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Algerian Hostage Crisis Ends In Deaths  
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

In what has been described as a 'bungled raid' by the Algerian army, it appears most of the hostages have been killed. Various nationalities have lost lives, including the UK and US.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Britons-die-in-bungled-rescue.html

Both the UK and the US offered military assistance to bring the situation to an end, but this was refused. GREAT choice there Algeria, thanks a bunch.   

Very sad.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Terrible, RIP. As bad as this sounds, even 1 person surviving an AQ hostage is welcome news. I hope there are indeed more survivors but as said, we should be braced for the worst

A lot of times AQ makes the demands so outrageous the hostages have no chance of making it out  



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
A lot of times AQ makes the demands so outrageous the hostages have no chance of making it out

Perhaps, but a real shame they didn't let more experienced military personnel attempt rescue.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5798 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
In what has been described as a 'bungled raid' by the Algerian army, it appears most of the hostages have been killed. Various nationalities have lost lives, including the UK and US.

Hmmm, From what I had read there were something like 300 hostages. So while 30 people dying is bad it is not "all of them". We'll have to wait and see what has actually occurred and just how bad it is.

Tugg



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
A lot of times AQ makes the demands so outrageous the hostages have no chance of making it out

Which is when you send in professionals to put bullets in their heads in a proficient military manner.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 3):
Hmmm, From what I had read there were something like 300 hostages

Wow, I have to admit I didn't realise there were that many.

The British PM seems pretty peeved though.....



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
Perhaps, but a real shame they didn't let more experienced military personnel attempt rescue.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Which is when you send in professionals to put bullets in their heads in a proficient military manner.

Oh I wasn't talking about the fact that the Algerian government denied assistance. Dumb move, I agree



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

For the number of hostages, figures as high as 400 have been mentioned. This is because most are/were Algerians (as you would expect in Algeria), and for some reason news sources decided to put hostages in several categories, making the whole affair more difficult to understand.

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Both the UK and the US offered military assistance to bring the situation to an end, but this was refused.

Well, both the UK and US would never accept military assistance from Algeria, so it's understandable. And not new, in 1978 with an AF plane involved the same thing happened, so now Algeria supposedly has trained teams for such things.

We don't have enough information yet, but from what I heard, I doubt a better outcome would have been achieved by anybody else, there were explosive belts involved, and of course the terrorists were ready for martyrdom.

What is really a concern is rather that the attack could happen and succeed to begin with, as Algeria is always claiming to have a tight grip on its borders (and is in fact claiming the raid came from inside, which might be true).

As for negotiating with terrorists in such situations, it hasn't worked in a long time, and the Algerian army is killing terrorists on a regular basis, they're not going to even pretend to agree to negotiate.



New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Apparently representatives frokm the Norwegian Special Forces unit FSK was sendt to Alger on Wednesday to try and advice the Algerians. http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...il-Algerie-7095227.html#xtor=RSS-3

But they seem to have arrived to late. The Algerians does'nt seem to have spent alot of time on planning this operations .... It has been mentioned that the Algerian army used rockets fired from hellicopter ...

[Edited 2013-01-17 17:17:04]

[Edited 2013-01-17 17:25:10]

User currently offlineDNDTUF From France, joined Feb 2012, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2596 times:

Very sad indeed. From reading the press here in France and also the Francophone Algérie Press Service, it would appear that Algeria was reluctant to accept any outside intervention (which is completely understandable given that this happened on Algerian territory with most of the hostages being Algerian citizens). It would seem that, again quite understabably, Algeria doesn't want to seem soft on Islamist terrorism, so took the heavy handed decision to attack the gas field via aerial intervention. Given the country's position at the heart of the Mediterranean, Arab states and Africa, I can only imagine the pressure the government was under. I think everyone should wait for more details before condemning anything.

On another note, France's terror threat level, the Vigipirate, has been heightened to red, the second highest level, given the recent developments in Mali. I hope that the recent events in Algeria won't provoke any sort of retribution in France.

I've heard that several Scottish citizens were caught up in this, let's hope for the best news possible for everyone who has been affected by this.

DNDTUF


User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2576 times:

9 Norwegians still unaccounted for ...

User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Incredibly rushed operation, I haven't read too much but to launch an enormous counter terrorism operation within 48 hours seems quite foolhardy considering they likely knew very little oh how many terrorists, where the hostages were being kept, what the terrorists were armed with. Crucial things to know before going in guns (rockets) blazing. The US, UK and others will rightly be pretty pissed that their citizens were so hastily thrown under the bus.

User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Over 20 Filipinos are unaccounted for. I hope they're all right.  
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/5...os-among-hostages-in-algeria---dfa


User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Well the operation wasn't rushed per se, TV news here said that it's the terrorists that attempted to escape with the hostages, precipitating the response.


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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Good for the Algerians standing up to the AQIM barbarians.

Algeria has always stood up to islamists and have always decimated them. It's sad that hostages had to die, but I applaud Algeria's government standing up to these savage nonsensical people.

I think the US, UK, and Japan need to shut up with regards to 'not being told ahead of time'. The US and UK do not run the world. Algeria can and will do as it pleases in its own country. What it has shown is resolve against militants.

Rather than turn this into a long, drawn out hostage mess. End it in just over 24 hours.    I think the next statement from Algeria should be, "we are not going to be beholden to terroristic activities of AQIM and spillover from North Mali. We will shoot and kill jihadists threatening our sovereignty in the quickest way possible."

Criticism against the Algerians is missing the point. Algerians don't negotiate with terrorists, just as the US Govt doesn't.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

So were there truly hundreds of hostages or just 41 like some Finnish news website is reporting? 30 dead from 41 seems like a horrible fail of Algerians, but then 30 dead from hundreds doesn't seem so bad result at all.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 14):
Algerians don't negotiate with terrorists, just as the US Govt doesn't.

Yeah and that usually costs blood of innocent civilians, but of course in some countries national pride is more important than human life. If I got taken hostage by some terrorists sure I would rather see my government trying to negotiate first.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 15):

And I understand that and we're I taken hostage I would feel the same way. However, that would open the door for such future attacks if terrorists see that they can accomplish something more than a bullet to the head with their actions.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Another issue to this... Natural gas and oil are one of the primary money-makers for Algeria's economy. Do you think for a second that they would let radical Islamists seize and keep a gas field? What kind of precedent does that set? What kind of precedent does it set that they will send in their military not even 2 days later? Algerian powers that be aren't stupid. They are going to protect their golden geese at all costs.

Furthermore. When a westerner goes to work in a foreign place that has security problems, you cannot expect the same level of protection as working in the country you come from. The deserts of Algeria and Libya are a lot different from Houston, Oslo, London, Paris, etc.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 15):
So were there truly hundreds of hostages or just 41 like some Finnish news website is reporting?

I can't believe how incredibly hazy the reporting actually is on this in our media in the UK.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 14):
Criticism against the Algerians is missing the point. Algerians don't negotiate with terrorists, just as the US Govt doesn't.

Not really, as the issue is whether they should have accepted help with a raid - that's not negotiating. While Algeria may have some experience of this sort of thing, I struggle to believe their armed forces would be as well-resourced or experienced of those the UK or US may have helped with.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
Well the operation wasn't rushed per se, TV news here said that it's the terrorists that attempted to escape with the hostages, precipitating the response.

That, of course, would certainly put a different slant on things if true.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 18):
I can't believe how incredibly hazy the reporting actually is on this in our media in the UK.

Yeah well now it seems that apparently there truly were hundreds of hostages, I guess this Finnish rubbish media only counted western hostages then...

Well now I understand Algerian operation better, at first I thought there were only 41 hostages and that 30 of them died in the attack which of course would have been total disaster, but now 30 dead from +600 hostages isn't that bad.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 15):
So were there truly hundreds of hostages or just 41 like some Finnish news website is reporting? 30 dead from 41 seems like a horrible fail of Algerians, but then 30 dead from hundreds doesn't seem so bad result at all.

Looking around the web it appears that most news organizations are playing with the numbers.

Yes, there were several hundred hostages.

Most were local nationals.

Most nation news organizations/ web sites seem to be reporting the number of hostages as the number of their nationals, or area countries. The 41 number is likely the number of scandanivians.

30 of that group were not killed. Apparently 30 total were killed.

Some US news sources are reporting 30 killed, and some are saying there were 10 Americans, with five recovered safely and the fate of five unknown.

It's probably too early after the hostage taking and the recovery raid to have reliable numbers.

But not having accurate numbers has never stopped news organizations for reporting distored 'facts'.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 15):
Yeah and that usually costs blood of innocent civilians, but of course in some countries national pride is more important than human life. If I got taken hostage by some terrorists sure I would rather see my government trying to negotiate first.

That would arguably lead to more deaths. If AQ gets wind that we'll do whatever they wanted to get a hostage back, do you not think they'd just kidnap a lot more? I mean it sucks but in the long run I think it keeps the kidnappings down



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10938 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
A lot of times AQ makes the demands so outrageous

Where did AQ come from? Remember?

The organisation grew out of the network of Arab volunteers who had gone to Afghanistan in the 1980s to fight under the banner of Islam against Soviet Communism.
====During the anti-Soviet jihad Bin Laden and his fighters received American and Saudi funding. Some analysts believe Bin Laden himself had security training from the CIA.====
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1670089.stm

Why did we help them in first place?

 Wow!

...
It was the latest surprising development in a hostage drama that began Wednesday when ===militants=== seized hundreds of workers from 10 nations at Algeria's remote Ain Amenas natural gas plant. Algerian forces retaliated Thursday by storming the plant in an attempted rescue operation that killed at least four hostages and left leaders around the world expressing strong concerns about the hostages' safety.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-01-18-09-20-41

Now these same groups (all "disciples" of OBL) are turning against us.

 Wow!



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 22):
Where did AQ come from? Remember?

Yes I do remember. What's your point? That has nothing to do with giving into demands regarding hostages, the point we are discussing now...      



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 15):
Yeah and that usually costs blood of innocent civilians, but of course in some countries national pride is more important than human life. If I got taken hostage by some terrorists sure I would rather see my government trying to negotiate first.

Well they're terrorists not bank robbers, not even pirates. They don't want money to go live on an island, they want ways to kill even more innocent civilians, so there is really no point in negotiating.



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25 rfields5421 : CNN is now reporting that there were 132 'foreign' hostages taken by the terrorists - according to the Algerian government press agency. 100 of those
26 Aesma : The situation is still ongoing. There were hostages and assailants in the "town" part of the site, this has ended, however a dozen terrorists with aro
27 Post contains images MadameConcorde : But aren't rebels good people and freedom fighters? That's what they said about Libya and Syria but now they are terrorists?
28 Aesma : One man's resistance fighter is another man's terrorist. In this case though, they're not fighting for a country that existed before, and don't have t
29 AR385 : The operation was precipitated because the terrorists attempted boarding buses with the hostages for transporting them God nows where. That is why ro
30 connies4ever : While that is true, it came at a horrific cost: more than 50,000 dead, GIA,Algerian forces, and mostly civilians. Actually, no. What they want is for
31 KiwiRob : I can't see Norwegian special forces having more experience in these matters than the locals. They're not the SAS or Delta.
32 rfields5421 : But they have almost certainly trained with both.
33 Aesma : The thing is, they kill mainly Muslims in the process, making very few friends.
34 Mudboy : They should have asked the US to send CAG or DEVGRU, or the UK to send the SAS? Although I am not sure if it was DEV or a regular SEAL team that screw
35 Post contains links Mortyman : The various Norwegian specialforces has trained and indeed been on several missions with all the US specialforces and also UK specialforces. All the
36 Newark727 : So how well do we understand the situation now? I saw this story breaking yesterday but news sources were still confused. It's apparent that it was a
37 Post contains links Mortyman : One American confirmed dead: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/18/wo...ostage-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 RIP A millitary installation basically next doo
38 Post contains links Quokkas : RIP to those who died in the attempt and sympathy to those who have lost someone. Algerian State media is reported as saying that 650 hostages, includ
39 Mortyman : From what I understand they were allowed to go. The terrorist were not interested in them. Only foreigners...
40 seb146 : I see we (read: media) is really concerned with the oil and gas but not the war in Mali.
41 QFA380 : As far as I'm aware they were indeed. Mercenaries hired by the rebels and presumedly assisted by the west, who now have moved onto Mali. Apparently t
42 RussianJet : Not really sure why you would say this. Can't necessarily speak for the US, but the Mali situation has received plenty of coverage in the news here.
43 MD11Engineer : Western countries generally set the priority in saving the hostages, even if this means giving in to some of the terrorist´s demands (under the presu
44 seb146 : Because the "media" (read: FOX/AM radio) made such a big deal over terrorists and al-Qaida being a threat to national security between 2001-2009. The
45 Mortyman : and new ones will most likely arise unfortunetly ....
46 RussianJet : But again (and I hate to defend FOX here) is that not actually understandable where American hostages are directly threatened?
47 rfields5421 : Also remember that many tons of high quality weapons of the Gaddafi secret police and military units were 'liberated' by such groups. Probably more t
48 Post contains links MadameConcorde : The more we keep meddling in other countries business the more this will go on. More dead in Algeria according to RT Seven hostages, 11 kidnappers ki
49 Aesma : You mean if we leave the peaceful majority in the hands of the radicals ? That worked so well in Afghanistan, and indeed Mali, not to mention Somalia
50 Newark727 : A while back I read a book about the AK-47 rifle and its various social and military consequences. I never finished it, it was much too meandering in
51 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Total nonsense. We helped those same radicals, rebels and freedom fighters in many cases, ousting Saddam, Khadafi and Mubarak just to name a few. Meg
52 RussianJet : But when terrorists come to our own shores we have to act. When refugees arrive by the bucket-load we should act. When we see human rights being seri
53 ME AVN FAN : latest reports say that almost 600 hostages could be rescued but that around 30 died. There were approximately 500 Algerians among the hostages.
54 KiwiRob : That was a cock-up, the devil we knew was much better than the devil we got.
55 ME AVN FAN : The majority is NOT in the hands of the radicals. But the west should quit supporting the radicals and should rather support leaders like Hosni Mubar
56 Aesma : For Saddam the error was made during the first Gulf War when we stopped helping and let him crush the rebellion. Toppling him during operation Iraqi
57 Aesma : That's the best way to breed upset people intend to attack us.
58 MadameConcorde : To say the French intervention in Mali is hypocritical is the second biggest understatement of the 21st century. The official line is that France is
59 ME AVN FAN : More details became known > 23 hostages and 32 extremists became killed > 685 Algerian employees were rescued alive > 107 foreign employees w
60 Pellegrine : There was no time! The militants were already rolling hostages out of the plant in SUVs across the desert. If they escaped unchallenged those hostage
61 Mortyman : They were not rescued, but allowed to go by the terrorists. The terrorists was only interested in foreigners.
62 Post contains images Pellegrine : The reporting is still fucked up. Exactly why should they? It is true. And what would you rather see? Old, greying, malnutritioned western hostages i
63 Post contains images MadameConcorde : + 100% I recommend our friend Aesma that he books his next holidays touring Libya and Egypt so he can see for himself how wonderful these places have
64 blueflyer : Watching French television news, I saw someone introduced as an expert on Algerian law-and-order and terrorism explain that when Algeria says they don
65 RussianJet : This is the basis for my initial reaction - which I accept was wrong in many respects. It was reported in a very hazy and distorted way indeed. This
66 iakobos : From the start, the number of attackers was estimated at 30 to 40, no more. Marshall de Lattre de Tassigny was never involved in Algeria and he left
67 Aesma : Egypt was (and still mainly is) a military dictatorship where you can't do anything without the military's direct approval. Indeed any soldier can be
68 Mortyman : Far less most likely. The complex is huge and there was no way the terrorist group could have taken over that plant without help. They have most like
69 ME AVN FAN : but 107 foreigners WERE rescued ..................................... It is well possible that all of the attackers got killed, which may explain why
70 AR385 : 5 survived and are in custody. 3 escaped.
71 Aesma : The Algerian employees weren't the main targets but I wouldn't say they were not hostages, they couldn't leave, were threatened, were used as human sh
72 ME AVN FAN : Alright, this explains a lot. The 3 escaped irritate those in charge on the army side. To MISquote the words of William Tecumseh Sherman "only dead t
73 iakobos : Must have been his ghost then because he died in January 52 and had national funerals. Always good to know there is another life after this one.
74 N1120A : Exactly. And when the US and UK offer to do it for you, you accept.
75 Post contains links Mortyman : According to the Minister of foreign affairs of Norway and the Norwegian inteligence agency, the Norwegian government has had alot more insight of wha
76 ME AVN FAN : Oh indeed, his ghost and my fault ! But his last assignment was to Algeria, just after the time in Indochina. Also the role of Mr LePen is disputable
77 Aesma : If even one hostage had died there would be outrage in the country. Can you imagine the situation in reverse ? I even give you a French or UK team in
78 iakobos : That is history according to you, History shows that de Lattre came back from Indochina after the death of his son in 51, fell sick and quickly died.
79 Aesma : While his fighting in Algeria didn't make Le Pen famous, he wasn't anybody either, he was a member of the National Assembly when he voluntarily reenli
80 N1120A : Why are we even talking about a monster like Le Pen? It wouldn't be necessary.
81 MD11Engineer : Not just this. Northern Mali is basically a lawless region where the guy with the biggest gun rules. About three years ago an Austrian couple were ki
82 AR385 : While the official discourse by the Algerian government is that they do not negotiate, some sources are saying that they made a one time offer to the
83 Pellegrine : And a country like Algeria which makes most of its export revenue through hydrocarbons, and has a formidable and ruthless military will not for a sec
84 Pellegrine : Typical elitist westerner view of events. Colonists....
85 JJJ : That's it. The message to the any future kidnappers was "Here in Algeria our gas plants are a serious business, foreigners willing to work in Algeria
86 bogota : The UK resident mentioned among the dead, was a Colombian national, who worked as an expat in London for BP and who graduated from school together wit
87 ME AVN FAN : In that case I have to apologize. I apparently mixed him up with another general. My mistake simply. A bit confusing are the details about LePen. The
88 Post contains links AR385 : Very interesting article. It gives hard numbers and a lot of details. It´s in Spanish, but you can get the idea. http://internacional.elpais.com/inte
89 ME AVN FAN : All attempts by various forces around the globe to rescue hostages usually resulted in a serious numbers of casualties They of course tried to execut
90 Mortyman : According to the Norwegian minister of defence, Norwegian Special Forces was put on high alert and asked to prepare for deployment . However Algeria d
91 KiwiRob : That's the way it should be, no pussy footing around, just kill the bastards, very uch the Russian way of doing things. Which is a lot better than no
92 Mortyman : It's dangerous to say "the best" about anyone. No one is invincible.
93 DeltaMD90 : They have a nasty habit of killing too many people lol... (civilians included)
94 ME AVN FAN : - to stall the situation was NOT an option to the Algerian government - enough info WAS available - any deployment of "special forces" would have bee
95 Mortyman : We did'nt really know that in the beginning, when the terrorist first took control of the plant. A full frontal assault is considered by most proffec
96 ME AVN FAN : - Neither did the Algerian government. But they faced realities very swiftly, and for sure not with enthusiasm. The results of similar operations lau
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