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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Well..it is black monday in the NFL and officially so far the following coaches are out.

Bears - Lovie Smith is fired
Browns - Pat Shurmur and the GM have been fired.
Eagles - Andy Reid has been fired
Chiefs - Romeo Crennell is out, GM Scott Pioli to stay
Jets - Rex Ryan will stay, GM Mike Tannenbaum has been canned
Bills - Chan Gailey has been fired
Titans - Mike Munchak will stay, COO Mike Reinfeldt is out

That being said....we are probably not done yet. Norv Turners fate has not been announced in San Diego. Carolina will make no decisions today and neither will Jacksonville it seems. Oakland is probably going to do something. And you always wonder about Dallas and Jason Garretts future.

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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Update

Chargers - Norv Turner and AJ Smith are both out in San Diego.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

I dont see Dallas droppibg Garretts this season.......they need a new quarterback much more.


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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 1):
Chargers - Norv Turner and AJ Smith are both out in San Diego.

It's about time! It was more Smith who destroyed the team but Turner made mistakes,too. I know Turner will find s team fast like Dallas.Good luck to him.But it's Smith who I would point the finger at for the Chargers last 3 bad seasons.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
Carolina will make no decisions today and neither will Jacksonville it seems.

Jags GM Gene Smith has been fired.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...ger-gene-smith-135255784--nfl.html

Mularkey is still the head coach for now and the decision to retain him will likely be up to the new GM.

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
Browns - Pat Shurmur and the GM have been fired.

Not surprised seeing as the Browns got new ownership this year and he wants to put his mark of the team and you have to start at the top.

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
Bears - Lovie Smith is fired

Not a surprise at all seeing as it was cheaper to keep him this season and yeah it is quite surprising to fire a coach who went 10-6 this.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Not a surprise at all seeing as it was cheaper to keep him this season and yeah it is quite surprising to fire a coach who went 10-6 this.

Not at all, considering how they got there and the fact that they've been to the playoffs three years out of the nine Lovie's been there. He's a great example of a good but not quite good enough coach. Supposedly this decision was pretty well made for the better part of a month.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
Bears - Lovie Smith is fired

Made my day!!!!!  
They need a new offensive co-ordinator too. They've got to come up with a third play after "hand off to Forte, throw to Marshall.....repeat"

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
And you always wonder about Dallas and Jason Garretts future.

If anybody should be out it's Romo - he's proven yet again he can't perform when the chips are down.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 6):
They need a new offensive co-ordinator too. They've got to come up with a third play after "hand off to Forte, throw to Marshall.....repeat"

They will, but I think there's a chance that it will just be elevating Jeremy Bates to the position. It may not be a bad option if they have an offensive head coach. The Bears have apparently already been trying to arrange an interview with Denver OC Mike McCoy.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 6):
If anybody should be out it's Romo - he's proven yet again he can't perform when the chips are down.

True. I was wondering last night when the media will stop talking about Romo's struggles in big games and just concede that he isn't that good.



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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

I was going to post that the local "sports bar talk" is that Titan's owner Adams was getting tired of Mike Munchak and was entertaining a new head coach but I guess it's official as per a couple of hours ago is that Munchak stays. Apodino, you were correct on that call. I like Munchak, but then again, I liked Jeff Fisher too. Regards...jack


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User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2852 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
True. I was wondering last night when the media will stop talking about Romo's struggles in big games and just concede that he isn't that good

I am affraid there are issues at Dallas deeper than Romo.
Who could they find to replace Romo when they need their draft picks for elsewhere.
Not sure there is another RGIII out there for this years draft anyway.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
I dont see Dallas droppibg Garretts this season.......

Geez, they could always knock the barnacles off of Switzer and send him back down to Dallas to show them how to get to a few Super Bowl's again. 

Okie


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

The Cards have fired GM Rod Graves and Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt.

http://www.upi.com/Sports_News/2012/...eneral-manager/UPI-65481356983433/

It seems that many of the predicted firings have happened, but some that haven't still may occur.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 9):
I am affraid there are issues at Dallas deeper than Romo.

Yeah, specifically that Jerry Jones is incompetent as a GM and would meddle excessively with anyone he hires for the job.

Quoting okie (Reply 9):
Who could they find to replace Romo when they need their draft picks for elsewhere.

That's the trick, although I don't think Jerry Jones has the skills to find that guy.

The worst news of the day is that Jon Gruden is supposedly turning down overtures from NFL teams to remain at ESPN. I was really, really hoping that somebody would hire him to get his stupid toddler haircut and dumb, annoying "analysis" off my TV. I guess it means another year of the mute button.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
I dont see Dallas droppibg Garretts this season.......they need a new quarterback much more.

Garrett isn't going anywhere because he is Jerry's "yes man" and the Cowboys often don't have a coach who gets full control. Jerry is a terrific owner but a bad GM as he doesn't know football.

Good to great coaches like Cowher, Gruden etc. don't want the owner in the locker room and that isn't happening in Dallas.

Regarding Romo, he failed in the Clutch yet again which sucks for Dallas fans. However he is not the problem with Dallas and the only reason they were even playing to get in the playoffs this year is because he had a good year.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 6):
If anybody should be out it's Romo - he's proven yet again he can't perform when the chips are down.

Who is Dallas going to get in place provided if you were to trade him you aren't getting nearly anything equal back??

In today's NFL teams hold on to their QB's and if you release him he will be gobbled up by a team that can use Romo in their system.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
True. I was wondering last night when the media will stop talking about Romo's struggles in big games and just concede that he isn't that good.

If you put him on a team with a reasonably good defense and with an offensive coordinator that can create a system around him he would be much better.

You know where he could go and improve the situation. The Bears because he is a lot more of a play-maker than Cutler is and has a defense that can stop someone.

Romo has talent but be honest you don't think he is good because he doesn't win like Brady and Manning, but he is the only reason Dallas contended this year.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9112 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 3):
It's about time!

Whaaat? C'mon. Tell us how you really feel.  

In all seriousness, yeah, it was a matter of time before that guy went bye-bye. Same can be said about Andy Reid. I feel bad for Reid considering he lost his son before the start of the season, but he's always been subpar when it came to coaching. He actually had a good over-all regular season record, but come playoff time he could not follow through and carry the team through to the championship. He got them there once where he stumbled against Billie and the Pats...

I'm a little surprised tho with Ken Whiz. I thought Arizona had a shot this year, but maybe I'm mistaken. I really don't follow much in the way of western conference teams, to be honest. Then again, if you go years and years and finish with underperforming results, the odds are you a) have a coach who cannot coach, b) have a lousy manager, or c) a combination of the two.

With my team, it's different. I'd like to see Lebeau go, but I can understand why Tomlin seems to want to keep him around. The issue there is that they have a senior citizen defense, which is a whole other ball of wax...



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
If you put him on a team with a reasonably good defense and with an offensive coordinator that can create a system around him he would be much better.

Romo is a guy you won't win because of. He isn't like those clowns the Cardinals have trotted out there, but Romo is not a Super Bowl quarterback.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
You know where he could go and improve the situation. The Bears because he is a lot more of a play-maker than Cutler is and has a defense that can stop someone.

Hell no. Romo is not better than Cutler, and for all the mistakes Jerry Angelo made, getting Cutler was the solution to having decades of quarterbacks like Romo or worse. But, since you brought it up, I'll tell you exactly what Romo is: he's a taller Rex Grossman.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Some interesting speculation regarding who the Chargers might hire to replace Norv Turner.....

Team source: Chargers' next coaching hiring could be made with L.A. move in mind


So if they don't get a new stadium approved, they could be moving back to L.A. as soon as the 2014 season (playing a few seasons at the Rose Bowl while Farmers Field is built). They want a bigger name coach that fits in with L.A. sports.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 10):
The Cards have fired GM Rod Graves and Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt.

The least bit surprising. People here in PHX are cheering. BUT who are they going to get?



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Hell no. Romo is not better than Cutler, and for all the mistakes Jerry Angelo made, getting Cutler was the solution to having decades of quarterbacks like Romo or worse. But, since you brought it up, I'll tell you exactly what Romo is: he's a taller Rex Grossman.

  
Well said BMI727 - please for the love of all that is holy, don't EVER bring Romo to the Bears!

Quoting okie (Reply 9):
I am affraid there are issues at Dallas deeper than Romo.
Who could they find to replace Romo when they need their draft picks for elsewhere.
Not sure there is another RGIII out there for this years draft anyway.

I'll wager that the 49'ers would entertain offers for Alex Smith and ditto the Seahawks and Matt Flynn.


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3841 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
Yeah, specifically that Jerry Jones is incompetent as a GM and would meddle excessively with anyone he hires for the job.

Which is why Jerry will never get a reputable head coach--because they have backbones and refuse to kowtow to an owner who doesn't know when to stop meddling.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 6):
If anybody should be out it's Romo - he's proven yet again he can't perform when the chips are down.

He's the only reason why we were in contention this late in the season

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
but Romo is not a Super Bowl quarterback.

I'll give you that, but he's better than anyone available right now for the Cowboys.
Let's go down the list of teams whose starting qb(s) are either worse than Romo or at his level:
The Raiders
Cardinals
Chargers--Rivers is kind of like Romo--gaudy numbers, and a decent qb, but nothing to show for it.
Jacksonville
The Vikings (Ponder translates to 'Saved by Peterson')
Chicago (Cutler's a headcase)
Miami (Tannehill) and Titans (Locker) are works in progress
Carolina (Newton's looking like a headcase)
Kansas City
Cleveland
Buffalo
Philadelphia
Baltimore

Teams that might have a Romo-like qb on their hands:
The Texans, if they don't get past the first round.
Detroit (if Stafford can't rebound)


User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2401 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
Bears - Lovie Smith is fired


I'm thinking the Packers probably contributed to this. When he came to Chicago nine years ago, Smith made it clear that the NFC North title and road to the Super Bowl for the Bears ran through Green Bay and that beating the Packers was his top priority. Green Bay is currently on a 9-2 run in the series, winning the final six meetings between the two teams and the 2011 NFC Championship game at Soldier Field. Fittingly, it was the Packers who knocked the Bears out of the playoffs yesterday. Chicago hasn't seemed to have the ability to bounce back from injuries the way the Packers have in recent years. You have to give that blame/credit to their General Manager.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
They will, but I think there's a chance that it will just be elevating Jeremy Bates to the position. It may not be a bad option if they have an offensive head coach. The Bears have apparently already been trying to arrange an interview with Denver OC Mike McCoy.

Just a few suggestions as to whom the Bears should hire: Mike Martz, Mike Sherman, Wade Phillips, or Chan Gailey. Thank me later...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Romo is not better than Cutler, and for all the mistakes Jerry Angelo made, getting Cutler was the solution to having decades of quarterbacks like Romo or worse.

Jay Cutler reminds me of Jeff George, although he's not quite the cancerous presence. It seems everywhere George went he would flash early then the team degraded from the inside with division and finger pointing. Cutler has a good arm, but he seems weak in the leadership dept. And he takes reckless chances that tends to bury his team needlessly. Lovie's demise is in part to his inability to turn Snark into a leader and get him to work closely with his OC's.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 18):
Baltimore

I think he would fit well in Baltimore because a middle of the road even good QB can only win with a good/great defense and the Ravens fit that bill.

Quoting us330 (Reply 18):
I'll give you that, but he's better than anyone available right now for the Cowboys.

No and anyone with his talent level isn't giving up their QB and I don't think Jerry is dumb enough to trade for him because he will get bubcus.

Just putting it out there but does anyone put in past him to bring in Tebow just to put the spotlight on Dallas over winning.

Quoting us330 (Reply 18):
Miami (Tannehill) and Titans (Locker) are works in progress

If Miami ditches TannehillI will be pissed!!!

He was out-shadowed by three rookies this year who are superstars but he does have a future if the Phins can get someone as a deep threat on the offense.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11929 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 18):
Let's go down the list of teams whose starting qb(s) are either worse than Romo or at his level:

How does the Jets and Mark Sanchez not make that list?

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
Jets - Rex Ryan will stay, GM Mike Tannenbaum has been canned

Leaving quite a huge hole to be dug out of...



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12881 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Coaches and GM's are probably cheaper and easier than than to fire a bunch of players, especially with too many with contracts bad for fans (for example, Sanchez on the Jets). Now the circus begins as to who goes for who, some may have to wait until after the playoffs/Super Bowl for certain ones. Ought to keep the football fan sites and sports radio very busy.

User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4124 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

I don't think Lovie Smith was the biggest issue in Chicago, and I think he is a great defensive mind. The problem is that Chicago hasn't been able to get a solid guy for the Offensive side of the ball. Mike Tice was not the answer. The other problem with the offense has been some bad personnel moves. Cutler I think is a good QB and Brandon Marshall a great WR, but you don't have a great running game, and that Offensive Line needs to be revamped as that was the biggest cause of their problems this year. Getting a guy to complement Marshall would help too.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 3):
It's about time! It was more Smith who destroyed the team but Turner made mistakes,too. I know Turner will find s team fast like Dallas.Good luck to him.But it's Smith who I would point the finger at for the Chargers last 3 bad seasons.

The biggest mistake the Chargers made was years ago firing Schottenheimer and not Smith. When they hired Turner...I knew what was going to happen, and it did.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 13):

I'm a little surprised tho with Ken Whiz. I thought Arizona had a shot this year, but maybe I'm mistaken. I really don't follow much in the way of western conference teams, to be honest. Then again, if you go years and years and finish with underperforming results, the odds are you a) have a coach who cannot coach, b) have a lousy manager, or c) a combination of the two.

The Defense was rock solid this year, but Wisenhunt was awful at handling the QB situation after Warner retired. He didn't allow Leinart to develop then dumped him for other guys who were just as bad, and never really had an answer. If they had a good QB, with that defense and Larry Fitzgerald, this team could actually go places.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
I dont see Dallas droppibg Garretts this season.......they need a new quarterback much more.

I agree....but Romo has shown enough flashes of brilliance where he is probably safe. The only way Garrett gets replaced is if Jerry Jones can somehow lure Sean Payton away from New Orleans....which not only isn't likely, but would create a huge PR mess at Dallas, although that is nothing new for Jerry.

Quoting us330 (Reply 18):

I'll give you that, but he's better than anyone available right now for the Cowboys.
Let's go down the list of teams whose starting qb(s) are either worse than Romo or at his level:
The Raiders
Cardinals
Chargers--Rivers is kind of like Romo--gaudy numbers, and a decent qb, but nothing to show for it.
Jacksonville
The Vikings (Ponder translates to 'Saved by Peterson')
Chicago (Cutler's a headcase)
Miami (Tannehill) and Titans (Locker) are works in progress
Carolina (Newton's looking like a headcase)
Kansas City
Cleveland
Buffalo
Philadelphia
Baltimore

Teams that might have a Romo-like qb on their hands:
The Texans, if they don't get past the first round.
Detroit (if Stafford can't rebound)

I don't agree with this list entirely. For one thing the Jets should be on this list with Sanchez and they aren't. As for the other teams lets take a look. I agree with Oakland and Arizona. Rivers biggest problem was he had no supporting cast around him this year. Chad Henne showed some brilliance in Jacksonville, but there was no talent at all on that team. I dont agree with Ponder. Yes AP was the reason they went to the playoffs, but if you look at the rest of the team, Ponder has absolutely no weapons at WR with Harvin being hurt, and Kyle Rudolph is an average at best Tight End. Ponder doesn't make the mistakes with the football that Romo does. Cutler is a bit of a headcase, but the guy is a good player and if you get him the right offensive coach, he could be really good (Lovie's biggest problem was he couldnt find a good Offensive mind). I think Cam Newton will be a great player too...and they should be able to get him some more weapons in the offseason. KC has two QB's who should be career backups at best. Brandon Wheeden in Cleveland was only a rookie this year, so give him a bit of time. I agree with the last three. As for Matt Schaub...he needs to play better, but the defense down the stretch was the reason they lost the number 1 seed, not Schaub. As for Detroit...Matt Stafford didn't have a great year, and some of that is on him...but his big problem was there was some headcase Wide Receivers behind Calvin Johnson (Think Titus Young).


Here is what will happen with the QBs in the offseason. Alex Smith is going to be traded to somewhere where a good receiving core will help him succeed. Arizona would likely be a good place for him, especially if they can improve that Offensive Line. Only issue there is would SF trade in the division? Even though Chad Henne showed flashes of brilliance in Jacksonville, they are probably going to trade for Tebow, which would be great from a business standpoint as that would sell tickets there. Matt Flynn could be traded again, but would a team trade for him after he was brought in to start in Seattle, only to lose the job to Russell Wilson? The other thing is, who is going to be available in the draft? KC has the number one pick, and unfortunately for them, there is no Luck or RG3 in this draft. Matt Barclay may be the guy, but is he a number one pick guy?

As for the Coaching situation. You know that some teams would like a guy like Gruden or Cowher to go after, but will they coach again, or stay in TV? We could be looking at a lot of first time hires this year.


User currently offlineIllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
Bears - Lovie Smith is fired

Lovie, please take all your assistant coaches with you, except Marinelli. He is the only one who knows his job! And I hope the Bears organization is not so stupid as to put Mike Tice in as head coach. He is the biggest problem! Smith came in promising to focus on beating the Packers, and if we had even ONCE this year we'd be playing next weekend. The bad news as that the McCheapsky's are in charge of who the next coach is.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 10):
The Cards have fired GM Rod Graves and Head Coach Ken Whisenhunt.

Niners look tough...Rams have tons of top draft picks, a good coach, and solid defense...Seahawks are on the rise...And the Cards....Well, you know the story folks. They need a name change and new logo too, just change everything about this team. When people think Cardinals, they think failure.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Well I though Peyton just sign for five years with the Saints this weekend so no going to work for Jerry


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 18):
Which is why Jerry will never get a reputable head coach--because they have backbones and refuse to kowtow to an owner who doesn't know when to stop meddling.

The Cowboys will never get the big name coach, since nobody wants Jerry Jones as a boss since he can't keep his hands off. It's a bit sad, because I generally like Jerry Jones. He seems like a genuinely interesting guy, but he just cannot get out of his own way.

Quoting us330 (Reply 18):
I'll give you that, but he's better than anyone available right now for the Cowboys.

The idea is that you have to go out and find the winner. Romo isn't it, and likely never will be. The Cowboys need to get the quarterback position right if they ever want to be as good as the national media thinks they are.

Quoting us330 (Reply 18):
Chicago (Cutler's a headcase)

He's got fewer excuses than ever, but he's never had a fully professional offense in Chicago to work with. There's legitimate criticism for him, but Cutler just isn't high on the list of reasons why the Bears don't contend for a Super Bowl.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):
I'm thinking the Packers probably contributed to this. When he came to Chicago nine years ago, Smith made it clear that the NFC North title and road to the Super Bowl for the Bears ran through Green Bay and that beating the Packers was his top priority.

Lovie got fired for not winning enough games. That said, when you stand up to pander to the stupid and can't even accomplish that goal, there is a problem.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):
Mike Martz,

Martz is a certifiable dumbass. The last time the Bears hired him was because literally nobody else would take the job and the fact nobody has hired Martz since is very telling.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):
Mike Sherman, Wade Phillips, or Chan Gailey.

Has beens. And, for what it's worth, although the Bears have new leadership in Phil Emery, they have never hired a head coach with previous head coaching experience.

My wish list for who I'd like to see coach the Bears has three names on it:
Mike McCoy, offensive coordinator at Denver
Bill O'Brien, head coach at Penn State
Bruce Ariens, offensive coordinator/interim head coach at Indianapolis

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):
And he takes reckless chances that tends to bury his team needlessly.

That's why Jay played badly and the Bears lost, not "leadership." If Jay throws the ball to the other team, the Bears are bad. If Jay throws the ball into impossibly tight spaces, the Bears are good. It's that simple. Run the play, throw the ball. That's what the quarterback needs to do. All of this silliness about Cutler's body language, needing to "be a leader" or babysit grown ass men needs to stop.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 19):
Lovie's demise is in part to his inability to turn Snark into a leader and get him to work closely with his OC's.

Here's the thing about Cutler's conflicts, real or otherwise, with his offensive coordinators: Jay is right. Tice's playcalling, when it actually happened, was often comical, and Mike Martz was Mike Martz. Cutler summed it all up, and he was right on the money:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hH_8bw809o

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 20):
Just putting it out there but does anyone put in past him to bring in Tebow just to put the spotlight on Dallas over winning.

Any NFL GM should be fired for bringing in Tim Tebow in as a quarterback.

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
I think is a good QB and Brandon Marshall a great WR, but you don't have a great running game,

You don't need a great running game, just one that isn't horrible. The Bears also broke one of the cardinal rules of the new NFL: never pay a running back.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 21):
How does the Jets and Mark Sanchez not make that list?

The Jets are just a steaming pile of feces.

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
I dont agree with Ponder.

Ponder is bad. Even if he had people to throw to he couldn't make the plays.

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
As for Matt Schaub...he needs to play better, but the defense down the stretch was the reason they lost the number 1 seed, not Schaub.

Matt Schaub is Tony Romo without the publicity.

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
Matt Stafford didn't have a great year, and some of that is on him...but his big problem was there was some headcase Wide Receivers behind Calvin Johnson (Think Titus Young).

Stafford isn't that good, even when he's healthy. He's good enough to hang around in the league, but I'm not expecting him to win any rings.

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
The other thing is, who is going to be available in the draft?

In terms of quarterbacks, it's awfully thin. Nobody out there looks like a star to me.

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
You know that some teams would like a guy like Gruden or Cowher to go after, but will they coach again, or stay in TV?

Haven't heard anything about Cowher, but he seems happy being on the sidelines figuratively rather than literally it seems. I don't think Gruden is a great coach, decent but not great, but I would really, really love for some team to swoop in and get him off my television.

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 24):
Lovie, please take all your assistant coaches with you, except Marinelli.

  For the last nine years, all of the Bears' defensive coordinators have basically just been Lovie Smith proxies, except for the one that actually was Lovie Smith, implementing Lovie's defense.

Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 24):
The bad news as that the McCheapsky's are in charge of who the next coach is.

This is a myth. The McCaskey's are neither cheap nor meddling. What important players have the Bears lost because they were unwilling to pay? The lack of talent is not from being unwilling to pay for it, it's from being unable to find good talent. And that made it more necessary for the Bears to pay. Trade a ton of picks for Cutler, because you can't draft a quarterback. And bring a big sack of money to get Julius Peppers because they couldn't draft a defensive end.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 25):
Well I though Peyton just sign for five years with the Saints this weekend

He did.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11929 posts, RR: 25
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Interesting to see how many GM and coach candidates are coming from ATL, SF, and IND. Good news for me, who have watched the Pats start off with a piss-weak secondary and a few key injuries and drift into the 2nd seed in the AFC.

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
Romo has shown enough flashes of brilliance where he is probably safe.

Great news for those who don't like DAL. The man has been a starter since 2006 and it seems his football acumen has not improved at all since then. Contrast that to the recent crop of rookies who seem to be able to start in the league right out of college, which is amazing to me. Add that to the number of stupid penalties the Cowboys take in both the Garrett and Phillips eras, and I really have to wonder if the Cowboys hand out stupid pills in the locker room.

They seem to be handing them out in the executive suite in DAL, not to mention PHL and NYJ.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 17):
ditto the Seahawks and Matt Flynn.

No, thanks. We don't want Romo. You can have him. We are doing just fine with Wilson and Flynn.



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3841 posts, RR: 14
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 21):
How does the Jets and Mark Sanchez not make that list

Honest mistake--and I am facepalming when I saw I left the Jets off the list.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

The only problem with Flynn is that he is a pretty expensive backup.

Remember Seattle picked him up to be the starter, then Russel Wilson showed up.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting apodino (Reply 23):
I agree....but Romo has shown enough flashes of brilliance where he is probably safe. The only way Garrett gets replaced is if Jerry Jones can somehow lure Sean Payton away from New Orleans....which not only isn't likely, but would create a huge PR mess at Dallas, although that is nothing new for Jerry.

Not happening as Payton just signed a 5 year extension with the Saints.

Unless Jerry Jones takes is hands away from football operation in Dallas they probably won't be able to attract a coach that can convert the talent that the Cowboys have into wins.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 28):
Quoting ER757 (Reply 17):
ditto the Seahawks and Matt Flynn.

No, thanks. We don't want Romo. You can have him. We are doing just fine with Wilson and Flynn.

I think you mis-understood. Not saying trade Flynn for Romo (God forbid that train wreck of a QB ever plays for Seattle!). Was saying that Flynn might be available as a trade to The Cowboys to replace Romo, not a straight up one for one trade but Flynn to Dallas for either draft picks or other players. I'm not advocating it, was just answering another poster's question of what do the Cowboys do if they dump Romo. Personally, I'd love it if Flynn stuck around in Seattle. Wilson's made a believer out of me, but he runs around a lot and is one play away from being knocked silly. It would be nice to have someone of Flynn's caliber to be ready to step in.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 32):
Wilson's made a believer out of me, but he runs around a lot and is one play away from being knocked silly.

Just wait until NFL defenses wise up to that read option offense. Professional defensive linemen and linebackers are just too big and too quick for it to be much more than a gimmick offense. If I'm game planning against it, the way is to keep it simple. Just nail the quarterback, every play. Hand it off, don't hand it off, it doesn't matter: the quarterback is going to have a rough day. Running an offense like that necessitates being somewhat reckless with your quarterback.

I'm not sure about Wilson yet, but it seems that Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III have the skills to be athletic pocket passers rather than guys who have to run all the time. We got to see some of that from RG3 on Sunday night.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 32):
The Cowboys to replace Romo, not a straight up one for one trade but Flynn to Dallas for either draft picks or other players

Depending on what Dallas offers that might not be a bad deal with Seattle.

In other Dallas/Seattleish news. Former Seahawks head coach Mike Holmgren, having just left the Browns where he was GM, just shot down rumors of him moving to the head coaching job in Dallas.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
I'm not sure about Wilson yet, but it seems that Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III have the skills to be athletic pocket passers rather than guys who have to run all the time. We got to see some of that from RG3 on Sunday night.

I think Wilson didn't get the press that RGIII does because he is in Seattle. And I think that the coaching staff held him back in some of the earlier games, later on the season when they started to trust his ablities a bit more he came out more of the excellent rookie (should be rookie of the year IMHO) that he is.

Lets face it, Seattle gets underrated and underestimated way to often by the national sports media. RGIII was clearly playing hurt and I am not sure his knee is going to be that much better next Sunday.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 30):

I'm quite well aware of that. Look at when Wilson was drafted, sixth round I think.... Many people were asking who this kid was. No one knew Wilson would be THIS good, including Carroll. This is a real good surprise for Seahawk fans.

I was actually ecstatic when Seattle signed Flynn, as many other Seahawk fans were as well. So, Seattle has two really good QB's. I don't see Flynn bring traded this off season. Flynn may be expensive but he brings a lot to the table, more than you think.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 32):
Was saying that Flynn might be available as a trade to The Cowboys to replace Romo

No way. Flynn is worth more than you think. Wilson was a surprise that caught everyone off guard.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
I think Wilson didn't get the press that RGIII does because he is in Seattle

I highly doubt Wilson even cares.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
Seattle gets underrated and underestimated way to often by the national sports media.

That's totally true on all accounts. I still think Seattle won Super Bowl 40, even though ths has nothing to do with your quote. My point is that the Seahawks keep getting the shaft no matter what's going on.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
RGIII was clearly playing hurt and I am not sure his knee is going to be that much better next Sunday.

I hoping Seattle uses this to their advantage. Keep blitzing RG3 and make him work with that bad knee.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
If I'm game planning against it, the way is to keep it simple. Just nail the quarterback, every play.

Call me cynical but if RGIII because a Brady, Rodgers, Manning level QB there will be a lot of roughing the passer calls against him if teams do that.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6729 posts, RR: 8
Reply 37, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
Just nail the quarterback, every play.

In the NFL of old that was an option, it still is today if you want to get a quarterback knocked out by getting a flag, problem is that they will just bring in more rules to complete the neutering of th edefense, dangerous game that one, I for one hate the fact that corners and defensive backs can no longer legally cover or punish a catch over the middle.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
I'm not sure about Wilson yet, but it seems that Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III have the skills to be athletic pocket passers rather than guys who have to run all the time.

Question, what are these guys doing that is any different from what Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Mick Vick did, indeed Vick appeared to listen too much to those who wanted him to stay in the pocket and imitate Tom Brady that he essentially almost got killed behind that sieve of an offensive line that the Eagles have, indeed he is probably finished as a starter for any contending team, and those who implemented / influenced that bad structure will walk away with nary a scratch.

One thing to note, the way to beat the Pats is to knock Tom Brady down, as their coaches have seen that over the last few seasons it is to their credit that they have speeded up their offense so that he can get the ball away much sooner. No quarterback no matter how good their arm or brain can perform consistently if they are under constant pressure.
Problem is, so much money is tied up in the QB and receivers that the cannon fodder - offensive linemen - do not get the quality that is required, more groups of two or 3 O Linemen are required who can rotate in and out like the defense, since backs cannot cover receivers legally, any quarterback given time can take any defense apart.


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Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 36):
Call me cynical but if RGIII because a Brady, Rodgers, Manning level QB there will be a lot of roughing the passer calls against him if teams do that.

I doubt it. You run a play that deliberately makes it ambiguous as to who has the ball. Can't blame defenders for falling for a fake, now can you?

Quoting par13del (Reply 37):
Question, what are these guys doing that is any different from what Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb and Mick Vick did, indeed Vick appeared to listen too much to those who wanted him to stay in the pocket and imitate Tom Brady that he essentially almost got killed behind that sieve of an offensive line that the Eagles have,

They aren't. That's why RGIII and Wilson have to prove themselves as capable pocket passers who can run too sometimes, rather than running quarterbacks. Vick was never that accurate of a thrower and has been poor since his stint in jail, and McNabb had a promising career that was often marred by injury. Griffin has already suffered one NFL concussion and he isn't even out of his rookie season yet. The speed and strength of defenders in the NFL is such that if you call on your quarterback to run the ball often, he will get hit hard. And, to be fair, the quarterbacks themselves have to get a better handle on what is or isn't a smart play. Give up a yard or two and live to play another down.



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 6):
If anybody should be out it's Romo - he's proven yet again he can't perform when the chips are down.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
True. I was wondering last night when the media will stop talking about Romo's struggles in big games and just concede that he isn't that good.

I understand people are frustrated with Romo, but he played his ass off this season: 4,905 passing yards, 28 TDs (would've been more if Bryant could figure out how to catch wide open passes in the end zone), 19 INTs (would've been less if receivers had run their routes correctly). And all that without an offensive line, without a #1 or 2 wide receiver for the first half of the season--Bryant did better in the second half, but he did not play like a 1 or 2 in the first half--and with a head coach who only knows how to call four plays. Romo lost the Washington game, I agree. But the Cowboys shouldn't have even been in that situation. If Dez or Ogletree or Austin catch the ball when it hits them in the hands or chest in the end zone, Dallas is an 11-12 win team this year, even including the Washington loss. Without Romo the Cowboys are lucky to win 3 this season.

And replace Romo with Flynn? You must be joking. A guy who has a track record as a good starter in, what, 2 NFL games against a guy who throws for almost 5,000 yards and 30 TDs in a season and you want the guy who is more likely to end up as Kevin Kolb redux? Take him. We don't want him.

The blame for this season goes on Jones and Garrett, with a crap o-line, no healthy linebackers and wide receivers who can't catch the damn ball as huge contributing factors. Garrett should not be allowed to call offensive plays in the NFL. He is just that bad (seriously, not a single screen pass against Washington's blitz?!?). Jones has promised "big changes" and let's hope that includes removing himself as GM and allowing others to draft players.

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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11929 posts, RR: 25
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 39):
The blame for this season goes on Jones and Garrett, with a crap o-line, no healthy linebackers and wide receivers who can't catch the damn ball as huge contributing factors.

Everyone has issues with player health and with receivers who don't always catch the ball.

Despite all of the above, DAL was in a good position to overtake WAS till Romo's unbelievably poor decision led to a pick that pretty much ended the game and the season.

To me, the most interesting stat is that Romo is 1-7 in win or go home games in his career. The good news is that DAL has been good enough to be in such games, the bad news is that it's pretty clear that he won't take them any further.

Seems acedemic, though, because everyone is reporting that Romo is negotiating an extension so his big salary for next year will be spread out over more years. Good luck DAL fans, seems you'll have Romo to deal with for at least another two seasons.




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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Getting back to the coaching discussion, you can scratch one potential head coaching candidate. Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter just signed a contract extension through 2014 and has removed himself from consideration of any head coach openings. However, Mike Nolan and Keith Armstrong are being considered by some teams and Falcons Director Of Player Personnel David Caldwell has been interviewed for the Jags GM position and is on the Chargers' list of GM candidates.

UPDATE: Dirk Koetter is staying with the Falcons

Andy Reid's name is already being mentioned in K.C. and Arizona, and the Cards former Head Coach is being considered for the same position in Buffalo. Cleveland and Philly seem to be the ones that are going to try to make the big play to get Oregon's Chip Kelly as their Head Coach.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...ccoy-hot-names-174751269--nfl.html


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Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

The name being tossed around more than any other on ESPN's "NFL Live" show last night was Mike McCoy. Seems just about every team who fired their coach had him on their short list.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

I just read on Seattle Times.com that Coach Sarkisian is on the candidate list for the Eagles job. I doubt he is even interested.

Here is the article in this Husky Blog by Bob Condotta. It's on the bottom of the blog.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/huskyfootball/



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 40):
Seems acedemic, though, because everyone is reporting that Romo is negotiating an extension so his big salary for next year will be spread out over more years. Good luck DAL fans, seems you'll have Romo to deal with for at least another two seasons.

Who else can Dallas get?? No big time QB's in this upcoming draft and if they were no team would trade those picks for Romo.

The same thing would apply if they shopped him to other teams.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 40):
To me, the most interesting stat is that Romo is 1-7 in win or go home games in his career. The good news is that DAL has been good enough to be in such games, the bad news is that it's pretty clear that he won't take them any further.

They said the same thing about Peyton Manning until he finally won a ring and Manning has way more talent.

This year Dallas made that game on Sunday matter largely because of Romo bailing the team out in previous games. Mainly from dumb flags and a poor defense. Also Garrett has made enough dumb calls that have hurt Dallas as well.



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User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Barring at least one playoff win this season, Lovie Smith was on his way out in Chicago. The only reason he kept his job this year is that a stipulation for whomever took the GM job (Emery in this case) was that they couldn't fire Lovie during their first year on the job. Add to that Lovie's record against teams over .500 (something like 19-40) and how consistently dreadful the offense has been, there is no other choice but to bring in someone else.

User currently offlineGSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

I'm waiting on the Panthers decision to keep/fire Ron Rivera. I knew he was a bad hire from the beginning. He doesn't know how to motivate players, which was Cam Newtons problem earlier in the season. His teams just give up in the 4th quarter, and even though we ended the season well, I can't help but remember all of the blown 4th quarter leads that lost games earlier in the season. We almost slipped up against the Saints and let them win last weekend.

Too little, too late. We have the talent to be the best team in the league, we just need the right guy to put it together.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11929 posts, RR: 25
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 44):
Who else can Dallas get?? No big time QB's in this upcoming draft and if they were no team would trade those picks for Romo.

Indeed it's a bad situation. Re-signing him for reasonable money is probably the best option in a bad situation.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 44):
They said the same thing about Peyton Manning until he finally won a ring and Manning has way more talent.

Indeed Manning had way more talent, that's why it was expected. Romo has a moderate amount of talent but keeps making poor decisions in crunch time.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 44):
This year Dallas made that game on Sunday matter largely because of Romo bailing the team out in previous games. Mainly from dumb flags and a poor defense. Also Garrett has made enough dumb calls that have hurt Dallas as well.

Still don't understand why he and Philips before him can't get the players to stop committing so many penalties.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 47):
Still don't understand why he and Philips before him can't get the players to stop committing so many penalties.

That simple, both Garrett and Phillips are weak non-disciplinarian coaches who will just agree to whoever Jerry wants to bring in regardless of whether it suits their desired system or not and thus cannot discipline players for being stupid. Has the same thing happened in NE those guys would have been benched or cut

The coaches they would be able to reign in players aren't wanted in Dallas because they want full control of personnel which Jerry Jones doesn't want to give up. That is well within his rights being the richest and most seen owner in the league and it gives Dallas more press.

However marquis coaches have seen what happened to Bill Parcells and Jimmy Johnson in Dallas so they won't want to go there.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 47):
Indeed Manning had way more talent, that's why it was expected. Romo has a moderate amount of talent but keeps making poor decisions in crunch time.

People remember the pick at the end on Sunday which was bad at hurt their chances but what a lot of people already forget is that Dallas made a stop moments later that would have made Washington settle for a field goal and Dallas would have been down by 6 with a minute to go.

But there was a roughing the passer penalty on RGIII that gave the skins a new set of downs and a TD was scored as well as more clock time was used.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11929 posts, RR: 25
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 48):
That simple, both Garrett and Phillips are weak non-disciplinarian coaches who will just agree to whoever Jerry wants to bring in regardless of whether it suits their desired system or not and thus cannot discipline players for being stupid.

I think the lack of discipline comes from both the coaches and the players being chosen for the coaches, but if my job as a coach depended on it, I'd be finding ways to express to the players that such sloppiness is not tolerated.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 48):
The coaches they would be able to reign in players aren't wanted in Dallas because they want full control of personnel which Jerry Jones doesn't want to give up. That is well within his rights being the richest and most seen owner in the league and it gives Dallas more press.

I suppose so, but the ultimate way to have good press is to win titles and Super Bowls. I saw a recent article stating the three highest valued sports franchises are (a) Man Utd (b) DAL (c) NE Patriots, so there is more than one way to go about it.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 39):
I understand people are frustrated with Romo, but he played his ass off this season: 4,905 passing yards, 28 TDs (would've been more if Bryant could figure out how to catch wide open passes in the end zone), 19 INTs (would've been less if receivers had run their routes correctly).

I'm not frustrated with Romo as much as I am with the media that tries to convince me that he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. He isn't, but he isn't one of the worst either.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 41):
Keith Armstrong are being considered by some teams

Rooney rule.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 41):
Cleveland and Philly seem to be the ones that are going to try to make the big play to get Oregon's Chip Kelly as their Head Coach.

They can have him. I'm wary of college coaches with these "revolutionary" systems. No huddle, up tempo offenses aren't especially new and I'm not sure his way of doing things will prove to be great.

Quoting BlueLine (Reply 45):
Barring at least one playoff win this season, Lovie Smith was on his way out in Chicago.

In the second half yes. Before that people were talking about an extension for Lovie. He isn't a bad coach, but he isn't the guy to go win a Super Bowl for the Bears. That said, he'd be a good pick for a defensive coordinator.

News is that he's interviewing for the head coaching job in Buffalo, which is a common landing spot for failed Bears' coaches.

Also, in the Bears' coaching search they have gotten permission to interview Bruce Ariens, among others.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 41):
Oregon's Chip Kelly

Not to hijack the thread, but I'm waiting for the day Kelly leaves Oregon! With me being a Washington Husky fan, this would make my dreams come true, and other UW fans would share the same sentiment.

With that said, I don't think Kelly would want to stick around at Oregon. My prediction is that he will pull a "Pete Carroll" very soon, as the NCAA isn't quite done with Oregon yet, AFAIK.......



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

John Clayton is saying Any Reid's about to sign with the Chiefs. Deal should be done tonight or tomorrow latest according to him.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 51):
I'm waiting for the day Kelly leaves Oregon!

I don't think you'll be waiting long. I'll go out on a limb and say tonight is his last game as Oregon coach


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 52):
I'll go out on a limb and say tonight is his last game as Oregon coach

Lets hope you're right!!!   



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User currently offlineIllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

The Buffalo Bills hired Syracuse's Doug Marrone as their new head coach. The thought process was probably something like: "Lovie Smith? Pass. The guy who was .500 at Syracuse? Sign him up now!" I think he'll keep up their tradition of 5 wins per season...

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 55, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 52):
I don't think you'll be waiting long. I'll go out on a limb and say tonight is his last game as Oregon coach

Chip Kelly is staying at Oregon per ESPN.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29706 posts, RR: 59
Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Rumor has it the Chargersare looking at Mike Holmgren


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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 55):
Chip Kelly is staying at Oregon per ESPN.

Yeah, I saw that - guess I was wrong again - sorry to have gotten your hopes up  


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 57):

Not your fault, but I'm disa-freaking-pointed!!!!   



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

YAY!!! CHIP KELLY LEAVES FOR THE NFL!!!! Awesome!!!!

http://www.goducks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=500&ATCLID=205987661



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

To be noted as well, Chicago Bears have hired Marc Trestman from the CFL Montreal Alouettes. Trestman was in Montreal 5 years, won 2 Grey Cups. He has a rep of developing QBs and perhaps that will unlock Chicago's offensive side. Has worked as both a QB coach and OC previously in the NFL and was in one Super Bowl.


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9112 posts, RR: 18
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 59):
YAY!!! CHIP KELLY LEAVES FOR THE NFL!!!! Awesome!!!!

He be coming to the E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles. It's all over the local news out here...



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 62, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 61):
the E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles.

Shouldn't that be "the E-A-G-L-E-S Iggles"?  

And now San Diego has some of the youngest GM and Head Coach talent (what we hope will be talent) out there!

All the pundits are saying it is a good thing but I have my concerns. Tom Teleso, will I think be a very good GM, he seems to have the mind and chops for it. And Mike McCoy obviously knows how to manage very different people and very radically changing situations. However two young new guys together at the same time taking over and leading in a new direction presets a whole new dynamic. We have at the top two guys that have not actually done their particular job before, to me that can very well be an issue. Hopefully the pundits are right for a change and these two really are great and also great together in this situation.

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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15486 posts, RR: 26
Reply 63, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 59):
YAY!!! CHIP KELLY LEAVES FOR THE NFL!!!! Awesome!!!!

Either great negotiating, the NCAA found something they shouldn't, or a combination of both.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 60):
To be noted as well, Chicago Bears have hired Marc Trestman from the CFL Montreal Alouettes.

Initially I liked Ariens out of the Bears' finalists, but I'm liking Trestman more as I hear more about him. I like his attention to detail and almost obsessive preparation. Hopefully spending time with a twenty second play clock will keep the Bears from having that haphazard clown car of an offense they've had the past couple years.

As one media member put it, if Trestman fails in Chicago, it won't be because he isn't a smart guy. I love that the Bears are finally doing things like a real team and not stumbling their way along trying to follow teams that know what they are doing.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 64, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 63):
Either great negotiating, the NCAA found something they shouldn't, or a combination of both.

I think it's the latter. The NCAA more than likely found SOMETHING..... So Kelly pulls a Pete Carroll. That's how I'm seeing it.



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