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Shooting At Houston TX College  
User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

Details sketchy but reports are at least one shooter and one victim thus far. 1350 ET.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/22...ported-at-texas-college/?hpt=hp_t1

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User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Four vics transported, one in critical condition. One person in custody. LE searching the campus for another suspect. Early speculation is it may be a "gang-related" incident.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7110 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

If this didnt happen at a college and instead on a street corner, supermarket, home etc.. It wouldn't be news and only local Houston news would report it. Nothing to see here. It's like how after the Jet Blue emergency landing at LAX every minor emergency landing was shot live with helicopters for 3 months.

Anyway it will be nice when we can have a discussion about the actual reasons for the VIOLENCE instead of the tools being used. Inadequate education and lack of good role models are two of the biggest reasons in my opinion.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2716 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 10):
Inadequate education and lack of good role models are two of the biggest reasons in my opinion.

Both of which you are struggling with in America, (as are many other countries too) so, until there is an intensive education campaign, some sort of compulsory mental health check, and better "roll models" in society, something has to happen don't you think ?

America cant go on being prepared to lose up to 900 lives a month    and be complacent with that can you ?



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User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 10):
If this didnt happen at a college and instead on a street corner, supermarket, home etc.. It wouldn't be news and only local Houston news would report it

Agreed. And doesn't that speak volumes about how callous we've become in the U.S. to shootings? Shootings with multiple victims, no less:
CNN Tip Line Operator: "CNN Tip Line, what are you reporting? What? Three people shot? And you say this didn't happen at a school, college, or university? OK, thank you but we're not interested".


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Oh great, another gun thread...

Oh great, another reason for another gun thread...

Meanwhile in NM, a teenager kills his whole family http://abcnews.go.com/US/mexico-teen...oot-walmart-cops/story?id=18284667

My opinion is unchanged. These poor kids clearly need help. Those around them need help / education identifying tell-tale signs. But this is going to take generations to fix.

Meanwhile, do not have a .22 rifle and other weapons easily accessible in a closet in a house full of kids!!! This is the sort of gun control that owners need to work on. That does not mean banning guns, but being responsible for them and if there are too many incidents where this is proven not to be the case, then maybe the government does have to step in to police you if you are unable to police yourselves. Like road blocks for DUI's or speed traps I guess.

Quoting itsjustme (Reply 1):
Early speculation is it may be a "gang-related" incident.

As to the incident in question, this is never going to go away if indeed gang related. Just seems bizarre to me that pulling out a gun is an OK way to resolve a dispute, but if criminals want to shoot each other, that is OK with me I guess as long as innocent bystanders are not affected, which unfortunately sometimes seems to be the case. Sadly no laws passed or restricting the law abiding can really change this, I have come to the conclusion that US society has made their bed and now they have to sleep in it.

There has been a concerning increase in gun violence in YVR in recent weeks - all gang related - but I sure hope this trend does not creep up here.



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User currently offlineWilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8967 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2315 times:
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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4941 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

At this campus one would almost expect something like this to happen. Lots of gang bangers and poor minorities attend this school. So you mix a bunch of these that are 19-24 years old and look what happens.

I think a lot of this is cause by "failure to communicate" instead of arguing something out like we used to do years ago, kids these days just shoot each other. I don't think a lot of them realize that once you're dead, it's permanent.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 2):

I wonder how many more of these will have to happen before gun nutters understand need for gun regulations.

Jumping to conclusions a bit fast, no? What regulation do you think would have prevented this incident?

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 5):
My opinion is unchanged. These poor kids clearly need help. Those around them need help / education identifying tell-tale signs. But this is going to take generations to fix.

Indoctrination already taking place.

5-year old girl suspended for 10 days for attacking fellow children with soap bubbles.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/21/us/pen...irl-suspended/index.html?hpt=us_c2

2 6-year olds suspended for pointing fingers at each other and saying 'bang'.

http://www.myeasternshoremd.com/news...6-5da5-11e2-a2a7-0019bb2963f4.html

So playing Cops and Robbers is now basically illegal.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2716 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
What regulation do you think would have prevented this incident?

Basically anything really Dreadnaught.

The convoluted laws in different states, appears the be VERY complex and difficult to understand to say the least, and certainly open to "interpretation"

A universal law/s, covering the entire US would make life easier, not only for police and authorities, but also for gun owners too.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
So playing Cops and Robbers is now basically illegal.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
2 6-year olds suspended for pointing fingers at each other and saying 'bang'.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
5-year old girl suspended for 10 days for attacking fellow children with soap bubbles.

Sad, the innocence of youth, but this is what it has turned into.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Basically anything really Dreadnaught.

The convoluted laws in different states, appears the be VERY complex and difficult to understand to say the least, and certainly open to "interpretation"

A universal law/s, covering the entire US would make life easier, not only for police and authorities, but also for gun owners too.

Please be specific. Which one or two regulations would have prevented the incident? My comment was aimed at a post (since deleted) who immediately said that gun regulations would have prevented it. My question: Which one?

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9):
Sad, the innocence of youth, but this is what it has turned into.

I presume you mean the Salem Witch Trial mentality of the school administrators.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2716 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
My question: Which one?

I never said I had the specific answer to this problem, just stating, that along with others here, something in regards to more stringent regulation/s needs to happen in order to try and stop this from happening again don't you think ?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I presume you mean the Salem Witch Trial mentality of the school administrators.

Not really. Just the paranoia that has now crept into the gun control debate, and how people live with guns in society.

This is a by product of the current situation, where people are no longer thinking rationally.

[Edited 2013-01-23 12:52:49]


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 11):
I never said I had the specific answer to this problem, just stating, that along with others here, something in regards to more stringent regulation/s needs to happen in order to try and stop this from happening again don't you think ?

Unless someone can come up with a rational regulation or law that would have stopped this event, I have to say no.

Already gun related laws and regulations - of which there are a huge number probably enough to fill several volumes, have not stopped anything - and I would guess that the bulk of them were probably passed in the aftermath of some tragedy.

Do not mistake demands for "action" and some random set of restrictions and regulations for anything that will actually help. It's politicians and special interest posing and electioneering.

Legislative masturbation, I call it.

If someone can propose a regulation, or a set of regulation, that we can say with a high degree of confidence that it would have prevented this event, or Sandy Hill, I would be more than happy to consider it. But throwing a few more regulations up just to show "action" - hell no.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 2):
If this didnt happen at a college and instead on a street corner, supermarket, home etc.. It wouldn't be news and only local Houston news would report it.

And you find it strange that parents are more sensitized to issues relating to students?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Unless someone can come up with a rational regulation or law that would have stopped this event, I have to say no.

Updated article:

Quote:

Late Tuesday night, authorities said 22-year-old Carlton Berry was a shooter. Berry, who remained hospitalized, has been charged with aggravated assault.

Ref: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/22/justic.../texas-college-shooting/index.html

It might be helpful to be able to trace this gun's history to see if it could have been kept out of his hands, but NRA has been doing all it can to block such things.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Already gun related laws and regulations - of which there are a huge number probably enough to fill several volumes, have not stopped anything

In the US gun laws are lax, but not in Europe, where their gun murder rate is a pittance compared to ours, so this issue really is not the number of laws but the scope of the laws.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2716 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
I have to say no.

So I gather then, you are willing to put up with the status quo.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Already gun related laws and regulations - of which there are a huge number probably enough to fill several volumes, have not stopped anything - and I would guess that the bulk of them were probably passed in the aftermath of some tragedy.

No argument there.

As I said in (reply9) the present gun laws are too complex and vary to much between states (from what Ive read on previous gun threads) so the system needs to be simplified

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
Do not mistake demands for "action" and some random set of restrictions and regulations for anything that will actually help. It's politicians and special interest posing and electioneering.

At the end of the day, these are the people we elect into Government, and that being said, makes them the ONLY ones who can change things, so of course they are going to react, and so they should, otherwise nothing would ever change.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
If someone can propose a regulation, or a set of regulation, that we can say with a high degree of confidence that it would have prevented this event, or Sandy Hill, I would be more than happy to consider it. But throwing a few more regulations up just to show "action" - hell no.

Other countries seem to manage with gun regulations and laws, with far less uproar than you hear coming from the US.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I presume you mean the Salem Witch Trial mentality of the school administrators.

Don't blame those forced to enact the zero tolerance nonsense.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 12):
If someone can propose a regulation, or a set of regulation, that we can say with a high degree of confidence that it would have prevented this event, or Sandy Hill, I would be more than happy to consider it.

Don't know the source of the weapon in this case but Newtown would have been prevented if weapons were stored so that only the owner has access.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
In the US gun laws are lax, but not in Europe, where their gun murder rate is a pittance compared to ours, so this issue really is not the number of laws but the scope of the laws.
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Other countries seem to manage with gun regulations and laws, with far less uproar than you hear coming from the US.

Don't compare the US with most other countries so easily. Europe has a very long history of restricting the ownership of weapons - can't have the peasants storming the palace every other week. The US is a nation born when the peasants literally armed themselves and threw out the noblemen who thought they had a god-given right to rule. Secondly, our expansion through the - often lawless - west was largely possible thanks to guns, to defend yourself against everything from wild animals, thieves, natives (oops), rivals, and anything else. In our culture, those honest, hardworking people who tamed the land and frequently had to defend it (because the only lawman nearby was maybe a day's ride away) are the iconic, quintessential American. John Wayne, if you will. I have travelled much and cannot think of any other countries that have such a cultural base of people who stand on their own two feet and can defend themselves - including from despotic governments.

Many people believe that it has been the mission of the left to destroy that culture, and in order to ensure "security", you must eliminate this culture of armed independence - which the NRA partly represents.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Ben Franklin



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8187 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Think Old Ben was talking about Slavery?


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 15):
Don't know the source of the weapon in this case but Newtown would have been prevented if weapons were stored so that only the owner has access.

That is true enough - but the same restriction would have prevented the 15-year old last week from picking up his dad's gun, defending his home and his little sister, while their parents were out.

http://nation.foxnews.com/crime/2013...lars-shoots-one-them-fathers-ar-15

Are you willing to effectively disarm those people who live in a home where the "Man of the House" might own a gun, but if he is out, then you are out of luck?

Don't get me wrong - I don't reject your argument out of hand. It's a debate worth having. But you can't propose such a regulation without looking at the possible negative consequences - something the left has always had a profound, philosophical difficulty doing.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

I understand the different traditions, and am not sure how that relates to the topic which is gun crime. What is more topical is that we have terrible levels of gun crime, they don't. We can't undo our past, but shouldn't we strive to improve our future?

To focus on the topic, I said:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):

It might be helpful to be able to trace this gun's history to see if it could have been kept out of his hands, but NRA has been doing all it can to block such things.

How would registering a gun be giving up an essential liberty?



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
Are you willing to effectively disarm those people who live in a home where the "Man of the House" might own a gun, but if he is out, then you are out of luck?

I'm not only willing, I absolutely think that anyone who isn't trained and of legal age should not have access to weapons without supervision. A few examples where it saved someone do not compensate for the many more times where it create problems, often deadly.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
But you can't propose such a regulation without looking at the possible negative consequences - something the left has always had a profound, philosophical difficulty doing.

Funny how NRA and the extreme right refuse to look at the negative consequences of not having gun control.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 19):
How would registering a gun be giving up an essential liberty?

It doesn't, but that's not the point. The point is: By registering my weapons to the Feds, that automatically paints a big ass target on my back and on my door for all to see. This invites trouble and clearly gives criminals a reason to start breaking into homes and/or to cause bodily harm (ie: kill the law abiding gun owner in a fire fight). This is why I'm against gun registration.

But now, we are off topic......

Getting back on track with the topic here.... Lets not forget the type of shooting this is. This is NOT a mass shooting. This is just a shooting that started out with a fight that ended badly. This shooting was not premeditated....it wasn't planned.

This has nothing to do with Sandy Hook, Virginia Tech nor Columbine.....not even remotely related nor similar. Just thought I'd make that point well known here just in case some users don't know the difference.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 21):
Lets not forget the type of shooting this is. This is NOT a mass shooting. This is just a shooting that started out with a fight that ended badly. This shooting was not premeditated....it wasn't planned.

"just a shooting that started out with a fight
...
was not premeditated....it wasn't planned."

In other words. If it wasn't for that people routinely carry, for "self defense", this would not have been a shooting. Just as many of the 1,200 or so killed since Newtown.


User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1206 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 22):
In other words. If it wasn't for that people routinely carry, for "self defense", this would not have been a shooting. Just as many of the 1,200 or so killed since Newtown.

I'm not sure I have ever seen anybody imply a fist-fight is a good thing.

Shouldn't we also address the issues that cause these altercations to begin with?

[Edited 2013-01-23 17:07:51]


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6517 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 23):
I'm not sure I have ever seen anybody imply a fist-fight is a good thing.

I can imply it if you want. In fact I got into several during my school years. Fortunately I had no access to guns. I had/ve a recurve bow though, but you don't carry that easily nor discreetly.



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25 Dreadnought : Do you have any stats about that? How would you even get statistics about it. If someone seemed threatening and I ended up pulling a gun on him, and
26 Post contains images AirframeAS : Um, *bleep* no! Please don't twist my words. That's NOT what I meant, genius. Try again! W. T. F?!?!?!
27 Revelation : Such a registry need not be public, it could/should only be available to law enforcement. I can't look up stranger's license plate, for instance. I'm
28 DeltaMD90 : I changed my position recently to be against registration unless it's very very clear that the information can never become public. Unbelievably, som
29 Revelation : The registry should not be public to avoid this very kind of situation. Once that's done, then we should hope that your friend the cop is spending the
30 ALTF4 : See, that's what I don't understand. It simply doesn't cross my mind to punch somebody. Like, not even remotely. I haven't ever punched somebody. Jus
31 type-rated : The shooter in this case got some kind of immediate karma action. He shot himself in the bum while he was trying to put the gun in his waistband after
32 DiamondFlyer : Sounds like he has a future in the NFL -DiamondFlyer
33 AirframeAS : I agree with you, but that still doesn't assure me that it won't be made public. Until I get some guarantees that it won't be made public, I'll still
34 Post contains images itsjustme : Right. Because we all know that CCW holders and NRA members never have accidental firearm discharges.
35 Skydrol : Or post pictures posing with their guns, their home, their gun cabinet(s), state how many guns they have at home, and provide their name, address, an
36 Post contains images cmf : Ahh, the mud throwing defense. Simple deduction from reports and articles. Do you think he carried for protection or not? Why don't you enlighten us
37 AirframeAS : I never said that. NRA Members and CCW holders don't carry their firearms around in their waistband like a thug does. Sure, glad you asked! My point
38 Dreadnought : Asking for evidence is now mudslinging? I think your deductive skills are lacking. I think he was a gang member. I live in Kennesaw, and own 8 guns.
39 Revelation : Indeed, so now we're talking about the gun thief who is smart enough to use a registry to find a gun owner, but dumb enough to try to take the gun wh
40 stealthz : No it isn't a mass shooting but from what I read it is a disagreement that may have ended without harm(if not peacebly) except for the fact that the
41 windy95 : 10,000 plus killed a year by drunk drivers. Where are all the threads for that? This is about "control", by the left. It is not about the guns. it is
42 Revelation : Nice NRA style tactic: change the topic as quickly as possible. I think the culture would change if guns weren't so easy to get and so easy to pass f
43 itsjustme : I absolutely love it when those on the right and the NRA start grasping at straws in an attempt to try and prove a point. That indicates those of us
44 cmf : I fully agree that premeditated is different from not premeditated. In the later case you only have access to what you have on you at the time. Thus,
45 windy95 : None of their business...They can find these things out when they are committed or convicted. And I love it when the left tries to ignore death's by
46 DeltaMD90 : It isn't "half assed" it was heavy duty, fire proof, and bolted to the floor of his house. That is not my point. If smart enough criminals found out
47 Post contains images Revelation : Why, are you the member of a militia? If so, my guess is it must not be much of a militia, since I'd imagine they'd already be marching on Washington
48 Mir : It really doesn't. Nobody has to know. On its own, no. As an alternative to a gunfight, that's another matter. Then it's a very good thing. You'll ne
49 itsjustme : Ummm, without some sort of formal registration process in place, how do you purpose we "find these things out when they are committed or convicted"?
50 Revelation : Good to hear that. Not enough people do it the right way. Such data hasn't proven to be an issue. If it was, for instance, we'd see thieves looking f
51 cmf : I have never called those who want there constitutional rights extreme. I said it is the extreme right who is abusing it to grab more than it grants.
52 AirframeAS : That was pretty much my point. Glad you finally caught on, Genius. Done arguing with you on this thread.
53 cmf : Great to see that you now agree with what I stated in my original reply. That it if it wasn't for that they walked around armed "just in case", this
54 DeltaMD90 : I wouldn't want to test that theory out... I honestly think we are in agreement though, you do not want the registry public, no? Yes I would be. They
55 cmf : As just about every organisation they have a membership database. They state it is only available inside NRA and will never be sold.
56 Post contains images Revelation : Correct. I think you can presume any entity you deal with electronically or via mail has a database with your name in it. The world has moved on from
57 Aesma : I don't disagree with you, I don't advocate violence and am not a violent guy (and to shoot a bow with any accuracy, you better be calm). I was just
58 itsjustme : Well, I'm sorry but you're wrong. I'm not a thug yet, depending on what I'm wearing, I sometimes carry my off duty weapon in an inside the waistband
59 AirframeAS : Ok fine.... How about this: carrying a gun in the waistband WITHOUT a holster. Thugs/criminals don't use holsters, especially gangs. But I'm still co
60 itsjustme : Which is why I question their membership supposedly being 4 million members. This comment speaks volumes. Even though I have proven your theory to be
61 Post contains images Revelation : Hmm, maybe Anonymous or some other hacker community might want a peek at it? It sure would tell them where to look for guns, I suppose..
62 DeltaMD90 : Oh I see what you are seeing, I thought you meant the NRA somehow had a database of everyone's firearms. Well I guess that could be exploited, but no
63 jetmech : In what context do you use the word public? Do you mean public as in freely available to all from the get go, or inadvertently made public / accessed
64 DeltaMD90 : If anything, alcohol works out better. Not really "any use" and it causes a ton of death. Price of freedom, though I do agree with common sense regul
65 Revelation : Sounds like some good ideas for a action/adventure novel. We already have people bragging about being NRA Life Members, so that info would be in the
66 Dreadnought : The constitution grants unlimited access and ownership of weapons. Large cannons were already in existence at the time, and I see nothing in the 2nd
67 Mir : I'd challenge you to find a Supreme Court interpretation that backs that up. Even the Heller decision acknowledged that the 2nd Amendment is not unli
68 Revelation : There's a lot of unfortunate ironies out there to choose from: - Sandy Hook has been a windfall for (legit and non-legit) gun and ammo merchants and
69 Post contains links cmf : Ban is the message you and your NRA/TP friends keep harping. Start taking responsibility and gun control will be a non issue. Require that people are
70 Dreadnought : You had a couple of good points in your post but then you have to go off target and try to vilify the TP again. The TP has NOTHING to do with gun con
71 Post contains links rfields5421 : Really. Then why is 'Second Amendment' the biggest issue on their national website at this time? http://www.teaparty.org/category/secondamendment/ Th
72 Dreadnought : OK, I grant that with so many different "Tea Parties" out there, some have gone off topic. The origin of the movement was fiscal. But why did you hav
73 cmf : 1) Most TP candidates and members promote extremely lax gun laws. 2) You constantly make your points on stereotypical/vilifying political views. It i
74 rfields5421 : That is the web site of the official, original movement who own the name Tea Party. Their initial origin was not just fiscal. It included the 15 Non-
75 Revelation : Does anyone else see the irony of having "Special interests must be eliminated" right in between "A strong military is essential" and "Gun ownership
76 bhill : I know what regulation...the 2nd Amendment. The "Well Regulated" part. That right there would make it the law of the land in ALL the states.....But it
77 ME AVN FAN : The matter would not have resulted in "news" really. BUT it closely followed previous shootings in the USA. And now, people both inside and outside t
78 Post contains links type-rated : How is this for a turn of events... charges dropped! http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8970716
79 Post contains images cmf : Half truth
80 okie : I had wondered from day one how in the heck you shoot your own self in the a$$. The county/parish/state will always leave some charges even though th
81 rfields5421 : No surprise. The initial identification was based on his hat and shirt, not his face. And his wound was assumed to be the result of placing his gun i
82 cmf : Charges was dropped for one of the two. The other person is still being charged.
83 okie : Incorrect, only the charge of aggravated assault was dropped. Okie
84 Post contains images cmf : OK, what charge(s) remains against Carlton Berry? And what is the status of Trey Foster?
85 okie : He is still charged with resisting arrest. That is called leverage. Okie[Edited 2013-01-29 07:29:02]
86 cmf : What is your source for that? Because the info I have seen is that all charges against Berry are dropped but foster faces assault from this case and
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