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New-Gen Chevy Corvette Launching At Detroit Show  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3928 times:

2014 Chevy Corvette


The above semi-official (aka leaked) image of the new Corvette, which will be officially launched at the Detroit Auto Show on January 13th. Much more angular styling (some say the new Vette looks strangely similiar to the Lexus LFA) ls in store - notice that the Vette has very Camaro-ish tail lamps and a huge 4 pipe exhaust located in the rear diffuser panel. The Vette continues to be a V-8 powered, rear drive sports car. Pricing and technical details will be annouced on January 13th.



2014 Cadillac ELR



Also drawing a lot of attention is the new Cadillac ELR coupe, the Cadillac hybrid based on Chevrolet's Volt sedan., The ELR gets a higher horsepower 4 cylinder gasoline motor, more battery storage for longer electric range (and to support a million Cadillac electronic bells and whistles), Cadillac's VUE info-tainment system (like it's big brother, the XTS), and some of the most elegant styling seen from Cadillac in years, IMHO.

2015 Cadillac Ciel


There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan, which is based on GM's new premium rear-wheel drive "Omega" platform and rumored to be powered by a twin-turbo V-6 engine that produces at least 375 horsepower), will be shown and foreshadows the 2015 flagship. (Cadillac, please call it a Fleetwood!!)


2014 GMC Sierra


Already introduced to the public (and probably the most important new vehicle introduced by GM in the last few years) is the next-generation 2014 Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra pick-up trucks. While the styling is chunky (like the GMC Terrain) and engineering was geared to making these trucks as fuel-efficient as possible, the profits that GM makes off this product is critical to it's long-term financial health

Source: http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...orvette-beyond-successful-plumbers

[Edited 2013-01-11 18:52:11]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The above semi-official (aka leaked) image of the new Corvette, which will be officially launched at the Detroit Auto Show on January 13th. Much more angular styling (some say the new Vette looks strangely similiar to the Lexus LFA)

The styling is really not bad, but certainly not unique. They ripped off the rear of the Lexus LFA and stuck on Camaro tail lights and the rest looks like it came straight off the SRT Viper and Ferrari 599.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
some of the most elegant styling seen from Cadillac in years, IMHO.

Just the opposite actually. The hard edged Art and Science style does not work well on shorter, taller vehicles. The XTS looks like a Ford Fusion after running into a brick wall, and the ELR looks worse than that, and unfortunately probably won't be popular with funeral directors so things could get rough.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18684 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Also drawing a lot of attention is the new Cadillac ELR coupe, the Cadillac hybrid based on Chevrolet's Volt sedan., The ELR gets a higher horsepower 4 cylinder gasoline motor, more battery storage for longer electric range (and to support a million Cadillac electronic bells and whistles), Cadillac's VUE info-tainment system (like it's big brother, the XTS), and some of the most elegant styling seen from Cadillac in years, IMHO.

I do not like the nose. Too blunt and sudden. Looks disjointed. Like it ran into a wall when it was still part melted.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan, which is based on GM's new premium rear-wheel drive "Omega" platform and rumored to be powered by a twin-turbo V-6 engine that produces at least 375 horsepower), will be shown and foreshadows the 2015 flagship. (Cadillac, please call it a Fleetwood!!)

That is a thing of beauty. I thought the droptop version was gorgeous and this version is just as stunning. It's a nice blend of retro styling as well as the Art & Science styling. I'm sure there are a lot of folks thinking the following after seeing the image of the Ciel:



User currently offline3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

Well the @$$ end of the Vette looks like a far east Camaro, other than the 4 exhaust pipes.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
notice that the Vette has very Camaro-ish tail lamps


Yes it does look like a Camaro tail end with a Mustang C-pillar.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Also drawing a lot of attention is the new Cadillac ELR coupe, the Cadillac hybrid based on Chevrolet's Volt sedan.,


  
Are these flammable like the Volt?

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan, which is based on GM's new premium rear-wheel drive "Omega" platform and rumored to be powered by a twin-turbo V-6 engine that produces at least 375 horsepower), will be shown and foreshadows the 2015 flagship.



That is a step in the right direction. I just hope they get rid of those giant ghetto rims and use a standard 15" rim with more rubber/less metal. That care would look great with white-wall tires.
Drop in a V8 or V12.
The high-reving V-6 would be better suited for the little ELR.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
(Cadillac, please call it a Fleetwood!!)


Not without a V8.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1439 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3827 times:
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Is the design for the new Corvette final?

I just can't believe GM would put Camaro-type tail lights on a Vette! Corvettes have round tail lights!

Other than that, it looks good.



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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Evidently Chevrolet is live-streaming the C7 reveal from Detroit tommorrow evening starting at 7PM Eastern Time. Info at: One13Thirteen(dot)com regards...jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
huge 4 pipe exhaust located in the rear diffuser panel.

Hidious, really really hidious, 4 pipes looks naff.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The Vette continues to be a V-8 powered, rear drive sports car.

But it's also going to come with a twin turbo v6.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan

Hope so this is a great looking car.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
They ripped off the rear of the Lexus LFA

Have you actually seen a Lexus LFA the rear doesn't look anything like this mess. The LFA also has the best sounding exhaust note I've ever heard on a street car.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2011/10/Lexus-LFA-Rear-View.jpg


User currently onlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3761 times:
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Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
2014 GMC Sierra

this must be a typo as this car was clearly styled in 1993.

like the corvette though.

Fred


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6100 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

I don't think the Corvette looks too bad, however it doesn't look like a Corvette. As for the Ciel, will there be a second trunk in the front ? Because the hood is really big for a V6.

I find the ELR nice and if people can enjoy all their bells and whistle without burning too much gas I'm all for it.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11919 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
notice that the Vette has very Camaro-ish tail lamps

Don't like this, but will reserve judgement till more photos are available.

Why would one want to cheapen the Vette by using Camaro styling cues?

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

There is also a rumor that a roofed version of the Cadillac Ciel flagship sedan, which is based on GM's new premium rear-wheel drive "Omega" platform and rumored to be powered by a twin-turbo V-6 engine that produces at least 375 horsepower), will be shown and foreshadows the 2015 flagship.

Not my style, but I imagine this will sell well.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Does anyone know if the corvette v8 is a push rod ore over head cam(s)?

User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know if the corvette v8 is a push rod ore over head cam(s)?

The base engine is called LT1 and of course, it's a push rod engine.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3047 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The above semi-official (aka leaked) image of the new Corvette, which will be officially launched at the Detroit Auto Show on January 13th. Much more angular styling (some say the new Vette looks strangely similiar to the Lexus LFA) ls in store - notice that the Vette has very Camaro-ish tail lamps and a huge 4 pipe exhaust located in the rear diffuser panel.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
They ripped off the rear of the Lexus LFA

Have you actually seen a Lexus LFA the rear doesn't look anything like this mess. The LFA also has the best sounding exhaust note I've ever heard on a street car.

Agreed. The tail end of the new Corvette is just two great big fans away from shamelessly ripping off the Chaparral 2J-
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/91/Chaparral-2J-Chevrolet.html
The Lexus LFA, not so much.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
(Cadillac, please call it a Fleetwood!!)

Not without a V8.

Agreed! Put all the frenetic little turbo V6s you want in lesser Cadillacs, but to be a Fleetwood a top-of-the-line Cadillac must have a high-torque V8. Period.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Have you actually seen a Lexus LFA the rear doesn't look anything like this mess.

Sure it does. Split the lights in two, add the fourth exhaust pipe, and shrink those large vents and you have the new Corvette.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
The LFA also has the best sounding exhaust note I've ever heard on a street car.

It's unreal.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 10):
I don't think the Corvette looks too bad, however it doesn't look like a Corvette.

It's not ugly. They did copy some good looking cars after all.



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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

The Ciel needs a V-12 or V-16 engine. Seriously, set yourself apart from the crowd Cadillac - don't just talk about doing it, do it.


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User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Actual on the street, on the road, appearance-wise, we'll see. I've been out of the loop for some time at GM, BUT one thing that NEVER changes is that the real thing will give you different impressions of the photo thing, be it plus or minus.

mad99 (rep 12); Ultimate (to date) pushrod technology. I'M even surprised at the technology. In old(er) days there were many internal "pushes" on at GM for DOHC'ing the Corvette. Back then the argument "for" DOHC was that everybody (the world) viewed pushrod V-8s as archaic. The argument "against" DOHC was several, one being that with ever increasing manufacturing technology yielding improvements in less internal friction (for push rod systems, let alone twice the extra camshafts, etc.) and computer controls enhancing every performance parameter, that winning cadre stuck with pretty close to the original 4X4 Chevy V8 layout designed by Ed Cole and originally installed in production 1955 Chevys. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Improve it, yes. But don't throw it away.

Plus a Chevy V8 pushrod sounds neater 'n shit! I really like the V10 Dodge Viper, but it sounds like...well...

I worked on several DOHC Corvette proposals as well as several midship powertrain layouts. Fun projects, but I subconsciously knew they would never see a showroom floor. In my lifetime, anyway. regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 17):
The argument "against" DOHC was several, one being that with ever increasing manufacturing technology yielding improvements in less internal friction (for push rod systems, let alone twice the extra camshafts, etc.)

The pushrod engine will also probably be a better fit under a Corvette's low hood, and maybe drop the CG a bit too.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 17):
I really like the V10 Dodge Viper, but it sounds like...well...

Sound is just icing on the cake. If it goes fast enough, I don't really care how it sounds.

But, sounding different than a Viper is probably a good thing. That way people standing in front of it can tell which car it is.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 17):
If it ain't broke, don't fix it

Thanks for the reply.

that's amazing they keep the same design, i would have thought it would be DOHC by now. Any idea what the red line is on that motor? If its not reved too high it might not justify the change.


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3616 times:

GMs car division badly needs new designers, those things are hideous.


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Sure it does. Split the lights in two, add the fourth exhaust pipe, and shrink those large vents and you have the new Corvette.

Yup so basically absolutely nothing like an LFA.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

BMI727 (Rep 18); "...a better fit under a Corvette's lower hood,..." Actually it's a function of width more than height, but your point is well taken. Lower CG? I dunno; all that stuff's alloy now, but you may have a point there too. The real, REAL reason is that the "'old pushrod guy" just does stuff better for its design intent. Plus it sounds neat. And you said ..."I don't really care how it sounds." And I say again "Plus it sounds neat."  

Mad99 (Rep 19); Don't know what redline is but they seem to want to advertise 450HP/450Torque.They probably don't want to spin her over 6500 RPM or so. Just a guess.

IMissPiedmont (Rep 20) sez: "...those things are hideous." BUT WAIT! until you have one parked in your drive. Well, I probably won't have one parked in my drive either. Then again, I ain't seen one in real life either. All best...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
Yup so basically absolutely nothing like an LFA.

...if you're Vanilla Ice.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 22):
Lower CG? I dunno; all that stuff's alloy now, but you may have a point there too.

True, but at the end of the day the engine is still a big, heavy chunk of metal. Despite lighter materials and more powerful engines for a given size, Porsche still creeps the 911's engine further forward with each successive generation.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

If you really think this



looks like this

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2011/10/Lexus-LFA-Rear-View.jpg

then you need to see an optician!


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 25, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 24):
If you really think this

Same basic layout, never mind the extreme details. You need to have an LFA from the same rear quarter view as the vette to see the same trend of the knife edge rear quarter panels - they both share that aspect, LFA had it first.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 25):
Same basic layout, never mind the extreme details.

You could say that most cars.

Here's the view you wanted.

http://www.goldenrider.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Lexus-LFA-Rear-Angle-View-.jpg

again nothing like the C7,


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 26):
again nothing like the C7

Unfortunately, your mind is working the details. I take it you'll be saying it doesn't look similiar to the many who think otherwise.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 27):
Unfortunately, your mind is working the details.

No it's not, the general layout is also different, the only thing they have on common is that they are the back ends of cars which most of us will only get to see speeding away from us  


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 13):
The base engine is called LT1 and of course, it's a push rod engine.

Push rods vs DOHC engines ? "Surely you jest, Mr. Feynman?" (which is, not even worth arguing about!)


Corvettes ? To me, the biggest "wonder" of all about Corvettes is.............that they STILL make the things ! Before I get mired in my "opinions" about them, I'm wondering if anyone knows if they are still making the things at Bowling Green, Ky. ?
(which is where they wisely decided to build the "International Corvette Museum" BTW)

I had very mixed opinions about Corvettes when I was still in the business of transporting them from the assemble plant, to the dealers (mostly on the East Coast) where they sold many of them. I can tell you this about the type; I had very MIXED emotions when told to proceed to BG and pick up a load of Vettes; on the one hand, every load I ever hauled made me a LOT of $$$.....which is the name of the game to be sure; on the other hand.......they are about 9 times more "pain in the ass" to load, AND "look out for", on the 600 to 800 mile trip to the dealers they went to.

When you arrive at the Corvette yard, all of the loads are "lined up" in rows, each row being a load; before you even move a unit, you MUST spend 4 times as much time inspecting every unit, PLUS all of the "throw in" items; no two Vettes have exactly the same items, and EVERY item represents "many$$", so you have to double (and triple) check each item, lest you get to the dealer, and something is missing. All of this "checking" takes lots of time; then, the vast majority will have auto transmissions, but a few will be "sticks"; after you've backed a few "sticks" up onto, across the trailer, and onto the head ramp of a carrier, you will have become a firm believer in automatic transmissions in Corvettes; the next "challenge" is finding the damned tie-down holes in order to chain them down; most cars it's quite easy, with Vettes, it's much less so; (sometimes bordering on "damned near impossible"); but you MUST chain them down; (otherwise they'll fall off !) (which will result in your untimely execution, or worse !) There is only ONE sin greater than having one "fall off"; and that's having a big wreck, which in 99.9% of the time, results in all 12 of the things becoming "junk", (which incidentally causes the carrier to become responsible for paying Generous Motors the "dealer's cost" for all 12 "banged up" Corvettes, AND.......they don't even get to KEEP them ! (All "write-offs" are paid for by the carrier, then promptly made into "blocks" by a huge "gloppa-ta-gloppada" machine at a junk yard,) (The wisdom behind which is.........."can't have anyone getting their filthy hands on any of these "car parts" when "exorbitantly priced car parts" is our MAIN business !) (Bet you always assumed selling cars was the main business; it's second; the afore-mentioned being first.)

That's the "easy part"; when you get the insufferable things to the dealer, the check-in "procedure" is about 9 times as "pain in the butt"as it is for all other cars put together. (one scratch on a Vette being "equal" to a hood bashed in on other cars)
Hauling many Vettes WILL make a better car hauler out of one; (especiallly those wishing to remain gainfully employed);

Next is my overall "take" on owning a Vette, which is..........Dismal ! Highest insurance rate in the land, (unless of course you've recently "down-graded" from Ferrari's); and you of course will require a "secure" place to park your less than comfortable "ride"; a large bank vault comes to mind, but is normally not easy to find. And cops.........cops LOVE to "ticket" people driving Vettes; (seems one ticket to a Vette guy is worth 3 or 4 to a guy in a "lesser ride". in addition to the the preceding..........I don't even like the damned things.......(which of course is just my opinion, and as we all know, opinions vary!)

And of course, there's that "other" question.........WHO actually drives Corvettes, anyway? Once again, ........IMHO........narcissists, "wanna-bees", pro tennis types, (NBA and NFL types won't "fit" in them), and various "look at me" types, and possibly the occasional homeless person who has just won the lotto would be my best guess.

So forgive me me for not becoming excited over the "new" Corvettes............

Charley



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User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 28):
Quoting aerobalance (Reply 27):Unfortunately, your mind is working the details.
No it's not, the general layout is also different, the only thing they have on common is that they are the back ends of cars which most of us will only get to see speeding away from us

All good, I dislike both of them  



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 29):
I'm wondering if anyone knows if they are still making the things at Bowling Green, Ky. ?

They are.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 29):
and you of course will require a "secure" place to park your less than comfortable "ride"; a large bank vault comes to mind, but is normally not easy to find.

For most owners a garage works just fine.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 29):
WHO actually drives Corvettes, anyway? Once again, ........IMHO........narcissists, "wanna-bees", pro tennis types, (NBA and NFL types won't "fit" in them), and various "look at me" types, and possibly the occasional homeless person who has just won the lotto would be my best guess.

Way off base actually. Corvettes are the blue collar super car. Vette buyers tend to be middle aged or older and middle to upper middle class. There are some that are wealthy I'm sure, but it's more likely they are middle managers, professionals, or small business owners than athletes or CEOs.



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 29):
Push rods vs DOHC engines ? "Surely you jest, Mr. Feynman?" (which is, not even worth arguing about!)

Sorry, I didn't get it.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 29):
And of course, there's that "other" question.........WHO actually drives Corvettes, anyway? Once again, ........IMHO........narcissists, "wanna-bees", pro tennis types, (NBA and NFL types won't "fit" in them), and various "look at me" types, and possibly the occasional homeless person who has just won the lotto would be my best guess.

That would be actually true for most of premium cars.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 29):
Next is my overall "take" on owning a Vette, which is..........Dismal !

Well, again...that would be true for 100% of real sport cars. You can't really enjoy them anywhere in the developed world without having the police on your back. And they are absolutely impractical as daily drivers.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
But it's also going to come with a twin turbo v6.

It is?


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days ago) and read 3546 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 33):
It is?

Apparently.


User currently offlinecptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Charley; your'e on a roll;

As an oldtimer (evidently as you are too ..just maybe?) I love Corvettes . I've owned just shy of a dozen of them over the past "few" years - plus other stuff lke a few Panteras, an XKE, a Shelby AND a brand new Pinto. To name a few.

My smiley take on your (Rep 25) was that your post was mostly devoted to the trials and tribulations of simply doing what you and your company was contracted to do. Just friggen do the job. Don't bitch so much about the job. Just do it, or change workplace.. I know a teeny bit of what I am spewing. My wife was with two major trucking firms for 20+ years.

An addendum to your; "WHO actually drives Corvettes?" A narcissist? Not me, I like Bud Lite.(and an occassional Jack Daniel); "Wanna bees"? Nope, been there and done that like a lot of the good folks here on the a.NET.

Furthermore, I ain't a "Look at me type", BUT you gotta admit there is something a li'l bit different than sittiting in a Stingrray with the top down as opposed to a Renault 2CV. Luv you'se guys...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):


That is a step in the right direction. I just hope they get rid of those giant ghetto rims and use a standard 15" rim with more rubber/less metal. That care would look great with white-wall tires.
Drop in a V8 or V12.

I'd agree with that. Also, there should be a limo version, and I don't think it would kill them to do a vinyl roof option. Add all that up, call it a Fleetwood, like someone else here said, and we have a for real Cadillac here...



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 37, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Ugh. Do they really have to give every of their car the 'Transformers' treatment?

There are people out there who thought these movies were terrible. And coincidentally, many would happen to be part of the Corvette's customer base...

Now, those Caddies are alright!



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 16):
The Ciel needs a V-12 or V-16 engine. Seriously, set yourself apart from the crowd Cadillac - don't just talk about doing it, do it.

Perhaps Cadillac could "borrow" the 6.2 liter V-8 that Chevrolet utilizes. But, alas, we have the damned federal CAFE standards that must be adhered to, or manufacturers must pass along steep "gas guzzler" taxes to the consumer - something "Government Motors" is loathe to do.....

As for the Corvette, Chevrolet is looking to sell the Corvette to a younger, more tech-savvy buyer. The Vette buyer is currently a 50-ish year old successful "blue collar" type of guy, that probably lives in the mid-West or Texas. Chevy has been licensing the Vette for use in video games (Grand Theft Auto and such) to drum up brand awareness with young buyers for years - and Chevy obviously uses the Corvette as a "halo" vehicle, like Chevy uses the most sporting versions of the Camaro currently. Not all young buyers at going to be wealthy enough to drop $60K USD on a Vette, but you might get them into the showroom to look at the Corvette, the dealership might be able to get them to buy a new Chevy Cruze or a Malibu (preferably the more sporting turbocharged variants).



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Hey ! BTW..........I was "exaggerating" just a teeny little bit about "who drives Vettes" ! (Matter of fact, I know about a dozen of them that I hope to hell never see this post ! (Just wanted to see if everyone was still awake)

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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8202 posts, RR: 3
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 38):
But, alas, we have the damned federal CAFE standards that must be adhered to,

Some have said GM could build a luxury V8 in tomorrow's small displacement sizes - 2.4 liter turbo, up to about 4.0 liters.
You could still get that V8 sound from a small engine and get high MPG. It could do nicely for a Cadillac type use.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2047 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Just a heads up- Chevy is revealing it (the new Corvette) in about 15 minutes (7pm EST).

User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 41):
Just a heads up- Chevy is revealing it (the new Corvette) in about 15 minutes (7pm EST).

I was just going to post a reminder. C7 generation Corvette "Stingray" will be unveiled in 2 minutes, for those interested.

Lincoln has also broken cover for the Detroit Auto Show with its new MKC crossover, based on the new Ford Escape's architecture, by leaking several official photos of this model.

2014.5 Lincoln MKC (concept)


Source: http://www.leftlanenews.com/photos/lincoln-mkc-concept-picture-5.html

[Edited 2013-01-13 16:07:12]

[Edited 2013-01-13 16:17:08]


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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 34):
Apparently.

No they are not. The base engine is a small block, just like it has always been.

Here it is..


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

And some different views of the new Corvette Stingray from more official GM photos. I think it's stunning looking and definitely a step forward in design... not "retro" at all.

2014 Corvette Stingray



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User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1006 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

I was blasting it on Twitter as the reveal was going on, but I'm slightly warming up to it as the evening progress. Definitely something I'd need to see in person, but I've never been a fan of Corvette's styling; only of the performance it's been able to provide for the price.


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8202 posts, RR: 3
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

I like it! Takes some of the chiseled Camaro look. There are too few straight lines in auto design today! Really like it. Not 10/10, but solid 7/10 or 8/10 imo.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 34):
Apparently.

It doesn't appear to be the case, not that I'm against the idea. You could probably stick a twin-turbo V6 in the Corvette, slap a plastic engine cover that says "V8" on it and many drivers wouldn't know the difference. Even more if they pipe sound in like BMW does.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 35):
As an oldtimer (evidently as you are too ..just maybe?) I love Corvettes . I've owned just shy of a dozen of them over the past "few" years - plus other stuff lke a few Panteras, an XKE, a Shelby AND a brand new Pinto. To name a few.

You're not alone, quite a few people have more than one Corvette. Overall, I'd wager that Corvettes are more likely to share garage space with a Harley or pickup truck than with a Ferrari or Porsche.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 40):
Some have said GM could build a luxury V8 in tomorrow's small displacement sizes - 2.4 liter turbo, up to about 4.0 liters.

The issue with that, which I've seen mentioned in reference to the C7 too, is that GM may not have the money to burn on an all new engine. Besides, I don't think luxury buyers would take that kindly to the traditional cross plane V8 sound. For those cars, a dual mode exhaust is probably best when necessary, but I personally consider actually pumping sound in via speakers to be beyond the pale. That way the attitude can come out when it is summoned. A Camaro or Corvette can be raucous all the time, but a Cadillac should be sedate until told otherwise.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 44):
And some different views of the new Corvette Stingray from more official GM photos.

I think rear 3/4 is the best view of the new Corvette. The angular styling is a definite improvement, and the sharp rear roofline, not unlike the Aston Martin One-77, is very nice, although I suspect visibility is limited due to thick pillars and high flanks.

On a more macro note, I'm a fan of the exhaust-pipes-as-styling-element trend. From the Pagani minigun to the raised race style on the McLaren 12C to the perfectly integrated BMW 7 Series to the new Corvette's I like that they have become an active part of a car's look and personality.

Quoting Acey (Reply 45):
Definitely something I'd need to see in person,

It is tough to tell from photos, but the interior, a perennial Corvette gripe, appears to have take a significant step forward as well, not unlike what Chrysler did with the Viper. Neither stripped out nor outright luxurious it at least appears livable and not out of place on a car of that price range.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3230 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 47):
It doesn't appear to be the case, not that I'm against the idea. You could probably stick a twin-turbo V6 in the Corvette, slap a plastic engine cover that says "V8" on it and many drivers wouldn't know the difference. Even more if they pipe sound in like BMW does.

I still think this car will end up with a TTV6 at some point in it's life, a six isn't without president in the Vette as it was launched with the Blue Flame Six all thouse years ago.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 36):
I'd agree with that. Also, there should be a limo version, and I don't think it would kill them to do a vinyl roof option. Add all that up, call it a Fleetwood, like someone else here said, and we have a for real Cadillac here...


I agree as well. In fact, raise the roofline a bit.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 40):
You could still get that V8 sound from a small engine


???   
Most that buy V8s aren't looking for a V8 "sound". Especially Cadillac buyers. They want lots of power with a quiet interior.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 44):
not "retro" at all.


The Corvette was never retro.
I don't like this transformer look at all.



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User currently offlineandrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 44):
I think it's stunning looking and definitely a step forward in design... not "retro" at all.

  

I really like the new design of the Corvette and so far it has received positive reviews.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 43):

No they are not. The base engine is a small block, just like it has always been.

The first Corvette was launched with the Blue Flame 6

Quoting Superfly (Reply 49):
Most that buy V8s aren't looking for a V8 "sound". Especially Cadillac buyers. They want lots of power with a quiet interior.

Which they can get from a TT6 with better fuel consumption.


User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 51):
Which they can get from a TT6 with better fuel consumption

The premise of the Corvette is affordable and simple horsepower. The base model 6.2L engine fits that bill. 450 hp and 450 ft-lb of tq in an easy manner. Yes, it does possess cylinder de-activation at highway speeds to help with fuel consumption but most of the fuel consumption ocurrs during acceleration of a given mass. I don't see the Vette with a TTV6 happening, but we know the engine will be around in other GM vehicles, can it match the power of the 6.2L reliably if installed?



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9396 posts, RR: 27
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3097 times:
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Freaking ugly. Especially the rear end. I hate all these new angular designs of the last few years, like the new Camaro.

What a shame.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 52):
The premise of the Corvette is affordable and simple horsepower. The base model 6.2L engine fits that bill. 450 hp and 450 ft-lb of tq in an easy manner. Yes, it does possess cylinder de-activation at highway speeds to help with fuel consumption but most of the fuel consumption ocurrs during acceleration of a given mass. I don't see the Vette with a TTV6 happening, but we know the engine will be around in other GM vehicles, can it match the power of the 6.2L reliably if installed?

No V6 is ever going to produce 400 ft lbs of torque at 2,000rpm. That the car already has best-of-class fuel mileage is icing on the cake.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 3
Reply 55, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 54):

No V6 is ever going to produce 400 ft lbs of torque at 2,000rpm.

the Ford Ecoboost V6 from the F-150 gets as close as makes no difference.

365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 420 lb·ft (569 N·m) @2500 rpm.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 55):
the Ford Ecoboost V6 from the F-150 gets as close as makes no difference.

365 hp (272 kW) @5500 rpm, 420 lb·ft (569 N·m) @2500 rpm.

Good catch. I wonder which would get the better mileage doing it.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 53):
Freaking ugly. Especially the rear end. I hate all these new angular designs of the last few years, like the new Camaro.

What a shame.

Looks like the love child of a Viper and a Camaro.......

Is it me or is Chevy a bit scared of the Viper possibly stealing the Corvette's status as "America's Sports Car"? They brought back the Stingray name for the new Corvette and there are some similar styling cues.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 57):
Is it me or is Chevy a bit scared of the Viper possibly stealing the Corvette's status as "America's Sports Car"?

If they were, it's only in the public perception rather than in sales since the Viper costs twice as much. Even so, I don't think the Vette has anything to worry about, they're too popular and numerous, plus the being the wild, hard edged iconoclast is kind of part of the Viper's shtick.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 57):
Is it me or is Chevy a bit scared of the Viper possibly stealing the Corvette's status as "America's Sports Car"? They brought back the Stingray name for the new Corvette and there are some similar styling cues.

There is nothing wrong with competition.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 5250 posts, RR: 8
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 57):
They brought back the Stingray name for the new Corvette and there are some similar styling cues.

I can certainly see that and I think I like it. Sure there are some elements that I don't like (for example the bottom half of the rear fascia makes me think "Cadillac" and I don't think a Corvette should do that). But I'll take a real push for "style" that some may not like over "blah" that the Corvette had become over the years. A great and awesome permanence car with a "least objectionable, most widely palpable, to be at least not disliked by the general public" design styling. Blah.

This one? I could like.... (give me some round tail lights though    )

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User currently onlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 8
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
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Quoting fridgmus (Reply 6):
I just can't believe GM would put Camaro-type tail lights on a Vette! Corvettes have round tail lights!
Quoting srbmod (Reply 57):
Looks like the love child of a Viper and a Camaro.......

.....and that about wraps it up.

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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

2014 Chevy Corvette Convertible


This leaked photo to the automotive press of the convertible variant of the Stringray is quite attractive. I am still not a fan of the rear fascia, but otherwise this is sexy.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 59):
There is nothing wrong with competition.

We will probably have to wait for a Z06 and/or ZR1 variant of the Corvette to see how it compares to the Viper, seeing as the snake has 190 horsepower on it although it costs about twice as much. Of course, SRT will probably roll out an ACR variant at some point to further up the ante. Those do tend to be more hardcore than any of the Corvette variants, being more on par with the Porsche GT3 than a 911 Turbo.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 62):
This leaked photo to the automotive press of the convertible variant of the Stringray is quite attractive. I am still not a fan of the rear fascia, but otherwise this is sexy.

I like the coupe better. I like the Aston-esque roofline and the lack of the roof makes the rear flanks seem too high over the wheel arches.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15468 posts, RR: 26
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

I have a new bit of criticism for the new Corvette, based on this Jay Leno's Garage segment about the car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKrQrAn_hNA

Right at the very end of the video as he's pulling out of the building he taps the brakes and the brake lights are awful. Only the bottom and part of the side of the lights illuminate when braking. They definitely should have had an outer ring light up since you lose the iconic tail light pattern if the wrong parts of it illuminate. If you saw this thing brake in front of you at night, you'd never recognize it as being any sort of Corvette.



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