Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1868 times:
Was just wondering if there were any other people who were into home studios or amatuer musicians or anything. Having spent time doing a bunch of other stuff like playing flightsim 10 hours a day and trying very badly to become a pilot for Ryanir I have been kinda doing my old hobby of fooling around with synths and stuff recently.
I was just wondering if anyone esle does this kinda stuff. I am lucky to still have my old synths from when I was young like a Roland D-5 and Yamaha Sy-85. Plus my old Fostex 4-track tape recorder. I used to use Steinberg Cubase but have found a lot of cool old sequencers and stuff free online now like Cakwalk. I used to read magazines like Keyboard in the US and SoundonSound from UK a lot and still have some old issues which is good. Plus my brother left a couple of mics here and a friend a Fostex 8-track hard disk thing and we have a piano so I have been having a lot of fun trying to get piano sounds and stuff.
So does anyone else do this or even like to share the music they have made. This no X-factor or pop idol or anything. Whatever is fine. I am happy to listen to anything. I will save posting my own stuff to save people the pain though!
Also I used to play in school in some jazz bands and stuff which was fun. We were pretty bad! But we played some cool places like our local Holiday Inn and a Pizza restaurant in London once. Good times!
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13602 posts, RR: 63 Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1844 times:
Well, I´ve been fooling around with the five string banjo for 25 years and taught myself somehow to play the guitar (plus doing some blues harmonica, tapping a washboard and blowing the jug). And a few weeks ago I dioscovered that a good friend of mine, whom I knew for years through aviation, is not just a very good guitarist, but also likes the same type of music as I do: early Jazz, Blues, oldtimey folk music from the Britain, Ireland and and the US plus some Latin American and Caribean stuff thrown in.
Add to this some more friends of his: an American professional guitar teacher, who lives here in Germany, a guy who knows how to play the harmonica blues style and also does percussions and one of my friend´s cousins, a young woman, who likes to sing. We also try to convince her to play the saxophone, which she played as a teenager, but she is a bit shy.
We had a few jam sessions in the local village pub (the first time that I have been playing with other people since I was 22. You get terribly stagnant if you don´t play with others!) plus a few more rehearsals added and it looks as if we are going to form an oldtime skiffle / jug band.
The two pros of our group are already talking about booking us some gigs, so that we will be forced to stay focused on practising.
I also bought myself a violin a few weeks ago and I´m now busy teaching myself how to fiddle.
vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9018 posts, RR: 28 Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1831 times:
I play guitar, bass, drums, some piano (took lessons when I was young), and some trumpet (played from 5th thru 12th grade). Been in a few bands here and there, playing drums, bass, or guitar. Recorded a bunch of stuff on my own - some originals and some covers. I'm not particularly good at the recording/engineering side of it, don't have the proper equipment to record well (especially drums), and really don't have the urge to learn all about that anymore.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1827 times:
Many thanks. Some cool music to read about and interesting ideas. Parrt of me always wanted to work in a recording stufio as an engineer or something but these days I don't think there are even many recording studios to work at any more.
To be honest though I do prefer listening to music more than playing it especially as when I play I tend to play the same things over and over and over! It was a really nice way to grow up though.
Anyway if anyone ever feels like posting their tunes they are welcome.
Good stuff man. Don't consider this hobby for "nerds". It is a well respected craft.
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1): Well, I´ve been fooling around with the five string banjo for 25 years and taught myself somehow to play the guitar (plus doing some blues harmonica, tapping a washboard and blowing the jug).
I'd like to hear some of your material. I like that kind of stuff.
Quoting Ps762 (Reply 3): Parrt of me always wanted to work in a recording stufio as an engineer or something but these days I don't think there are even many recording studios to work at any more.
I'm surprised to see so many great recording studios have closed their doors. We've lost Le Studio, The Record Plant, Different Fur, Caribou Ranch, Ridge Farm studios and we almost lost Abbey Road Studio but luckily the British government stepped in and listed the place as a historical landmark to save it from demolition.
The only recording studio grade equipment I own is a TEAC A3340-S 4-channel reel to reel tape deck.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13602 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 4): Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
Well, I´ve been fooling around with the five string banjo for 25 years and taught myself somehow to play the guitar (plus doing some blues harmonica, tapping a washboard and blowing the jug).
I'd like to hear some of your material. I like that kind of stuff.
Fortunately we don´t have anything recorded yet, we are still much too bad, but this will change with more practise. But we get a lot of our material from e.g. the Memphis Jug Band or Gus Cannon´s Jug Stompers.
Basically it is poor man´s Jazz from the 1920s, the music of the poorer Blacks (and some Whites), who could not afford the traditional Jazz instruments, but still wanted to make music and have some fun on saturday night.
So the trumpet gets replaced by a mouth harp and the saxophone by a kazoo, the sousaphone gets replaced by a jug and the drum set gets replaced by a washboard embellished with what can be found on a farm or in the kitchen to create additional percussion sounds (cowbell, woodblock, tin pots etc.).
Good stuff. That is amazing that they were able to get great sounds from non musical instruments and I like to see people keep that art form alive today.
A bit off topic, there was a band based in San Francisco about 15 years ago called Idiot Flesh and they made their own instruments and made all sorts of weird ambient sounds. They had 1 guitar player and the rest was random objects such as a garage door opener spring, wine glasses played with a bow and all other weird stuff. Lots of theatrics as well. There were about 5 musicians and about 15 others that were part of their show. They were amazing in concert. Sadly they are no longer around.
I had toyed around recording a friend of mine years ago who would later go insane and is schizophrenic. He is a classically trained guitarist that also played metal. I had recorded some of his evil sounding guitar riffs in quadraphonic sound. He had a Tascam 4-track recorder and mixed in 3 layers of guitar, I played the bass lines and he also added the drum machine tracks. Then record the 4 separate tracks on to my Teac reel to reel recorder and again on to my Technics quadraphonic 8track tape recorder. Then drive up to the mountains and listen to the tracks in my car in quadraphonic sound and get stoned.
Ps762 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2012, 102 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1796 times:
Many thanks all for the info and stuff. It is nice to see some people still into this kinda stuff today (I guess it is us not of the X-factor/American Idol generation!). In some ways I think we are or were at a lucky time in that a lot of home studio hardware became cheaper in price and more afforable over the last 20 years or so. I put this down largely to the Japanese however that is probably not entirely true.
Regarding skiffle? That does sound like an interesting kinda music to play with those kind of instruments. I think getting a good sound out of stuff like that takes real talent and skill. I hope you enjoy it as it sounds like quite fun (although probably way beyond my still level).
Also about the 4-track quadrophinic thing it is cool that you can remember exactly how you recorded something even though it was a long time ago probably. I have never even tried quadrophonic mixing or playback. I think quite a few people were more into that with home cinemas and stuff when I was growing up. I am sorry about your friend though and hope he gets better. I have been "analysed" a few times for mental illness etc. and they always ask me about weed when it comes to the psychotic stuff. I never really smoked as the couple of times I did I generally lost my mind for 6-8 hours! So never again! But I know people or a person who is diagnosed schizoephrenic and whilst some do end up in hospitals for long long parts of their life some do get back to their families and stuff. I hope he is happy anyway.
Regarding studios I have heard a lot of the famous ones in London and the UK closed down, I think mainly the ones owned or who did a lot of business with the big record labels like Townhouse in London. I have actually been inside Air Studios in Hampstead a couple of times where they record a lot of Hollywood film scores (the few they don't do in LA) and it is really really nice. It's more for people like Hans Zimmer and Coldplay though! I did read also that Peter Gabriel's Real World studios is still doing ok and in fact a jazz fusion CD I recently got was recorded there I think (or maybe not).
Anyway many thanks for the info and of course any more stories or even music or clips is welcome.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39431 posts, RR: 76 Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1723 times:
Quoting Ps762 (Reply 7): In some ways I think we are or were at a lucky time in that a lot of home studio hardware became cheaper in price and more afforable over the last 20 years or so.
In someways, we're unlucky because it allowed a lot of non-talented 'artist' to be passed off and promoted as 'entertainment'. Hence why so much music over the past 20 years really suck.
Quoting Ps762 (Reply 7): it is cool that you can remember exactly how you recorded something even though it was a long time ago probably.
That is what I grew up using so it was pretty easy to set record levels, making sure the loudest signal output just goes to the beginning of the red zone, cleaning tape heads & capstans, demagnetizing the heads, calibrating Dolby noise reduction, selecting different tape grades, making sure you have enough tape for the duration of the recording.
Simple stuff like that.
Quadraphonic is pretty easy - just 2 more knobs to work with over stereo.
My Teac reel to reel deck came with a demonstration LP record to teach you how to use the multi-track sinc feature and how to set the record levels.
Here are a few advertisements of my deck when it was new. I find it surprising that they're boasting about this tape deck being inexpensive when it cost $4500 brand new back in 1978.
This was not a poorman's hobby back then.
Typical home recording studio about 35 years ago.
Quoting Ps762 (Reply 7): I am sorry about your friend though and hope he gets better.
I hope so too but I doubt it. He was pretty far gone when I last spoke to him 12 years ago. He made local news by running in to a Catholic Church during Sunday Mass totally naked.
I spoke to a cousin of his 3 years ago and she says that he is in a mental hospital now.
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2247 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1695 times:
Quoting Ps762 (Reply 7): Regarding skiffle? That does sound like an interesting kinda music to play with those kind of instruments
Skiffle was how the Beatles started and also the Animals and a lesser extent even the Stones.
I have played piano for as long as I can remember, my mom says I was 4. I still have my keyboard and also an accordion, but very long story short, while I still play at home now and then, or for friends when they come round (or the odd xmas party if there happens to be a piano...!!) I found playing in public takes you down a whole different lifestyle road and while on the surface it all appeared pretty awesome, I decided I wanted a long healthy life and stable relationship, so didnt pursue it.
I do sometimes wonder what could have been but no regrets really.
As an aside, some of the new keyboards with all the backing tracks downloadable from a direct wifi link, voice inputs and all sorts of marvellous stuff (while cheating IMO as a computer replaces the talent of actually making the melody yourself...) you can make a pretty awesome authentic sound without any extra synthisizers and studio equipment from even 10 years ago.
stealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5550 posts, RR: 47 Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1668 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 11): What other brands did you sale?
Did you sale any Marantz or Luxman products?
Certainly sold Marantz, no Luxman(the distributor at that time had their own retail store) lots of Pioneer, Technics, Kenwood and AKAI. Also sold Bose and Revox along with various speaker lines like JBL, AR with some KEF and Monitor Audio.
Much of the business back then comprised console stereo(and quad) and entry level component systems although the 2 branches I worked at tried to focus on higher end systems.
Funny thing is the TEAC A-450 I bought earlier this year is in better condition than the 2nd hand one I blew all my 21st birthday cash on was in 1977.
Damn I wish I kept the Linn Sondek LP-12 turntable I had back then!
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
Was this in Australia or in the US or another country?
Quoting stealthz (Reply 12): Certainly sold Marantz, no Luxman(the distributor at that time had their own retail store) lots of Pioneer, Technics, Kenwood and AKAI. Also sold Bose and Revox along with various speaker lines like JBL, AR with some KEF and Monitor Audio.
All good stuff!
The Linn Sondek LP-12 turntable you had is still talked about today in audio circles. The one turntable I regret selling was my Luxman PD-444.
Did your store also sale the Akai CR-80D-SS?
It's the highly sought after quadraphonic 8track recorder with a glass playback head that reaches 16,000Hz.
That was a very high frequency response for an 8track player.
Did your store sale or give away test records and tapes? There seems to be a glut of some really cool sample records and tapes of Enoch Light and the Brass Managerie and Enoch Light and the Light Brigade.
I'd like to find a broken Akai quad deck with the glass head and replace the head that is in the Motorola 8track player in my car. They sound better.
Here is a cool website. I particularly like the Marantz gallery.
A couple, funny thing in Aus. 8-track never really took off, maybe because by the time cars had stereos the Japanaese were dominant and cassette decks were the go and Quadraphonic never really took off here.
In the mid '70s, sold a couple of pretty big Quad system but they were certainly in the minority.
Funny thing, I am in the market for a decent stereo amp with phono and multiple tape connections... my Nakamichi Amplifier2 has an intermittant dropout issue in the tape circuitry.. thought it was the TEAC A-3300SX but no it is the amp, upside of that is new amps are still buyable.. finding decent tape decks is getting harder!
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
ALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1184 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1498 times:
I have a few instruments I record from time to time, including a variation of the typical bagpipe most people think of (called the Shuttle Pipe), as well as a theremin. Next up is an accordion. My weekend life often consists of running live sound for various bands and shows. I haven't ever mixed a real recording, but I've run live sound for a few mid-sized acts and names.
My "home studio" consists of the Tascam US-2000 interface and a Mackie board, plus some nice speakers and powered amps. Nothing too fancy.
The above post is my opinion. Don't like it? Don't read it.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39431 posts, RR: 76 Reply 18, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1468 times:
Quoting stealthz (Reply 17): It was certainly available here but not really a big thing, consumer grade console type systems had a certain success but never really took hold amongst "Hi-Fi" listeners.
Sounds about right. Same in the US and elsewhere. As you said, there were many consumer grade console type systems that sold in large numbers but only a few Hi-Fi systems were made. Today, everyone wants the few Hi-Fi systems that were made. I was lucky to snatch up my Marantz 4400 in 1996 for only $350 before ebay started. Now those things sale for over $1000 and would probably cost another $1000 for shipping because they weight a ton.
Sansui, Kenwood, Onkyo and Harmon Kardon had their own quadraphonic receivers but that was about it.
The 4-channel reel-to-reel decks always go for a lot on ebay (usually in the $700 range) and even the two Hi-Fi quadraphonic 8track recorders (Akai and Technics) go for about $300 today.