion for the game was what drove his refereeing). I said "have you ever said so to them" and he was like "hell no!". I thought that was quite funny.

Anyway many thanks for the info.


User currently offlinemal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

I work in mining here in Australia, a few guys know I am Gay and don't care. And the good thing is, there are others out here to , so life is good and not as homophobic as it was 10 years ago

mal787



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Hi!

Many thanks. That is cool I think. I guess when you are not the only one things get a bit easier too. Like pretty much any minority I guess.

Many thanks.


User currently offlineLFutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3339 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

I work in the timeshare industry.

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User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11586 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Hospitality, law enforcement, my doctor is gay.

I am not saying this to be rude or mean or anything, just making a statement: gays have had non-stereotypical jobs for centuries. The difference is, with the advent of television and internet and mass communication, it has become more common and more accepted to think of LGBT people as "normal" and having "normal" jobs instead of like back in the day when they were relegated to either a life of quiet desparation hating their wife and kids or living a bachelor life with their "special friend".



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 8):
my doctor is gay.

Not just yours, our resident A.net doctor is gay too (or so I've been lead to believe   )

Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
real World with jobs done by gay men and women.

Engineers, managers, Senators, astronauts, professional athletes, lifeguards, bridal shop owners (a lesbian friend of mine), oil rig equipment leasing and maintenance (a gay friend of mine is one third owner of one)..... basically any business or job that is out there.

Tugg



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

I knew an Australian gay airline captain. He made no secret out of the fact that he was gay, but he was anything but camp (in fact with his grey crew cut and being somewhere around 6.5 ft tall, he looked like a former American football quarterback, who was now working as a coach). He liked to take the micky though from (mainly straight men), who didn´t like gays.
I never had a problem with him and he was always good fun in the pub, who knew a lot of off colour jokes. He was aldso well liked by the female cabin crew.

Jan


User currently offlinefca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1752 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Gangster? (he's gay, says later at about 35 mins)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmgCuiByG7k


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19568 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
He liked to take the micky though from (mainly straight men), who didn´t like gays.

English translation?

Anyway, I'm gay. I'm a doctor. Not a nurse. In fact, most of the male nurses I know are straight.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25142 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5035 times:
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Quoting Ps762 (Reply 4):
I said "have you ever said so to them" and he was like "hell no!". I thought that was quite funny.

That's very common. Part of the issue is that there isn't very much recorded history of gay men until about fifty years ago. People just didn't write about it.

Back in the early 1800's, Sydney (Australia) was a convict colony and was called "the Sodom of the South Seas" - but we only know that because of people talking about it in disgusted terms.

There are obviously some records of homosexual behaviour - prisoners sentenced and in one case hanged - but there is no mention of any homosexual behaviour in any Australian novel (and then only a throwaway hint) until 1958.

People were no different then but to be open about it meant you'd lose your job, especially in the military, and many of your friends. The famous 19th century explorer, Sir Richard Burton, only got married because he was "advised to" by his commanding officer.

Lawrence of Arabia had a life-long history of relationships with men, including an affair with a young Arab man (they lived together) and later, being beaten to orgasm by men. He left a record of it which is embarrassing to many historians, so they deny it - it doesn't mean what he said. Because he was a great general he couldn't have been gay, they claim, whereas critics of him say that if he was gay, he couldn't have been a great general.

Once you start putting together the dribs and drabs of history, there are a lot of surprises.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-12-25 11:01:28]


aeternum nauta
User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5508 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

It is common, in pop culture, to emphasize more flamboyant behavior in stereotypical career areas for gays - no surprise, when you recall that the whole point of the show is to generate controversy and interest, and thus, to sell advertising.

But be real. Let's say E Television produced a show "Gay Petroleum Engineers" about a degreed PE going through the wild and wacky day of reservoir engineering, production enhancement, maybe process design for increased yield. How would gayness ever come into play there?

It is not as if there have not been a substantial proportion of gay folks in pretty much all areas of work; we're just (collectively) more accepting of the simple (and not particularly controversial) reality of homosexuality.

Now, I think you can thank those in the "traditional" gay vocations (floral designer, hairdresser, male flight attendant, you name it) for having the guts to stick their toes into the pond, so to speak, breaking the ice for greater long-term acceptance.

My mom owned a very good flower shop for many years, and from that I learned that good flower shops almost always had gay male designers. Just worked out that way. The best suppliers (wholesale greenhouses and the like) seemed to be, as well. Wasn't a good thing or a bad thing, it was just ... how it was. I was the only straight guy in the shop when I worked there, and it was almost funny how the other guys tried to convince me I was gay - perhaps because I was not acting like a jerk? This was at the very beginning of the spread of AIDS, and watching good people whom we loved taken by the disease made it very difficult to hear what were then fairly common jokes about AIDS.

More than you asked for, but it is Christmas and Christmas was a pretty big deal around The Flower Shop, and I was reminiscing about lost loved ones.

Still hard for me to grasp why anyone would feel threatened by something so irrelevant as whether someone was gay or straight.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14003 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
He liked to take the micky though from (mainly straight men), who didn´t like gays.

English translation?

This is actually Irish slang (Remember, I used to live in Ireland for several years and native English speakers often tell me that I still have a slight Irish accent). It means taking the p#ss, making fun of in a practical way, getting them embarrassed in public, pulling their leg.

Jan


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4999 times:
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Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
I was just wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women

I have a good friend who is gay and he is a tug boat captain and railroad drawbridge operator. Those jobs are anything, but stereotypical gay jobs.

I had a gay professor in a post graduate class, he taught special education courses. Prior to that he had been director of special education in a school district.

I used to work in an auto service facility with a couple of lesbians. Those two were very butch and a couple of good mechanics.



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User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11586 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

On the subject of non-stereotypical gay workers, which sport will be the first to have openly gay players? I think either hockey or American football. I think basketball would be last.


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User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

I'm gay and planning to go into IT consultancy/something in IT in like 4 years time :')

User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 17):
On the subject of non-stereotypical gay workers, which sport will be the first to have openly gay players? I think either hockey or American football. I think basketball would be last.

I'm assuming you mean in America? There are already several out LGBT men and women sports players all over the world, including a female American basketball Olympian (among several others I'm sure. I just did a quick google).


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4913 times:
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Quoting seb146 (Reply 17):
which sport will be the first to have openly gay players

pro tennis?

Martina Navratilova came out of the closet in 1981.



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User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11586 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 19):
There are already several out LGBT men and women sports players all over the world, including a female American basketball Olympian

Yes. In The States it is not as accepted as in Europe. I think the most fameous one would be Martina Navratalova. I think there are some female golfers as well. But, gay men in professional sports? Just like gay male singers: not popular. How many hits have Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin and Lance Bass had since they came out?



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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
Just like gay male singers: not popular. How many hits have Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin and Lance Bass had since they came out?

Male singers of note recently: Frank Ocean, Edward Droste of Grizzly Bear, Rostam Batmanglij of Vampire Weekend, Sam Sparro, Mika, Jake Shears of the Scissor Sisters, Jonsi of Sigur Ros, Rufus Wainwright, Adam Lambert, and Elton John are all out, and quite relevant in today's music scene - just from a quick google. I'm sure there are dozens more we know about, and even more that choose to keep quiet.

Gay people are, after all, just people. Some people are out, but not in-your-face about it. I don't go flaunting it to people, and most wouldn't know I am without my telling them. It's nobody's business but those who I choose to let know.


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4896 times:
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Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin

You could say the same about many of their straight contemporaries. A lot of artists don't have a lot of staying power. I can think of a lot of bands/artists that were once chart toppers, but now they would be a stumper on the "dead or alive" game.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
Just like gay male singers: not popular.

The Village People were very popular and pretty much everyone knew they were Gay. When I was kid my parents had some village people records in their collection and my dad once told me "they are pretty good for a bunch of queers" I didn't even know what that meant back then.

[Edited 2012-12-25 14:24:33]


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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for all the info. I think I really learnt a lot which is good. Plus it is inspiring me to get off my / and get a job!

Many thanks.


User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11586 posts, RR: 15
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 23):
You could say the same about many of their straight contemporaries.

But once a man comes out as gay is when his career takes a dive. Straight men take a dive either because they are flash-in-the-pan or their follow-up album is not what the public expected. There is a huge difference, from what I have noticed.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 22):
Gay people are, after all, just people.

But, not as accepted in the United States as in Europe.



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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 21):
How many hits have Clay Aiken and Ricky Martin and Lance Bass had since they came out?

How many hits did they have in the YEARS prior to their coming out? For the record, Lance Bass has never worked as a solo artist. And let's be real...Clay Aiken?? One hit wonder to begin with, who got a ton of attention because he was obviously gay. People quickly forgot about him once there was no point in gossiping about it.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 25):
But, not as accepted in the United States as in Europe.

Europe is a big place. As is the United States. Such a broad stroke is unwise.


Anyway, I worked as a chemist for several years. Chances are you have a product in your house that if its datecode falls within a certain range, I signed off on it, personally.
Now I am in the medical field.


User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Hi!

Not to go completely off topic but regarding the gay musicians (the famous ones) I agree it's kinda hard to market a guy to teenage girls or even girls in their twenties when he is gay! (or out of whatever). But to me Eltn John has written some great tunes and I really liked George Michael's album "Older" (which I think was released after he came out). Plus his single "outside" about being arrested I thought was not just funny bur also a really nice pop tune!

I think good music sells whatever which is why maybe so many "minorities" or people less accepted by society or whatever have ended up selling music for a living!

Many thanks!


User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11586 posts, RR: 15
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 26):
who got a ton of attention because he was obviously gay. People quickly forgot about him once there was no point in gossiping about it.

Which is probably why Tom Cruise and John Travolta never came out: it would devistate their careers!

No, Lance Bass never had a solo career. Now, he is a two-bit host on a dark corner of sattelite radio and the main reason the best boy band of the 1990s is never getting back together.

He was never my favorite anyway.

There are plenty of gay male singers and actors who are really very good but can't get ahead because they are out. Much like the many gay politicians who can not be elected to federal office because they are out. It is not as accepted in USA as it is in Europe or Canada.



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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 25):
But once a man comes out as gay is when his career takes a dive. Straight men take a dive either because they are flash-in-the-pan or their follow-up album is not what the public expected.

And did you happen to notice the nice sized list I posted of the ones that are doing just fine? Just because they're not top 40 doesn't mean that they're not popular. Take a look at some of the bands on the iTunes top downloads. Lots of LGBT talent that aren't one hit wonders - again, many I've already illustrated to disprove your statement.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Quoting Ps762 (Reply 27):
Not to go completely off topic but regarding the gay musicians (the famous ones) I agree it's kinda hard to market a guy to teenage girls or even girls in their twenties when he is gay! (or out of whatever). But to me Eltn John has written some great tunes and I really liked George Michael's album "Older" (which I think was released after he came out). Plus his single "outside" about being arrested I thought was not just funny bur also a really nice pop tune!

I think good music sells whatever which is why maybe so many "minorities" or people less accepted by society or whatever have ended up selling music for a living!

You are right, I think the key thing is always the audience you are selling to. Just like when a group comes out with that album that "really expresses what we really are!" that tanks completely because it is not what the fans thought of for the group (or liked personally) or the artist that crosses over to another genre and bombs. The has to be an audience and if straight Christian women are your audience or tweeny boppers and you come out as gay or Country then you will have a problem and you can not lay it totally on your audience. You have to either live up to their expectation or be ready to craft a new audience. And a good artist will get a new audience while a mediocre one will struggle or fail.

Tugg



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):

At least in the states, Gay politicians (usually in the closet and many are Republican!)   

A gay Sumo wrestler who looks and acts like the hippo sized Sumo Wrestler on Hawaii 5-0!

A couple Lesbian Cheerleaders on various NFL teams. Lesbian, and hot fem Hooter's Girls.



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User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the replies. On the gay music thing I recently ordered a CD by a guy I once kinda worked with. I paid like 40 dollars for it too as it is kinda not made any more I think. But it sounded really good. Back when I knew him I had no idea he was making really good music which sounds like Depeche Mode but different. I just thought him and a friend had a little electropop group to waste time messing around with their bosses synths. Plus I had no idea he was gay, he seem more like a scary New Yorker straight guy to me (for lack of a better term sorry).

Many thanks!


User currently onlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2285 posts, RR: 7
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

Gaahl is gay. That was a surprise for most of his fans.

If you don't know who he is, just search for him on Google Images.


User currently offlinesteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1381 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

Let's see...
I am gay and I work in logistics and production planning for a big chemical company.
My boyfriend is a psychotherapist
My best friends work as male nurses, office employees, press office of a tv channel, purser for LH, sales assistant in a shop, strategic consultant in a finance company, IT engineer, medical doctor and many more.
So, quite a mix of different professions.
Sometimes u get to do the job u find and u can't always follow your dreams or aspirations.
This is true regardless if you're gay or straight


User currently offlinePs762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Hi!

Many thanks for the replies. Interesting to read. Makes me really think I need a job!

Quoting steman (Reply 34):
Sometimes u get to do the job u find and u can't always follow your dreams or aspirations.
This is true regardless if you're gay or straight

I think this is very true. I think on TV you normally only see programs about the people who "follow their dreams" etc. and achieve great success. But for most of us (me at least) we just kinda meander through doing what we can!

Many thanks!


User currently offlineextspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

I'm a microbiologist and my boyfriend is a virologist. Unfortunately, we don't really have any other proper-job gays in our groups of friends - between all of them, they are either unemployed or work in a low end retail job. Some of them really do shatter the idea that all homosexuals are intelligent... The addage is obviously untrue, but it is one of the few positive assumptions people could take from TV/pop culture about the community.


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User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11586 posts, RR: 15
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 29):
And did you happen to notice the nice sized list I posted of the ones that are doing just fine

Right. Adam Lambert is not that popular and Elton John... well... let's face it: we all knew even before he officially came out. Not all of us care about iTunes. I don't subscribe to it. I listen to sattelite radio and have never heard of any of the others. Save one song by Scissor Sisters. I could tell just by listening that he is.

My point still stands: on terrestrial radio and pop charts, gay male artists are not popular after they come out.



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User currently offlineseven3seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 318 posts, RR: 23
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

I dont know what it is exactly about this thread I find demeaning. I know youre actually being supportive but gay people can hold any job they set their mind to. Is it actually a shocker they can be successful when so many closed minded people made it difficult for them to get far in their career?

As time goes on and stereotypes are less reinforced, it won't be.

Sincerely,
The gay airline captain



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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 37):
My point still stands: on terrestrial radio and pop charts, gay male artists are not popular after they come out.

Several of those bands are on terrestrial radio. Whether you subscribe to it or not, iTunes can and does influence what gets put onto the radio - but let's not bring facts into this or anything. "Top 40" means less now than ever before.
And for the record - Lance Bass coming out had zero to do with the "best boy band of the 90s" not getting back together. That's absolutely ridiculous. They're not boys anymore - that's why. Nobody wants to see a bunch of 30-somethings dancing to pop music. It's like going to a concert with your parents.


User currently offlinejamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

I work in mineral exploration; it is not exactly a stereotypically gay job.

Some fields gay friends of mine work in: software development (a lot), marketing research, printing/publishing, urban planning, banking, insurance, education, bicycle repair... in fact, I may be an anomaly in that I don't think a single person in my group of friends is both gay and holds a stereotypically 'gay job'.


User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Accountants. I am going to call them as punching below their weight in terms of gay representation.

User currently offlinebookishaviator From Australia, joined Jun 2009, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

I work for a large insurance company (but don't hold that against me). Sometimes it seems the place is full of gay men.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

The mayor of Paris is gay.

What is most surprising is not that he's gay but that it's a known fact, since our politicians are usually shy about their private life, and we don't care about it either. So there are probably many gay politicians, not in the closet or anything, but it's just not commonly known. And even in the most backwards part of the country it would be foolish for a political opponent to try to use it in an election.



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User currently onlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3617 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

My wife and I were discussing this morning that the only two male teachers in our local school both dress in pink.

We are wondering what message that is sending to children.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 43):
The mayor of Paris is gay.

So is the current mayor of Berlin and the current german foreign minister (plus the former mayor of Hamburg), without any significant excitement about that.

I myself am in IT development (hardware and software) and I'm a lot more interested in FPGA design than in interior design.

The whole idea of "stereotypical jobs" is stupid – it says a lot more about the idiocy of stereotypes in the first place and about the people who can't think beyond them than about actual gay people, who are simply people, as diverse as everybody else.

Stereotypical assumptions are the main problem there.


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

I'm a big ol' flaming queen....but I'm in Tech Ops at my airline (no I'm not a technician, but I am still in the department getting dirty when I can LOL). It's still quite the "straight man's world" in Tech Ops.

I seem to have a little more fun getting dirty than the straight ones though  



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User currently offlinetootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4221 times:
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Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 41):
Accountants. I am going to call them as punching below their weight in terms of gay representation.

I'm an accountant. We are very into the double entry method. I work hard, so I can play hard!

Cheers


User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 44):

So what was your conclusion?


User currently offlineseven3seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 318 posts, RR: 23
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 44):
My wife and I were discussing this morning that the only two male teachers in our local school both dress in pink.

We are wondering what message that is sending to children.

Im guessing your kids couldnt care less, but Im sure they are getting the message from you that its wrong. You're more worried about the color of the teachers' shirts than your children receiving a quality caring education.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

I'm a bit offended by the topic. Gay people work everywhere. I really don't get this type of questioning.

10% or more of the population is GBLTQ. They're EVERYWHERE.



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User currently offlinebaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4130 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 50):

I don't think there's any reason to be offended here - the OP is merely trying to say that often gay people are portrayed as having jobs such as being an FA or a dancer or other such stereotypical professions, and was wondering if there are some real life examples of those who perhaps have a stereotypically straight job (eg. As a car mechanic). So, in essence, the OP is not being offensive at all, but is probably more akin to your point of view.

Now the morality of the existence of such stereotypical 'gay" and 'straight' jobs is something completely different  


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 8
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting baguy (Reply 51):
Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 50):

I don't think there's any reason to be offended here - the OP is merely trying to say that often gay people are portrayed as having jobs such as being an FA or a dancer or other such stereotypical professions, and was wondering if there are some real life examples of those who perhaps have a stereotypically straight job (eg. As a car mechanic). So, in essence, the OP is not being offensive at all, but is probably more akin to your point of view.

Now the morality of the existence of such stereotypical 'gay" and 'straight' jobs is something completely different  

See. This topic is complex and a bit ridiculous in my opinion. I do not want to delegitimize the OP's question or make them feel untoward. But so what if popular images of gay persons working are stereotypical. There are other forces at work. Media is a big one, so is society, so are cultural norms in professions, so are gay people themselves.

There's a HELL of a lot of gay men working as political nonsensicos in Washington DC. Are they "stereotypical" dancers, theatre actors, artists, nurses, stylists, whatever? And I love all of those I just listed more than the nonsensicos.

Sometimes society WANTS to see gay people as working in "stereotypical" jobs. I fight this. Maybe because part of my business is in creative industry.

Gay people are office workers, lawyers, doctors, plumbers, electricians, in government, engineers, police officers, firemen, teachers, waiters, real estate agents, roughnecks, blue collar, white collar, platinum collar (like me LOL), finance, whatever.

Like some other people said, most gay persons work in "non-stereotypical jobs" for their definitive sector. I'm sorry if I offend anyone by getting "offended" by that. It's like saying Asians work these jobs, or Native Amerians work these, or blacks, or whites, or Hispanics work those jobs... Since when was that relevant or necessary to classify people.



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User currently onlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3617 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 48):
So what was your conclusion?

That the school, with it's severe liberal ideals is short-changing the children with it's lack of diversity in the teaching staff.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 50):
10% or more of the population is GBLTQ. They're EVERYWHERE.

10% claim to have had a homosexual experience, ~3+% are practicing at any given time.


User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11586 posts, RR: 15
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Quoting panam330 (Reply 39):
Lance Bass coming out had zero to do with the "best boy band of the 90s" not getting back together. That's absolutely ridiculous. They're not boys anymore - that's why. Nobody wants to see a bunch of 30-somethings dancing to pop music.

The way I remember it: Between them and BSB, there was talk of both of them getting back together for one more album and tour each. Then Lance Bass came out and, all of a sudden, the other four were up to their eyeballs in other projects.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 39):
Several of those bands are on terrestrial radio.

SiriusXM carries Z100 from both New York and LA and a lite FM station from New York as well. And several top-40 channels. Which, I agree, means nothing anymore. I detest Taylor Swift. Imagine Dragons and fun. are starting to work my nerve too.

The point is: I don't hear the singers that were pointed out. But, listening to one channel for two hours would probably not do it?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25142 posts, RR: 85
Reply 55, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4067 times:
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Quoting mham001 (Reply 44):
My wife and I were discussing this morning that the only two male teachers in our local school both dress in pink.

But they don't all wear pink. I thought we'd moved on from that concept.

I know a number of men who - queer - deliberately put themselves in tough and even dangerous situations, partly, I guess, to prove they can cope.

I have. in 1981 I deliberately put myself in a small war one on the Kenya/Uganda border and came very close to being shot by some over-excited teenage soldiers at a remote check point.

I didn't do it to prove how butch I am, but that was a side effect. I discovered that I had also joined a very small club of Africa hands, some of them gay, who have had a similar experience and felt the absolute euphoria of survival. It so amazing (I yearn to have it again) that it can become addictive. The trouble is, it can't be faked.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 53):
10% claim to have had a homosexual experience, ~3+% are practicing at any given time.

Then again, of the men Kinsey studied, 37% claimed at least one homosexual experience.

I don't know how anyone knows, because a very large number of men are not going to admit it, or will deny it, even to themselves.

mariner



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3769 posts, RR: 13
Reply 56, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 44):
My wife and I were discussing this morning that the only two male teachers in our local school both dress in pink.

We are wondering what message that is sending to children.

You believe dressing in pink means they're gay? Is a woman who dresses in blue automatically a lesbian?

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7286 posts, RR: 5
Reply 57, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

so to summarise gay people can be pretty much anything they want to be, who would have thought that?

User currently offlineGlobalMoose From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Surprised it took until Reply 58, especially for airliners.net - Pilot!

I know there are a whole slew of us driving jets all over the world.

To make it even more non-stereotypical, military pilots!



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User currently offline777222LR From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 134 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

I'm an operations manager for a large Medical Group. Do a lot of advertising contracts, property management, and public relations management. Is that stereotypical? No. The only reason why you see so many people in fashion/hair/design, etc., is because those are the people you are looking for. So many gays in so many industries, and as it becomes more and more socially acceptable to be gay, you'll find that we are everywhere, in every profession.

All black men are not basketball players.


User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 9
Reply 60, posted (1 year 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 54):
I detest Taylor Swift.

   This.

I hear the bands I listed on local radio stations in central NY (during holidays and whatnot) and in central Florida (where I go to school). Could just be a regional thing - who knows.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19568 posts, RR: 58
Reply 61, posted (1 year 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Quoting kiwirob (Reply 57):
so to summarise gay people can be pretty much anything they want to be, who would have thought that?

30 years ago, few people would have thought that.

How far we've come.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25142 posts, RR: 85
Reply 62, posted (1 year 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 3671 times:
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Quoting mham001 (Reply 44):
My wife and I were discussing this morning that the only two male teachers in our local school both dress in pink.

We are wondering what message that is sending to children.

That they're very old-fashioned? This pink/blue concept is relatively modern. Here's this, from 1918:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-c...-Did-Girls-Start-Wearing-Pink.html

"For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, “The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.”

And 1927:

In 1927, Time magazine printed a chart showing sex-appropriate colors for girls and boys according to leading U.S. stores. In Boston, Filene’s told parents to dress boys in pink. So did Best & Co. in New York City, Halle’s in Cleveland and Marshall Field in Chicago.

Today’s color dictate wasn’t established until the 1940s, as a result of Americans’ preferences as interpreted by manufacturers and retailers. “It could have gone the other way,” Paoletti says."[/i]

It's all just fashion.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 61):
30 years ago, few people would have thought that.

How far we've come

While I absolutely take - and agree with - your point, I'd just like to make the case that thirty - or fifty - years ago, we weren't all chorus boys and hair dressers.

We were there, present in every profession, in every part of society.

mariner



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User currently offlinekiwirob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7286 posts, RR: 5
Reply 63, posted (1 year 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 62):
"For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, “The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.”

I'm happy that this flipped over.


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3569 times:
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Quoting Aesma (Reply 43):
What is most surprising is not that he's gay but that it's a known fact, since our politicians are usually shy about their private life, and we don't care about it either. So there are probably many gay politicians, not in the closet or anything, but it's just not commonly known. And even in the most backwards part of the country it would be foolish for a political opponent to try to use it in an election

Not everyone doesn't care.... I remember reading about this in ten years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/07/wo...being-stabbed-during-festival.html



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Perceptions are changing, maybe too slowly, but changing all the same. A few years ago, who would have guess there would be openly gay people in primetime shows, in elected office and legally married?

I know...things are not equal everywhere but they never are. There are lots of places in the world, and in the civilized west, where it would be dangerous for me, (a white male), to walk alone...merely because of my skin colour.

Don't ask/don't tell was one of the most idiotic laws ever and getting that repealed was a huge milestone...in my opinion.

Social change happens slowly because society evolves slowly...in every aspect. Most people don't like change...it scares them, and when people are scared, they gravitate to what they know...even if that is less than equitable for all.

In many places, gay people openly displaying affection is as boring as straight people openly displaying affection...and that's the way it should be everywhere and eventually it will be.



What the...?
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting Ps762 (Thread starter):
wondering what experience people had in the real World with jobs done by gay men and women.

In Zürich the city-president is a women who is known to be lesbian and people know her (female) partner. The lady most likely will be RE-elected when her first term is over, as she is widely respect and quite popular.


User currently offlinediesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 65):
Perceptions are changing

Indeed they are.

Though it was hardly a secret, Gareth Thomas, former Welsh Rugby Union (and League) team captain came out whilst still playing professionally - one of very few gay male sportsmen in the UK, particularly in team games.



He has justifiably won many plaudits for coming out



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting diesel1 (Reply 67):

It will be so refreshing when coming out is met with abject boredom instead of headlines.



What the...?
User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25142 posts, RR: 85
Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3294 times:
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Quoting diesel1 (Reply 67):
He has justifiably won many plaudits for coming out

And an invite to the Royal Wedding (not for coming out, but after he did):

http://outsports.com/jocktalkblog/20...prince-william-and-kate-middleton/

"The royal wedding is today and Gareth Thomas is on the guest list. He knows Prince William from William’s role as vice patron of the Welsh Rugby Union."

And this year he is appearing in Dancing on Ice 2013 - he jokes about the sparkly costumes:

http://tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv/dan...ving-the-sparkles-and-glitter.html

"Dancing On Ice 2013: Gareth Thomas is loving the sparkles and glitter!

Speaking at yesterday’s Dancing On Ice press launch, Gareth said: “My teammates haven’t seen my sparkles yet but I’m waiting for texts tomorrow.

“I’m learning to embrace the sparkles."


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[Edited 2013-01-04 18:26:51]


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User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

I'm a travel agent. Is that stereotypical?  


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