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UN: Arab World In Giant Decline  
User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

"....Why is Arab culture, why are Arab countries lagging behind?"

A blunt new report, The Arab Human Development Report 2002, by Arab intellectuals commissioned by the United Nations warns that Arab societies are being crippled by a lack of political freedom, the repression of women and an isolation from the world of ideas that stifles creativity.

The report notes that while oil income has transformed the landscapes of some Arab countries, the region remains "richer than it is developed."

Per capita income growth has shrunk in the last 20 years to a level just above that of sub-Saharan Africa.

Productivity is declining.

The use of the Internet is low. Research and development are weak or nonexistent. Science and technology are dormant.

Filmmaking appears to be declining. Intellectuals flee a stultifying — if not repressive — political and social environment, it says.

The authors also describe a "severe shortage" of new writing and a dearth of translations of works from outside. "The whole Arab world translates about 330 books annually, one-fifth the number that Greece translates," the report said.

Arab women, the report found, are almost universally denied advancement. Half of them still cannot read or write.

The maternal mortality rate is double that of Latin America and four times that of East Asia.

Rima Khalaf Hunaidi, director of the United Nations Development Program's Arab regional bureau and the driving force behind the survey, said in an interview in her New York office. "There were some very scary signals that were specific to Arab countries and not other regions."

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Sad but expected, I can't say I'm surprised at all.

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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (12 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

I say cut support to all ME countires including Israel. All ME countries are sucking up our money and give us nothing in return.


Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

You better not be one of those Jews that does nothing but bash arabs

My religion is irrelevant. This report was written by Arabs, not me pal.

I say cut support to all ME countires including Israel.

Just like how we treated Europe after WW1. That did wonders for the world.  Pissed


User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

We need money right now........Those countries can support themselves.

Tell me why we need to sent them money? They give us nothing in return.



Teenage-know-it-alls should be shot on sight
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (12 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Very sad, but it seems to be consistent with what´s happening visibly in the region.

I think it isn´t a question of money in this case, it´s a question of leadership. Or more accurately, the lack of leadership.

When those in power are not interested in education and development, it´s no wonder the fanatics will find fertile ground and wreck what´s left of a once great culture.


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (12 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

I think it isn´t a question of money in this case, it´s a question of leadership. Or more accurately, the lack of leadership.

Quite true. Yet that merely begs the question of why the Arab world has so consistently failed to develop competent leadership. Something must be causing that, I for one would be very interesting in knowing what it is.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (12 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

<<==  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (12 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

But thats where we get our oil from.......we have to kiss their butt so we don't have to pay high oil prices for our status-symbol SUVs  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13191 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

There was a very interesting, and somewhat disturbing report from inside Saudi in today's Guardian.
It's on-line here, long but worth a look;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,747596,00.html


User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

We need money right now........Those countries can support themselves.

We've got money, but as the world's sole superpower we also have a responsibility and obligation to the rest of the worst to help those that can't help themselves. I think investing in the Arab world and helping them to see American goals and ideals as consistant with their own is an investment in our future and smart strategy. I think peace and prosperity in that region only helps the United States that much more. It is in the US' best interest.

I think it isn´t a question of money in this case, it´s a question of leadership. Or more accurately, the lack of leadership.

I agree, but I think by "money", David simply meant help and assistance, which afterall cost money. With US help and assistance, we can improve the Arab world and set their goals and aspirations in a more consistant pattern with our goals and apsirations, which largely are the world's: freedom, peace, security, co-operation, and tolerance.

tnnh lives on!


User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Putting all-Arab nations into one block for a comparision is not fair. What if a report comes out that says that the America's are very poor. Sure for example Nicaragua is one of the poorest nations while you have the USA and Canada up North which are much more advanced.

The same thing occurs here as the Arab world is varies tremendously. You have some countries with political freedom some without. Some have "western" women's rights some not. The world's fastest growing economy is Arab (Qatar) but you also have some with poor declining economies (Somalia).

"Filmmaking appears to be declining"

This also varries tremendously. For example Egypt has a film per capita rate much higher than many Western Countries including the U.S. while other have virtually no films at all (Somalia)

Same goes with education, reasearch and technology which are taking bug strides in some of the Arab countries (e.g. Qatar, UAE, Lebanon and Jordan) while some have very few educational facilities and technological advancement (Somalia, Dijibouti etc...)

So overall just comparing a group of people based on a shared language is useless and pointless. It is just like saying Spanish speaking people (Thier is Spain and thier is Latin America which vary greatly) are less educated than English speaking people.

Regards,
QatarAirways


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

There was a very interesting, and somewhat disturbing report from inside Saudi in today's Guardian.
It's on-line here, long but worth a look;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,747596,00.html


Very interesting story, thanks for posting the link.
I'd say that the U.S. has got to start planning for the day when Saudi Arabia is an enemy rather than a friend. I fear that day's coming soon, as Prince Abdullah can't be counted on to hold things together forever (while the "Prince" title creates an impression of youth, he's actually close to 80). This planning means a serious program of gasoline conservation, an intensified search for other sources of petroleum, and an attempt to find other countries that will host American armed forces.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineQatarAirways From Qatar, joined Sep 2008, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 1682 times:


PROSA
"and an attempt to find other countries that will host American armed forces."

*Unfortunetly* to me this has already happened. In Qatar for example the US has taken a huge base with one of the largest Runways in the world which originally was constructed for our Air Force. The U.S. has already moved truck loads of equipment to this base from Saudi Arabia. Up to 30,000 Americans will be moved to here also representing. Considering there are about 150,000 Qatari this number is large.


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

I cant believe the number of people on this forum who have absoluetly nothing to do in life but to find anti-muslim/arab articles and post it on this forum........its staggering how many posts like this we have here..
As for the topic itself.....i dont know where the f**k you got it from....but many things do not make sense....
Per capita income growth has shrunk in the last 20 years to a level just above that of sub-Saharan Africa.
No doubt per capita income has decreased for some countries like Saudi Arabia from being one of THE HIGHEST in the world during the 1970's.....even current income is better then any sub saharan country! Saudi arabia has three quarters of a trillion!!!!!........yes $750 BILLION in foriegn investments that is not accounted for in their GDP hence not being reflected in their incomes. Other Gulf countries like Qatar, Kuwait and UAE have some of the highest per capita incomes in the world and a standard of living rivaling Europe...better in the case of UAE in my opinion.
The use of internet is low .....believe it or not if you look at the list of the top ten countries in the world that have the highest growth rate among internet users- atleast half of those 10 are arab countries.

Arab women, the report found, are almost universally denied advancement. Half of them still cannot read or write. that is absolute bullshit...ok its not like Europe but its not like Afghanistan either!Other then Saudi arabia...the fact that women are not allowed to do this and that is all crap....arab countries Lebanon,Jordan and Egypt(not to mention places like Morocco) are very liberated.The rest are just moderate and women live very comfortable lives. As for the half the women cant read....that is again big time BULLSHIT....maybe in Yemen its somewhat like this but other then that women in all the other nations enjoy educational facilities.Infact in the Gulf countries...quality education is free for EVERYONE...men and women.I have many friends here in Boston from Gulf nations whose government pays for tuition even in college here(and it is alot in private colleges) plus other expenses.And there are just as many female students who are sponsored as their are men....
Arab world is by no means advancing like East Asian countries.....but its certainly not like how you described it
The only thing i can completely agree with you in your post is your last line...Sad but expected, I can't say I'm surprised at all.....you have been brainwashed quite well i must say...like a little kid who belives whatever hes been told on TV....and that i think is more sad




User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (12 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Wheres SAS23 when you need him?  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Like Qatarairways say there are big differences between different Arab countries, but in general the under achievers are the one with socialist or
former socialist rule (note Iraq, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Libya and Algeria), the one ruled by monarchy is doing better.


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Like most UN reports, I'm going to take this one with a grain of salt. I think this article brings us some very valid points with regards to certain countries, namely Saudi Arabia, but it cannot be applied to others. Though I have never traveled in the region, I have heard that the Gulf countries have an exceptional standard of living and thriving economies. UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar being prime examples. Providing there is some stability in the region, I would seriously jump at the chance to work in one of those three tax-free havens for a couple of years. Companies there are renowned for giving outrageous stipends and unheard of benefits to their employees. I’d like to know more about the Gulf states…

User currently offlinePANYNJ From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

QatarAirways
Putting all-Arab nations into one block for a comparision is not fair

it wasn't for a "comparison" it was for analysis. You deny that their are many adn multiple recurrent and cultures themes in Arab society?

Putting all-Arab nations into one block for a comparision is not fair

This report would seem to suggest that its much more than just Somalia, which actually has a very small Arab population.

PROSA
I'd say that the U.S. has got to start planning for the day when Saudi Arabia is an enemy rather than a friend.


I can't agree more. I would just hoep that that day is sooner than later. Our country has some very serious problems with Saudi Arabia that they can't buy off with high priced PR and Washington spinsters.

KHI747
I cant believe the number of people on this forum who have absoluetly nothing to do in life

Thats mean. I'm bored at work and got tired of porn. Theres nothing to do here because of the long holiday weekend.

but to find anti-muslim/arab articles and post it on this forum

Sadly (for you) it wasn't very hard to find. It was in the first section of this country's most prestigious newspaper.

As for the topic itself.....i dont know where the f**k you got it from

You don't. I do. It came from the New York Times which reported that the report (The Arab Human Development Report 2002) was commissioned by the UN and will be released today in Cairo. An advisory team of well-known Arabs in international public life was assembled to oversee the study. They included Thoraya Obaid, a Saudi who is executive director of the United Nations Population Fund; Mervat Tallawy, an Egyptian diplomat who heads the Economic and Social Council for West Asia; and Clovis Maksoud, who directs the Center for the Global South at American University in Washington and was formerly the Arab League's representative at the United Nations.

believe it or not if you look at the list of the top ten countries in the world that have the highest growth rate among internet users- atleast half of those 10 are arab countries.

Apparently not! Can you find a more reputable source than a report commisioned by the UN and authored by these ARAB people listed above? An Executive Director of the UN Population Fund, an Egyptian diplomat and head of the Economic and Social Council for West Asia, an American University professor and former Arab League UN ambasador. Damn, a real who's who.

that is absolute bullshit...

THIS IS THE PROBELM. YOU PEOPLE ARE IN DENIAL. YOUR BEST AND BRIGHTEST ARE TELLING YOU YOU HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS AND YOU DERIDE IT AS "BULLSHIT". DAMNIT.

PANYNJ


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

There obvisouly is some serioius social problems in the Arab countries, as well as a lot of brainwashing and denial. WE see countless dictators whom people cheer for while they are oppressed, heavy religious oppression, oppresion against women and the list goes on. But for some reason, these people can't stand up for freedom. Don't give me this bullshit about how they like it that way, because NO human has a will that likes to be oppressed. Many of arab peoples anit western views originate from that propaganda BS that comes from there governments, who own the press and everything else, so of course they only see what the gov. decides them to see. These countries breed terrorist, which of course hurt the countries, and also breed some serious hatred. OF COURSE theres US forces there. Does anyone remeber Sadam??????? Remeber how the EVIL US saved kuwaits ass??? As well as several others. And on another note, if you know anything about oil, you'd know that the mid east is simply the easiest source thats already developed. Within 20 years, most of the western world won't need them.

I don't know why this is, but I wish for once, someone in those countries would look up and take a look around.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Hopefully the people in these various countries will one day rid themselves of the dictators, theocracies and monarchies that make life difficult for them.

David B:

Your right, where is SAS23? Probably staying away from this thread. If it's not attacking Israel or it's critical of it's neighbor's he has nothing to do with it.


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (12 years 2 months 6 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Relax PANYNJ....take it easy on yourself....i find it amusing how you are giving me examples of some "renowned arabs" and telling me what they are saying......obviously you believe them when you want to..when its serves your purpose....i wonder if you would still be jumping with joy if any of these very same arabs expressed their opinion about an issue like Palestine or Iraq.Very typical of hypocrites like you.
I am not in any denial....i mentioned that Arab countries are by no means progressing like say Singapore or Korea....but they are not as bad as you so happily pointed out.Qatarairways said the right thing when he said there is alot of diversity and difference among countries in the Arab world.In case you did'nt know each of these countries has its own economy and set of issues....just to bundle them all toghther by virtue of their language is indeed incorrect.Some nations are are doing VERY well like UAE & Qatar.....some just ok like Kuwait and some horribly like Yemen or Sudan.For instance take Saudi Arabia(or any other Gulf country) and take Morocco.Both arab on paper but VAST difference in Culture...among other things.Even the dialect of Arabic spoken in North African countries is very different from Arabic spoken in other countries....i would not bother looking up the list of fastest growing internet users....do it yourself and maybe you will learn a thing or two.And when i made that point i said that atleast half of the top 10 are Arab nations.......which does not mean that ALL of them are fast growing in this field ....
But what do you know....whatever you learn on FOXnews i guess....i wonder if you have ever been to any Arab country in your life....i suggest go visit one in the Gulf,one in the Syria region and one in Africa..see how different they are and see how well some of them are doing.Then you will atleast know what you are talking about rather then just argue like a kid, who watches alot of TV and has no idea what he is talking about.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

You better not be one of those Jews that does nothing but bash arabs

What is it with you, David, and anyone even CRITISIZING Arabs? Are they above criticism or something. You're certianly one of those who critisizes Jews and Americians, so what's wrong with criticism of a culture that condones suicide attacks, does not want to move forward into the 19th century, and that seems to resort to violence to try to solve its problems? God, you're touchy when it comes to them.

I think it isn´t a question of money in this case, it´s a question of leadership. Or more accurately, the lack of leadership.

When those in power are not interested in education and development, it´s no wonder the fanatics will find fertile ground and wreck what´s left of a once great culture.


Outstanding observaton, Klaus. I haven't agreed with you much lately, but that was excellent. Well done.

I cant believe the number of people on this forum who have absoluetly nothing to do in life but to find anti-muslim/arab articles and post it on this forum........

Really? For every one post critical of the Arabs/Muslims, there's two to three critical of Israel.

Wheres SAS23 when you need him?

Yes, since you can't obviously say anything yourself, David B, you wait for SAS23 to show up so you can give him another thumbs up for his towing the THI line.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (12 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

An editorial recently appeared in one of Canada's dailies actually highlighting on numerous points the failure of Islam (vs Judaism and Christianity) to foster prosperous economic institutions for its people. The statistic that stood out like a sore thumb was that Islam represents 25% of the world's population yet generates only 6% of worldwide wealth......and if you exclude oil wealth (which is for Western customers using Western technology), the wealth creation drops to 4% of world total.

While not badmouthing Islam per se, this article alluded to the encouragement of private property, the relative freedom of worship & separation of statism & religion in Christian/Judaic (sp?) societies over the past 500 years that spawned world exploration, scientific advancement, capitalism, democracy, rule of law all of which collectively saw most Christian & Jewish societies become the wealthy nations they are today. That was the jist anyway.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDavid B. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (12 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

All you can say ALPHA1 are bad thing about ME culture. I dont care for Israel or the Jewish lobby. If I critize arabs or Islam, you will quickly agree. I don't care if your a Jew, If you don't like it don't read it.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

All you can say ALPHA1 are bad thing about ME culture. I dont care for Israel or the Jewish lobby. If I critize arabs or Islam, you will quickly agree. I don't care if your a Jew, If you don't like it don't read it.

David-did I say ANYTHING about Jewish people. I was talking about Arabs-you're almost obsessed with defending them. Why? Especially with the long and bloody history of terrorism they have had in the last 30 years? And you don't critisize the Arabs or Islam BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO AGREE WITH ME? ROTFL. Jesus, David-I've agreed with just about everyone on here from time to time-even my detractors such as ADG, SAS23 and the like. If that's why you do it, that's, well, thats.........sheesh.

And I'm not Jewish. I'm Catholic. Why did you even mention that, David?


25 PROSA : There obvisouly is some serioius social problems in the Arab countries, as well as a lot of brainwashing and denial. WE see countless dictators whom p
26 PROSA : The statistic that stood out like a sore thumb was that Islam represents 25% of the world's population yet generates only 6% of worldwide wealth......
27 LOT767-300ER : Alpha: we seriously need a disrespected users list on this forum....
28 Post contains images Alpha 1 : LOT, you don't know how many times I've thought about that in the corners of my mind.
29 Krushny : There obvisouly is some serious social problems in the Arab countries, as well as a lot of brainwashing and denial. WE see countless dictators whom p
30 QatarAirways : When looking at the Arab world you have to break it down into several locations to show if thier is progress or not. You have to look at the Gulf, Lav
31 QatarAirways : May I also add that our new constition allows this: (Quote from Newspaper) "The constitution has guaranteed many public freedoms, including the freedo
32 G-KIRAN : Lets just say this:The moment the Arab world runs out of oil-its game over.The only countries that will be able to survive are those that are trying t
33 Paulc : old joke but it does apply to some countries. Captain on landing "welcome to (insert country name) please turn your watches back by 200 years."
34 Hepkat : I took the opportunity a while ago to grill an Arab friend of mine studying here in Vienna. He's from a wealthy family in the UAE and knows much about
35 Alpha 1 : It turns out that the word Arab is quite vague. It could mean almost anyone, black or white, no matter what language or religion. I think your friend
36 Panynj : It could mean almost anyone, black or white, no matter what language or religion. So using the term Arab world is like saying the Western world, Thats
37 PROSA : It turns out that the word Arab is quite vague. It could mean almost anyone, black or white, no matter what language or religion. "Arab" is generally
38 Alpha 1 : I will grant you that people often combine "arab world" with "Islamic world", which are two different things. While it is true that the center of the
39 Zeus01 : Hmmm, lets see. If you live in the middle east and you speak aribic, 95% chance your a Muslim since otherwise you might get put in jail, murdered or w
40 Yyz717 : The UAE starts to pail in comparison to most Western nations. Millions of Indians & Flilipinos who have lived in Arab countries for decades and genera
41 PROSA : The UAE starts to pail in comparison to most Western nations. Millions of Indians & Flilipinos who have lived in Arab countries for decades and genera
42 QatarAirways : Yyz717, First of all the UAE has gave out many, yes many citizenships to many foreigners including palestinians, jordanians, Iranians, pakistanis etc.
43 Rai : QatarAirways says: Third point is that in many Gulf countries foreigners outnumber nationals, point in case Qatar where for every 1 Qatari there are 4
44 PROSA : QatarAirways, Thanks for posting that description of Qatar. It indeed sounds like a place which should be a model for the rest of the Arab world to fo
45 Go Canada! : Qatar Airways, You can put as much spin on this as you like but the fact is that the Arab nations are in a state. It really does make me laugh that ai
46 QatarAirways : Rai, Comparing immigration between the USA and the UAE or Qatar isn't logical. The USA's geography, history and economy is completely differnt than te
47 Yyz717 : Comparing immigration between the USA and the UAE or Qatar isn't logical. The USA's geography, history and economy is completely differnt than te UAE
48 QatarAirways : "There are smaller countries than the UAE with liberal immigation policies....New Zeland, Ireland, Estonia, Denmark, to name a few" You raise a good p
49 Hepkat : "There are smaller countries than the UAE with liberal immigation policies....New Zeland, Ireland, Estonia, Denmark, to name a few" I'm not sure it's
50 Yyz717 : Yyz717 I am glad we are having this discussion without name calling and plain rudeness so I am more than happy to continue this discussion. Qatar Airw
51 Alessandro : Well, a bit off topic but Ireland isn´t too friendly to give away citizenship if your ancestery isn´t Irish. They even tried to kick out some Rwanda
52 Marco : To an extent I agree with QatarAirways. YYZ717, although it is unfair not to give citzenship to people who have been born here, or who have lived for
53 PANYNJ : KHI747 Relax PANYNJ....take it easy on yourself I'm plenty relaxed. My society is fine, yours isn't! i find it amusing how you are giving me examples
54 Post contains links Yyz717 : The attached link is an article that appeared yesterday in Canada's national paper about the general decline of the Arab world. http://www.nationalpos
55 QatarAirways : Here are points raised in the report that were "conveniently" left out. "The Arab region shows the fastest improvement in female education of any regi
56 Post contains links QatarAirways : more quotes from the first page in the report Report "Israel's illegal occupation of Arab lands is one of the most pervasive obstacles to security and
57 Post contains links Yyz717 : How about the following editorial in today's National Post, entitled "Outpost of Oppression", which details human & legal rights abuses in the Arab Mi
58 EmiratesLover : ``I suggest reading the report. It does show the grim situation facing many Arab countries and does offer advice but in the other hand isn't one sided
59 Panynj : These people are pathetic. Their world is falling apart, they have no democracy, no intelectualism, they are jealous of Israel, jealous of Europe, the
60 PROSA : They have no future and now they are trying to destroy us along with themselves. It's sad, the arabs have got nothin but a little oil and a lot of pro
61 TechRep : QatarAirways, I read your account about Qatar and you touched perfectly everything good about the country but glanced over why Qatar is thriving, OIL.
62 Post contains links Yyz717 : Yet another editorial on the Arab Human Development Report just released by Arab scholars commissioned by the UN. Another very unflattering picture of
63 Rai : That is an excellent editorial, yyz717. The thing I find most interesting is that the populace in the "enemy" countries is generally more supportive o
64 Post contains links Yyz717 : Here is another perspective on Arab failure, from Canada's Globe & Mail this weekend: http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?cu
65 Zeus01 : So I think theres enough evidence for any person with the slightest intellegience to come to the conclusion that there is a problem in Arab countries,
66 QatarAirways : TechRep, "note: the constitution calls for elections for part of this consultative body, but no elections have been held since 1970, when there were p
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