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New-Gen Chevy Corvette Launching At Detroit Show  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

2014 Chevy Corvette


The above semi-official (aka leaked) image of the new Corvette, which will be officially launched at the Detroit Auto Show on January 13th. Much more angular styling (some say the new Vette looks strangely similiar to the Lexus LFA) ls in store - notice that the Vette has very Camaro-ish tail lamps and a huge 4 pipe exhaust located in the rear diffuser panel. The Vette continues to be a V-8 powered, rear drive sports car. Pricing and technical details will be annouced on January 13th.



2014 Cadillac ELR



Also drawing a lot of attention is the new Cadillac ELR coupe, the Cadillac hybrid based on Chevrolet's Volt sedan., The ELR gets a higher horsepower 4 cylinder gasoline motor, more battery storage for longer electric range (and to support a million Cadillac electronic bells and whistles), Cadillac's VUE info-tainment system (like it's big brother, the XTS), and some of the most elegant styling seen from Cadillac in years, IMHO.

2015 Cadillac Ciel


There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan, which is based on GM's new premium rear-wheel drive "Omega" platform and rumored to be powered by a twin-turbo V-6 engine that produces at least 375 horsepower), will be shown and foreshadows the 2015 flagship. (Cadillac, please call it a Fleetwood!!)


2014 GMC Sierra


Already introduced to the public (and probably the most important new vehicle introduced by GM in the last few years) is the next-generation 2014 Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra pick-up trucks. While the styling is chunky (like the GMC Terrain) and engineering was geared to making these trucks as fuel-efficient as possible, the profits that GM makes off this product is critical to it's long-term financial health

Source: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...orvette-beyond-successful-plumbers

[Edited 2013-01-11 18:52:11]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The above semi-official (aka leaked) image of the new Corvette, which will be officially launched at the Detroit Auto Show on January 13th. Much more angular styling (some say the new Vette looks strangely similiar to the Lexus LFA)

The styling is really not bad, but certainly not unique. They ripped off the rear of the Lexus LFA and stuck on Camaro tail lights and the rest looks like it came straight off the SRT Viper and Ferrari 599.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
some of the most elegant styling seen from Cadillac in years, IMHO.

Just the opposite actually. The hard edged Art and Science style does not work well on shorter, taller vehicles. The XTS looks like a Ford Fusion after running into a brick wall, and the ELR looks worse than that, and unfortunately probably won't be popular with funeral directors so things could get rough.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19725 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Also drawing a lot of attention is the new Cadillac ELR coupe, the Cadillac hybrid based on Chevrolet's Volt sedan., The ELR gets a higher horsepower 4 cylinder gasoline motor, more battery storage for longer electric range (and to support a million Cadillac electronic bells and whistles), Cadillac's VUE info-tainment system (like it's big brother, the XTS), and some of the most elegant styling seen from Cadillac in years, IMHO.

I do not like the nose. Too blunt and sudden. Looks disjointed. Like it ran into a wall when it was still part melted.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan, which is based on GM's new premium rear-wheel drive "Omega" platform and rumored to be powered by a twin-turbo V-6 engine that produces at least 375 horsepower), will be shown and foreshadows the 2015 flagship. (Cadillac, please call it a Fleetwood!!)

That is a thing of beauty. I thought the droptop version was gorgeous and this version is just as stunning. It's a nice blend of retro styling as well as the Art & Science styling. I'm sure there are a lot of folks thinking the following after seeing the image of the Ciel:



User currently offline3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Well the @$$ end of the Vette looks like a far east Camaro, other than the 4 exhaust pipes.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
notice that the Vette has very Camaro-ish tail lamps


Yes it does look like a Camaro tail end with a Mustang C-pillar.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Also drawing a lot of attention is the new Cadillac ELR coupe, the Cadillac hybrid based on Chevrolet's Volt sedan.,


  
Are these flammable like the Volt?

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan, which is based on GM's new premium rear-wheel drive "Omega" platform and rumored to be powered by a twin-turbo V-6 engine that produces at least 375 horsepower), will be shown and foreshadows the 2015 flagship.



That is a step in the right direction. I just hope they get rid of those giant ghetto rims and use a standard 15" rim with more rubber/less metal. That care would look great with white-wall tires.
Drop in a V8 or V12.
The high-reving V-6 would be better suited for the little ELR.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
(Cadillac, please call it a Fleetwood!!)


Not without a V8.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4354 times:
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Is the design for the new Corvette final?

I just can't believe GM would put Camaro-type tail lights on a Vette! Corvettes have round tail lights!

Other than that, it looks good.



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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Evidently Chevrolet is live-streaming the C7 reveal from Detroit tommorrow evening starting at 7PM Eastern Time. Info at: One13Thirteen(dot)com regards...jack


all best; jack
User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7410 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
huge 4 pipe exhaust located in the rear diffuser panel.

Hidious, really really hidious, 4 pipes looks naff.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The Vette continues to be a V-8 powered, rear drive sports car.

But it's also going to come with a twin turbo v6.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan

Hope so this is a great looking car.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
They ripped off the rear of the Lexus LFA

Have you actually seen a Lexus LFA the rear doesn't look anything like this mess. The LFA also has the best sounding exhaust note I've ever heard on a street car.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2011/10/Lexus-LFA-Rear-View.jpg


User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4288 times:
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Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
2014 GMC Sierra

this must be a typo as this car was clearly styled in 1993.

like the corvette though.

Fred


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6668 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

I don't think the Corvette looks too bad, however it doesn't look like a Corvette. As for the Ciel, will there be a second trunk in the front ? Because the hood is really big for a V6.

I find the ELR nice and if people can enjoy all their bells and whistle without burning too much gas I'm all for it.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12564 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
notice that the Vette has very Camaro-ish tail lamps

Don't like this, but will reserve judgement till more photos are available.

Why would one want to cheapen the Vette by using Camaro styling cues?

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan, which is based on GM's new premium rear-wheel drive "Omega" platform and rumored to be powered by a twin-turbo V-6 engine that produces at least 375 horsepower), will be shown and foreshadows the 2015 flagship.

Not my style, but I imagine this will sell well.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Does anyone know if the corvette v8 is a push rod ore over head cam(s)?

User currently onlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4228 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know if the corvette v8 is a push rod ore over head cam(s)?

The base engine is called LT1 and of course, it's a push rod engine.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4228 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The above semi-official (aka leaked) image of the new Corvette, which will be officially launched at the Detroit Auto Show on January 13th. Much more angular styling (some say the new Vette looks strangely similiar to the Lexus LFA) ls in store - notice that the Vette has very Camaro-ish tail lamps and a huge 4 pipe exhaust located in the rear diffuser panel.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
They ripped off the rear of the Lexus LFA

Have you actually seen a Lexus LFA the rear doesn't look anything like this mess. The LFA also has the best sounding exhaust note I've ever heard on a street car.

Agreed. The tail end of the new Corvette is just two great big fans away from shamelessly ripping off the Chaparral 2J-
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/91/Chaparral-2J-Chevrolet.html
The Lexus LFA, not so much.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
(Cadillac, please call it a Fleetwood!!)

Not without a V8.

Agreed! Put all the frenetic little turbo V6s you want in lesser Cadillacs, but to be a Fleetwood a top-of-the-line Cadillac must have a high-torque V8. Period.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Have you actually seen a Lexus LFA the rear doesn't look anything like this mess.

Sure it does. Split the lights in two, add the fourth exhaust pipe, and shrink those large vents and you have the new Corvette.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
The LFA also has the best sounding exhaust note I've ever heard on a street car.

It's unreal.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
I don't think the Corvette looks too bad, however it doesn't look like a Corvette.

It's not ugly. They did copy some good looking cars after all.



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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4208 times:

The Ciel needs a V-12 or V-16 engine. Seriously, set yourself apart from the crowd Cadillac - don't just talk about doing it, do it.


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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Actual on the street, on the road, appearance-wise, we'll see. I've been out of the loop for some time at GM, BUT one thing that NEVER changes is that the real thing will give you different impressions of the photo thing, be it plus or minus.

mad99 (rep 12); Ultimate (to date) pushrod technology. I'M even surprised at the technology. In old(er) days there were many internal "pushes" on at GM for DOHC'ing the Corvette. Back then the argument "for" DOHC was that everybody (the world) viewed pushrod V-8s as archaic. The argument "against" DOHC was several, one being that with ever increasing manufacturing technology yielding improvements in less internal friction (for push rod systems, let alone twice the extra camshafts, etc.) and computer controls enhancing every performance parameter, that winning cadre stuck with pretty close to the original 4X4 Chevy V8 layout designed by Ed Cole and originally installed in production 1955 Chevys. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Improve it, yes. But don't throw it away.

Plus a Chevy V8 pushrod sounds neater 'n shit! I really like the V10 Dodge Viper, but it sounds like...well...

I worked on several DOHC Corvette proposals as well as several midship powertrain layouts. Fun projects, but I subconsciously knew they would never see a showroom floor. In my lifetime, anyway. regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 17):
The argument "against" DOHC was several, one being that with ever increasing manufacturing technology yielding improvements in less internal friction (for push rod systems, let alone twice the extra camshafts, etc.)

The pushrod engine will also probably be a better fit under a Corvette's low hood, and maybe drop the CG a bit too.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 17):
I really like the V10 Dodge Viper, but it sounds like...well...

Sound is just icing on the cake. If it goes fast enough, I don't really care how it sounds.

But, sounding different than a Viper is probably a good thing. That way people standing in front of it can tell which car it is.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 17):
If it ain't broke, don't fix it

Thanks for the reply.

that's amazing they keep the same design, i would have thought it would be DOHC by now. Any idea what the red line is on that motor? If its not reved too high it might not justify the change.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

GMs car division badly needs new designers, those things are hideous.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7410 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Sure it does. Split the lights in two, add the fourth exhaust pipe, and shrink those large vents and you have the new Corvette.

Yup so basically absolutely nothing like an LFA.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4123 times:

BMI727 (Rep 18); "...a better fit under a Corvette's lower hood,..." Actually it's a function of width more than height, but your point is well taken. Lower CG? I dunno; all that stuff's alloy now, but you may have a point there too. The real, REAL reason is that the "'old pushrod guy" just does stuff better for its design intent. Plus it sounds neat. And you said ..."I don't really care how it sounds." And I say again "Plus it sounds neat."  

Mad99 (Rep 19); Don't know what redline is but they seem to want to advertise 450HP/450Torque.They probably don't want to spin her over 6500 RPM or so. Just a guess.

IMissPiedmont (Rep 20) sez: "...those things are hideous." BUT WAIT! until you have one parked in your drive. Well, I probably won't have one parked in my drive either. Then again, I ain't seen one in real life either. All best...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
Yup so basically absolutely nothing like an LFA.

...if you're Vanilla Ice.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 22):
Lower CG? I dunno; all that stuff's alloy now, but you may have a point there too.

True, but at the end of the day the engine is still a big, heavy chunk of metal. Despite lighter materials and more powerful engines for a given size, Porsche still creeps the 911's engine further forward with each successive generation.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7410 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

If you really think this



looks like this

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2011/10/Lexus-LFA-Rear-View.jpg

then you need to see an optician!


25 aerobalance : Same basic layout, never mind the extreme details. You need to have an LFA from the same rear quarter view as the vette to see the same trend of the
26 Post contains links and images KiwiRob : You could say that most cars. Here's the view you wanted. again nothing like the C7,
27 aerobalance : Unfortunately, your mind is working the details. I take it you'll be saying it doesn't look similiar to the many who think otherwise.
28 Post contains images KiwiRob : No it's not, the general layout is also different, the only thing they have on common is that they are the back ends of cars which most of us will on
29 Geezer : Push rods vs DOHC engines ? "Surely you jest, Mr. Feynman?" (which is, not even worth arguing about!) Corvettes ? To me, the biggest "wonder" of all
30 Post contains images aerobalance : All good, I dislike both of them
31 BMI727 : They are. For most owners a garage works just fine. Way off base actually. Corvettes are the blue collar super car. Vette buyers tend to be middle ag
32 WildcatYXU : Sorry, I didn't get it. That would be actually true for most of premium cars. Well, again...that would be true for 100% of real sport cars. You can't
33 mham001 : It is?
34 KiwiRob : Apparently.
35 cptkrell : Charley; your'e on a roll; As an oldtimer (evidently as you are too ..just maybe?) I love Corvettes . I've owned just shy of a dozen of them over the
36 Darksnowynight : I'd agree with that. Also, there should be a limo version, and I don't think it would kill them to do a vinyl roof option. Add all that up, call it a
37 francoflier : Ugh. Do they really have to give every of their car the 'Transformers' treatment? There are people out there who thought these movies were terrible. A
38 stasisLAX : Perhaps Cadillac could "borrow" the 6.2 liter V-8 that Chevrolet utilizes. But, alas, we have the damned federal CAFE standards that must be adhered
39 Geezer : Hey ! BTW..........I was "exaggerating" just a teeny little bit about "who drives Vettes" ! (Matter of fact, I know about a dozen of them that I hope
40 Flighty : Some have said GM could build a luxury V8 in tomorrow's small displacement sizes - 2.4 liter turbo, up to about 4.0 liters. You could still get that
41 Polot : Just a heads up- Chevy is revealing it (the new Corvette) in about 15 minutes (7pm EST).
42 Post contains links and images stasisLAX : I was just going to post a reminder. C7 generation Corvette "Stingray" will be unveiled in 2 minutes, for those interested. Lincoln has also broken c
43 Post contains images mham001 : No they are not. The base engine is a small block, just like it has always been. Here it is..
44 Post contains images stasisLAX : And some different views of the new Corvette Stingray from more official GM photos. I think it's stunning looking and definitely a step forward in des
45 Acey : I was blasting it on Twitter as the reveal was going on, but I'm slightly warming up to it as the evening progress. Definitely something I'd need to s
46 Flighty : I like it! Takes some of the chiseled Camaro look. There are too few straight lines in auto design today! Really like it. Not 10/10, but solid 7/10 or
47 BMI727 : It doesn't appear to be the case, not that I'm against the idea. You could probably stick a twin-turbo V6 in the Corvette, slap a plastic engine cove
48 KiwiRob : I still think this car will end up with a TTV6 at some point in it's life, a six isn't without president in the Vette as it was launched with the Blu
49 Post contains images Superfly : I agree as well. In fact, raise the roofline a bit. ??? Most that buy V8s aren't looking for a V8 "sound". Especially Cadillac buyers. They want lots
50 Post contains images andrej : I really like the new design of the Corvette and so far it has received positive reviews.
51 KiwiRob : The first Corvette was launched with the Blue Flame 6 Which they can get from a TT6 with better fuel consumption.
52 aerobalance : The premise of the Corvette is affordable and simple horsepower. The base model 6.2L engine fits that bill. 450 hp and 450 ft-lb of tq in an easy man
53 vikkyvik : Freaking ugly. Especially the rear end. I hate all these new angular designs of the last few years, like the new Camaro. What a shame.
54 mham001 : No V6 is ever going to produce 400 ft lbs of torque at 2,000rpm. That the car already has best-of-class fuel mileage is icing on the cake.
55 KiwiRob : the Ford Ecoboost V6 from the F-150 gets as close as makes no difference. 365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 420 lb·ft (569 N·m) @2500 rpm.
56 mham001 : Good catch. I wonder which would get the better mileage doing it.
57 srbmod : Looks like the love child of a Viper and a Camaro....... Is it me or is Chevy a bit scared of the Viper possibly stealing the Corvette's status as "A
58 BMI727 : If they were, it's only in the public perception rather than in sales since the Viper costs twice as much. Even so, I don't think the Vette has anyth
59 mham001 : There is nothing wrong with competition.
60 Post contains images tugger : I can certainly see that and I think I like it. Sure there are some elements that I don't like (for example the bottom half of the rear fascia makes
61 Scooter01 : .....and that about wraps it up. Scooter01
62 Post contains images stasisLAX : This leaked photo to the automotive press of the convertible variant of the Stringray is quite attractive. I am still not a fan of the rear fascia, b
63 BMI727 : We will probably have to wait for a Z06 and/or ZR1 variant of the Corvette to see how it compares to the Viper, seeing as the snake has 190 horsepowe
64 Post contains links BMI727 : I have a new bit of criticism for the new Corvette, based on this Jay Leno's Garage segment about the car. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrQrAn_hNA
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