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How Is Nokia Lumia 820/920 Doing?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9113 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

How is Nokia Lumia 820/920 doing? Will this save Nokia or even bring it back to number 1?

I tried 920 (my friend is using it) and it's a very good phone. Dual core, multi-tasking, great camera etc

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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4036 times:
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I think it's indeed a very good phone, and it could be the last chance Nokia has to save its guts.

The problem I see is the lack of support for the Windows Phone OS by major developers. Now that even Google bailed out ("we won't publish our apps for Windows Phone until there's a solid user base"), it becomes even harder. Microsoft is doing what it can to attract developers left and right, but that's no easy task.

As far as I'm personally concerned, the lack of Google apps would be a bit of a show-stopper for me. I'm currently using an iPhone in an all-Apple ecosystem, and switching to a Lumia 820/920 would be really difficult for me. I'm sure others can relate.

Users who don't have all their data so tightly-knit into a specific system may have an easier time doing so, but without good support for calendar/email/etc sync and apps, high-end users are unlikely to switch. I think they're having a hard time finding early adopters. The "geek crowd" is snobbing the phone, and there's hardly any buzz going on.

I still hope for the best, as Nokias were all my first phones, and it would be sad to see them go under.



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User currently offlineMarkusMUC From Germany, joined Jun 2010, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

I've got a Lumia 820 for one month and I'm satisfied so far.

Sure, Windows Phone is not the best and there are not so much apps like for iPhone or Android. However, the major apps are available. Yes, Google apps are not available yet. Currently I don't miss them. Bing is okay and Nokia maps is quite good.

Actually I looked for an iPhone 5. However, I'm deeply disappointed by it. iPhone maps - don't work. WLAN internet connections - don't work without problems. And the iPhone 5 has only 1 out of 5 LTE frequencies. - For that money, no way!!

In the point of fast internet and phone/internet connections the Nokia Lumia 820/920 beats the iPhone 5 in very case.


An Android mobile phone wasn't an option for me. I don't like Android. Android is too open in my view.


User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

I've got the HTC 8X, the "other" (According to Nokia) Windows Phone 8 flagship. It's great. WP8 is very good, better than iOS6, hands down, but not quite as good as Android 4.2 (For me, anyway). When i was in Thailand recently i saw lots of people sporting the Lumia 920, which i really didn't expect.

I hope WP does well, but the problem is developers being too lazy to bother making a WP app.

If HTC/Nokia could make hardware like they do for Windows Phone and put pure AOSP Android 4.2 on it, it would be the perfect device.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11947 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 3):
I hope WP does well, but the problem is developers being too lazy to bother making a WP app.

And I suppose you are too lazy to pull the engine out of your car and replace it with one of a different make and manufacture.

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 3):
If HTC/Nokia could make hardware like they do for Windows Phone

I wasn't too impressed with the HTC hardware I carried around for the last two years.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3956 times:

Some pundits have labeled the Lumia (as well as WP8) a flop. The lack of apps has definitely been a sticking point, as many developers would rather devote their efforts to platforms that have significant marketshares as that's where the money is. Windows Phone is not the only mobile platform Google has discontinued apps and support on, as they've done a similar thing with BlackBerry in recent months as well. Without native Google apps, that puts a device and OS at a disadvantage. At least with BlackBerry's tablet OS (from which the upcoming BB10 OS is derived from), there is an Android player and a number of folks have taken Google apps for Android and converted the file so it can run on the PlayBook via the Android player. RIM is actively courting those with Android apps to convert them for BB10 since the OS will have the same Android player that the PlayBook OS currently has. Microsoft doesn't have such an ability.

There's been a lot of money spent promoting WP8 in ads that also feature the Lumia (I drive past at least 6 billboards a day in the Atlanta area promoting WP8). They're brought in celebrities like Gwen Stefani, Jessica Alba, Cam Newton, and even characters from The Hobbit to promote the product and that really hasn't seemed to help sales.

Nokia in places like the US have been relegated to also ran status despite once being a dominant player in the cell phone market (A decade or so ago, their phones were the most widely sold phones in the world.) and partnering with Microsoft is something that both companies needed to do to try to stay relevant in the mobile device market that is dominated in most countries by iOS and Android devices. While in countries like India and in emerging markets in Asia and Africa, Nokia and RIM have remained or become the dominate phones because their devices work better on the existing cell phone infrastructure in those countries than the iPhone and Android devices (4G and even 3G service is not widely available even within major ciries and the cell networks outside of major cities are 2G).


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
Some pundits have labeled the Lumia (as well as WP8) a flop.

Doesn't surprise me, as "some pundits" had labelled it a flop (and WP8) 6 months ago, when they had no access to it - it seems to be the "party line" for some pundits...

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
The lack of apps has definitely been a sticking point

Yes, fully agree here, app offerings are anaemic.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
as many developers would rather devote their efforts to platforms that have significant marketshares as that's where the money is

Again, agreed. But its worth noting that with WP8, the "cost of platform support" decreases dramatically because WP8 apps can be ported to Win8 Metro with little to no effort involved, unlike WP7 which was a standalone platform.

Expect to see the benefits of that in 2013.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
Without native Google apps, that puts a device and OS at a disadvantage.

I disagree here - Google were withholding turn-by-turn navigation on iOS, but offering it for free on Android, so there were disadvantages anyway.

The Lumia series comes with the Nokia app suite, which is head and shoulders above that of the Google suite available - free turn by turn, with downloadable maps etc etc. The only issue I have with the Nokia maps app is the quality of the satellite images, which Google has better versions of.

Google have also turned off ActiveSync on Gmail for non-Android devices (surely theres some antitrust issue there?), which has its repurcussions...

I switched from the iPhone4S to the 920 at the start of December, and to be frank I've not yet regretted it.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
Microsoft doesn't have such an ability.

Microsoft doesn't want such an ability because thats precisely how they killed O/S 2 back in the day (O/S 2 had both native and Windows NT app support - guess which won?)- why write native apps if you can target Android and have your app run anyway? And when Android development moves on? Well, BB10 will be at a disadvantage - and all of a sudden you have a user base which is hooked on Android apps, so why not go with an Android when they next refresh their device?

To return to the topic thread - I'm loving my 920 - its fast, responsive, huge screen, decent quality, built like an iPhone (many Android phones suffer from plastic-itis where they just feel like component parts loosly held together, and an iPhone has always felt like it was hewn from a single block of granite - the 920 is much more like the iphone and thus has a inherent quality feel to it).

I've not really had any issues migrating either - I used Requiem to strip the DRM from my iTunes library (mainly books and music), and everything else just worked. I got a free wireless charger as well, so that helps a lot.

The apps I use seem polished and well designed, and I can directly compare several between iPhone, Android and WP8 (Flixster for example - first used it on the iPhone, then used it on Android, now I use it on WP8 - the iPhone version is the one I use as a base line, the Android version was very poor, but the WP8 version exceeds the iPhone version in quality and ability).

I would love more apps, but after careful consideration prior to actually taking the plunge, I decided that the apps I actually used could be replaced with equal or better ones.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 6):
Google have also turned off ActiveSync on Gmail for non-Android devices (surely theres some antitrust issue there?), which has its repurcussions...

BlackBerry is among those affected, and while I didn't use it, a lot of folks did. Google tries to portray itself as being unlike the other guys yet does some of the same type of stuff.

Quoting moo (Reply 6):
Microsoft doesn't want such an ability because thats precisely how they killed O/S 2 back in the day (O/S 2 had both native and Windows NT app support - guess which won?)- why write native apps if you can target Android and have your app run anyway? And when Android development moves on? Well, BB10 will be at a disadvantage - and all of a sudden you have a user base which is hooked on Android apps, so why not go with an Android when they next refresh their device?

RIM views it more as a gateway to get app developers to develop for the platform by making it easy to port their Android apps to run on BB10 and to get them to develop BB10 apps down the road. Right now there thousands upon thousands of unofficial Android apps that are installed on BlackBerry PlayBooks that are not officially supported by RIM or the app developers so that whenever the new version comes out, a person has to remove the older version they have sideloaded and sideload the newest version of the app that someone has converted. The problem is that the newest version may not function correctly or not function at all due to the coding of the app. RIM is trying to remedy that by having those developers onboard with them in order to make it easier on all parties. This means no more sideloaded apps that are essentially pirated apps (even though the apps in question are free and the converting/sideloading community tries to avoid paid apps). If RIM wanted to put Android on the BlackBerry, they would have never bought QNX.

Microsoft is the dominant company when it comes to the PC market and while there are other options out there, they still reign supreme as the other options are either open source operating systems that don't always translate well with typical consumer needs or is a closed operating system that is proprietary to one company's computers. Much like how Android has become the dominant smartphone OS, Windows became the dominant PC operating system. Microsoft has tried to get into the mobile device market with varying levels of success, but in the mobile device market, Windows is a minor player in the overall market and Nokia dumping their niche OS to go to WP8 is a step that both parties needed to take as while both companies have name recognition, they both weren't doing too well in the current mobile environment.

WP8 and BB10 have the risk of being another Palm OS/WebOS as the markets have changed and even if you adapt to the market, you really have to have the wow factor to get folks to switch to your device.


User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
And I suppose you are too lazy to pull the engine out of your car and replace it with one of a different make and manufacture.

It's easier for developers to make WP apps than Android or iOS apps. Microsoft do most of it for you. Developers say they won't make WP apps until more people take up the platform, yet no-one is picking up the platform because developers aren't making good apps.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
I wasn't too impressed with the HTC hardware I carried around for the last two years.

I take it you aren't familiar with recent HTC Hardware then. Ever since the One X (March 2012) HTC have made great hardware, beautiful designs and strong. Compared to the flimsy iPhone series, HTC devices are built brilliantly.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 7):
you really have to have the wow factor to get folks to switch to your device.

There is MUCH more wow factor in the Lumia 920 than the iPhone 5 for instance. Apple is adding things that have been present in Android for years and labelling it as "revolutionary", whilst Nokia is really developing new things that are incredibly useful, like OIS, Pureview camera technology, Puremotion screens, Supersensitive displays etc.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 7):
RIM views it more as a gateway to get app developers to develop for the platform by making it easy to port their Android apps to run on BB10 and to get them to develop BB10 apps down the road.

Ain't eeeeeever going to happen - the Dalvik and BB development environments, while both based on Java, are worlds apart.

BB would be better providing a much better developer experience, as its currently very very very very very very poor.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 7):
If RIM wanted to put Android on the BlackBerry, they would have never bought QNX.

But the problem is, by allowing Android apps to run natively on their platform, they are literally giving control of their platform away to a third party - they no longer control functionality or compatibility, its all down to Google and the other Open Handset Alliance members who control Dalvik...

Thats the danger. And its a bigger danger than "hey look, now Android apps work here too!" is a benefit.

RIM is currently in the floundering stage of major corporate issues - they either get their stuff together quickly (and taking a year getting BB10 out the door does not bode well), or they lose their offices.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 7):
Much like how Android has become the dominant smartphone OS

There are plenty of caveats with statements like those - I do not dispute that Android has the biggest market share, but if you look at their actual market spread the majority of Android devices are the type of device which is steadily replacing the bottom of the market Nokia et al - the type of device that someone who doesn't really care what they get so long as it makes calls, gets.

Apple are the ones in the better position, as they have a smaller market device share but a hugely dominant market profit share - Apple don't care about the bottom end of the market, which is why Android is thriving there, almost by default.

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 8):
I take it you aren't familiar with recent HTC Hardware then. Ever since the One X (March 2012) HTC have made great hardware, beautiful designs and strong. Compared to the flimsy iPhone series, HTC devices are built brilliantly.

I heavily dispute this - during 2011 I had several HTC devices, from the middle of the range to the top of the range, and all sucked badly in the build quality. Plasticy, creaky, bendable, and just plain cheap.

The iPhone has always been the better build quality.


User currently offlineplanejamie From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2011, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

I personally went from Windows Phone to an iPhone 5. If I'm honest, the iPhone isn't perfect (I'm using Google Maps instead of Apple Maps) but it's far better than Windows Phone for me.

In hindsight I wish I'd waited for the new Google Nexus


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

It's too expensive, isn't it? The high-cost market is already cornered by Apple. Android's strength is to provide options at pretty much all price ranges. I think Windows Phone would stand a chance if it was offered at a lower price, but right now... why would I spend 600+ Euros for a phone if I could get an iPhone for that price?


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User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 9):

I heavily dispute this - during 2011 I had several HTC devices, from the middle of the range to the top of the range, and all sucked badly in the build quality. Plasticy, creaky, bendable, and just plain cheap.

The iPhone has always been the better build quality.

"Ever since the One X (March 2012) HTC have made great hardware" I take it you didn't read that part. During 2011 i agree, but i specifically said March 2012 onwards. The iPhone had never been good build quality, everyone i've known to own an iPhone has at some point broken the screen or the back.

Quoting Rara (Reply 11):
why would I spend 600+ Euros for a phone if I could get an iPhone for that price?

Because a Lumia 920 can do way more than an iPhone 5? People buy iPhone's because they are made by Apple and are called iPhone's. That's it. You ask the vast majority of iPhone users what OS their phone is running and they wouldn't have a clue, heck, most of them don't even know WHICH iPhone version they own!


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 12):

My apologies, I had missed that - however, broken screens and backs have nothing to do with build quality (and I take it you haven't seen the break ability demos done by someone in Singapore I think, where he conducts drop tests - the iPhone comes out on top in most if the tests).

The 920 is the first phone I've handled which comes close to the iPhone on actual build quality - even the Samsung SIII seems tacky.


User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 13):
the iPhone comes out on top in most if the tests

The iPhone 5, yes, but all previous have been awful in this area. The Lumia 920 can take a right good beating!

The S3 is actually very resistant to breaking, don't let the plastic deceive you. I've dropped mine many a time and it's not even got a scratch. My Nexus 4 on the other hand shattered and the screen became totally unresponsive after one drop. I guess that is why it is so cheap!


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3878 times:

Actually, the comparison I saw was 4S and S3, with the S3 coming off worse...

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1792 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3873 times:

I've been given demos of the new OS on multiple occasions, but I haven't had a chance to actually get my hands on the Lumia hardware. But from what I've seen, it's an attractive and sleek device. I can't really comment on if I think it will result in a resurgence of Nokia since I haven't used it, but it appears much better than any of their past products.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 7):
If RIM wanted to put Android on the BlackBerry, they would have never bought QNX.

  

Quoting moo (Reply 9):
Ain't eeeeeever going to happen - the Dalvik and BB development environments, while both based on Java, are worlds apart.

BB would be better providing a much better developer experience, as its currently very very very very very very poor.

Have you used the new developing environment/SDK for BB10? I'm not a developer, but I worked closely with Developer Relations at RIM, and from what I heard, it's miles better than the one used for BB7.

Quoting moo (Reply 9):
But the problem is, by allowing Android apps to run natively on their platform, they are literally giving control of their platform away to a third party - they no longer control functionality or compatibility, its all down to Google and the other Open Handset Alliance members who control Dalvik...

Thats the danger. And its a bigger danger than "hey look, now Android apps work here too!" is a benefit.

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Core apps on the device are still BB developed, all they've done is open a door via Android Player so that the user has more options, but in no way have they "[given] up control of their platform". If the Android developer base decides to not port over their apps to the BB platform, then only BlackBerry developed apps will work on the device...like it has been for as long as apps have been on BB devices. It would of course be a crushing blow to the consumer side of the business if the Android Player were to be a failure though.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3829 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3867 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):
Have you used the new developing environment/SDK for BB10? I'm not a developer, but I worked closely with Developer Relations at RIM, and from what I heard, it's miles better than the one used for BB7.

Yes, 6 months now, and it's still significantly sub par when compared with the development ecosystems for iOS and WP, and even below that of the Android environments.

And let's remember that BB10 will be a minority in the BB world for quite a while to come.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion.

The moment a developer says "I don't need to port to BB, they can just run the Android app", my point is validated. And that's going to happen quite quickly.

You can talk all you want about the core apps, but no one interested in an app ecosystem is going to care about them - iOS, WP, Android all come with core apps, but the key is apps supplied by third parties.

BB are now tracking two development environments - the BB Java one, controlled by BB themselves, and the Android one, controlled by a competitor. BB cannot control what happens to the Android ecosystem in the future, they can only control how quickly their compatibility layer tracks the official version. Once they fall behind, and the Android ecosystem moves on and becomes incompatible, you are going to have some very unhappy customers n your hands, and you've already built the foundation for those customers moving to the Android platform outright...


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 17):

The moment a developer says "I don't need to port to BB, they can just run the Android app", my point is validated. And that's going to happen quite quickly.

Incorrect. One cannot simply download an Android app from Google Play and sideload onto their PlayBook. One can convert the file to run on the PlayBook via sideloading, but there is no official support for the app from either side (RIM or the app developer). By utilizing the tools RIM is offering, it benefits not only the developer and RIM, it also benefits the end-user, as they get the app through the official channels as opposed from some other site. Consumers get official support and when an app has been updated, it can be updated through official channels instead of having to have someone convert the file to run on the PlayBook and then having to sideload it.

The converting and sideloading of Android apps onto the PlayBook is a bit of a sticky issue and at one point, it was rumored that RIM was going to lockout the ability to sideload apps. Let's just say that didn't sit well with a lot of folks. In some cases, RIM had nobody but themselves to blame as companies were not going to release multiple versions of their apps for the BlackBerry as you had the older OS5/6 as well as OS7 and the PlayBook OS. A lot of PlayBook apps in recent months have been ports of Android apps. So there is definitely developers willing to port their apps to the PlayBook.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

I've owned the Lumia 920 for over a month now and very satisfied. The phone feels very premium. I still need a few apps but nothing important is missing. I've embraced the MS ecosystem and have now a backup of everything in SkyDrive. Now I am seriously considering selling my iPad 3 and getting a MS Surface tablet. Or at least getting a Surface tablet and see if I will miss the iPad, and if not, then sell the iPad  

I've tried Windows 8 on my laptop and in the beginning I didn't like it very much. Now I really like it, and looking forward to trying the OS with a touch screen.

I've had many Android phones in the past and I just don't understand why Google's market share is so big. The last Android phone I had was an SGS3. While a very nice phone, the software just isn't very good in my humble opinion. Even when you buy the phone without contract as I did, it comes preloaded with tons of bloatware which adds to a very confusing user experience even for tech savvy people. Also, when comparing Google Play with MS Marketplace, the graphics on Google Play looks like a polished DOS application while the Marketplace on WP is much much sleeker.

I guess Android is only that much in the lead because there are so many cheap phones using Android. I like the customization abilities in Android though, but maybe just slightly too nerdy for my taste.

iPhone 5 looks very attractive. My girlfriend has the white one, but I think I would get bored too fast.

[Edited 2013-01-01 14:28:31]

User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):

The Surface is incredible. I don't use my iPad at all (Apart from playing Infinite Flight) anymore. It's only problem is the same as Windows Phone really, quality of apps.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2315 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Quoting baldwin471 (Reply 20):

The Surface is incredible. I don't use my iPad at all (Apart from playing Infinite Flight) anymore. It's only problem is the same as Windows Phone really, quality of apps.

I agree. I am actually surprised that it has taken that long for MS to build up a solid collection of the best known apps. Anyway, I am sure that now that WP8 and W8 share the same platform, it will speed up the process.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):

I guess Android is only that much in the lead because there are so many cheap phones using Android. I like the customization abilities in Android though, but maybe just slightly too nerdy for my taste.

There's a lot of cheap Android devices period. There are stores selling no-name Android powered tablets with a couple of GB of memory for $49-$79 and they're using older builds of Android and the quality is pretty bad as the internals are practically the bare minimums needed to run the OS. That tends to dilute the entire Android brand.

Android came about because there was not any smartphone OS that could be licensed, as RIM wasn't going to license the BlackBerry OS nor was Apple going to license iOS. While there were attempts at other operating systems, they didn't have Google backing them, which was huge. Had Google not backed Android, they too might have been another also ran in the mobile OS field. The fact that it is open source and easily customizable definitely plays into its' success.

Ironically, folks at Nokia as well as Microsoft were skeptical of Android when it was released back in 2007 and didn't view as a threat or that it wasn't going to amount to much.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/s...d-apple-downplay-android-relevance


User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):
I guess Android is only that much in the lead because there are so many cheap phones using Android.

That's true; low end Androids certainly inflate the marketshare numbers. However, the Samsung GS3 was the top selling smartphone in Q3 2012. This proved that low end Androids are not the only reason their numbers are big. But in my opinion, it was not until Android's Jelly Bean was released that the OS caught up with (and arguably surpassed) iOS.

I used a Lumia WP7 for awhile recently. I had no issues with the WP OS; my biggest complaint was that I felt handcuffed by not having apps available that I was used to using. My opinion is that MS is going to have to take the initiative in getting popular apps to market. Some of the ones I use that were available on WP7 were of poor quality compared to Android's.


User currently offlinebaldwin471 From UK - England, joined Mar 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Quoting TLG (Reply 23):
it was not until Android's Jelly Bean was released that the OS caught up with (and arguably surpassed) iOS.

Definitely surpassed it in my opinion. I love Android because you have choice. There are 3 maybe 4 top of the line Android handsets from different OEM's that blow away the iPhone and are usually cheaper too. SGS3/Note2, HTCOneX+/Droid DNA, LG Nexus 4 etc.


25 moo : I know that, and it has no bearing on my point - BB supply the Java Android Runtime, which simply requires a compatibility check and a repackage to "
26 Revelation : (Note: something went wrong with my posting below, but don't have the time to fix it. I think the key points are still visible...) Thanks, moo, for yo
27 HoMsaR : Got a question, and I might as well ask it here rather than starting a new thread (since we already have 300 different smartphone comparison threads).
28 tugger : Hi HoMsaR, I am probably one of the bigger fans and advocates of WP (7.X for me right now). Of course it is always what fits yours needs best but we
29 HoMsaR : Thanks. Those are some helpful responses. I'll have to browse the app store a bit more to see what's available, and if there are apps that meet my nee
30 Post contains links and images AirPacific747 : I just thought I'd share a picture with you of my new fatboy pillow with a wireless charger inside it. I just got it today. Suck on this, iPhone! :P T
31 Revelation : I ended up getting SG3 on VZW, and one thing I liked was the flexibility. For instance it was cheaper for me to buy the 16GB internal storage model a
32 srbmod : Out of curiosity, are the batteries in the Lumia removable by the consumer? I know many smartphones manufacturers make it pretty tough for the consume
33 WestJet747 : Agreed. I used one for the first time a couple weeks ago and loved it. They lost one developer...and gained more customers who would rather have the
34 baldwin471 : Nope. Well, no for the 920, yes for the 820/822.
35 moo : And also gained most customers who will gradually realise they aren't beholden to RIM and the Blackberry for their app ecosystem, so a leap to Androi
36 mdavies06 : Hi all I got some questions about the Lumia 820/920 as I am considering buy one of those hope you can answer them. I am also thinking about a number o
37 srbmod : The micro SD is for storing photos, videos, music, documents, etc., not for storing apps and programs. The reason why the iPhone comes in multiple st
38 AirPacific747 : It can be used in the browser.. but convenient? No. And the app sucks at the moment.. I really hope Flightradar will update it ASAP..
39 Revelation : Will chip in with what I know from using Android 4.1.1 on a Samsung Galaxy S3. Note that 4.1 and 4.2 are both being called "Jelly Bean" which is quit
40 Post contains links HELyes : It looks Lumia phones did well in the fourth quarter 2012, Nokia showed surprisingly good numbers: http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspe...ith-4-4-mill
41 max999 : I tried out the 920 over Christmas when I was visiting family in the Seattle area. There's a growing Nokia user base in Seattle because of the heavy c
42 Post contains links HELyes : True, now it seems there's a lighter and thinner aluminium 920 coming. http://www.neowin.net/news/nokia-pre...lumia-flagship-with-aluminium-body
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