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5 Year Old Suspended Over Bubble Gun Threat  
User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3995 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

Have adults gone completly crazy when it comes to gun safety? A 5 year old PA girl was suspended from school earlier this week after she made what the school called a “terrorist threat.” using a bubble gun blower! The kindergartner was ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation during her 10-day suspension.

I think the school might of thought the bubble were dangerous to the kids. Get some of that stuff in your eyes and that could really sting!  http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat/

[Edited 2013-01-21 19:27:37]

[Edited 2013-01-21 19:28:38]

[Edited 2013-01-21 19:28:59]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Well I hate jumping to conclusions without much information, but this appears completely stupid... it's no secret that I am a gun owner but I'm sure my non-gun owning compadres will agree that this is reaction is pretty extreme


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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1688 times:
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Quoting dragon-wings (Thread starter):
The kindergartner was ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation during her 10-day suspension.

The 10 day suspension i agree that it is extreme. But the psychological evaluation not. After, all what have we learned from the gun lovers on the other gun threads: its mental illness that is the problem.



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User currently offline3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

It got reduced to a 2 day suspension. But still, dumba$$e$ in charge make dumba$$ decisions. It will get way worse.

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6926 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

When he was Interior Minister (2002-2007), Nicolas Sarkozy suggested to test kids for criminal potential at age three...


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 2):

The 10 day suspension i agree that it is extreme. But the psychological evaluation not. After, all what have we learned from the gun lovers on the other gun threads: its mental illness that is the problem.

If I could trust psychologists to be reasonable, I'd be more in favor. But given that some adult human being treated this as a "terrorist threat" it wouldn't surprise me if some psychologist is just as idiotic.

I seriously hope that whomever did this is never permitted to work near children again.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6596 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1641 times:
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Isn´t this a result of the so called "Zero tolerance policy'" I mean, the suspension may appear extreme, but aren´t schools forced to suspend their judgement due to this zero tolerance thing? Is it actually up to the criteria of the principal or do they really have no say in the matter?

User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 3014 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1614 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
I seriously hope that whomever did this is never permitted to work near children again.

But at the same time, there is a chorus of people advocating that teachers should be armed.   

With a mind set (like the teacher who suspended this kid) they should be kept well away from kids IMHO !



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User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 7):
With a mind set (like the teacher who suspended this kid) they should be kept well away from kids IMHO !

Not to split hairs but I am certain it wasn't a teacher who suspended the child. The report of the incident more than likely came from a teacher but the decision to suspend undoubtedly came from the school's principal or maybe even someone higher up the chain.

Without having all the facts, I'll refrain from voicing an opinion on whether or not the suspension and mandatory psych eval are too severe. I'm quite curious to know what the child actually did and said. I understand the school having a zero tolerance policy with regard to bringing a "gun" to school and that would explain the suspension. But what in the heck did the little girl do or say to make the school require a psychological evaluation?


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
When he was Interior Minister (2002-2007), Nicolas Sarkozy suggested to test kids for criminal potential at age three...

This is a gross overstatement. He was misquoted. What he meant was giving children the proper psychological and practical support from an early age when their family situations required it (i.e. father or mother in prison, etc.) so that the children didn't end up the same way their parents did, by way of proper education.

Which in itself isn't a bad idea - it was just too politically incorrect for him to bring up.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7827 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

I'm surprised that toy guns are allowed to be sold at all in the US if this is the reaction using them gets. Kinda shows how screwed up parts of the world are today.

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8764 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Why on earth do they make a bubble blower in the shape of a gun anyway?   


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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1412 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
but I'm sure my non-gun owning compadres will agree that this is reaction is pretty extreme

I don't know everything yet, but I'm inclined to think this response is indeed over the top, yes.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
If I could trust psychologists to be reasonable,

Ok, so what does that mean? I'm not being snarky, but I am pretty clueless as to how some doctors look at others. Are psychologists more freewheeling or something than physicians?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Words escape me about the stupidity of these school administrators.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
I seriously hope that whomever did this is never permitted to work near children again.

  
Well said Doc!


Listen to what this man had to say about all of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhlmRUSgMxM



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7827 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

I hope her parents sue the $hit out of the school district for this stupidity.

User currently offlineSFBdude From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

If the teachers were armed, would they have had the right to shoot the girl? I can see the guys at south park already coming up with ideas for a new episode ...

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 12):
Why on earth do they make a bubble blower in the shape of a gun anyway?

They've had 'gun' like shapes since as far back as I can remember. Considering their quirky shape and colors, I don't think the manufacturers ever imagined this happening though.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

So just for the record....
The little girl was at the bus stop and "threatening" to shoot her friend and herself with the "bubble" gun.
The bubble gun was not in her posssion.

However these schools can't be to careful these days. If that had been an Assault bubble Gun modified to be automatic with a battery, there could have been a fithy situation to mop up.


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Seriously though. It is rather disturbing that the school didn't take an obiously teacheable moment, and instead turned it into a PR disaster. If my kids were in that school , I would seriously consider removing them from it, just because I would be scared that the teachers and principles within that schools system aren't capable of common sense solutions.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

It is pretty hard to imagine any circumstances that should lead to a child of five years old being suspended like this - at least in the absence of severe, medically-recognised behavioural impairment. But then, if there was any such serious medical issue they perhaps wouldn't be there in the first place to lead to suspension.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Ill try to find a picture of it when i get on a real computer but it is basicly shaped like a pink dolophin with a handle and the bubbles come out if its beak.

It is less firearms shaped than my Makita drill



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
Ill try to find a picture of it when i get on a real computer but it is basicly shaped like a pink dolophin with a handle and the bubbles come out if its beak.

It is less firearms shaped than my Makita drill

My goodness.....I am pretty lost for words.



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Can we hire that teacher for certain schools in certain districts of Berlin? Preferrably the whole school board.

 



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User currently offlineFallap From Denmark, joined Jan 2009, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Throw her in the chair!

Just to be safe.


User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

Sometimes, I'm embarrassed to be an American citizen. This is one of those times. This story keeps getting more bizarre as more facts are revealed. According to this report, not only didn't the child have the "gun" with her, but she wasn't even in school when her "threats of terror" were made. Wow.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
I hope her parents sue the $hit out of the school district for this stupidity.

Not sure what they can sue them for, though. If it's on her record, then defamation of character, perhaps? I would also sue the individual responsible by name and spearately from any suit against the district.

I might go after them on the angle that it is a crime to (intentionally) falsely report a crime.

Quoting SFBdude (Reply 15):
If the teachers were armed, would they have had the right to shoot the girl?

You say that as a joke, but if a man in Florida can shoot a teenager for the music being too loud and try to use "Stand Your Ground" as a defense, I promise you that an event like the one you describe WILL happen.


User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 16):
If that had been an Assault bubble Gun modified to be automatic with a battery, there could have been a fithy situation to mop up.


Yep, these 5 year olds are pretty smart nowadays and can modify these plastic toys into automatic bubble weapons. You would need a mop to clean up after this one.


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