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Do You Agree With Online Sales Tax?  
User currently offlinedarthluke12694 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 276 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Many people buy online because there is no sales tax, which makes me ask, do you agree with paying sales tax online?

In Tennessee, Amazon is required to start collecting sales tax starting in 2014. However, Amazon has sent out notices to customers in TN who have bought items on Amazon that they are "required" to pay sales tax for items already bought. According to the law, it is "required", but since Amazon doesn't report the sales to TN, TN has no way of forcing you to pay the sales tax owed.

I'm unsure if the law only applies to Amazon, or all online retailers. I believe it is just Amazon.

Many people disagree with paying sales tax online, although there are many benefits. The state would gain millions of dollars in revenue. If the prices are similar after tax online, it might encourage people to shop locally.

So what are your thoughts on this issue? Should the internet be a "tax free" zone? Or should online retailers be forced to collect sales tax?


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

I am generally anti-tax... try keep America healthy and safe but not much more, and tax as little as possible and people keep their money, attract businesses...

That being said, I don't really see how online companies can really be "exempt." Neither the customer nor the online store exist in some virtual reality, their earnings and expenses are reported somewhere, I think they should pay tax like anyone else in the jurisdiction. I will, however, continue to try and tax as little as possible, but I don't think online should be an exception



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Sales taxes should be reduced to compete with other legal commerce. Otherwise it is natural that local businesses will be devastated...

Best Buy is in the fight of its life right now because of this issue. Of course police and fire need to be paid. Property taxes are a good way to do that. Income taxes are also a fine way to do that, at the state level.


User currently offlinenws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 883 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

In most states the customers already owe the tax, it is just called a use tax and the customer is supposed to report it either with their income tax return or through some other process.

User currently offlinedarthluke12694 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting nws2002 (Reply 3):
In most states the customers already owe the tax, it is just called a use tax and the customer is supposed to report it either with their income tax return or through some other process.

Yes, I believe Tennessee has something similar to that. In fact, that is what Amazon is doing now to TN residents. However, I don't think the companies are required to report the sales to the state, therefore the state doesn't get the tax. It is up to the consumer to pay the tax or not.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 2):
Income taxes are also a fine way to do that, at the state level.

Except for the states with no income tax, such as Tennessee. That is another issue that I didn't think of until just now. Tennessee has no income tax, but has one of the highest income taxes in the country (7%, plus an additional 1.5%-2.75% for city and county tax). I suppose that states with no income tax need the revenue from sales tax to compensate for no income tax.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21528 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

Quoting darthluke12694 (Thread starter):
In Tennessee, Amazon is required to start collecting sales tax starting in 2014. However, Amazon has sent out notices to customers in TN who have bought items on Amazon that they are "required" to pay sales tax for items already bought. According to the law, it is "required", but since Amazon doesn't report the sales to TN, TN has no way of forcing you to pay the sales tax owed.

I'm unsure if the law only applies to Amazon, or all online retailers. I believe it is just Amazon.

There are two problems here. One is if this tax applies only to Amazon (it should apply to any online retailer, or brick-and-mortar store that sells stuff online). The other is that Amazon is basically enabling tax evasion.

If the jurisdiction question is difficult, just make it a federal sales tax - some people have been clamoring for that for some time - and you can reduce (though not eliminate) income tax rates accordingly. But I've got no issue with sales taxes being paid on online purchases.

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User currently onlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4952 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

I think that tax should only be collected if you are a resident of the state that the item was sold in. If you live in another state the taxes needn't be paid.


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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5360 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting darthluke12694 (Thread starter):
So what are your thoughts on this issue? Should the internet be a "tax free" zone? Or should online retailers be forced to collect sales tax?

If you're OK with paying sales tax at a brick and mortar place, then paying it to TN, via Amazon shouldn't phase you one bit.

Quoting darthluke12694 (Thread starter):
In Tennessee, Amazon is required to start collecting sales tax starting in 2014. However, Amazon has sent out notices to customers in TN who have bought items on Amazon that they are "required" to pay sales tax for items already bought. According to the law, it is "required", but since Amazon doesn't report the sales to TN, TN has no way of forcing you to pay the sales tax owed.

Here in KY, you are supposed to report any purchases made online, or out of town (if you didn't pay sales tax there) and pay the Caesar his due. Of course, short of a physical inspection or tracking you through online retailers and/or your credit card usage, there is no way to enforce this.

Quoting darthluke12694 (Thread starter):
I'm unsure if the law only applies to Amazon, or all online retailers. I believe it is just Amazon.

It should be everyone. Otherwise, Amazon is being targeted by government action and potentially enriching other online merchants.



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User currently offlinedarthluke12694 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
There are two problems here. One is if this tax applies only to Amazon (it should apply to any online retailer, or brick-and-mortar store that sells stuff online). The other is that Amazon is basically enabling tax evasion.

I agree with you. It should apply to everyone. I believe it is only Amazon though because of the numerous Amazon facilities they have here in TN.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5360 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

Quoting darthluke12694 (Reply 8):
I agree with you. It should apply to everyone. I believe it is only Amazon though because of the numerous Amazon facilities they have here in TN.

As I understand it, under current law, if a retailer exists in your state, the state can collect sales tax, even though they participate only in online sales. It could well be that Amazon has been able to skate because they act as a middle man, but not a retailer? A very thin excuse, if that's the case.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19416 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

From the point of view of local commerce, it's exceedingly unfair that sales taxes are applied to brick-and-mortar stores, but not online stores. If there is going to be sales tax, it should be applied to all purchases.

The issue is: should the applicable online sales tax be from the state in which the merchant is located or from the state in which the customer is located? I would submit that the latter makes more sense.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

I recently bought a Seattle Seahawks Elite Home Jersey (Doug Baldwin #89) from Nike.com for $250. (You know, one of those almost real game jerseys) Nike taxed me $10 for the jersey, but the shipping was free.

Generally, I am against online sales to be taxed. I don't see the need to have online sales tax when the product you buy is not from your State, even though your State wants the taxes from it. I think it is ridiculous. It is just a money grabbing thing and an "entitlement" issue on the State's part.

And don't get me started on the Death/Inheritance Tax. That one is wayyyyyyyy BEYOND stupid.

[Edited 2013-01-15 15:02:22]


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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2044 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

I am not quite sure why a sales tax for an online purchase should be paid at the recipient's shipping address, instead of the retailer's HQ or warehouse of origin. If I lived in the U.S., near a state border, surely, if I crossed the state border and went to a brick-and-mortar shop to buy something, surely I'd be paying the tax in the location of said brick-and-mortar store, even if I took it home to the state next door?


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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5360 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
Generally, I am against online sales to be taxed. I don't see the need to have online sales tax when the product you buy is not from your State, even though your State wants the taxes from it. I think it is ridiculous. It is just a money grabbing thing and an "entitlement" issue on the State's part.

Actually, I see it as more of a 'leveling the playing field" type argument. Your run of the mill brick and mortar place has to charge sales tax, why shouldn't the online retailer?



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
why shouldn't the online retailer?

Because the online retailer has no idea where the product is going to come from if they have 15 shipping warehouses around the country. That is the problem.

Another problem is that the online retailer isn't doing a face-to-face transaction as well.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2042 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 2):
Best Buy is in the fight of its life right now because of this issue.

No, not really. Not even close

Sure, some people shop online for the tax savings, but the majority do it because of the price differences. Sites like Buy.com, Amazon, and other's offer the same products for much less. I bought my camera kit on Buy.com because it was $200 cheaper than Best Buy, who wouldn't honor the buy.com price. That was BEFORE the tax savings (shipping was free). The problem with Best Buy and every other big box electronics stores is that they have to have many many physical locations, with many many employees, and a high stock level.. THAT'S Best Buys issue. Not saving a few dollars on taxes. If that's what they are claiming, no wonder they are in trouble.

And it's not just electronics. I needed a new Headlight assembly for my Envoy. Found it on Amazon for $44 after shipping, and yes, no tax. The EXACT SAME PART from the EXACT SAME BRAND NAME (aftermaket) was close to $200 at all of the local brick and mortar Auto Parts store. The tax savings was meaningless.

That being said, I don't see how a state (where the buyer is located) can charge sales tax on an item that was sold in another state. I do, however, see where a state (where the seller is located) can make the retailer charge tax. Tax collected should be from the location where the item was bought, not shipped to.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting darthluke12694 (Thread starter):
Many people buy online because there is no sales tax, which makes me ask, do you agree with paying sales tax online?


In Canada, our value-added tax (national) is applied on-line as well as at the checkout.

Quoting darthluke12694 (Thread starter):
So what are your thoughts on this issue? Should the internet be a "tax free" zone? Or should online retailers be forced to collect sales tax?

No and yes. As DocLightning pointed out, no tax online penalises local bricks-and-mortars outfits.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 15):
I don't see how a state (where the buyer is located) can charge sales tax on an item that was sold in another state. I do, however, see where a state (where the seller is located) can make the retailer charge tax. Tax collected should be from the location where the item was bought, not shipped to.

I see what you are saying, I think I can agree with this. My Nike.com order should have been tax free since Nike itself is based in Oregon, a sales tax free state. I should be able to take advantage of that right off the bat. But they still charged me $10 sales tax. That makes no sense.

If I buy a product in the State of California, I'll be happy to pay sales tax to that State since that is where it came from. It supports their economy. Now if I buy a product from a Sales Tax Free State (like Oregon or Alaska(?) for example), then I should have my order tax free.

I don't know, I am now feeling 50/50 on this issue.... It really depends on the situation.



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 15):
Tax collected should be from the location where the item was bought, not shipped to.

Actually, the law has it other way around. IIRC, people who buy from Amazon are obligated to pay the sales taxes to the state where they personally reside, if they get around to it. Of course, nobody does it, this isn't open to new legal theories really.

As far as I know, Best Buy officially matches Amazon prices 100% if you bring it to their attention. I know Target does.
See here: http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/08/tar...bestbuy-com-toyrus-com-year-round/

But if you are buying a $700 TV, that is 50 bucks in sales taxes Target or Best Buy will charge you, that Amazon will not. It is the elephant in the room for these guys.


User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3054 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 15):
I do, however, see where a state (where the seller is located) can make the retailer charge tax.

US sales tax system is a complete mess. IIRC there are some 3,500 different schedules depending on product and location including such fun rules as tax only collected on the first x dollars of each item. E.g. if I have a business located in Ft Lauderdale and and someone buy things in my store the rate is 6% but if I ship it to Miami-Dade the rate is 7% but that extra 1% is only for the first 5,000 on any item. So if I sell two items for 5,500 each the tax is (5,500 x 6% + 5,000 x 1%) x 2 = 760 but if I make a package of the two items then the tax is (11,000 x 6% + 5,000 x 1%) = 710. It s crazy.

That said the principle is that you pay the tax where the item(s) is delivered. Something that follows how it is done in international trade.


User currently offlinedarthluke12694 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 15):
That being said, I don't see how a state (where the buyer is located) can charge sales tax on an item that was sold in another state. I do, however, see where a state (where the seller is located) can make the retailer charge tax. Tax collected should be from the location where the item was bought, not shipped to.

I agree. I don't see how it is fair where if I was to buy something online from New York, yet Tennessee would charge the sales tax. New York would be getting ripped off on sales tax.

I think we would be better off with some sort of universal online sales tax, but I can't see that happening.



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User currently offlinetz757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2867 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

This is one of the few times it's actually nice to live in DE (0%).

But I am for it. If you are buying a product from somewhere that has sales tax, tax it like it was being bought there in person.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 21):
If you are buying a product from somewhere that has sales tax, tax it like it was being bought there in person.

   Agreed. It shouldn't matter where the purchaser is residing in.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3030 times:
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As far as I know, if an online retailer has ANY business presence in a state, they are required to collect sales tax in that state. For example, Amazon has a call center in GFK. Hence, I need to pay sales tax. However, if I order it as a gift and ship it to another state where they don't have a presence, no tax is charged.


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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 22):
Agreed. It shouldn't matter where the purchaser is residing in.

It doesn't. It matters where the goods are delivered.


25 AirframeAS : No, it should not. It matters where the goods either 1) Are shipped from or.... 2) The state where the HQ is collecting the money. The sales taxes, I
26 rfields5421 : For what ever reasons, sales tax is the major funding source of most states. For online retailers to be exempt from the collection of sales tax on sal
27 rfields5421 : I'm sure the state of Arkansas would love to collect sales taxes on all sales at Walmarts worldwide.
28 AirframeAS : No, it was not. It was shipped from a warehouse in Florida, which I was completely surprised about. That probably explains why I paid $10 in FL sales
29 Fabo : The one problem I see with this is - all the e-shops would register in Oregon, and there you go. The idea is, (or at least is should be), to minimise
30 rfields5421 : So you believe online retailers should be given a strong business advantage over brick and mortar stores? That the small business man get the shaft b
31 Post contains images AirframeAS : What I am saying is this, in case you cannot read: I don't care. I am not shopping at a small business if the product is not available through them.
32 N867DA : I am surprised online retailers have been able to push back for so long--it's about time tax is collected from online retailer! Tax should be collecte
33 tugger : Put simply, I think that online retailers should have to do the same things as other business that sell and operate within a state. A brick and morta
34 AirframeAS : Ah, yes... now that you mention this, I forgot about that. Well, I have never ordered over the phone or through the mail before this internet sales t
35 ltbewr : Requiring online and mail order retailers to collect and forward sales taxes to the states where they are sent to leads to a costly nightmare. Not onl
36 Post contains images Superfly : Most people buy online because of convenience, many items aren't available at the local store and in my case, I buy old records & tapes as well a
37 cmf : That doesn't make any sense when you think about it. No-one likes to pay tax but reality is that bills must get paid. In a way sales tax is a fee for
38 darthluke12694 : Sorry, I meant more for big ticket items and avoiding more $50 or more in sales tax. But yes, you are right, many people also buy online because it i
39 Post contains images Superfly : I bought my car on ebay and the state collected their taxes when I registered the vehicle. High dollar items tend to be cars, motorcycles, boats, RVs
40 Aesma : In the EU where value added tax is common, online makes no difference. However when you order from another member country, it used to be that you paid
41 darthluke12694 : Yes, but I am also right. For example, at my local Best Buy a Nikon D300s is $1699.99. On Amazon, it's only a four dollars cheaper BUT no sales tax.
42 zippyjet : I'm about as enthusiastic as sales taxing on Internet goods as I am about getting a colonoscopy! In addition to the higher costs, prices will rise due
43 Post contains images Superfly : Kudos to Amazon and the buyer. The government needs to learn to stop spending so much much that they don't even generate. The consumer and private se
44 nws2002 : You would pay the sales tax at the brick-and-mortar store, but at least in Oklahoma you might also owe use tax when you bring the item back into the
45 JJJ : Is there anything stopping your local BB from putting setting up a computer in the shop (or immediately outside the shop) with an order form ready to
46 N801NW : No. You can even order from their website and do an in-store pickup a few minutes later. The issue is that BB has a physical "nexus" is the state so
47 rfields5421 : States have proposed two solutions for online retailers in their attempts to get federal legislation passed to require that retailers collect and sub
48 KiwiRob : Of course you had a choice, nobody forced you to buy it, you made that decision.
49 Post contains images Superfly : Had no choice in terms of where to buy it, genius. Would private sellers be exempt? How about those that set up an online store of stuff from their b
50 bongodog1964 : The problem comes when states offer highly advantageous tax rates for businesses to relocate. You then run the risk of having a huge on line retailer
51 darthluke12694 : I understand. I've done that on eBay. However, I've never had to pay the tax and I shouldn't have to because tax was already paid when the item was b
52 KiwiRob : Not everyone sells clunkers on the net, you might have found one in a breakers yard, under a tarp in someones back yard or in a barn. You always have
53 AirframeAS : Back in 2010 when I visited my mother, I bought a lot of stuff in Oregon that totaled to about $200. Brought it back to Colorado and never paid the Co
54 Post contains images Superfly : You don't owe Colorado jack! Wow! Luckily I haven't seen that.
55 windy95 : No...Unless we changed the Tax code to the "Fair Tax" and made everything a straight sales consumption tax. Other wise keep their money grubbing hand'
56 max999 : In the case of Amazon.com, I wouldn't want to be taxed by the company's HQ. Washington state has no income tax so in order to make up the revenue, Se
57 AirframeAS : That is about to change, or so I'm told. Who knows. Washington State is one of the very few States that don't have income tax. But I now live in Colo
58 max999 : Please ignore...delete please.[Edited 2013-01-16 12:34:46]
59 nws2002 : In that case you wouldn't owe a use tax because the product (a meal) was consumed in Oregon.
60 GuitrThree : Well then they should move. Simple as that. This is where states can be competitive and drive industries (jobs) to their state. Lower the tax rate, o
61 tugger : My short answer is "yes". How else will communities be able to keep up the roads etc required to get the goods to the recipient? In general I believe
62 Fabo : Tax the shipping companies for road tax? Out here, any vehicle over 3,5 tonnes (minus reasonable exceptions such as firetrucks etc.) pays a tax on ev
63 LFutia : Here in Illinois, my county -- Cook County once had the HIGHEST sales tax in the nation stating at 10,25% in the City of Chicago. as of now, suburbs
64 AirframeAS : That's exactly my point! The taxes should be assessed in the State of the point of origin regardless of what the product was.
65 tugger : And those taxes goes to the state of the sale? I might just be able to support that as it would decrease the "vampire" aspect where states may create
66 zippyjet : Legalize prostitution. This way when she climaxes the state will have an ample wads of cash (fumds) to shoot their load for other programs.
67 tugger : Agreed, it should be legalized and regulated. Of course if it comes via an online transaction, which sates gets the tax? The state where the storefro
68 Superfly : Why? San Francisco tried that and the hookers all got fat and no one wanted to hire them anymore. I can't think of any new laws that would be require
69 aerorobnz : I purchase stuff on Amazon, it is much cheaper than buying stuff locally in New Zealand and of course being an international purchase it is VAT exempt
70 Fabo : I thought it was pretty obvious that private sale of used items should not be taxed?
71 tugger : Health. I haven't said one word about Amazon or any online retailer. However, as you are noting, if we do look at and separate the two types of busin
72 AirframeAS : Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.... Taxes to either the Sate it was shipped from or taxes to the State that said company is HQ'd in. It gets the
73 tugger : So you do not think that states that create a good and desirable living location for their citizens and create a good consumer base deserve anything
74 max999 : That's an overly simplistic, black & white answer to where businesses locate themselves. If we extend your logic that businesses only care about
75 tugger : By the way I forgot to address this: Consumers, state citizens, are actually required by law to pay the in state sales taxes for any product they buy
76 GuitrThree : Umm? Ever ship from the Cayman Islands? I'm betting it's a little more costly... How about China? Buy things with free shipping from China and it tak
77 Flighty : But Kansas or whatever has no jurisdiction to tell Amazon (in another state) to send them an invoice. Kansas also can't place limits on you placing o
78 Flighty : Speaking of that, really am interested: are these China sellers effectively skating around US postage? I fail to see how a 3 dollar item with free sh
79 fr8mech : No, it's just that the $3 item and many other items are being shipped over in containers that have room and that were priced out at a flat rate. It y
80 Post contains images Superfly : Doesn't sound like it based on some of the replies. Seems like some members here are happy with as many new taxes as possible. True but they wouldn't
81 tugger : I understand what you are saying yet, to use Amazon as the example, many states where Amazon is not based got Amazon to agree to collect that tax. Th
82 DocLightning : Hardly. It can be taken care of with a small piece of software and handled automatically for every purchase based on the shipping address.
83 JJJ : You can shift that burden on to the buyer. The seller just has to add some kind of form stating the value, and have the buyer pay tax on arrival. USP
84 PanHAM : Very simple. Get VAT. Companies with a tax number do not pay VAT online in Europe, individuals do pay heir local VAT rate with the purchase of the goo
85 Superfly : Well of course we aunderstand the purpose for taxes but the government get's plenty already. No need to introduce new taxes. ??? We're not talking an
86 rfields5421 : The physical transaction occurs upon delivery, not upon submitting the order or shipping. Sales tax is based upon the physical transfer of ownership
87 Post contains links tugger : Look, I am fine with not increasing taxes in general (though I realize it cannot be a fixed thing like the mantra "no new taxes"). I did not vote for
88 Superfly : Spoken like a politician. Sounds like you have a future in elected office. No we're not. We're talking about an online sales tax.
89 darthluke12694 : You do have a point. In my county, a couple years ago we voted for a 25 cent tax increase on wheel tax to build a new high school. But as Superfly sa
90 N801NW : I think we are talking about a change in the method of collection of an existing tax. My state's Sales & Use Tax requires merchants to collect the
91 N867DA : How is a tax for online orders different from taxes on mail-order or telephone purchases? They are based on where the recipient lives. The recipient'
92 Post contains images tugger : Not possible, what I am saying is true. Yes, and you are not making the obvious and important connection. Yes we are talking about applying sales tax
93 Superfly : Yes I have. We all know the purpose of taxes. Government doesn't know how to spend out tax dollars wisely so why give them more access to tax more?
94 cmf : The question at hand is - Do You Agree With Online Sales Tax. It isn't - do you agree with with how the money is spent.
95 par13del : The payment is made before the physical transaction take place, funds are actually removed from your account at purchase. Except as above, online pay
96 rfields5421 : You've never bought furniture or large appliances? Same thing. You give them your credit card and you sit and wait for delivery - sometimes months. O
97 Superfly : ....and many disagree with a new tax because of the way government spends tax dollars they already collect.
98 cmf : ... which is a different issue. But why be part of the solution when you can be part of the problem...
99 tugger : Do you think the USA would have become the nation it is without taxes? Yes taxes are not a "all good" thing, yes they can be misspent, but especially
100 Superfly : The looks like a statement, not a question. Spoken like a true politician. Of course it doesn't makes sense to you. You want the government to get as
101 rfields5421 : Okay - you are for a NEW tax EXEMPTION. Thus, enforcement of current tax laws in an unequal and unfair method. Frankly, states are not really concern
102 tugger : OK, then posed as a question, what are your thoughts? If that is true, then your words are just as much those of a politician. OK, so where does that
103 Ken777 : I can remember some years back (when internet sales was just developing) one of the conservative commentators saying how critical is was to protect th
104 Post contains links tugger : That is the thing I don't get with some of the "tax" objections, sales taxes are among the most local of taxes and do more good work locally than oth
105 Superfly : What we have here is a difference of opinion. Simple as that and just because someone's opinion is different than yours doesn't mean that they're les
106 tugger : My disappointment had nothing to do with the difference in opinion we have. I know quite well that you and I have differences in opinion on many thin
107 Post contains images Superfly : Aw come on, let's be friends again. I interpreted any sort of new (expansion of) tax for online purchases as advocating more revenue to the governmen
108 rfields5421 : It is acutally not. It is an attempt to recover lost revenue for the billions of dollars in sales taxes no longer being collected across the states.
109 Post contains images Ken777 : Actually I have voted for more taxes most often when it is related to sales taxes - with property taxes coming in 2nd. As soon as you mentioned cars
110 par13del : If they are not replaced, or if the cost of existing services is not reduced or if services are lowered, there are always other factors involved. As
111 flipdewaf : Surely everything bought online is either with a debit or credit card which requires a billing address therefore you should apply taxes of that locati
112 Ken777 : Such as not needing to cut funding to the police department if you cut it from the fire department. The easiest approach is to have one tax level (pr
113 par13del : One tax level is fine, however, in this day and age of electronics there is no reason for the states to funnel all taxes to the feds, you would be bu
114 rfields5421 : The states have proposed two systems as part of federal legislation they are trying to get passed to required collection and payment of sales taxes f
115 Post contains images tugger : Well hell, of course! This is A.net after all. "D I gotcha. And please don't take my support for some taxes as being a blanket support for all taxes.
116 rwessel : All states that have a sales tax have a more-or-less matching use-tax that applies if you buy via mail/telephone/internet/whatever from a vendor that
117 par13del : So an honest question, if the state where the internet business is domiciled do not have a tax mechanism for online sales, the state where the consum
118 cmf : Is there a state that does not have it?
119 par13del : Based on the number items I have purchased from site like Amazon and some inlude sales tax and other do not yes, there are some state that are not ch
120 Ken777 : States proposing a federal system for anything is scary IMO. The reason why I like a Federal System is that it offers a forced uniformity to one syst
121 Mir : Sounds a whole lot more complicated than just having the federal government collect the tax directly from the sale. -Mir
122 Ken777 : It is a bit more complicated than that, but avoiding 50 state having their finger in the design pie simplifies it a lot. Also leaning on the credit c
123 rfields5421 : It would not be a federal system. One of the objections of Congress to a proposed federal law requiring online sellers to collect and pay the sales t
124 Post contains images AirframeAS : I feel like I'm talking to a damn wall, why don't you read what I wrote earlier and just maybe you'll find your answer. By the way, you sound like a
125 tugger : The big problem is the scale of online sales. Online sales are far more effective and capable than the others that you mentioned, as evidenced by the
126 Ken777 : I believe what we need is a federal level system. That allows for simplification of of the system itself, and for rapid payment to the various state
127 Post contains images par13del : Now if you could only get the federal government to look at this principle and simplify all the rules and regulations they foster on business across
128 Ken777 : Get something this simple going and you actually might find it happening. Of course my first suggestion for simplification would be to put all govern
129 Superfly : I don't know. Some members particularly the newer ones sound like they genuinely want to kill or imprison those that disagree with them. I certainly
130 Post contains links rwessel : As far as I know, *every* state that has a sales tax, also has a use tax for purchases made by residents of that state via mail/phone/internet (as we
131 Post contains images Ken777 : And you know how overloaded the states are trying to keep up with all the payments that come in from individuals.
132 rwessel : Errr... right?
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