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The NRA Is Now Using Obama's Children In Ad  
User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8442 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miSjvg1MH7s

Taken Down.

I don't know what the National Riffle Association is or was thinking or fantasizing about in pawning Obama's children in it's new ad now taken down.

I hope the leadership of the NRA gets investigated by the secret service and their hinds thrown in jail. I hope any gun owner in the NRA with a conscience will leave this bloody organization.

[Edited 2013-01-15 20:00:04]


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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8442 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Here it is

www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/nra-video-obama_n_2483118.html



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13509 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3411 times:
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Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
I hope the leadership of the NRA gets investigated by the secret service and their hinds thrown in jail.

For......?   



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User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

So the NRA is calling Obama a hyporcrite for having the Secret Service protect his kids? Someone should tell the NRA that the Secret Service has been protecting the Presidents family since the 60's.


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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 963 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
I don't know what the National Riffle Association is or was thinking or fantasizing about in pawning Obama's children in it's new ad now taken down.

I hope the leadership of the NRA gets investigated by the secret service and their hinds thrown in jail. I hope any gun owner in the NRA with a conscience will leave this bloody organization.

These are very sick individuals, so this attack reaction should not be a surprise.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5418 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 2):
For......?

For wanting to bankrupt the country?

Do you realize how much it would cost to provide the level of protection afforded the President and his family and extend that to all the schools in the nation? And remember the NRA is proposing that this all be paid for with public dollars.

That is criminally stupid.

Tugg



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7113 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 1):

I hope the leadership of the NRA gets investigated by the secret service and their hinds thrown in jail. I hope any gun owner in the NRA with a conscience will leave this bloody organization.

May I please ask you what in the world would they investigate them for???? Really this statement makes you sound like someone who wants the government to control what you eat for breakfast in the morning and what you watch on T.V. If you want the government to arrest people for talking about the President's children then move to North Korea.
I mean really?

I have no problem if you say the add is distasteful or its not fair game to use anyone's kids but jail, investigation? For what??

As for the add. I do find it of bad taste but the add is 100% correct. The first family has 24/7 armed security and for good reason. However those agents are also sitting in the kids school with their loaded guns. Semiauto pistols and automatic machine guns. President Obama should have no problem with this. They should have security however if its ok for the first children to have armed law enforcement in their schools why shouldn't the rest of us.

At the same time it is not a federal issue. If school districts want police or armed security or even armed principals they are allowed to do so. The point it makes Is Obama is not in the right to say armed police in schools is a horrible thing because his children currently have it and I am sure he is glad they do.

Everyone does realize that logically. Not politically, not tastefully but logically the argument makes perfect sense right? His family and all other presidential families have 24/7 armed security. This includes armed personnel in schools. So logically the president really is in no position to tell schools and parents that other armed personnel should not be in their schools too. Logic people.

And no the NRA is not asking for Secret Service Agents in every school. But maybe a police officer, a retired police officer would do. Every school is a bit of a stretch but if a schools district sees it fit and has the money for it I see no reason to be against it. That is the point, pres Obama should not be against it.

Again he has nothing to do with this issue anyway, he does not decide who can't and can have a gun in state run schools.

[Edited 2013-01-15 21:08:47]


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5418 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 6):
The point it makes Is Obama is not in the right to say armed police in schools is a horrible thing because his children currently have it and I am sure he is glad they do.

He was perfectly right to say such a thing in response to the NRA's call for armed guards at all schools across the nation. The vast majority of schools are not environments where it is needed or even desired, the fact that a nut job will do something, somewhere, and sometimes at a school is not a reason to call for every school to be armed. That is what he was right in calling out. The NRA was stupid in their statement but they have decided to go all in and so lets see how they do.

Tugg

[Edited 2013-01-15 21:16:22]


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User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 963 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 3):
So the NRA is calling Obama a hyporcrite for having the Secret Service protect his kids? Someone should tell the NRA that the Secret Service has been protecting the Presidents family since the 60's.

Singling out the Obama family, and ignoring the obvious truth with this type of trashy 'spin' just makes it look like the NRA is desparate to get more commercial time on Fox News.




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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 6):
however if its ok for the first children to have armed law enforcement in their schools why shouldn't the rest of us.

If everyone having a gun in a school is trained and checked to the same degree, sure, by all means.

This video is nothing but an attempt to poison the discussion.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6525 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Well even if nobody (except LEO) had guns the secret service would still protect those children with guns. It only takes a knife or a hunting rifle to hit them.


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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

I wonder who would have the authority to choose those armed guards?

Quoting flymia (Reply 6):
His family and all other presidential families have 24/7 armed security. This includes armed personnel in schools. So logically the president really is in no position to tell schools and parents that other armed personnel should not be in their schools too. Logic people.

That's because his family is way more likely target of terrorism and other violence than your average American family is, nothing logical to put armed guards on every school because of that.

I think any society that needs armed guards in regular schools without family members of the president or similar has something seriously wrong.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

What struck me most is the NRA's apparently prevailing attitude of petulant annoyance about being bothered with the recent carnage at all, as if the mass killing by itself wasn't really something of relevance to them.

The absence of a more than just perfunctory human response that might permit a look beyond their role of mere weapons lobbyists.

But no, instead they drag the President's kids into the spotlight, abusing their protection detail which has nothing to do with them being kids, but only with the job their father is doing, as a political cudgel.

These people clearly have no shame whatsoever.

Nor any sense of proportion.

Nor of compassion.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7113 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Too all the responses from my comments I enjoy how you all put words in my statements.

I never said all schools need armed guards or shoulda have armed gaurds. This is not the point. The point is Obama clearly reacted against the NRA statement about armed gaurds. Yet his own family uses them. For good cause of course they should have USSS protection. But to say that is a crazy idea, and idea not meant for schools is a bit hypocritical. It should be up to,schools ands state districts as it is. The video is just giving a different perspective. You have a man telling the country guns in schools is a horrible idea while his own children are protect by semi auto pistols and fully automatic machine guns. Again I think they should have this protection but to say its a horrendous idea to give other children armed protection I'd their schools feels it fit is just not right.

Not a federal issue anyway. So not that important of an issue, so I agree that it is a video trying to cut away from the real problems.



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User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting Skydrol (Reply 8):
NRA is desparate

They're just showing their true colors is all. They suspect President Obama will soon be cutting into their profits by banning certain weapons and they're pissed off about it. So what do they do? They drag two very innocent children into their twisted attempt to attack the President. Nice.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6129 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3263 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 6):
Everyone does realize that logically. Not politically, not tastefully but logically the argument makes perfect sense right? His family and all other presidential families have 24/7 armed security. This includes armed personnel in schools. So logically the president really is in no position to tell schools and parents that other armed personnel should not be in their schools too. Logic people.

The argument makes no logic at all. Fallacious would be the way to put it, because:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 11):
That's because his family is way more likely target of terrorism and other violence than your average American family is, nothing logical to put armed guards on every school because of that.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6577 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
Again I think they should have this protection but to say its a horrendous idea to give other children armed protection I'd their schools feels it fit is just not right.

It's a horrendous idea because it doesn't really solve the root problem. You'll never solve gun violence problems by simply throwing more guns at it. The NRA is just looking for a "quick fix" that keeps the gun manufacturers happy and nothing more.

Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
Not a federal issue anyway. So not that important of an issue, so I agree that it is a video trying to cut away from the real problems.

I agree it's not a federal issue, but the President and NRA are certainly welcome to their opinion.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3105 times:
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Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
Good fir the NRA

So the President should call for every child in the US to have Secret Service Personnel at the expense of the tax payers.

Is that what the NRA wants?

Anything different will make the President a hypocrite - really.

Does the Ryan budget include this expense?



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
If Obummer can moleste the memoires of twenty kids and then surround himself with kids in a clear propaganda move as he takes away our cuvil rights then I have no problem with bringing in his kids and the hyprocrocy of their protection

Hah, and you think it's respectful from NRA towards memory of those kids to promote having even more guns around in the US? In the end the clear fact is that big amount of guns is directly linked to big amount of school shootings and other gun violence like that.

Of course typical criminals can get guns no matter restrictions, however majority of school shootings and other acts like that are committed by young mentally ill people with most of the time little to no serious criminal history.



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User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Obama and other media members like David Gregory have been hypocritical on this matter. They say the expected lines about being skeptical about armed guards in schools being an effective way to deter shootings, yet their children go to schools with heavy presence from guards--presumably armed. Actions speak louder than words. If they truly believed what they said, they'd pull their kids from such a school. But they know where the truth lies and won't do that. Armed guards are better than no armed guards. So their words mean nothing.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7113 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

We are talking about trained police here. You guys who are saying the NRA wants Secret Service at every school don't be so ridiculous you know that's not the point. What they say should happen is more police officers in schools. In Miami-Dade there is a whole separate police dept just for schools. However, most of their patrols are in high schools and some middle schools not elementary schools.

The NRA for the school thing protection thing is not asking for more guns to whoever. They are asking that trained professionals whether it be police officers, or school officials have a weapon. And not every teacher one or two in the school would likely do. It has happened saves children beafore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

I don't see how having police in a school would add more guns to the streets or increase violence.

Again I know this isn't the larger problem of gun violence in the country. I understand that, but its not a bad idea to keep schools safe.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3054 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 21):
We are talking about trained police here. You guys who are saying the NRA wants Secret Service at every school

Because anything less is not what the Obama girls get. Simple.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

That and I am tired of my tax dollars going to seven million dollar vacations for those two brats


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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
That and I am tired of my tax dollars going to seven million dollar vacations for those two brats

Nah, clearly the only issue to you is that the father of those two brats is not Republican. And that money is nothing compared to all the money US military wastes every year to develop even better methods of killing people abroad instead of concentrating on actual defense. And no, killing religious fundamentalists in countries like Afghanistan isn't going to help US security at all.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5564 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):

I hope the leadership of the NRA gets investigated by the secret service and their hinds thrown in jail.

For exercising their First Amendment right to free speech?


Typical.



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25 Mir : Saying that armed guards in schools is not an effective way to deter shootings (which is true) is not the same as saying that armed guards in schools
26 KiwiRob : I fail to see how having an armed guard in every school will stop school shootings. Schools generally cover a large area with multiple buildings, the
27 Post contains links FlyPNS1 : Except it won't. Columbine had an armed officer on duty, it didn't deter the school from being attacked and didn't prevent a slew of people from gett
28 windy95 : For what? Or is Obama going to make a Presidential decree limiting their first amendment right's? Yes they are. And while we are at ti whynot talk ab
29 mt99 : Oh - so have made the math.. care to share on how you get to a "few billion" - In any case - you would be OK with the expense?
30 windy95 : Yes at the local level if your state or county want's it. But nothing funded form the Federal level. Just like health care should be.
31 mt99 : So your mention of Healthcare had nothing to do with it.. I see.. DO any of the laws proposed prevent local or state governments to implement?
32 windy95 : I do not think that the States should acknowledge any federal firearm laws.
33 mt99 : You did not answer my question
34 Post contains images itsjustme : No. The NRA's executive VP has specifically called on Congress to act immediately “to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officer
35 pvjin : That's only because presidents before him messed everything up through their ignorant foreign politics. At least he hasn't started a war killing huge
36 mt99 : As pointed out bu itsjustme, it looks like you do t not agree with the NRA: he NRA's executive VP has specifically called on Congress to act immediat
37 itsjustme : One suggestion I have for the NRA is, before you go calling people hypocrites, perhaps you should look in the mirror. Not too long ago, they went on N
38 2707200X : This is why I support Obama's gun control laws and the enhanced protection of Obamas children. If you need a stockpile on assault riffles and a mound
39 DeltaMD90 : For what? What crime did they commit? I mean I disagree with their line of thinking and know that the President's kids will obviously be a higher tar
40 Post contains links mt99 : But a handful (gun manufactures, for example) provide most of the funding. This is prettty telling: "This program is geared toward your company's cor
41 DeltaMD90 : Yes, and? How is the NRA different from any lobbyist group out there? Again, I don't agree with a lot they do but at least they represent gun owners
42 mt99 : And? Nothing.. just pointing out that you were wrong when you said: I have not made any value judgement on the fact that it supported by a handful of
43 DeltaMD90 : Oh well I think you misunderstood what I originally said. I am not doubting lobbying is a big part of it all, I was just noting that the NRA is not j
44 Mir : You're a rational, responsible gun owner; is what the NRA has been doing of late really representing your interests? Because it seems to me like they
45 luv2fly : His kids or brats as you want to call them, have been a whole lot less grief then the Bush girls.
46 Post contains links luv2fly : Also Obama has vacationed far less then Bush did. http://politic365.com/2012/05/08/oba...president-bush-racked-up-the-most/
47 DeltaMD90 : No, and I have touched on that. But they do represent my interests to a degree. My point was they aren't just a corporate slave, they do have million
48 itsjustme : Well first, no one other than the NRA knows the true number of members they have. Secondly, George Kollitides, the CEO of the company that manufactur
49 KiwiRob : It's staggering to think that that turkey spent 1020 days on holiday, you really only had the halfwit in charge for 5 of his 8 years, kinda scary thi
50 2707200X : Alright on EA CO AS Maverick, DeltaMD90 forget jail, overruled on my part on the count of heat of the moment but I find the gun security comparisons
51 Post contains links jetmech : Obama is doing something in order to reduce the chances of such an event happening again, whilst the NRA couldn't give a stuff as long as they get to
52 roswell41 : And there we disagree. What the President is proposing will not reduce the chances of another Sandy Hook happening as such events are incredibly rare
53 jetmech : Would the proposals of the NRA be more effective in reducing Sandy Hook type events? Gun massacres are unfortunately, far from being rare in the US.
54 roswell41 : This is easy to answer: because Sandy Hook took place on 12/14/2012 - after the November general election. Gun rights have become the third rail in A
55 sccutler : I do not believe it possible that the majority of participants do not understand the message, but I'll grant benefit of doubt out of boundless charity
56 dragon-wings : Well one of the measures in Obama's plan is to provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. Will that satisfy the NRA?
57 Post contains links mt99 : It shouldn't. The only thing that should satisfy them is federally funded (ie tax payer funded) secret service level protection for every single chil
58 jetmech : A fair point you make; however, even without any supposed gun control agenda, there was no guarantee that Obama would be re-elected, so if he really
59 qantas077 : So you'd rather your tax dollars go towards more guns in schools? Now if that's not promoting bigger government then I don't know what is...you sure
60 DeltaMD90 : No it does, but I was never denying politics. I was arguing something else and it got sidetracked, honestly To be fair, no one is saying that having
61 Mir : Because they happen to align with the interests of the gun industry, yes. Although, as you've pointed out, they don't always align, and in those case
62 Post contains links tugger : Careful you know what the stat is for being at risk and owning a gun versus not owning a gun.... http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.ful
63 Darksnowynight : Actually, they're even worse. They want these guards to be unpaid volunteers. All of that, plus no longterm thinking ability as well. They honestly b
64 DeltaMD90 : I don't concern myself with those stats... with proper training, it's impossible to kill yourself or others. My muzzle will never be facing towards a
65 tugger : I believe the stat also derives from the fact that if someone means you harm then having a gun near you also means that a gun is near the person that
66 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I don't I agree and have thought this even before any of these shootings. To me, I feel bad as a gun owner when I see Jim Bob shoot his friend in the
67 roswell41 : Look, anything greater than 0 mass shootings is too many. Let me be clear. I just disagree with the President's agenda and proposals for stopping the
68 Pu : I think the gun toting rednecks have helped destroy what used to be the fiscally conservative party in America. The fact that NRA gun lovers in Indian
69 roswell41 : I didn't realize 'gun toting rednecks' are for big government. In fact, I honestly don't know any 'gun toting rednecks'. I can assure you there are p
70 sccutler : Absolutely! They are (as every President and family) in a position of great risk without extraordinary protective measures. But that was never my poi
71 Post contains images flyguy89 : Typical Leftist response: Disagree with something? Throw the person in jail Call them whatever you want, but people are voting with their feet. Gun s
72 Akiestar : I find this incredulous. I fail to see how the Second Amendment should be taken at such a literal level that essentially we should have no regulation
73 ImperialEagle : Well, it's the gun-toting Secret Service that protects the President's children now. I think the point is that ALL children deserve the same protecti
74 Post contains images cmf : So they can ignore the second amendment. Is there anything federal they should follow? Always name calling, sad. But what can be expected by someone
75 Post contains links itsjustme : He's already said that was an emotional comment so let it go. Geez. Thanks solely to the scare tactics of the NRA. That's according to the NRA. No on
76 Post contains images flyguy89 : I could say the same thing about yourself, but then again we're both a little biased. Really? If that were truly the case then Congress wouldn't be r
77 cmf : Only because you do not care about reality. Oh please, learn to use statistics. NRA & CO is extremely vocal and well organized in making their me
78 Post contains images itsjustme : A better source? Sure, except the NRA will only say how many members they have. They refuse to release any documentation to support what could concei
79 2707200X : I already recanted the remark. Read the below comments below the title. I wish the same can be said about the NRA ad that uses Sasha and Malia as paw
80 DeltaMD90 : I don't think he's against everyone that has a gun or anything, I think he's just pointing out some of the ridiculousness of some of gun owners' argu
81 flyguy89 : Likewise my friend. And so is the Left (isn't the Obama for America campaign still active?), what's your point? I know the Left always love to convey
82 Flighty : So because law enforcement officials have guns, every idiot and freak should have a gun? Mrs. Lanza included? I fail to see the logic.
83 itsjustme : I believe you're referring to "Force Continuum". However, it may not be seen as being applicable in the civilian world. For example, level one of the
84 cptkrell : While I don't agree with the NRA ad (I've seen it several times) and think it was not in good taste, politicians, who are often purveyors of poor tast
85 DeltaMD90 : I think the whole President Obama using children thing is way overblown. Who cares? It's a political ploy, very cheesy IMO but I don't see them as paw
86 Post contains images flyguy89 : This pretty much describes why I couldn't care less about this NRA ad. I could certainly agree that it's not in the best taste, but outraged? I just
87 cptkrell : DeltaMD90 (Rep85); if you were referring to my post (Rep 84), you have written the words "pawns" and not seeing "President Obama being a Socialist War
88 itsjustme : The kids weren't "props". Each one had written a letter to President Obama after the Sandy Hook shootings asking him to do something.
89 DeltaMD90 : I'm not pointing out anyone, I just think the whole premise of it is dumb. Doesn't mean I think those who talk about it is dumb, feel free to think w
90 LTBEWR : I bet almost all of the executive staff of the NRA sends their kids, if they have K-12 aged ones or when they were that age, to private or religious s
91 Flighty : Children are people too. They should be included in politics more often. Particularly when we talk about our long term budget problems. The children
92 windy95 : Yes they are props...How many kids who write letter's to the President about their mother's not aborting them does he trot out in front of him? It wa
93 seb146 : So, when the Bush girls ran around drunk tearing up a hotel in Argentina, Secret Service was there. Now, the right-wing is saying Secret Service shoul
94 Post contains links connies4ever : Here's an interesting take on the NRA: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...sm_domestic_violence_and_drug.html Now, since I'm Canadian and don't dir
95 Post contains links itsjustme : Careful when you use such a sweeping word as "impossible". Granted, in these two examples, death didn't occur. However, due to the recklessness of th
96 cmf : Hyperbole? Again, I don't remember anyone suggesting years, but I have repeatedly said that the few hours of training required today isn't enough. I
97 Post contains links and images Skyservice_330 : I can only assume you were equally outraged (disgusted) when Former President Bush used men and women in uniform as props during his 'Mission Accompl
98 flyguy89 : ...at least not the reality you want to see. Sure it is, the political Left is hand-in-hand with Progressive ideology, a cornerstone of which is the
99 Darksnowynight : Absolutely. It's pretty clear that most of the gun people here haven't actually read that statement. Particularly if note is the half-baked plan they
100 Post contains images cmf : Plenty of rights wanting gun control. Plenty of lefts wanting guns without responsibility. It is not a party line issue. Not even in the same ballpar
101 Post contains images flyguy89 : Perhaps not party line, but it is absolutely an ideological issue. I've yet to meet a single self-labeled Progressive (not necessarily a Democrat) wh
102 cws818 : Considering that Obama has been President for only four years, probably a tiny amount. How many four year olds do you know who write letters to the P
103 Maverick623 : The only thing that Sandy Hook Elementary didn't have in your list was the last item. The front and side doors were locked tight. He went in through
104 cmf : No it isn't. It is however used by many to polarize the discussion. The right? The right doesn't stand unified behind one policy. No, you can't take
105 flyguy89 : You're obviously not familiar then with the genesis of Progressivism/Statism vs. Classical Liberalism/Constitutionalism. Except for the belief that t
106 KiwiRob : You don't get it, if a person wants to kill a lot of people quickly (which is what a massacre is) the size of the magazine is of consequence.
107 Post contains links cmf : Most people are smarter than following party lines. Especially when they are hijacked by tea party, etc. Look at what Reagan did. No problem for repu
108 itsjustme : Perhaps not. But the size of the magazine has been proven to have an impact on the number of casualties. Yet when addressing what steps are necessary
109 flyguy89 : And you didn't read my original response to the proposition. Restricting magazine size might reduce the casualties, but it's of no consequence to the
110 Post contains links jetmech : It's probably nothing more than the usual adolescent / teenage angst. Perhaps the unique feature in the US is something to do with all the guns? An a
111 Post contains links itsjustme : And it continues. 'Horrific' New Mexico shooting leaves 5 dead; investigators arrest 15-year-old Investigators did not released the names of the victi
112 Post contains links and images TheCommodore : And continues and continues by the looks of things...... 900 more gun deaths since Sandy Hook tragedy ! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.c
113 Post contains images itsjustme : Prepare to be told by more than a few here that guns have absolutely nothing to do with gun-related murders in the U.S. (that sounds ludicrous even a
114 Darksnowynight : Nahh, but a lot more than you apparently. A. No part of that amendment specifies firearms, let alone the extremes we've abused it to thus far. B. If
115 varigb707 : Expect the unexpected from the NRA (National Raygun ASSociation).
116 Post contains images TheCommodore : Really Have you got any date to back that up ?
117 Darksnowynight : I guess I forgot to put up the sarcasm smiley. No, what I'm saying is that I agree that the cost of 30 lives a day will never, ever, be offset by the
118 Pellegrine : What a dumbass ill-concieved ad. Any president's children should be protected because they are potential targets. Democrat or Republican, liberal or c
119 Darksnowynight : Absolutely. This would have been just as outrageous if it was the Bush twins.
120 Post contains links itsjustme : An autopsy won't document whether or not a person was armed prior to their demise, but I understand your point. However, it is a bit flawed in your e
121 Post contains images flyguy89 : Really? Because there's over 200 years of judicial precedence and litigation supporting my position and none supporting yours, yet you're the one who
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