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Large Capacity MP3 Player? (Non-Ipod)  
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi folks.

Am considering getting myself a good mp3 player to permit a large music collection to go fully portable. There are some stipulations:

1) I don't want an ipod - so please don't suggest that. Tried it, don't want it.
2) Capacity well in excess of 100gb - the larger the better.
3) Not huge, though obviously I appreciate it won't be small as such.
4) Good build quality with few known issues.
5) Obviously, great sound quality.
6) NO comments about 'why would anyone need so much storage' etc. - I do, and that's all there is to it.

I am aware that the options seem few, so would appreciate any views and experiences. Am strongly considering the Cowon X7 - anyone own one?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/cowon-...ble-Audio_review#tr-review-summary

I don't need another web browser or portable computer, so internet wifi, display and so forth are not the prime considerations. Having said that, all added bonuses are of course welcome.

Thanks for reading,


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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3006 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Capacity well in excess of 100gb - the larger the better.

Options are indeed few--the only one I'd know of the top of my head is iPod Classic; the last of the 'original' iPods with 160GB. Since you don't want an iPod, it'll be tough... it's smaller than that massive thing you posted, though.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
it's smaller than that massive thing you posted, though.

Yeah, though size really isn't a big problem as long as it's not the size of a book. If it can go in a large-ish pocket then it's all good.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I would generally be careful about mechanical harddisks in portable players in any case – the technology just isn't well suited to be carried around (let alone banged around) while operating. There is always a certain risk of failure due to mechanical shocks or ordinary mechanical wear.

It was the main reason why I waited until the iPod nano before I got one.

It's pretty likely that this year the iPod Touch will be upgraded from 64GB to 128GB and the iPod Classic is obsoleted, but apart from Apple large-capacity flash devices are relatively scarce.

Since Apple pretty much owns this product segment, not many other manufacturers really bother with it any more in earnest.

[Edited 2013-01-12 09:45:57]

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
but apart from Apple large-capacity flash devices are relatively scarce.

You say scarce - are there any? I haven't come across any at all yet. Another option would be something with an SD card slot - I already have a 128gb SD card, and assume that it probably won't be all that long until higher capacities are available.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
I would generally be careful about mechanical harddisks in portable players in any case – the technology just isn't well suited to be carried around (let alone banged around) while operating. There is always a certain risk of failure due to mechanical shocks or ordinary mechanical wear.

This is of course a concern. Have these issues not been rectified to any serious extent over the years? After all, they have been around a while now.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
You say scarce - are there any?

I've not seen any, but I have not really researched in earnest (my 64GB iPhone is currently sufficient for my complete music library).

But a common trend in devices I've come across appears to be that they have relatively little onboard storage to keep prices as low as possible. But there might indeed be some with card slots for expansion after the fact.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 4):
This is of course a concern. Have these issues not been rectified to any serious extent over the years? After all, they have been around a while now.

And they still keep failing, depending on how they're being treated. Some people take good care of them and/or happen to move in ways their player's harddisk happens to be able to live with, other people have them die one after the other.

Just one example: Having the player running in the car with motor vibrations and shocks from potholes can be very bad for a running harddisk (same applies to notebook computers).

Such players usually have motion sensors that try to protect the drive when they detect excessive shocks, but it may already be too late at that point. These measures can only mitigate the risk to some degree, not really eliminate it.

Solid state Flash memory can also wear out, but primarily when it is being written to extremely frequently, which should not be an issue for a music player. And even SSDs in computers have turned out to be quite reliable.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
I've not seen any

I really struggle to understand this gaping hole in the market. Surely I'm not the only one that wants a vast music library on the go?



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2450 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I tried searching on Amazon and found these two:

Archos media player with 250gb:

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-250-GB-...=mp3&ie=UTF8&qid=1358016992&sr=1-6

and this Archos media player 160gb:

http://www.amazon.com/Archos-Wi-Fi-P...=mp3&ie=UTF8&qid=1358016992&sr=1-7

Alternatively, you could get yourself a Galaxy Note and insert an extra SD Card? That would give you up to 128gb of storage.

[Edited 2013-01-12 11:07:37]

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 7):
Alternatively, you could get yourself a Galaxy Note and insert an extra SD Card?

This I considered, and they're nice. The problem is that the largest capacity is 16gb, + current maximum 64gb micro SD = not a whole lot of storage still.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 7):
Archos

Two problems with these: Firstly, they're dog ugly. Secondly, I am reading all over the place that something almost always goes wrong with them. Actually, just thought of a third - 20-odd hours music playback is pretty puny too.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2450 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
This I considered, and they're nice. The problem is that the largest capacity is 16gb, + current maximum 64gb micro SD = not a whole lot of storage still.

According to GSMArena, the Galaxy Note can be purchased with 64GB internal storage.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
Two problems with these: Firstly, they're dog ugly. Secondly, I am reading all over the place that something almost always goes wrong with them. Actually, just thought of a third - 20-odd hours music playback is pretty puny too.

I agree with you. They're ugly :P But if you wanted a lot of storage, it could have been a possible solution.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 9):
According to GSMArena, the Galaxy Note can be purchased with 64GB internal storage.

Sorry, was meaning the galaxy player. Not up for buying another phone, have an S3 and it's a far more expensive option anyway. Tend to have lots of video on the phone, films etc, hence the desire for a separate music machine.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 9):
I agree with you. They're ugly :P But if you wanted a lot of storage, it could have been a possible solution.

Sure, am more concerned with build quality and battery. The Cowon X7 has a great battery life.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
I really struggle to understand this gaping hole in the market. Surely I'm not the only one that wants a vast music library on the go?

No, but only a smaller fraction of all users have really large libraries. Mine at about 47GB is already relatively large, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was already in a single-digit-percentage minority with that.

Apple has multiple incentives for offering bigger devices:

• with the iPod Classic it was cheap and simple to support larger capacities by simply retaining the old device and shoving a larger harddisk into it

• only relatively few people actually want to pay for a larger Flash-based iPod, iPhone or iPad to hold their music libraries

• some people need a larger capacity for photos, documents and other data

• quite a few iOS apps are in the gigabyte range by now, and there are many very good ones one might want to have

So Apple has a much easier time finding paying customers for bigger-capacity and thus more expensive devices than other manufacturers of just music players, where the number of people not directly going for an Apple device anyway and then willing to pay a premium just for an unusually large capacity is relatively small.

On top of that Apple pretty much sucks the Flash market dry as the biggest Flash buyer worldwide, so the other manufacturers scramble to get enough high-capacity chips to begin with, particularly at affordable prices.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

OK, thinks I. After exhaustive searching it became clear that aside from a large hard drive there is little option. So, maybe I'll just settle with something with expandable memory, seeing as 128gb micro sd is not far off. Guess what? Hardly any choice there either!! Absolutely incredible.


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32767 times:

When going the expandable route be sure that you can actually fully use the expansion card – many devices have restrictions about what you can put on the external card and how conveniently you can access it.

Also be sure that the device really supports the larger cards. Some have size restrictions.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
When going the expandable route be sure that you can actually fully use the expansion card – many devices have restrictions about what you can put on the external card and how conveniently you can access it.

Indeed - there seem to be virtually none that can support SDXC 'out of the box'. Unbelievable.

I get what you say Klaus about only the minority of users wanting higher capacities, but it seems the internet is awash with people asking where they can get such devices.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 14):
I get what you say Klaus about only the minority of users wanting higher capacities, but it seems the internet is awash with people asking where they can get such devices.

When you're actively looking for a specific interest, even a tiny minority can find each other on the internet – even airliner enthusiasts...!


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
I really struggle to understand this gaping hole in the market. Surely I'm not the only one that wants a vast music library on the go?

You probably aren't the only one, but you're part of a very small minority; so small in fact, that's it's economically not prudent to spend vast sums in R&D attempting to cater to it.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
OK, thinks I. After exhaustive searching it became clear that aside from a large hard drive there is little option. So, maybe I'll just settle with something with expandable memory, seeing as 128gb micro sd is not far off. Guess what? Hardly any choice there either!! Absolutely incredible.

Here's an idea.........find an old device that no longer works, and can be "had" for like nothing, and which has a HD in it; take the thing apart; carefully examine the HD, (and even read a book about how they "work"); after that, it will become abundantly clear why some people's "devices" fail, and other's keep right on working perfectly.

My iPod photo is quite "old" chronologically speaking, yet it continues to function flawlessly; I've used it for years traveling on our "pot hole" covered Interstates, and I occasionally play it when I'm "out and about"; I should also mention, it has something in it which isn't available at any price, anyplace; much of there complete works of Mozart, Beethoven, Liszt, Chopin, Tchaikovski, Verdi, Rossini, Pucinni, and about 100 more of the greatest composers ever to have lived, ALL meticulously typed as to title, key, musical "form", artist, orchestra, conductor, and all of the other things that classical music lovers arec interested in knowing about the music that are listening to. (and it's not even the biggest capacity HD that was available at the time, and is less than half full.)

Your "requirements" for a gargantuan capacity is really a bit like wondering why someone doesn't "offer" a Kindle or other e reader capable of holding the combined contents of the Library of Congress, and not wanting to spend "too much" to buy such a device; I suppose it would be possible, but I think most companies would respond by asking, "why bother"?

In all honesty, I'd also point out that even though you seem to have a fervent dislike for Apple products, in maintaining that "opinion", you have not had much effect on Apple's "bottom line", and at the same time, you have obliged yourself to "make do" with all of the "lesser" products on the market; (and while that may seem opinionated on my part, and possibly is, it is never-the-less a fact of life. )

Charley



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
When you're actively looking for a specific interest, even a tiny minority can find each other on the internet – even airliner enthusiasts...!

Grr! Stop being so logical! I want my player!!

Quoting Geezer (Reply 16):

Your "requirements" for a gargantuan capacity is really a bit like wondering why someone doesn't "offer" a Kindle or other e reader capable of holding the combined contents of the Library of Congress, and not wanting to spend "too much" to buy such a device; I suppose it would be possible, but I think most companies would respond by asking, "why bother"?

Not so much. The book files are tiny, and books take an awful lot longer to read than a song takes to listen to. But then. I see nothing wrong either with the princple of having a very large, portable library.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
Grr! Stop being so logical! I want my player!!

Peace! 

And good luck!


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
And good luck!

Thanks, but unfortunately I'm rather coming to the conclusion that it's a lost cause - unless I just go with a hard drive, but even then the options are few. Even with the X7 I linked to originally they have discontinued the 160gb version (yes yes, I know - more evidence of low uptake......) and only have the 120gb version available.

To be honest, one of the biggest issues with an ipod is that the sound quality hasn't overly impressed when I've examined them.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 19):
To be honest, one of the biggest issues with an ipod is that the sound quality hasn't overly impressed when I've examined them.

That does surprise me – my iPods, iPhones and iPads have all (had) excellent sound quality. And most technical tests confirm that as well: Apple generally uses very good quality D/A converters and drivers.

It's just that their included headphones completely suck. At least the ones I've tried so far. They've never been good for more than a short sarcastic laugh. (Maybe the new ones are any better, but I don't have high hopes.)

When the devices are used with very good headphones with a fitting impedance the quality is very good in my experience. I wouldn't accept poor performance myself. A part of my library is ripped losslessly because I do notice the difference in certain kinds of material.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
I wouldn't accept poor performance myself

Oh, I wouldn't doubt that for a second!   

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
A part of my library is ripped losslessly because I do notice the difference in certain kinds of material.

Using which format? I understood that ipods don't support FLAC, for example. Is that the case?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 21):
Using which format? I understood that ipods don't support FLAC, for example. Is that the case?

No, it's called "Apple Lossless" (ALAC), which Apple has released into the public domain a while ago after they've been using it for quite a number of years.


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7685 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 12):
Absolutely incredible.

What's incredible about it, Apple made such an excellent device, others tried, realised they couldn't make anything better so left the market rather than waste resources trying to compete.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
others tried, realised they couldn't make anything better so left the market

I really don't think it's as simple as that. Apart from anything else, Apple polarises opinion to such an extent that there is always going to be a significant group who just won't buy them. I think it's to some extent a little like another of my bugbears - phone manufacturers not permitting expandable memory, when technically it's very simple indeed to do - it's a bit of a 'we don't think you need it' mentality when the reality is a decent number do.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7685 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 24):
Apple polarises opinion to such an extent that there is always going to be a significant group who just won't buy them.

That group who didn't buy them didn't really get in behind other brands either, hence the fact that apple is now about the only game left in town.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 25):

That group who didn't buy them didn't really get in behind other brands either, hence the fact that apple is now about the only game left in town.

Reading around, the Zune seems to get reasonable support - but irritatingly it's not available in the UK.



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
Not so much. The book files are tiny, and books take an awful lot longer to read than a song takes to listen to.


Now that I can agree with...........(text files ARE smaller than sound files)

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
I see nothing wrong either with the princple of having a very large, portable library.

No argument there either; but it's not a matter of being "wrong"; it's more a matter of being "necessary", and 99% of the time, it's unnecessary. (but I would also hasten to add, that's exactly what makers of players are counting on; people who demand bigger capacity storage, so they can charge much bigger prices, while incurring "not much bigger" production costs ). (it's really all about making money!)

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 19):
To be honest, one of the biggest issues with an ipod is that the sound quality hasn't overly impressed when I've examined them.

Ha! Now we have arrived at the REAL reason ! And you are right again; and needless to say, there's a VERY good reason sound quality on small devices tends to "suck"; High quality sound requires at the very least, two things; (which NO small player has, incidentally; a decent amplifier, and a decent means of converting the "decent signal" from a "decent amp" into sound; (something completely missing from ALL small players); I have a small portable amp from "HeadRoom" (called an "Air Head"), velcroed to my iPod; and to replace the original crappy head phones, I purchased a $300 set of Etymotic Research ear buds; the sound is about 9 times better; even though not "noise canceling", the ear buds effectively
"plug up" your ears, so all you hear is what you want to hear, the music; also..........sometimes even I don't like ear buds in my ears; for those times, I recently purchased a relatively inexpensive set of Bose phones ( for a mere $150 ), and they sound even BETTER than the ER 3s ! ( Next time you're in a "Best Buy" store, try listening to their garbage demo music with the Bose phones and you'll HEAR what I mean ) !

Charley



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User currently onlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1970 posts, RR: 32
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
NO comments about 'why would anyone need so much storage' etc. - I do, and that's all there is to it.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
I really struggle to understand this gaping hole in the market. Surely I'm not the only one that wants a vast music library on the go?

I'm with you, man. My 160GB iPod classic is full (and it is pretty much all music, very little video, and it's in a lossy format at that...) I've been looking for something bigger and hoping someone might make something bigger. But as this thread makes clear, we are in the minority and there is basically nothing out there for us.

I'd be happy to go beyond Apple, but most other machines won't play the stuff that I have in aac format. Argh.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
It's pretty likely that this year the iPod Touch will be upgraded from 64GB to 128GB and the iPod Classic is obsoleted, but apart from Apple large-capacity flash devices are relatively scarce.

And if they do that they are actually making their maximum capacity machine smaller rather than larger.   



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7685 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 26):
Reading around, the Zune seems to get reasonable support - but irritatingly it's not available in the UK.

I'm almost 100% certain the Microsoft stopped production of Zune players some time ago, there isn't even a Zune website that I can find.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 24):
I really don't think it's as simple as that. Apart from anything else, Apple polarises opinion to such an extent that there is always going to be a significant group who just won't buy them.

Apple has >70% of the pure music player market. And of the remaining 30% a lot is just extremely cheap mini-players. With the entire market shrinking by now (because it is being cannibalized by smartphones), I don't see a really significant market segment for another manufacturer to live off, particularly since most people who don't want to buy an Apple product are looking for something cheaper in the first place. So revenue and profit opportunities would be low, leaving little space for quality products.

Quoting n229nw (Reply 28):
And if they do that they are actually making their maximum capacity machine smaller rather than larger.

True, at least temporarily until the next step up to 256GB in a few years. But they might even keep the Classic around for that long if the numbers justify it and the harddisk manufacturers keep making the components.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 29):
I'm almost 100% certain the Microsoft stopped production of Zune players some time ago, there isn't even a Zune website that I can find.

Yep. Zune hardware is no more.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):

Yep. Zune hardware is no more.
http://www.amazon.com/Zune-Video-MP3-Player-Platinum/dp/B002JPITY8

They can still be bought.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 31):
They can still be bought.

That they're still available new this long after production has ended gives an indication how bad uptake has been and still is.

You'll have to expect their batteries to be suffering from deep discharge by now, so consider them damaged goods.

The same applies to any devices with rechargeable batteries: Buy them "fresh" out of the factory or demand a discount to account for early battery replacement.

[Edited 2013-01-13 07:50:10]

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
That they're still available new this long after production has ended gives an indication how bad uptake has been and still is.

It's like I can see into the future! I foresaw this post in a vision!   



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 33):
It's like I can see into the future! I foresaw this post in a vision!

That happens when a post merely reiterates what's obvious anyway.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
That happens when a post merely reiterates what's obvious anyway.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!   



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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 28):
I'm with you, man. My 160GB iPod classic is full (and it is pretty much all music, very little video, and it's in a lossy format at that...) I've been looking for something bigger and hoping someone might make

I only have ONE question...................How on earth can any one human being LISTEN to that much music ?

(I would ask what kind of music, but I only get one question) (cat much "listen" 24/7/365 !)

Charley



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User currently offlineplanewasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

If you want high end sound and feeling there is a Chinese(!) really serious player. I listened to it in Shenzhen and was really impressed.

I think this is the one:
http://www.colorfly.eu/

I'm not sure about the capacity, but I know it had support for memory cards.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting planewasted (Reply 37):
If you want high end sound and feeling there is a Chinese(!) really serious player. I listened to it in Shenzhen and was really impressed.

I think this is the one:
http://www.colorfly.eu/

I'm not sure about the capacity, but I know it had support for memory cards.

Yeah, have seen that. Only 32gb built-in, and a fairly shocking price tag.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8922 posts, RR: 24
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 38):
Yeah, have seen that. Only 32gb built-in, and a fairly shocking price tag.

The only question is at this point is why don't you just buy an IPod Classic and be done with it? It does/has everything you need. It was made by the millions, so support and spares are there. All the competition fall short on your requirements list or are pretty sure to be out of business in relatively short order, and good luck getting support/updated drivers etc.

So, what's your beef? Just get the IPod.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 39):
So, what's your beef? Just get the IPod.

It was apparently about sound quality, but apart from the dreadful standard earbuds I'm not aware of noticeable compromises there.

The D/A converters in the newer iPhones and iPod Touch are more advanced than the ones in the iPod Classic and provide slightly better quality according to tests; But all Apple devices (including their Macs) have excellent audio output quality. They are actually applying some care to this particular aspect of their products.

And these minor differences completely pale relative to the huge gaps between different headphones, both because of diverse quality of the headphones themselves and because of how well their impedance plays with the output amplifiers in the devices.

I'm using relatively good headphones with my iPhone and iPad and audio clarity, clean bass response, overall neutrality and absence of distortions have so far made me pretty happy (my mobile headphones have some slight, but noticeable bass elevation, but it is still within the acceptable range for me, since they do it without major distortions).

Ripping the music in an appropriate format (lossless or at least high-grade AAC) can also noticeably improve the quality of the more critical material (particularly more complex arrangements, especially in combination with vocal performances).

I'm listening to a pretty wide range of music, including classical music, but also soundtracks, rock, jazz, blues, general pop and so on from all recording eras. And I'm easily annoyed when the reproduction is noticeably distorted.

But that has not been a problem for me since I connected decent headphones with decently matched impedance to my iPods and later iPhones and iPads (sequentially).


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
It was apparently about sound quality, but apart from the dreadful standard earbuds I'm not aware of noticeable compromises there.

It was partly that. Also the fact that, particularly with the way things are going, I'm not mad keen to buy a hard disk-based device (although as per my first post it was under consideration and perhaps the only likely contender size-wise).

Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
The D/A converters in the newer iPhones and iPod Touch are more advanced than the ones in the iPod Classic and provide slightly better quality according to tests

This I have heard.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 41):
It was partly that. Also the fact that, particularly with the way things are going, I'm not mad keen to buy a hard disk-based device (although as per my first post it was under consideration and perhaps the only likely contender size-wise).

Yeah, right now is basically the last phase of the transition period from mechanical to solid state storage, particularly in mobile devices.

I have no doubt that in a few years there will be 256GB and even larger capacities available in Flash, just not quite tomorrow. 128GB may well become available this year, however.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
Yeah, right now is basically the last phase of the transition period from mechanical to solid state storage, particularly in mobile devices.

I have no doubt that in a few years there will be 256GB and even larger capacities available in Flash, just not quite tomorrow. 128GB may well become available this year, however.

Yeah. Looks like my money might have won a reprieve, for now.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5739 posts, RR: 10
Reply 44, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 39):
So, what's your beef? Just get the IPod.

My primary issue with the iPod is that I can't just view it on my computer when it is plugged in. I do prefer to be able to simply drop a file (whether it be music or otherwise) into my player and be done with it, no other programs in between. Just keeps it simple.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
I have no doubt that in a few years there will be 256GB and even larger capacities available in Flash, just not quite tomorrow. 128GB may well become available this year, however.

The trick there, as I have found, is that larger memory is not always supported by the devices. You have to watch for which standard it works with and whether it supports the larger memory access. Of course as things are changing rapidly now the devices and standards are getting much better at being ready to allow that.

Tugg

[Edited 2013-01-14 12:54:58]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 45, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 44):
My primary issue with the iPod is that I can't just view it on my computer when it is plugged in. I do prefer to be able to simply drop a file (whether it be music or otherwise) into my player and be done with it, no other programs in between. Just keeps it simple.

I thought that could be done??!



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5739 posts, RR: 10
Reply 46, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 45):
I thought that could be done??!

Unfortunately not, you need iTunes for any files transfers. As I understand it there are other more svelte programs that can manage in place of iTunes for you, however I have found that Apple really only like Apple stuff to manage your iDevices so I don't know how far I would trust them.

Tugg



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1449 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
I only have ONE question...................How on earth can any one human being LISTEN to that much music ?

(I would ask what kind of music, but I only get one question) (cat much "listen" 24/7/365 !)

Charley

Same reason people have a library of books. You won't listen to it all at once, but it's nice to have the choice when you suddenly think "I want to listen to X".

My collection of Estonian Prog Rock alone is 16Gb. It adds up fast.



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 46):

It depends on what kind of files you are talking about. If you are talking about photos and videos, iTunes doesn't need to used at all, you can just drag and drop. However, I'm guessing you are referring to music in relation to this topic.

I don't really have any music on my iPhone or iPad, so I can't comment.

[Edited 2013-01-14 16:29:58]


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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1449 posts, RR: 4
Reply 49, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
1) I don't want an ipod - so please don't suggest that. Tried it, don't want it.
2) Capacity well in excess of 100gb - the larger the better.

Have you considered making one of these?

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ipod_Nano_200gb_Instructions/Page_3



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5739 posts, RR: 10
Reply 50, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 48):
If you are talking about photos and videos, iTunes doesn't need to used at all, you can just drag and drop.

But you need to configure the iPod for that and you need iTunes to do that. However if you have an iPod, then you will be required to have and use iTunes anyway for music and media so it is largely a moot point.

Tugg



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 44):
My primary issue with the iPod is that I can't just view it on my computer when it is plugged in.

Tell that to me. They got me an iPad at work to reduce paperwork and presentation prints and it's frustrating you have to use a crappy app just to put drop pdf files in there.

Any Win8 tablet would have been much better, seeing all computers in the company are windows. Even android lets you just drag and drop to a folder of your choosing, but apparently the only tablet the phone company was willing to give for free (read for free as tied to a data contract, no upfront price) were iPads.


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7685 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 46):
As I understand it there are other more svelte programs that can manage in place of iTunes for you, however I have found that Apple really only like Apple stuff to manage your iDevices so I don't know how far I would trust them.

Sportify works well with i devices.


User currently onlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1970 posts, RR: 32
Reply 53, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
I only have ONE question...................How on earth can any one human being LISTEN to that much music ?

(I would ask what kind of music, but I only get one question) (cat much "listen" 24/7/365 !)

Charley

It is not that much music, really, 72 days worth according to iTunes. I listen a lot.

For your second question, the answer is everything. I suppose I have the most space filled easliy by classical, because there I have not only the near-complete works of most famous composers and large amounts (sometimes very large amounts) of music by now-more-obscure composers, but also in many cases, multiple recordings of the same piece, for comparison and pleasure. As an example, I have five recordings of Bach's Goldberg Variations (that's nearly half a gigabyte right there, see)...but to make up for that I only have about 100 of his 200 cantatas...I also have a pretty comprehensive collection of most kinds of rock, pop, rap and electronic music.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 47):
My collection of Estonian Prog Rock alone is 16Gb. It adds up fast.

Interesting. So, if you were to recommend one or two albums or tracks of Estonian prog rock, what would it be?



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1449 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 53):
Interesting. So, if you were to recommend one or two albums or tracks of Estonian prog rock, what would it be?

Tricky- the problem with Estonian music is that it's often really hard to find, because recording in the Estonian language in Soviet times was not permitted. Most of the recordings are incredibly rare and I've only ever picked them up on CD in Estonia.

My favorite band of that era was Ruja, although they spanned a lot of genres; prog, psych, doom metal, even rockabilly (although that stuff wasn't that great). The album to get is a 5 CD set called "Need Ei Vaata Tagasi". The first two CDs are required listening- the rest, which is the 80s stuff, is forgettable:

http://www.nailboard.org/est/hyper.r...-ei-vaata-tagasi-1-compilation-2cd

They had a couple of my favorite pianists writing for them, and I loved the fact they always had a sense of humor, which is where many prog rock bands fall flat.

The song which got me into Ruja is called "Ahtumine" but I can't find it anywhere on the internet unfortunately. Added to that there are two songs called "Ahtumine" by Ruja, one amazing and one less so. It's on the CD above if you can find it.

As for what I can find on the internet, the following are pretty good. You have to look past the production quality a bit, but the I always thought this was a beautiful song, and I love to play it on the piano:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR-g8HGT1mA

This song is fantastic, but also spectacularly badly recorded so some bits are almost inaudible, and some ear-splitting. Has probably the most beautiful piano solo in history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elIcPwRIHd0

Another great one- bit weirder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Xn-RIxGCc

Ruja does Black Sabbath:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TUkxrrDiUc



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User currently onlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1970 posts, RR: 32
Reply 55, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 54):

Cool, thank you, I will check some of this out!



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 56, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting JJJ (Reply 51):
Tell that to me. They got me an iPad at work to reduce paperwork and presentation prints and it's frustrating you have to use a crappy app just to put drop pdf files in there.

Any Win8 tablet would have been much better, seeing all computers in the company are windows. Even android lets you just drag and drop to a folder of your choosing, but apparently the only tablet the phone company was willing to give for free (read for free as tied to a data contract, no upfront price) were iPads.

Syncing of PDFs to iBooks via iTunes is pretty easy, but there's another way as well if you want:

SImply get the Good Reader app or an equivalent on the iPad. It provides a conventional file system which you can organize and modify as you want, and you can mount it on your PC (or Mac) via WiFi as an external drive to copy data onto or off it as you wish.

The app can also mount and access shared drives or remote servers and copy data itself.

It can not just display or play various kinds of files it holds, it can also edit text and annotate PDFs. But of course you can also just use it to transport files of any kind.


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