seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 14146 posts, RR: 14 Posted (3 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
I am in school. Junior College and I just switched my major to business because I don't have the money to continue in architecture. I took one architecture class. I was never expecting an A. With my English skills, I was expecting a D at best. I got an F. An F. I want to break stuff. And people. An F. I know I didn't do that well, but an F? I tried. I made an effort. I wrote papers knowing English composition was not my strong suit and drew stuff knowing that I could not draw. I am so p*ssed off right now.
einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 4852 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
Quoting AR385 (Reply 1): Quoting seb146 (Thread starter):
I tried. I made an effort. I wrote papers knowing English composition was not my strong suit and drew stuff knowing that I could not draw.
Chill. That is the important stuff. As long as you are happy with the effort you made, then a grade is just a mark on paper.
I have to be realistic here, but for the part I put in bold, that's good if you get a low but passing grade. My calculus course was divided into three courses up to a total of 11 credits (4 credits for the first two parts, 3 credits for the last one) and I got a C in the latter two ones. Of course I was disappointed, but given a calculus problem, I may be able to solve it just like an A student would.
Of course, the OP can get around the F and say "well, that course was really the one that made me realize that architecture is not for me" and no one would care about it.
Fact is sometimes we get into a major expecting something and end up disappointed. But at least you switched to plan B which is good. I've known people who get an F on their first college test and dropout altogether. Staying on and going to the end says a lot about you.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 8724 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1766 times:
I found that almost no teacher would fail a student if they met up with the teacher after class and show above-and-beyond effort to the teacher personally. The people I saw that usually failed were the ones who never spoke to the teacher except during the 1-1.5 hour block they were in class, and only when they were called upon.
I also see no problem with your English, I'm surprised to hear you have one. I'd:
1. Use ratemyprofessor.com for next semester and find an easier teacher. (hey, use every advantage to your favor!)
2. Meet with the teacher before and after many classes, and even send emails from time to time
3. Go in with some questions about a paper or advice or something--that goes far to show you really care
4. Realize you can get higher than a D, many before you with English speaking problems have gotten As
5. Pray you pass
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1722 times:
Also, you mention "English composition" specifically. That is one school subject that it has been a long time since I enjoyed, but people tell me that I'm good at it- I've aced most of my liberal arts classes that have required it, or at least come in at the high ranks. Inasmuch as I can identify tricks for liberal arts/English papers, they are these:
-Come out swinging. Usually teachers don't want to hear any more than a long sentence of scene-setting, exposition as to why what you're talking about is important, or anything like that in your introduction- they just want to read the thesis you'll be arguing in subsequent paragraphs, and what evidence you'll be using in those subsequent paragraphs to argue it. This may create an introduction paragraph that feels short, but the best places to worry about length are elsewhere. I was lucky enough to not have strict word counts for most of what I did, but it's my opinion from the feedback I've received that chasing length is only worthwhile if you can pull those extra words straight back to your main argument.
-If you have flexibility in your topic, or if it's one of those open-ended topics where you can pick almost anything, do your absolute best to pick a topic or thesis that you are interested in and comfortable researching/arguing about. This is of course a luxury but when you can do it, it makes the process much easier. I was in a class for my liberal arts requirement (in a program focused on art for entertainment media, especially digital, so take this for what it's worth) that used pre-Colombian Mexican and Central American history as a jumping-off point for I guess what you might call a sociology study focused on rebutting popular Eurocentric concepts of economic growth. The final project was extremely open-ended, basically any topic of social development related to Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America, so after clearing it with the teacher (this is an important step if you think you'll end up outside the box) I wrote about Mexicana and Pan Am and just generally patterns of airline development in emerging countries. Even when you're much more constrained, as I was in high school and we had a certain number of specific works of literature to draw from, consider what the teacher is looking for but also what you're best at saying.
WestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1971 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
I would meet with your professor to discuss your shortcomings in the course, and find out what you can do to improve. Furthermore, use the resources made available to you by your school (workshops, academic advising, etc.).
You can't let this F bring you down. People I go to university with consider me to be pretty damn smart, but most of them don't know I failed a couple courses in high school. I once finished with a 39 in high school calculus; I worked my ass off all summer to retake the credit so that it wouldn't affect my chances of getting into a good university. Then, when it came time to take university-level calculus, I worked extra hard, and ended up getting a 76. Sometimes things don't make sense the first time and you have to take a second shot and work a little harder.
Being a good student doesn't make you smart, and being smart doesn't make you a good student. I wouldn't just write-off that architecture class just yet, maybe give it another go.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4): If you expect to get a D, sounds like you're setting yourself up to fail somewhat.
Forgive the brashness of this analogy: but when I played hockey (of which fighting is a common occurrence) my coach told the team to always punch the guy behind the guy you're fighting, meaning if you aim for a close target, you're only going to hit the close target. Always aim further than you think you can achieve (an A), and then strive for it so that the B is really a concession, but still a good mark.
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 8): If you have flexibility in your topic, or if it's one of those open-ended topics where you can pick almost anything, do your absolute best to pick a topic or thesis that you are interested in and comfortable researching/arguing about. This is of course a luxury but when you can do it, it makes the process much easier.
I took an 'Italian Civilization and Culture' class as my required humanities credit ( ), but as you mention, the final major project was extremely open-ended. Seeing that I'm a business student, I wrote a lengthy paper on the Italian economic crisis, followed by my own recommendations to resolve the mitigating factors. I got the highest mark in the class. (and then bombed the final exam, which brought my mark way down...)
planeguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1315 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
As a college professor, teaching both undergraduate and graduate students here are a few words of wisdom:
1) If writing (composition, grammar, punctuation, citations, etc.) are difficult, connect with the available resources before you being any given course. There are staff members available to assist, but students need to reach out. It always amazes me how many times I connect students with resources for assistance and the near universal resistance to help.
2) Ask your instructors if s/he is willing to review assignments ahead of the due date and provide feedback. I always offer this to my students (and do the review's electronically using track changes so it makes it easier for both). In a given semester I might get one who will take me up on this. If you do take advantage of an offer like this, please do not send items for review within 48 hours of the deadline as it is difficult to provide useful assistance so close to the end of the process.
3) Take a look at the syllabus. One of the most challenging issues for faculty is students that do not check the guidance provided via the syllabus. I will concede that some of my faculty counterparts are less than detailed in a syllabus, so the issue does not allows sit with the student.
4) Read assignments out loud before submitting, preferably to someone not connected with the course. You can catch a fair number of writing errors this way.
5) Finally, recognize that sometimes the issue is with the faculty member and not the student. If you believe you have followed the assignment, used the resources, and still are potentially challenged, reach out to the department representative (including academic advisors) for assistance.
I'm also happy to provide assistance if you feel it would be helpful.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 12167 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1638 times:
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 9): I got the highest mark in the class. (and then bombed the final exam, which brought my mark way down...)
I did that once - not just year, but ever for that course (educational 1 in 5 scale model of a jet engine in detail). Then the entire exam was on a subject which the tutor said had a very slim chance of coming up, and if it did would be for one question. Thanks for my B Edexcel
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 14146 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
With all of the reading and writing I was told about at the very beginning of the term, I knew I would not get an A. Having some debates on this board and having too many of my thoughts misunderstood because I didn't know how to present them already showed me that I do poorly at English composition. I thought I would do well in architecture, but knowing what it is all about with the drawing and reading and writing, I really don't think that is my thing.
I was also upset about my algebra grade. He gave me a B. I am sure it is a high B, but still a B.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7517 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1586 times:
Quoting seb146 (Reply 12): Having some debates on this board and having too many of my thoughts misunderstood because I didn't know how to present them already showed me that I do poorly at English composition.
To be honest, your posts have never given me that impression.
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 3136 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1522 times:
I feel your pain man. I had a nice 3.0 ruined by a sculpture class. I'm all for a well rounded education. But I'm going to school for commercial aviation. That did not help enhance any of my flying skills.
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