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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4545 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/busine...ra-current-tv/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Now...I am an aspiring journalist desperate for work...but there isn't enough money in the world that could make me want to work for a network that spews terrorist propaganda. I hope the FCC blocks this, or that all the major cable/satellite outlets refuse to carry it.

Marc

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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
terrorist propaganda.

Al Jazeera spreads terrorist propaganda?


That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard all week. Have you watched AJE?



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Al Jazeera is nothing but terrorist propaganda. Bin Laden, Muqtada (sp?) al Sadar, etc...they aired all those tapes, and all they were was propaganda. Please...Fox News is better then Al Jazeera.

Marc


User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 2):
Al Jazeera is nothing but terrorist propaganda. Bin Laden, Muqtada (sp?) al Sadar, etc...they aired all those tapes, and all they were was propaganda. Please...Fox News is better then Al Jazeera.

And we're supposed to take your word for it?


User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 2):
Al Jazeera is nothing but terrorist propaganda.

My local public TV affiliate has a thing where they broadcast a bunch of news stations from outside the U.S.- I believe BBC World News, NHK (Japan,) and al Jazeera. I don't often watch the latter as it comes on at a time when we're usually watching another channel, but from when I have seen it, I don't seem to recall being exhorted to fight the infidel not even a single time. "Insallahs" were in remarkably short supply as well.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3651 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Al Gore owned by the Arabs, who would have thunk?

User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6105 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4485 times:
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Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
Have you watched AJE?

I have seen it a few times and I like what I see. Since they aren't American they don't tow the Democratic Party line, like most of the US TV news shows.

Does anyone watch Current TV? They put out a neat piece about Detroit public schools a few years ago and very few people actually saw it, even in Detroit. I knew plenty of teachers who wanted to watch it, but one of the local cable providers didn't carry the channel. I was able to watch it becuase my parents DVRed it in St. Louis.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3651 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4479 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 7):
Since they aren't American they don't tow the Democratic Party line, like most of the US TV news shows.

The devil is in the details. What you see here on AJ is not even close to what they transmit elsewhere.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 8):
The devil is in the details. What you see here on AJ is not even close to what they transmit elsewhere.

Correct...Gilded lilies!. In comes Obama the Trojan Horse...Next...re-election, a weakened and troubled US economy and social structure...Another WA D.C. whore sells out for profit...AL- Jazeera sets up shop in New York City of all places. Guess who will buy the US government?...Muslim brotherhood. Might as well, they do a better job where communication is concerned. If I didn't hear it with my own ears, I would not have believed it. But don't think your coming for the guns now!


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

The funnest thing about this thread, other than the misguided tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, is the general belief that Al Jazeera is not broadcasted in the US already. But don't worry, Al Jazeera buying a low rated TV channel that no one frankly cares about obviously means we will soon be bowing to our terrorist overlords!

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 9):
Correct...Gilded lilies!. In comes Obama the Trojan Horse...Next...re-election, a weakened and troubled US economy and social structure...Another WA D.C. whore sells out for profit...AL- Jazeera sets up shop in New York City of all places. Guess who will buy the US government?...Muslim brotherhood. Might as well, they do a better job where communication is concerned. If I didn't hear it with my own ears, I would not have believed it. But don't think your coming for the guns now!

Hey, if the Muslim brotherhood was able to pull off such a grand plan requiring over 4 years of preparation I say kudos to them!

[Edited 2013-01-03 08:44:20]

User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
Now...I am an aspiring journalist desperate for work...but there isn't enough money in the world that could make me want to work for a network that spews terrorist propaganda

Don't worry, soon Current TV will be no more. Oh, you mean Al Jazeera? My bad...



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User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

Time Warner Cable has ceased carriage of Current effective immediately.

User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
Have you watched AJE?

Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

Marc


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7585 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Gore is a hypocritical jackass. he only sold it to AJ because of the money he could acquire before the tax hike on Jan. 1.

Time Warner pulled Current TV yesterday.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
Al Jazeera spreads terrorist propaganda?

Yep. Their Arabic website regularly published Bin Laden's speeches



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4305 times:
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I've watched the Al Jazerra live stream a few times and found it refreshing to actually hear news from around the world, not just the US. The channel is owned and funded by the government of Qatar, which is a strong US ally, and Hillary Clinton and John McCain have both praised Al Jazerra for excellent reporting.

I wish them luck, but I don't have much hope seeing how most Americans seem to only be interested in their respective biased news sources. God forbid anyone get a different perspective on global affairs.


User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 19):
Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

Marc

Will you please define "terrorist" for me and please explain why Al Jazeera is "terrorist"? I trust you'll cite examples too.


User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 19):
Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

So you boycott a channel you've never seen? I'd love to hear your reasoning.



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User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):
Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

Well it's a good job someone else warned you about them then, otherwise you might have had to find out for yourself!


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4212 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 9):
The funnest thing about this thread, other than the misguided tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, is the general belief that Al Jazeera is not broadcasted in the US already. But don't worry, Al Jazeera buying a low rated TV channel that no one frankly cares about obviously means we will soon be bowing to our terrorist overlords!

   Al Jezeera is sourced in many national news broadcasts already, and has been for years. All these people afraid of the "terrorist news source" don't even realize that they've indirectly been watching Al Jezeera for years...

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):
Yep. Their Arabic website regularly published Bin Laden's speeches

So does my local CTV News station  
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):
Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

That's like saying everyone from Wisconsin is an asshole, without ever having met anyone from Wisconsin. Pretty narrow-minded way to look at things. I thought you were an "aspiring journalist"?

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 18):
The channel is owned and funded by the government of Qatar, which is a strong US ally

   Exactly. The company is headquartered in Doha, which isn't exactly a bastion of jihad terrorism...



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21641 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4204 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
Al Jazeera spreads terrorist propaganda?

Yep. Their Arabic website regularly published Bin Laden's speeches

That's like saying Fox spreads liberal propaganda because they broadcast Obama's speeches. Broadcasting a speech is not the same as spreading propaganda - if they were coming out in favor of the speeches, then you'd have an argument.

-Mir



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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4181 times:
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Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):
Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

Then how do you have a clue what you are talking about? that's like me saying I don't like the taste of shark meat although I've never eaten it.
I get the feeling you'll not explain though.

Fred


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4153 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
Now...I am an aspiring journalist desperate for work...but there isn't enough money in the world that could make me want to work for a network that spews terrorist propaganda. I hope the FCC blocks this, or that all the major cable/satellite outlets refuse to carry it.

They're supported by the Qatar Government, a staunch ally of the US. The US has it's Central Command located at Al Udeid Air Base. Qatar built the facilities for the US.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 2):
l Jazeera is nothing but terrorist propaganda. Bin Laden, Muqtada (sp?) al Sadar, etc...they aired all those tapes, and all they were was propaganda. Please...Fox News is better then Al Jazeera.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):

Yep. Their Arabic website regularly published Bin Laden's speeches

Absurd. Al Qaeda sent them their videos because they are 'local'; I.e, they are not in Atlanta or London. Seems like the logical place to send your propaganda. By that standard, Fox or MSNBC are doing the same.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 7):

The devil is in the details. What you see here on AJ is not even close to what they transmit elsewhere.

I watch the international version. Not 'terrorist propaganda'.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

For one, you are missing out on excellent reporting. The fact that you judge without even bothering to watch is telling.

Also, I highly doubt anyone of Sir David Frost's caliber would work for Al Jazeera if they were terrorists.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 16):

So you boycott a channel you've never seen? I'd love to hear your reasoning.

   All I've heard is 'they are terrorists because they have broadcast Osama's speeches'.



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

Well you actually do - considering the way you see things in general.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584557


User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2592 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4069 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 8):

I nominate this reply for the Paranoia Hall of Fame.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
Now...I am an aspiring journalist desperate for work...
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 2):
Al Jazeera is nothing but terrorist propaganda.

Oh dear.   It dawns on me that there's a reason why you're looking for work. Throwing about grossly generalizing and incorrect statements about something you profess to know nothing about isn't really what employers look for in a journalist.


Here's a hint, if you want to be a journalist, have an open mind and do your own research! Treat every subject as if it were completely new to you, dive in and draw your own conclusions. It's the best way to discover interesting facts and viewpoints, and that's what journalism is all about.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 16):
So you boycott a channel you've never seen? I'd love to hear your reasoning.

I'll be responding to replies later today when I'm more awake (it's 2:37AM here in Jerusalem), but this one I figured would be a pretty simple one. Yes, I'll boycott a channel although I've never seen based on their programming. I've never watched BET, Style, Bravo, and probably several other channels that I can't think of off the top of my head. Why? Because their programming isn't relevant to me.

I'm a 27 year old Caucasian straight male who is also Jewish. That is why the examples I cited do not appeal to me Being based in Qatar, I already know they're anti-semetic. This is not an assumption. Back in college, we frequently had UN ambassadors on campus to speak, and student leaders got to dine with them. This was back sometime between late 2003 and 2005 when I went to an appearance made by the Qatari Ambassador. While he was very affable and polite, he stated that the Qatari government fully supported the Palestinian regime, which at that point was still led by Arafat and the PLO, and did not see Israel as a legitimate State.

While they may support the US and be allies, the issue of Israel is very near and dear to me. I would love to see a network pull no punches. Sometimes the Israelis are wrong, sometimes the Palestinians are wrong. I don't want a network that's going to always say that one side is always right or wrong. Hey, I'll admit that I am a Zionist, but sometimes Israel is wrong, but I would love to see a COMPLETELY unbiased network, and I know that's a fantasy.

If you'll all excuse me, I feel my sleeping medication kicking in, so I'm turning in. I will respond to more comments tomorrow.

Marc


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4204 times:
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Can't say I watched Current TV religiously, but getting Al Jazeera instead isn't a bad trade-off.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 18):
I thought you were an "aspiring journalist"?

I think the reason he is "aspiring" still is plainly evident by now...

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
if they were coming out in favor of the speeches, then you'd have an argument.

Should we mention that Al Jazeera is already available in Washington DC, or is that too much?

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 20):
Then how do you have a clue what you are talking about?

Hate and fear of the unknown... Sadly, nothing new there.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7585 posts, RR: 18
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 22):
Absurd. Al Qaeda sent them their videos because they are 'local'; I.e, they are not in Atlanta or London. Seems like the logical place to send your propaganda. By that standard, Fox or MSNBC are doing the same.

You still shouldn't ever broadcast that stuff.



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I've never watched BET, Style, Bravo, and probably several other channels that I can't think of off the top of my head. Why? Because their programming isn't relevant to me.

Boycotting something you do not know much about (apparently) and just not following a channel because it targets a completely different demographic is not the same. AJ is a news channel, their programming is made for a pretty wide international audience and its just that, news. No programming for Muslims only like how to pray in the morning or what kind of hijab color is fashionable this month. I have watched AJ here and there, their story reporting is pretty plain and objective, so much that it lacks character sometimes.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I would love to see a COMPLETELY unbiased network
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I would love to see a network pull no punches.

Maybe it is out there and you haven't noticed because you tend to judge by the cover (or by what others tell you)? Has is ever come to your knowledge that AJ reporting on Israel for example is not fair on both sides and is anti-Semitic? It may be just me but for a person who seeks objectivity and unbiased reporting, the way you view things are the exact opposite.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 27):

I think the reason he is "aspiring" still is plainly evident by now...

I think I would agree with that.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
You still shouldn't ever broadcast that stuff.

What about Ahmadinejad's speeches in the UN? What about the Phelps family? Both cases have to do with nut jobs on an endless brain fart session. Presenting the news (AKA something that is/has happened) does not mean that the media outlet condones what is being reported. NBC reporting a murder does not mean that NBC condones murder or does pro-murder propaganda. Unless you mean that they should not show anything that anyone says that you do not agree with. That's different.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21641 posts, RR: 55
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
Being based in Qatar, I already know they're anti-semetic. This is not an assumption. Back in college, we frequently had UN ambassadors on campus to speak, and student leaders got to dine with them. This was back sometime between late 2003 and 2005 when I went to an appearance made by the Qatari Ambassador. While he was very affable and polite, he stated that the Qatari government fully supported the Palestinian regime, which at that point was still led by Arafat and the PLO, and did not see Israel as a legitimate State.

Careful, not recognizing Israel as legitimate is not the same as anti-semitism. A view toward a country is not the same as a view toward members of a particular religion.

-Mir



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
That is why the examples I cited do not appeal to me Being based in Qatar, I already know they're anti-semetic. This is not an assumption.

The company's headquarters are just located in Qatar. Many of the people working for the network aren't even Qatari. If you cared to watch, you would notice many of the reporters have British accents.

As for the anti-semetism accusation, you're way off base. I watch Al Jazeera here and there, and have never heard a single anti-semetic comment.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I don't want a network that's going to always say that one side is always right or wrong.

I don't think you'll never find a perfect news network. But Al Jazeera is fairly balanced in their reporting. They aren't the anti-semetic, anti-American biased organization you blindly portray them as. Seriously, I strongly encourage you to watch it a few times and develop your opinions from your own experiences, rather than out of what you expect.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
You still shouldn't ever broadcast that stuff.

Digging your head in the sand because something is unpleasant might work for you...but I would like to know what's going on in the world, and that includes speeches, albeit hateful, from influential figures. I don't like Ahmedinejad, and he spews a lot of crap, but I still listen to his UN speeches, and I need the Al Jazeera's of the world to help me do that.



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I'll be responding to replies later today when I'm more awake (it's 2:37AM here in Jerusalem), but this one I figured would be a pretty simple one. Yes, I'll boycott a channel although I've never seen based on their programming. I've never watched BET, Style, Bravo, and probably several other channels that I can't think of off the top of my head. Why? Because their programming isn't relevant to me.

Not the same as "boycotting" then, is it? Nor is it comparable to your previous reasoning, which (correct me if I'm wrong) suggests watching Al-Jazeera is the equivalent of supporting terrorism.

Quote:
I'm a 27 year old Caucasian straight male who is also Jewish. That is why the examples I cited do not appeal to me Being based in Qatar, I already know they're anti-semetic. This is not an assumption. Back in college, we frequently had UN ambassadors on campus to speak, and student leaders got to dine with them. This was back sometime between late 2003 and 2005 when I went to an appearance made by the Qatari Ambassador. While he was very affable and polite, he stated that the Qatari government fully supported the Palestinian regime, which at that point was still led by Arafat and the PLO, and did not see Israel as a legitimate State.

OK, so the real reasoning is that you like to hear views which solely match yours. I can understand this if the views are those of a tiny minority of the world (hence why I don't listen to, say, 9/11 conspiracies or other crackpots), but when they are shared by a fairly large proportion of the globe, it's worth at least listening to them. You may find them abhorrent, but an enquiring mind will always want to hear both sides of every story.

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
Careful, not recognizing Israel as legitimate is not the same as anti-semitism. A view toward a country is not the same as a view toward members of a particular religion.

   Precisely. I consider the occupation of Tibet by China to be illegitimate, but I am not racist against the Chinese.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 27):
I think the reason he is "aspiring" still is plainly evident by now...
Quoting Rara (Reply 25):
Oh dear.   It dawns on me that there's a reason why you're looking for work.

I'm afraid I disagree here. Neutrality is hardly the most sought-after quality these days in journalism. Shocking, brutal opinions sell- nobody wants to hear two sides of the story; it's too complicated. Look at Fox in the US, or the Sun in the UK. They report opinion, not fact.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

I used to be very anti-Al Jazeera. Then I realized I never saw it at all and only heard a few people say it was anti-'Murrican. Been to the site a few times... didn't see any "terrorist propaganda," in fact, I don't think I saw anything about the War on Terror on the site. Just a bunch of news from all over the world.

And just because they show videos from Al Qaeda, how does that make them bias? I think bias would be ignoring them. I'm not condoning terrorism at all, it's education... know all points of view even if you staunchly disagree with them.

I think more AQ videos should be shown... too many people and politicians think most of the problems in the ME are caused because a bunch of Muslims hate freedom and our prosperity or whatever. Rather see crap I disagree with than completely miss the mark and look like a fool.



**Now I'm not saying it isn't biased, I haven't seen enough of it to make a call. But some of the instant anti-AJ crap I've seen is just sad... some of the "more thought out" reasons aren't that great either (oh no, they disagree with Israeli settlement building, they must be Nazis!!!11)



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 22):
Absurd. Al Qaeda sent them their videos because they are 'local'; I.e, they are not in Atlanta or London. Seems like the logical place to send your propaganda. By that standard, Fox or MSNBC are doing the same.

You still shouldn't ever broadcast that stuff.

Every network in the United States has re-broadcast several Al-Qaeda videos... all have an Al Jazeera watermark. Not only the 'terrorists' broadcast Al Qaeda messages. No reason not to broadcast news anyway.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
Qatar, I already know they're anti-semetic

Everyone in Qatar is anti-Semitic? What, everyone in the Middle East is anti-Semitic too? The fact that the government of Qatar does not recognize the Israeli state does not mean that the people, much less an international news network whose English broadcasting is out of London, is anti-Semitic.

The fact that they wanted to hire Richard Quest, a gay, Jewish anchor, is quite telling.

There are several minorities at Al Jazeera that I've seen, and I'm sure that there are more behind the scenes.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I've never watched BET, Style, Bravo,

I don't watch that either. However, that is based on a knowledge of their content that is based in fact.

I'd recommend that you watch AJE's live stream online, if only for five minutes. Don't worry, as long as you don't click on ads you won't make them a dime. Maybe you'll see something that surprises you.



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 33):
Look at Fox in the US, or the Sun in the UK. They report opinion, not fact.

And you just made your own point.

What does the NY Times do? MSNBC? They ALL do based upon their parent companies agenda.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 33):
Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
Careful, not recognizing Israel as legitimate is not the same as anti-semitism. A view toward a country is not the same as a view toward members of a particular religion.

   Precisely. I consider the occupation of Tibet by China to be illegitimate, but I am not racist against the Chinese.

I agree with this, however lets call it as it is. Israel was founded as a jewish state in 1948.

I just don't see why everyone thinks Cadets views are so outrageous.

A liberal news outlet was purchased by what I would assume to be a rather conservative outlet. Although I have never spent much time on the AJ channel I would have to say we are getting the watered down version. (Just an assumption, forgive me)


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

We've been getting Al Jazeera here in TN for quite a while. I'll occassionally tune in and each time have I have percieved no biased reporting, real or by innuendo. On the other side of the coin, however, Current TV is about as biased as it gets. Cenk Uygur (sp?) makes the old Kieth Olbermann seem like a Republican Party booster. Are they trying to outdo MSNBC's disrespectful rantings?

It'll be interesting to see how this "marriage" works out. Al Gore's marriage didn't, but this $100 million or so in his pockets will allow a few more private jet flights to tell all of us how to save energy. regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 36):
And you just made your own point.

I would hope that was the case in all of my posts......

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 36):
What does the NY Times do? MSNBC? They ALL do based upon their parent companies agenda.

News Corp is a more extreme example in terms of its bias and particularly of its success, hence why I picked on it.

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 36):
Israel was founded as a jewish state in 1948.
I just don't see why everyone thinks Cadets views are so outrageous.

They don't (or I don't at any rate). What people are criticizing is his reluctance to challenge himself by watching something that might contradict those views, even once.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4062 times:
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I feel like people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it has to be. They are a news network in a country that allows free speech. If you don't like them, don't watch them. If this was Sky News US it wouldn't even be a headline. We have news channels for the left and the right that already spew garbage. What are the odds Al Jazeera can top that? Something tells me slim to none, and slim just walked out the door. I say give them a chance to see what they have to offer.
Blue



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 38):
They don't (or I don't at any rate). What people are criticizing is his reluctance to challenge himself by watching something that might contradict those views, even once.

I understand. All I am saying is that he is living in a place that has not exactly been peaceful. We have had a handful of major events happen in the last 100 years here in the US. In that region of the world there is something going on almost every day. Lets not be naive and say there is no violence over there based on religious perceptions. (I dont direct that at you I am just saying, it seems like everyone acts like he has no reason to not at least give them a view.) We are human, of course we will make assumptions and have biases based upon our past and surroundings.

However, to promote peace, sure that is the right thing to do. Give it a chance. And I understand that making some of the comments he has made has made him look worse; however I doubt Cadet watching AJ is going to help others bring peace and I would be willing to bet hes not a violent individual.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 38):
News Corp is a more extreme example in terms of its bias and particularly of its success, hence why I picked on it.

That comment is bias unless you have some data or anything to prove otherwise. Until then, that is opinion and not fact.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

I didn't even know that Current TV was owned by Al Gore. I've watched a few documentaries and they were pretty good and in-depth. They did an excellent job reporting the rising skinhead/nazi gangs in Russia and even did a documentary on my hometown of Gary, Indiana in a series dedicated to America's ghost towns.
Al Jizzera is a decent news source when it comes to non-Middle-East affairs.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 6):
I have seen it a few times and I like what I see. Since they aren't American they don't tow the Democratic Party line, like most of the US TV news shows.


Same here.
I'll even go further and say that Al Jizzera is better than CNN, BBC and MSNBC

Quoting falstaff (Reply 6):
They put out a neat piece about Detroit public schools a few years ago and very few people actually saw it, even in Detroit.


I saw it here in Bangkok.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 7):
The devil is in the details. What you see here on AJ is not even close to what they transmit elsewhere.


That is true but a lot of it is in Arabic so I wouldn't understand what they're saying anyway.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Gore is a hypocritical jackass. he only sold it to AJ because of the money he could acquire before the tax hike on Jan. 1.



Al Gore not paying his 'fair shre' of taxes?
Obama isn't going to like that.
I know Gore has been getting desperate since Obama couldn't get that Cap & Tax....err...Trade bill passed in a Democratic Congress.
That would have made Gore even richer.

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 14):
I don't have much hope seeing how most Americans seem to only be interested in their respective biased news sources. God forbid anyone get a different perspective on global affairs.



I like to watch Russia Today when it comes to international affairs. Sure they have a bias too but I want to see what they have to say.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 18):
The company is headquartered in Doha, which isn't exactly a bastion of jihad terrorism...


I was there recently for work (trip report coming soon) and beer is only available at the 5-star hotels and cost $15 (USD) for a single bottle of beer. That is my definition of hell on earth.
Quoting Rara (Reply 25):
Oh dear. It dawns on me that there's a reason why you're looking for work. Throwing about grossly generalizing and incorrect statements about something you profess to know nothing about isn't really what employers look for in a journalist.


Here's a hint, if you want to be a journalist, have an open mind and do your own research! Treat every subject as if it were completely new to you, dive in and draw your own conclusions. It's the best way to discover interesting facts and viewpoints, and that's what journalism is all about.



Rara, if this was the perfect world then you would be correct. Sadly the world is not perfect and every single news network has a bias. In the US; MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC and Fox ALL have their bias and none of them are ashamed of it either.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I'm a 27 year old Caucasian straight male who is also Jewish.
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I've never watched BET


I wouldn't use the term "boycott". I don't watch BET either but I wouldn't say that I "boycott" the station. There is nothing on their programming that I'm interested in.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I would love to see a COMPLETELY unbiased network, and I know that's a fantasy.


Sad but true.
BTW, what is your opinion of Russia Today? I think it's a decent news network. I know they have their critics and all.

Quoting Mir (Reply 31):
Careful, not recognizing Israel as legitimate is not the same as anti-semitism. A view toward a country is not the same as a view toward members of a particular religion.

Glad you can make that distinction.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 32):
If you cared to watch, you would notice many of the reporters have British accents.


So? Many Islamic hardliners have moved to the UK and have British accents.

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 36):
What does the NY Times do? MSNBC? They ALL do based upon their parent companies agenda.
Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 36):
A liberal news outlet was purchased by what I would assume to be a rather conservative outlet.


Liberals don't mind conservatives just as long as they're not 'Christian' conservatives. Just look at how they fall all over themselves defending Muslims despite the fact that the Muslim faith is far more restrictive and against their own views on freedom, women's rights, gay rights, artistic expression and booze. Liberals turn a blind eye to that. Al Gore even stated that he didn't want Glenn Beck to buy Current TV because Gore didn't like his views.

No point in you all beating up on Cadet985 for having his views in the profession he chooses to work in. So many others such as Soledad O'Brien, Katie Couric, Candy Crawly, Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Matthews, Glenn Beck and many others that have their bias, I think Cadet985 would fit right in.

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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 40):
That comment is bias unless you have some data or anything to prove otherwise. Until then, that is opinion and not fact.

Ah, but I am not a journalist. I can be as biased as I like!



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4066 times:
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Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I'll be responding to replies later today

You forgot it is an Arabic channel   

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I already know they're anti-semetic.

It did not take long, boring. You might want to change your idea about AJ as they do have representatives in Israel.  



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 39):
I feel like people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it has to be. They are a news network in a country that allows free speech. If you don't like them, don't watch them. If this was Sky News US it wouldn't even be a headline. We have news channels for the left and the right that already spew garbage. What are the odds Al Jazeera can top that? Something tells me slim to none, and slim just walked out the door. I say give them a chance to see what they have to offer.
Blue

Agreed.

Personally, I could care less about AJ (as I also did not with Current).

From what I understand AJ is where many OBL tapes originated; and as some have said, they are akin to a hometown news network. I get that, but still, we do have enough "garbage" news in this country that even if they are as reputable as many have stated (I cannot say otherwise) it is already a big enough task to sift through FOX, MSNBC, CNN and the rest of them in order to get one shred of unbiased reporting.


User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4052 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
Liberals don't mind conservatives just as long as they're not 'Christian' conservatives.

Oh I really wasn't implying neither the political parties nor religion per-se; although I suppose there is no way around it. I was just saying Current and Al-Jazeera are on rather different ends of the "spectrum."

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
No point in you all beating up on Cadet985 for having his views in the profession he chooses to work in. So many others such as Soledad O'Brien, Katie Couric, Candy Crawly, Lawrence O'Donnell, Chris Matthews, Glenn Beck and many others that have their bias, I think Cadet985 would fit right in.

  

I wasnt trying to drum up a political/religious debate. I just felt like some were being too critical of Cadet.
Thats my   


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
Russia Today

Good channel. I really should watch it more; it gives an interesting perspective, similar to Al Jazeera.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 45):
Oh I really wasn't implying neither the political parties nor religion per-se; although I suppose there is no way around it. I was just saying Current and Al-Jazeera are on rather different ends of the "spectrum."




I know you weren't but it's inevitable on a topic like this.

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 45):
I wasnt trying to drum up a political/religious debate. I just felt like some were being too critical of Cadet.
Thats my



Agreed. There aren't that many young conservative Jewish people in media. so I say more power to Cadet985. Aside from Henry A. Kissinger, Gene Simmons and Matt Drudge, I can't think of that many.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 46):
Good channel. I really should watch it more; it gives an interesting perspective, similar to Al Jazeera.


...and they even did a short piece on the Zil limousine.  



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 36):
I just don't see why everyone thinks Cadets views are so outrageous.

A journalist that "boycotts" a news network without ever having once watched it? I find that outrageous.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 37):
Cenk Uygur

His views aren't any more extreme than some of the other personalities over there...he's just much, much more obnoxious about it.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
I like to watch Russia Today when it comes to international affairs. Sure they have a bias too but I want to see what they have to say.

I like to watch RT whenever I'm in a hotel, and I think they're great. I've heard some criticisms of them being "anti-American" and overly "pro-Putin", but I've never witnessed it first hand.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
I was there recently for work (trip report coming soon) and beer is only available at the 5-star hotels and cost $15 (USD) for a single bottle of beer. That is my definition of hell on earth.

So how much damage did you do on the company's expense account?         

Looking forward to the TR!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
So? Many Islamic hardliners have moved to the UK and have British accents.

I was referring more to actual Brits. I'm basically making the point that many of their reporters aren't Arabic.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
...I am an aspiring journalist desperate for work
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):Have you watched AJE?
Never have, never will.

I am intrigued that you wish to become a journalist. Well I suppose that is a bit different to wanting to become a reporter. I might expect a reporter to do a bit of research, a bit of digging around to see what can be uncovered, rather than simply saying the first thing that pops into his head. Perhaps a journalist doesn't need to apply the same standards. Writing a "journal" can be limited to superficial impressions rather than investigative reporting.

If you are prepared to dismiss information simply because of the source then you will possibly only get half the story. I mean, if I hate my next door neighbour should I really ignore his warning that my house is on fire? Should I risk my house burning down because I will never support someone that I hate?

I have travelled in the MENA region and seen Al Jazeera broadcasts and you know what? I was in Morocco when they reported the arrest of a man on a plane trying to set fire to his underpants. The reporting was no different to the BBC and CNN's version of events. At no stage did they commiserate with the arrested person or bemoan the failure of an attempt to bring down an aircraft.

Now I am not suggesting that you swallow everything AJ says, any more than you swallow whatever line is adopted by any other paper, but if you wish to become a serious journalist, rather than a penny-a-line hack, you may wish to reconsider at least looking at sources before evaluating them.

I can understand your not wishing to work for AJ, but to dismiss actually watching it out of hand does suggest a lack of objectivity. A lack of objectivity is what is wanted by some media barons. But then you run the risk of ceasing to be either a reporter or a journalist and simply become a propagandist.

PS. Should you ever wish to work for Israeli intelligence, you may find that watching foreign media footage sometimes confirms the whereabouts of people in whom you might be interested and with whom they are meeting. That may or may not be useful. Don't watch and you don't know.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 48):
A journalist that "boycotts" a news network without ever having once watched it? I find that outrageous.



Hate to say it but that is common. A friend of mine's girlfriend has a cushy job for Reuters here in Bangkok. She has made comments many extreme comments like Cadet but is is hardcore left-wing. Some of the comments she has made as fact about the United States and international affairs really has me scratching my head about how & why she managed to get a sweet expat package position at a respected news organization such as Reuters. They're from The Netherlands by the way.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 48):
I've heard some criticisms of them being "anti-American"


Some can say MSNBC and CNN are anti-American as well.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 48):
and overly "pro-Putin


Plenty of pro-Obama news outlets in the US.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 48):
So how much damage did you do on the company's expense account?


Not much at all. I worked twice as hard to finish early and get the hell out of the place.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 48):
I was referring more to actual Brits. I'm basically making the point that many of their reporters aren't Arabic.


That can very well be for show. Not to mention, unemployment is high in Europe as well as the US so many young attractive aspiring reporters may take a job at a network in another country. Even myself as an American took a job here in Thailand (although I'm not in media) since there isn't much going on back in the US.
Probably less than 30% of the entire population in Qatar are local Qatari. Most of the people there are Indian, Bangladeshi, Filipino and other Arab countries. The locals are very wealthy and don't really need to work.
Keep in mind, Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways have mostly non-locals as their flight attendants and customer service. On my BKK-DOH flight on Qatar Airways, I didn't see a single Qatari flight attendant. They rounded up hot babes from other countries to do the job. It's all for show.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Apparently TWC is beginning to back off keeping off Al Jazeera America, a proposed channel in process of being assembled because of them coming off like a bunch of jerks. I suspect that the parent co of TWC is based in heavily Jewish and pro-Israel NY City had something to do with their initial knee-jerk reaction with it. I suspect like any other big corporation, they despised Current TV and it's strong 'liberal' bias and it's poor ratings. I wonder if like many cable channels TWC will have to pay a per customer license fee, that is how many cable/dish channels get the revenues to survive and they don't want to pay any more for programing than they want to.

AJ already has a significant staff in New York City for it's general and international 'English' channels, this would just expand it and taking up an established space in the cable channels. There is no doubt that AJ is a well respected news channel, they cover the ME and Islamic world far better and much more critically, without a pro-Israel bias, than the media of other countries in that part of the world and in the USA.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 33):
I'm afraid I disagree here. Neutrality is hardly the most sought-after quality these days in journalism. Shocking, brutal opinions sell- nobody wants to hear two sides of the story; it's too complicated. Look at Fox in the US, or the Sun in the UK. They report opinion, not fact.

Niches. Yes, there's Fox News and there's The Sun, and there's MSNBC perhaps as well, but those aren't representative of the media landscape as a whole. I'd say 95%+ of journalists work for a respectable outlet that tries to deliver information to its viewers or readers. And by the way, a "bias" is not a crime if you're fair and honest about it. We all have opinions abou certain matters, and why shouldn't we. After all we're just human. The question is whether we still give all the information we have and let the viewer make their own judgement, or whether we deliberately distort and twist the information so that the viewer has no chance to form an own opinion.

Some here put Fox News and CNN in the same bucket, with which I disagree entirely. CNN, for all its shortcomings, still deals in information. Fox deals in opinions. Of course Cadet985 can aspire to become a conservative talking head of the likes of Glenn Beck, and for that he wouldn't need to watch Al-Jazeera to have an opinion about it, but then he would have to be really, really, really good at what he does. Let's not forget these people are exceptional - they totally know what they're doing, never lose the script, and never let their audience out of sight. If Cadet985 can do that, then more power to him.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Awesome. Should be something decent to watch at the hotel next time I transit LAX. Its always good to see the expansion of a reputable news network.

The truth is that on the whole, Al Jazeera has a very high standard of reporting, equal to (and at times exceeding that) that of the BBC, France24, Deutsche Welle and other such highly regarded news networks. Much better than the rubbish international coverage broadcast by Fox, MSNBC, ABC, Sky and the like.

They do some great investigative journalism also, this year breaking the story of Polonium 210 on Yasser Arafat's hospital clothing.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 12):

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
Have you watched AJE?

Never have, never will. I do not support terrorists.

85% of people at Al Jazeera are westerners (most of them white), according to one of my school teachers who now works there.

Anyway, go to aljazeera.com and click 'live stream'. You won't see a bunch of jihaddis dancing around some burning american or israeli flags, but (as of the time of writing) a round-table of 'experts' discussing Bolivia's cocaine problem. Oh and the only commercials are for Qatar Airways. 

If you are looking for a bordering-on-crazy arab broadcaster, try Al Arabia.
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I don't want a network that's going to always say that one side is always right or wrong.

If you watched their recent coverage of the Gaza-Israel war you would have seen that they certainly don't always say that one side is right/wrong.


Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 35):
The fact that they wanted to hire Richard Quest, a gay, Jewish anchor, is quite telling.

+ meth user.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
I like to watch Russia Today when it comes to international affairs. Sure they have a bias too but I want to see what they have to say.

   If you look past all the America bashing and Putin Ass kissing, there is actually some fairly decent reporting. As you mention, it is always interesting to hear opposing/differing view points to those commonly reported by western sources.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
Sadly the world is not perfect and every single news network has a bias.

   And one's best 'defence' against this is to get one's news from a wide variety of news sources.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 37):
Cenk Uygur

The left's version of Hannity.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
They're supported by the Qatar Government, a staunch ally of the US. The US has it's Central Command located at Al Udeid Air Base. Qatar built the facilities for the US.



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Quoting Rara (Reply 52):
And by the way, a "bias" is not a crime if you're fair and honest about it.



Everyone knows that Fox has a bias. CNN pretends to not have a bias.
If you want good informed news from a left-leaning source in the US, you may want to tune in to National Public Radio (NPR).
It's boring & bland and that is how I like my news presented. No opinions, no temper tantrums, no one blowing a gasket, no shouting down and snide remarks. Just straight forward and monotone.

Quoting Rara (Reply 52):
Some here put Fox News and CNN in the same bucket, with which I disagree entirely.


They are exactly the same and equally annoying at times. Fox can be entertaining because of all of their anger they display but CNN is an insult to my intelligence. I don't come away from any of their news feeling like I've learned something. After watching CNN news programs, I feel like I just wasted too much time with a telemarketer or used car salesman.

Quoting Rara (Reply 52):
CNN, for all its shortcomings, still deals in information. Fox deals in opinions.


So does CNN.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 53):
And one's best 'defence' against this is to get one's news from a wide variety of news sources.


Agreed!
I can't imagine anyone in this day & age relying solely on one source for news. I always get a chuckle when someone 'accuses' me of watching Fox news. I get my news from multiple sources and my favorite source of news in the US is National Public Radio - you can't get more liberal than that.



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3792 times:
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A great 60 minutes bit on Qatar that talks about Al Jazeera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_ZuXbOtBbo


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2728 posts, RR: 8
Reply 56, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

The funny thing is that the real story is Al Gore pushing the sale through before the new year to avoid taxes and also Mr global warming and his global warming channel being sold to a big oil state. Priceless...


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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 52):
I'd say 95%+ of journalists work for a respectable outlet that tries to deliver information to its viewers or readers.

That may be true (although I suspect the figure is considerably less than 95%). That's not the point though- I'm not arguing that there are no respectable news outfits; just that to say, as many on this thread have done, that somebody will never have a career in journalism because they are too opinionated is demonstrably false.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
If you want good informed news from a left-leaning source in the US, you may want to tune in to National Public Radio (NPR).
It's boring & bland and that is how I like my news presented. No opinions, no temper tantrums, no one blowing a gasket, no shouting down and snide remarks. Just straight forward and monotone.

My wife always tunes into NPR and it is indeed a good source of information, but something grates on me about that monotone- it really is boring sounding. I think I might be too lowbrow for NPR; I want a bit of shouting every now and then.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 58, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 56):
The funny thing is that the real story is Al Gore pushing the sale through before the new year to avoid taxes and also Mr global warming and his global warming channel being sold to a big oil state. Priceless...


           
I hope Al Gore puts the money in a lock box.
What would the carbon tax be on that sale since it's coming from a fossil-fuel revenue source?


Some blowback already with TimeWarner dropping the channel:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20896484




Soon after the deal was announced, Time Warner Cable dropped Current from its line-up, indicating the struggle that Al Jazeera may face in expanding in the US.

"Our agreement with Current has been terminated and we will no longer be carrying the service. We are removing the service as quickly as possible," the nation's second-largest TV operator said.

It had warned it would drop Current in the past due its low ratings.


Quoting zckls04 (Reply 57):
I think I might be too lowbrow for NPR; I want a bit of shouting every now and then.



Haha! I know what you mean.  
When Fox becomes too predictable, I go to Newsmax or PJTV.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 59, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 50):

QR not having Qatari hostesses could be due to the fact that this profession is a not approved for women by local culture, while its a well known fcat for Saudii Arabia, but its also true for the rest of the Gulf states as well.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 60, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Their Arabic website regularly published Bin Laden's speeches

So did FoxNews.

So I assume you are refusing to watch FoxNews for the same reason.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 61, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 59):
QR not having Qatari hostesses could be due to the fact that this profession is a not approved for women by local culture, while its a well known fcat for Saudii Arabia, but its also true for the rest of the Gulf states as well.



Ok I see. I was told that it wasn't a highly respect or high paying job and most of the locals are very wealthy.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 61):

Yes its considred not respecatble by alot of people even here in my country, but in Arabia women travelling alone and over nighting especially with strange men around is another factor that is not approved.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 63, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 57):
somebody will never have a career in journalism because they are too opinionated is demonstrably false.

Opinion does not equal blind prejudice about something that a journalist hasn't even tried to get to know - at all. I would welcome an opinion like "I do not like Al Jazeera because when they covered story X I found them to be very biased and I didn't like the Y thing". Saying "I do not watch AJ because I do not support terrorism" is not an opinion, at least not one that makes someone opinionated in the sense that you talk about.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7585 posts, RR: 18
Reply 64, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 60):
So I assume you are refusing to watch FoxNews for the same reason.

Well FOX posts them to show how despicable Bin Laden was and why we rightfully should've been over there bombing the place.

But alas times have changed



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 64):
Well FOX posts them to show how despicable Bin Laden was and why we rightfully should've been over there bombing the place.

And Al Jazeera posts them to glorify jihad?

Are you kidding?

Every network, from NHK to BBC to Al Jazeera airs those tapes because the qualify as news.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 64):
But alas times have changed

Apparently not. People are still of the opinion that middle east = terrorists. I'd hope for a slightly improved level of thinking in the 21st century.


If any of you bothered to go and see AJE's website you'd see what they are.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 66, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 62):
Yes its considred not respecatble by alot of people even here in my country, but in Arabia women travelling alone and over nighting especially with strange men around is another factor that is not approved.



So does Al Gore lose his feminist credibility for this?
20 years ago, such a deal would have triggered a boycott and black listing for any businesses doing business in a country that had institutionalized discrimination - ie Apartheid era South Africa.



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3594 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 63):
Saying "I do not watch AJ because I do not support terrorism" is not an opinion, at least not one that makes someone opinionated in the sense that you talk about.

Read the whole thread instead of just one post- it's precisely the sense I'm talking about.



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 68, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3584 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 67):
Read the whole thread instead of just one post

Thanks, I have and I still stand by what I said. The OP was never criticized for being strongly opinionated but for being close-minded and judging things based on his personal prejudice. You cannot have an opinion on something you know nothing about (and even characterizing something as being related to terrorism just because it has an Arab name), especially if (as a journalist) you want that opinion to be taken seriously. For example, I cannot express a (serious) opinion on how roast kangaroo tastes like, since I haven't tried it and probably don't want to try it anyway. Nobody on this thread said that you cannot get a job as a journalist if you have a personal opinion or even if you would want to express that opinion through journalism. Its prejudice that would be a big barrier for such a career and it is pretty obvious throughout this thread.


User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 68):
You cannot have an opinion on something you know nothing about (and even characterizing something as being related to terrorism just because it has an Arab name),

His reasoning was because the name is Arabic? I must have missed that bit. You should become a journalist!

Quoting lewis (Reply 68):
Its prejudice that would be a big barrier for such a career

Clearly not true. Draw yourself a graph of circulation vs sensationalism in the media and there will be a correlation of pretty close to one.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):

Apatthied South Africa was black people being treated like shit by whites, not about preventing womenof their own race and culture from doing certain jobs that they consider not suitable for them, i'm sure Qatari women work freely in other fields and go to co-ed institues plus for studies abroad, ALONE, women who do that might become pilots but not cabin crew.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 70):



It's still discrimination based on gender. Plenty of trial lawyers in Al Gore's circle would find this discriminatory.



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User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 64):
Well FOX posts them to show how despicable Bin Laden was and why we rightfully should've been over there bombing the place.

Did you attend any Fox News editorial meetings when the decisions were made to show Bin Laden tapes? If you did not, and I presume that you did not, then you cannot say why Fox News chose to broadcast said tapes. You are making an assumption without the relevant and necessary knowledge to back up your assertion.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 56):
sold to a big oil state

IIRC, Al Jazeera isn't owned by the government.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 64):
Well FOX posts them to show how despicable Bin Laden was and why we rightfully should've been over there bombing the place.

Ah, so Fox shows the tapes and gets praised for showing how evil OBL is, but when Al Jazeera shows the exact same tapes, they're condemned as propagating terrorist materials? I'll put it in mathematical terms:

Let x represent an OBL tape.
Let x1 represent the tape shown by Fox.
Let x2 represent the tape shown by AJ.

x1 = x2

Therefore, the model shows that an unedited tape shown by Fox equals an unedited tape shown by Al Jazeera.

So, I ask you this, how is Fox showing a tape any different than Al Jazeera showing an identical tape? (hint: it has something to do with how the biased viewer interprets it, and nothing to do with the actual network)

Quoting 777way (Reply 70):
Apatthied South Africa was black people being treated like shit by whites, not about preventing womenof their own race and culture from doing certain jobs that they consider not suitable for them, i'm sure Qatari women work freely in other fields and go to co-ed institues plus for studies abroad, ALONE, women who do that might become pilots but not cabin crew.

Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. Women should be free to do whichever job they please.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3329 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 56):
The funny thing is that the real story is Al Gore pushing the sale through before the new year to avoid taxes and also Mr global warming and his global warming channel being sold to a big oil state. Priceless...

Al Gore also agreed to change his name to Al Jazeera as part of the terms of the sale.....   



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 57):
That may be true (although I suspect the figure is considerably less than 95%). That's not the point though- I'm not arguing that there are no respectable news outfits; just that to say, as many on this thread have done, that somebody will never have a career in journalism because they are too opinionated is demonstrably false.

Saying that somebody will never have a career as a pilot simply because they are irresponsible and have a slight alcohol problem is also demonstrably false; and yet, if you professed both on a public forum, people wouldn't exactly advice you to start a piloting career.

I'm not denying that Cadet985 has all the potential in the world to be a bad journalist, but if the question is whether he seems to have what it takes, it would have to be a no.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 69):
His reasoning was because the name is Arabic? I must have missed that bit. You should become a journalist!

His reasoning was that he didn't have a reasoning. He just sort of... claimed it. So since he must have had some basis for his opinion, it may as well have been the network's name, because that one he certainly knew.



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 75):
I'm not denying that Cadet985 has all the potential in the world to be a bad journalist, but if the question is whether he seems to have what it takes, it would have to be a no.

You are defining what is good or bad in journalism. I however am making an objective judgment rather than a value judgment.

Quoting Rara (Reply 75):
His reasoning was that he didn't have a reasoning. He just sort of... claimed it. So since he must have had some basis for his opinion, it may as well have been the network's name, because that one he certainly knew.

In other words, you fabricated his reasons.



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 8):

Quoting mham001 (Reply 8):
The devil is in the details. What you see here on AJ is not even close to what they transmit elsewhere.

Correct...Gilded lilies!. In comes Obama the Trojan Horse...Next...re-election, a weakened and troubled US economy and social structure...Another WA D.C. whore sells out for profit...AL- Jazeera sets up shop in New York City of all places. Guess who will buy the US government?...Muslim brotherhood. Might as well, they do a better job where communication is concerned. If I didn't hear it with my own ears, I would not have believed it. But don't think your coming for the guns now!

Wow, and you're saying Al Jazeera are hysterical, paranoid ideologues !?

Al Jazeera English is one of the best news channels in the world today. Don't take my word for it. Do a search on the US and international journalism awards they have received. They are on a par with BBC World, DW, SBS and others.

I am no fan of Islam in many of its current forms, nor a great admirer of Qatar in particular, but that Fox and Friends watchers think this transaction is a clear sign of the end of civilisation only reveals the quality of their "information" sources.



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User currently onlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1622 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

The cable company that carries Al Jazeera here is half owned by News Corp. So you can switch between Fox News & Al Jazeera.....


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 79, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 73):
Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. Women should be free to do whichever job they please.

Is it discrimination? what if the same woman is being encouraged to beccome something deemed more respectable maybe a craeer in banking or an airline employee on the ground with greater potential of progressing to managent or higher? its not like theyre being stopped fom working all together.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 80, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2938 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 79):
its not like theyre being stopped fom working all together.

Are they or are they not? Should treat all genders the same. I take it a bit further though... let women be body guards or other "manly" jobs, but do NOT lower the minimum qualifications for that job. If that means that women are open to a job but they can't meet the mins, don't cry discrimination



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 81, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 79):
Is it discrimination? what if the same woman is being encouraged to beccome something deemed more respectable maybe a craeer in banking or an airline employee on the ground with greater potential of progressing to managent or higher? its not like theyre being stopped fom working all together.

Yes, it is discrimination. Who are you to decide what they can or cannot do? If women want to do a menial job, let them. It should be their choice.

But we're flying off topic here...



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2917 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 76):
You are defining what is good or bad in journalism. I however am making an objective judgment rather than a value judgment.

We're both subjective. You said, for instance, "Neutrality is hardly the most sought-after quality these days in journalism. Shocking, brutal opinions sell- nobody wants to hear two sides of the story". In the end that's just your opinion; the editor of The Sun might disagree entirely. I happen to agree with your opinion, largely, but it's still rather subjective.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 76):
In other words, you fabricated his reasons.

Well you replied to Lewis, not me. But - yeah. It was an assumption. That stuff happens on an internet forum.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 83, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 81):

I'm not deciding for any one, just telling you of how things might be working in their cultture the little I know of it, even I as a guy in my country have faced discouragment from just about everyone I knew when I wanted to become a steward.

Yes back to the topic.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 84, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 69):
His reasoning was because the name is Arabic?

No, it was just an expression. His reasoning was because it is a channel associated with terrorists/spewing terrorist propaganda (how does he know if he has never watched?)/based in an Arab country. Does that make it better, or even different at all?

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 69):
Clearly not true. Draw yourself a graph of circulation vs sensationalism in the media and there will be a correlation of pretty close to one.

So just because someone works in a rag that happens to sell a lot means they are a good journalist or a journalist at all? I thought we were talking about having a somehow respectable career, especially considering the OP's search for unbiased media sources. Again, we are not talking about slight bias or a matter of opinion, this is pure prejudice but I guess you can't spot it. We will have to agree to disagree on this.

[Edited 2013-01-09 17:18:53]

User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 85, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

I can't believe the hatred over something people know so little about.

Actually, coming from the right-wing, yes I can. And it is sad.

All we have been hearing is "You hate FOX because they broadcast the truth!" when, in reality, they just broadcast their version of what they want people to see. Same with CNN. MSNBC does not even pretend to be news, so I won't bother with them. These same people who hate Current, I bet, have never even watched 10 seconds of it because they don't want their view of the United States changed from what FOX says it is.

Let me explain my stand, once again (not that anyone will even read this): I watch FOX, then watch MSNBC *OR* listen to Randi Rhodes/Ed Schultz, etc. and read other web sites and figure it out for myself. I (and many "liberals") do too.

Here is what I think: People do not want to see what is going on outside their own right-wing American world. Al-Jazeera, Deutche Welle, NHK, BBC, etc. focus on world events and show news from all over. FOX hates that because that makes people think. That gives people differing opinions. And cuts into the market share for FOX.

All you who hate Al-Jazeera, let me ask you this: To stay with your line of reasoning, does this mean that NHK is in bed with the North Koreans because they run stories on North Korea? Deutche Welle is communist because they run long stories about Russia? BBC is anti-Isreal because they run Palastinian stories? Therefore, according to you, we should never ever watch any of those news broadcasts because they are in bed with the enemy, right?



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User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 86, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

From what I have read about the sale is that the employees are pissed because Mr. Green Al Gore sold the Current TV to a company that gets their primary operating funds from oil. I personally do not care about Al-Jazeera, if you want to watch it, watch it, if you don't, don't. It is the hypocrisy of Al Gore that was the issue from my understanding.

User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1380 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 82):
We're both subjective. You said, for instance, "Neutrality is hardly the most sought-after quality these days in journalism. Shocking, brutal opinions sell- nobody wants to hear two sides of the story". In the end that's just your opinion; the editor of The Sun might disagree entirely. I happen to agree with your opinion, largely, but it's still rather subjective.

Well I guess so- although it would be a bit tough to argue that the Sun and the Mail are less opinionated and sensationalist than, say, the Telegraph or the Herald Tribune (or even the Guardian) and certainly also tough to argue they exhibit less journalistic bias.

If you accept those admittedly subjective opinions then the circulation figures tell you the rest of the story.

Quoting Rara (Reply 82):
Well you replied to Lewis, not me. But - yeah. It was an assumption. That stuff happens on an internet forum.

Doh! You're right- my apologies.

Quoting lewis (Reply 84):
No, it was just an expression.

It wasn't a casual turn of phrase, but a specifically targeted one intended to portray the OP as hating all Arabs, and you know it. You might be right and he might just be a huge racist, but since his most coherent reasoning thus far has been political (the Qatari government, who control Al-Jazeera, do not view Israel as legitimate/he disagrees with their editorial decision to air OBL tapes), it's highly unfair to label him as such without any evidence. Not only that but it's the lazy, easy way out; don't bother to find out somebody's motivations- just call them a racist.

Quoting lewis (Reply 84):
So just because someone works in a rag that happens to sell a lot means they are a good journalist or a journalist at all? I thought we were talking about having a somehow respectable career, especially considering the OP's search for unbiased media sources

No, we were talking about the OP being able to find a job as a journalist. Nothing to do with what you or I consider "respectable".

Quoting lewis (Reply 84):
Again, we are not talking about slight bias or a matter of opinion, this is pure prejudice but I guess you can't spot it.

I happen to disagree with everything he has said, as you'd know if you had read the whole thread . But I am quite able to explain why without resorting to a straw man racism gambit. After all, in the end it doesn't make for a very interesting debate; it's just basically playground name calling.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 88, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 85):
Let me explain my stand, once again (not that anyone will even read this): I watch FOX, then watch MSNBC *OR* listen to Randi Rhodes/Ed Schultz, etc. and read other web sites and figure it out for myself. I (and many "liberals") do too.

That is the way to do it, as long as you listen with an open mind. I used to "listen" to some liberal media, but it was only recently that I listed with an open mind. Changed some views, but not others, but now I am pretty certain with what I believe in, not just believing in blind ignorance

Quoting seb146 (Reply 85):
All you who hate Al-Jazeera, let me ask you this:

I think some got caught with their pants down. They went on about how biased Al-Jazeera was, probably never saw it or anything, and when confronted, they had nothing and just started spouting BS. I haven't seen anything compelling from the AJ crowd... only "I just know it's bad." I hate when people bring up the race card, but I honestly think a lot of people don't trust them because they are from an Arab country and have an Arab sounding name

Heck, I used to be anti-AJ. Would make jokes and thought negatively of it, based off other people's hearsay... then I went on their website and realized "oh, hm, just like BBC, CNN, FOX, etc." I can't say they AREN'T biased, but just looking at the website seemed pretty reasonable... I thought it was gonna be showing how bad the US and glorifying the mujaheddin and the Lions of Islam and all that...



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 89, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 87):
as you'd know if you had read the whole thread

For the nth time, please stop pointing me to read the thread again and again. I have, thank you very much.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 88):
FOX

Now that's unreasonable. Al Jazeera (and every foreign news channel that is respectable) is infinitely superior to any of that garbage. Most of the foreign channels have much less of a bias than the American channels.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 91, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 90):
Now that's unreasonable. Al Jazeera (and every foreign news channel that is respectable) is infinitely superior to any of that garbage. Most of the foreign channels have much less of a bias than the American channels.

I didn't mean it like that, I meant that it's a news agency and it wasn't just OsamaTube



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 92, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 88):
They went on about how biased Al-Jazeera was, probably never saw it or anything, and when confronted, they had nothing and just started spouting BS.

I have only seen a few stories by Al-Jazeera. I do know that I feel more informed when I watch NHK, BBC, or DW than watching FOX. And, for the record, I have seen Al-Jazeera female reporters. Talk about shock and awe!

I really wish the FOX tin hat crowd would read. Just a little bit. Not just what FOX wants them to read but what the rest of the world already knows. Even if they don't agree with it. Not all Islam is bad. Not all Palastine is bad.

To those right-wingers angred that someone would want to gain a profit: Isn't that what you want? Job creators? Multi-billionares to create jobs? People do that all the time on Wall St. and none of you have a problem with it. Suddenly, one person does it and it is the worst thing ever? Over a network you hated or never heard of in the first place? Really???



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 91):

I misunderstood--I apologize.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 92):
I have only seen a few stories by Al-Jazeera. I do know that I feel more informed when I watch NHK, BBC, or DW than watching FOX. And, for the record, I have seen Al-Jazeera female reporters. Talk about shock and awe!

It really provides a good viewpoint on things that is untainted.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 92):
I really wish the FOX tin hat crowd would read. Just a little bit. Not just what FOX wants them to read but what the rest of the world already knows. Even if they don't agree with it. Not all Islam is bad. Not all Palastine is bad.

   Couldn't agree more...


I'm curious as to were the OP went. Said he would return and answer prods but never did...



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 94, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 77):
Wow, and you're saying Al Jazeera are hysterical, paranoid ideologues !?


Al Jazeera is Qatar owned. Qatar just approved the opening of a public office of the Taliban in their country. I have watched Al Jazeera and was quite impressed with it but I'm no fool, it was the sanitized version for the west. It is the very same Al Jazeera that continually broadcast Bin Laden tapes and anti American rhetoric to his followers over the years.

Truth is, I not much for the news anymore anyway no matter what organization conveys their messages. Real journalism is dead.   


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 94):
Al Jazeera is Qatar owned. Q

If you are basing it off that, then I could make ridiculous assumptions about every major news agency in the world, especially Western ones. (BBC is English? Then they must support imperialism and the squashing of local peoples all around the world.) Qatar is not filled to the brim with lunatics unlike some here would like people to believe; not everyone is a terrorist.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 94):
it was the sanitized version for the west. It is the very same Al Jazeera that continually broadcast Bin Laden tapes and anti American rhetoric to his followers over the years.

Al Jazeera received Osama's tapes because they are the only major Middle Eastern news network. Bin Laden wouldn't have simply posted a VHS to Atlanta....

All major news channels have picked up on every single tape and aired them once Al Jazeera has... Fox is not filled with jihadists, is it?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 96, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 94):
anti American rhetoric

        
Was AJ being anti-American, or were they just broadcasting someone/organization with anti-American rhetoric? Only a fool would ignore what the enemy has to say, and not airing anti-American bias is in itself biased.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 94):
broadcast Bin Laden tapes

Which legitimate news organizations didn't? He was a hugely controversial figure responsible for the deaths of thousands, why wouldn't AJ air it? BBC, CNN, FOX all aired OBL videos.

It probably helped that OBL spoke in Arabic... on AJ in Arabic it's easier to play without translation, and for AJE, I'm sure the staff is able to pick out and understand his videos a lot easier



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 97, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

The irony of many complaining about Al-Jazeera being a terrorist News Network is that NewsCorp (FOX's parent company)'s second largest owner (Mr Al-Waleed bin Talal - the same guy who bought himself a private Airbus A380) partially owns a network called Rotana. Rotana's subsidiary, Al Risala, (run by a muslim-brotherhood member) is probably the most anti-american/anti-western/anti-jewish network in the middle-east.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...rupert_murdochs_ikhwannabe_tv.html

http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/gore-deal-follows-murdoch-into-arab-tv/

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 77):
Al Jazeera English is one of the best news channels in the world today.

  

Quoting seb146 (Reply 85):
Here is what I think: People do not want to see what is going on outside their own right-wing American world. Al-Jazeera, Deutche Welle, NHK, BBC, etc. focus on world events and show news from all over. FOX hates that because that makes people think. That gives people differing opinions. And cuts into the market share for FOX.

   I don't think FOX likes the competition... if its viewers were open minded enough to watch Al-Jazeera (or BBC etc), networks such as FOX would be toast.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 92):
I have seen Al-Jazeera female reporters.

They have loads of female reporters/presenters/correspondents.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 98, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 94):
Al Jazeera is Qatar owned.

   No it's not. It receives some funding from the Qatari government for being based there, but the government does not outright own it.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 94):
the very same Al Jazeera that continually broadcast Bin Laden tapes

If you read the rest of this thread you would realize how irrelevant this statement is.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 94):
it was the sanitized version for the west

You speak Arabic? How do you know what they're saying in the"unsanitized" version? I look forward to hearing how you came to this conclusion.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 99, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2449 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 98):
You speak Arabic? How do you know what they're saying in the"unsanitized" version? I look forward to hearing how you came to this conclusion.



Here in the US, one does not have to be fluent in arabic to see what is going on. On the other hand, you have have to be an idiot to deny the existance of an islamic push here in the US. Al Jazeere will glaze themselves with honey to get the very response from westerners that you demonstrate.
Look up in the dictionary, the word "Propaganda". During WWII, the British used it more than any other country. I have been a journalist for a large part of my career. If you want to challenge me, tell me something I don't know.


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3477 posts, RR: 17
Reply 100, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2431 times:
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Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 99):
If you want to challenge me, tell me something I don't know.

How about this, in the Arab world Al Jazeera is considered to be too pro west especially the USA. Just go back to the Egyptian revolution last year and how there offices were attacked.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 101, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 99):

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 98):
You speak Arabic? How do you know what they're saying in the"unsanitized" version? I look forward to hearing how you came to this conclusion.



Here in the US, one does not have to be fluent in arabic to see what is going on

In other words, you have nothing? That's what it sounds like. You don't understand what they are saying, "you just know"

If it is so obvious, I'm sure you can easily come up with a good, solid piece of evidence



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 102, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 99):
Al Jazeere will glaze themselves with honey to get the very response from westerners that you demonstrate.

As does FOX. I see and hear right-wingers all the time every day in real life quoting FOX like it is the Bible. But it is not. FOX is so biased and out of balanced but no one notices because they peddle fear and hate toward anything that is not white and Christian.

I trust reporting from Al-Jazeera more than FOX.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 99):
During WWII, the British used it more than any other country

Yes... during the second bloody world war.


What war is Al Jazeera fighting? Trying to convert everyone to Islam?



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 104, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 103):

This is just going to be one of those go nowhere thread arguments that I am going to refrain from. If you are one of those in this country that has lost touch with the big picture...your actually blessed as ignorance is bliss...I'm jealous!...and I mean it in the true sense of the word...I wish I never gave a damn...problem is, I do.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 105, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 104):
This is just going to be one of those go nowhere thread arguments that I am going to refrain from. If you are one of those in this country that has lost touch with the big picture...your actually blessed as ignorance is bliss...I'm jealous!...and I mean it in the true sense of the word...I wish I never gave a damn...problem is, I do.

No, please, I'm trying to understand too. You haven't really given us anything solid, you've been kinda vague and it seems a bit dodgy... just trying to get where you are coming from!



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 104):
This is just going to be one of those go nowhere thread arguments that I am going to refrain from. If you are one of those in this country that has lost touch with the big picture...your actually blessed as ignorance is bliss...I'm jealous!...and I mean it in the true sense of the word...I wish I never gave a damn...problem is, I do.

One of those in this country that has lost the big picture?

So, because I know that I am not one of those that thinks that all Muslims are terrorists? Because I want a worldwide view and not just a US-centered one? Because I realize that a valid news channel is not merely terrorist propaganda?

And I am ignorant?

Apparently, I am the one that has lost sense of the 'big picture' by being aware of what happens in the rest of the world... which you seem to refuse to do. You even admitted that you don't understand a word of what the Arabic channel is saying and yet you still insist that I am the one that is in bliss. I'm sorry, but the 'big picture' includes more than just the United States, believe it or not. We are not the only people on the planet.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 97):
Quoting seb146 (Reply 92):I have seen Al-Jazeera female reporters.
They have loads of female reporters/presenters/correspondents.

Add to that un-hijabed in western attire, some with rather exposed chest area like wearing a low cut T shirt with jacket on top to make it look professional (I think BBC started this trend), infact most are non-arabs and non-muslims, perhaps even majority from the west, and they are definitely not the dumb blonde / eye candy variety.

[Edited 2013-01-16 08:50:35]

User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 108, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 105):
just trying to get where you are coming from!

Fair enough...I'm at work and typically avoid a/net while here as I'm not being paid to chat so I will make an attempt at making a concise point later on. I have real issues with the direction this country has been going and for many reasons. In all fairness, I'll try to consolidate my perspective as to be clearly understood.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 106):
And I am ignorant?

Don't mean it in the derogatory sense, sorry...but I suppose how else would you take it...later...


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 108):
I have real issues with the direction this country has been going and for many reasons.

Don't we all.

And what, exactly, does this have to do with a foreign news network?

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 108):
Don't mean it in the derogatory sense, sorry

I didn't take it personally, rather in the general sense.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 108):
I will make an attempt at making a concise point later on.

I'm awaiting this. Our esteemed OP said he would do this and never showed his face.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 110, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Keep waiting, it seems to be a new ploy by these posters when they dont have answers, so the topic fizzles and is forgotten.

User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2986 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 110):

Keep waiting, it seems to be a new ploy by these posters when they dont have answers, so the topic fizzles and is forgotten.


Yes; they are fantastically militant about their position, but when one asks the 'why' they disappear as if by magic... merely proving our point and discrediting theirs.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 112, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
work for a network that spews terrorist propaganda

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elJazeera does NOT "spew terrorist propaganda". To dislike the company is your right, but here you clearly go too far.

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
hope the FCC blocks this, or that all the major cable/satellite outlets refuse to carry it.

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The FCC has no real reason to block this. And while some cable-outlets may refuse to co-operate, most will co-operate as co-operation means profits.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 2):
Bin Laden, Muqtada (sp?) al Sadar, etc...they aired all those tapes, and all they were was propaganda.

elJazeera got those tapes for free and aired them as that increased their audience and was a big story. Commercial programs depend on good stories

Quoting STT757 (Reply 21):
Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
Now...I am an aspiring journalist desperate for work...but there isn't enough money in the world that could make me want to work for a network that spews terrorist propaganda. I hope the FCC blocks this, or that all the major cable/satellite outlets refuse to carry it.
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They're supported by the Qatar Government, a staunch ally of the US. The US has it's Central Command located at Al Udeid Air Base. Qatar built the facilities for the US.

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Well, let's relax a bit and see that "Cadet" is so angry because he can see quite clearly that Qatar tries to counter the influence of the Jewish and Israeli lobbies in the USA media. Let's also acknowledge that many Palestinian and Israel and other Jewish media people are absolutely remarkable professionals and NOT dominated by the propaganda from either side

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I'm a 27 year old Caucasian straight male who is also Jewish. That is why the examples I cited do not appeal to me Being based in Qatar, I already know they're anti-semetic.

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Sorry, but logic apparently is not your strong point. You describe yourself as "Caucasian" which means that you are Ashkenazy and not Sephardi. The Sephardi and the Arabs ARE Semites, I mean real Semites, and Arabs therefore cannot be "anti-Semitic" while many people in the Arab World ARE anti-Israeli and regrettably still influenced by anti-Israeli propaganda which for decades now rained down from various channels. Your rethorics unfortunately sound like the ones of Ahmed Shukeiry, just reciprocally.

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
he Qatari government fully supported the Palestinian regime, which at that point was still led by Arafat and the PLO, and did not see Israel as a legitimate State.

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Yassir Arafat officially recognized Israel and made agreements with Mr Rabin. Mr Rabin, as you ought to know well was commander of the Jewish troops in the same section beside Jerusalem where Abdel-Rauf el-Qudwa was commander on the other side.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 56):
Mr global warming and his global warming channel being sold to a big oil state.

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Qatar is very busy to establish alternative incomes and to reduce its dependency on oil. The task is not easy but a real challenge, but the Qatari Emir and his chaps apparently realize quite well that the oil will not flow endlessly. Alright, Qatar does not have much wind and so cannot become a wind-energy-country, but it has lots of sun and so may well become a "sun-energy-country"


User currently offlineyowza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4891 posts, RR: 15
Reply 113, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Thread starter):
aspiring journalist

I feel that your penchant for jumping to conclusions, total trust for hearsay, and the inability to suppress your biases will see you "aspiring" for the foreseeable future...

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 4):
"Insallahs" were in remarkably short supply as well.

LOL  
Quoting mham001 (Reply 7):
The devil is in the details. What you see here on AJ is not even close to what they transmit elsewhere.

Presumably you speak Arabic and have watched what they transmit elsewhere.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Gore is a hypocritical jackass

  

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
I'm a 27 year old Caucasian straight male who is also Jewish. That is why the examples I cited do not appeal to me Being based in Qatar, I already know they're anti-semetic.

This is the same Qatar that offered TWICE to normalize relations with Israel in 2010? The same Qatar that has publicly gone on record and said Israel will be welcome should they qualify for the FIFA world Cup in 2022? The same Qatar that has hosted numerous Israeli athletes at its sports facilities in Doha? Qatar, one of only two GCC states with an Israeli trade missions? OK buddy... and here's a tip for you when you become a print journalist, it's Semitic, not semetic...

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 26):
between late 2003 and 2005 when I went to an appearance made by the Qatari Ambassador. While he was very affable and polite, he stated that the Qatari government fully supported the Palestinian regime, which at that point was still led by Arafat and the PLO, and did not see Israel as a legitimate State.

Was this Qatar's ambassador to the US or their representative at the UN?

YOWza



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 114, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

Quoting yowza (Reply 113):
This is the same Qatar that offered TWICE to normalize relations with Israel in 2010? The same Qatar that has publicly gone on record and said Israel will be welcome should they qualify for the FIFA world Cup in 2022? The same Qatar that has hosted numerous Israeli athletes at its sports facilities in Doha? Qatar, one of only two GCC states with an Israeli trade missions? OK buddy... and here's a tip for you when you become a print journalist, it's Semitic, not semetic...

THIS all of course must be a terrorist conspiracy !      


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (1 year 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 114):
THIS all of course must be a terrorist conspiracy !

The sad thing is that some people will actually think that.   



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 115):
THIS all of course must be a terrorist conspiracy !

The sad thing is that some people will actually think that.

Worse is that you may be right   


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 117, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Gore is a hypocritical jackass. he only sold it to AJ because of the money he could acquire before the tax hike on Jan. 1.

So those who support FOX and AM talk radio are patriots but when Gore does the exact same thing (without you knowing the exact reasons why) you call him a "hypocritical jackass." ok. sure. whatever.

Explain, please, why it is great for the right-wing to do this but "hypocritical" for the "jackass" to the left of them to do the exact same thing?



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 118, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Quoting yowza (Reply 113):
Was this Qatar's ambassador to the US or their representative at the UN?

Their UN Ambassador.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 119, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1725 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 118):
Their UN Ambassador

Who simply supported the position of the League of Arab States of whom Palestine was a kind of semi-member. The
PLO in fact at that time HAD accepted Israel as legitimate.

Now of course we have the reality that the Palestine government of West Bank and East Jerusalem DOES accept Israel as legitimate and the government of the Gaza Territory does not. The Arab League and practically all Arab countries accept the Ramallah government as THE Palestine government, but a problem the whole mess really is


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 120, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

I notice OP responded to very few of the questions so far.

I (and many of us) want to know: al-Jazeera was given tapes of al-Qaida leaders sounding out against The West. AJ aired them. When the Western media picked up copies of those tapes and traced them back to AJ, they were given credit for making them available. Nothing about supporting al-Qaida causes. Just "this comes to us courtesy of al-Jezeera..." How does that make them allied with terrorists?

One other real-world scenario that happens is: NHK from Japan airs news from North Korea. We all know North Korean news is total propaganda. NHK airs it. Does that mean, following the logic of the OP, that NHK is in support of the North Korean regeme?



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