D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11869 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
I really like it. One thing I've really hated about NBA teams moving is keeping the names. Why are they the LA Lakers? Because they used to be in Minnesota, where "Lakers" made a lot more sense. Same with Utah Jazz formerly the New Orleans Jazz. It was so refreshing that OKC changed the team's name from Sonics to Thunder, something much more appropriate to the Great Plains.
The pelican is the symbol of Louisiana. The hornet is a symbol of Charlotte going back to the Revolutionary war. ("Charlotte is a hornets nest of rebellion" was reportedly explained to the King about the North Carolina Colony that he was about to lose.) I just wish this name change had happened when the team first moved so we wouldn't be stuck with "bobcats" in Charlotte.
I mean, seriously. Have you ever seen a bobcat in North Carolina?
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Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2057 times:
I like the name and some of the secondary logos, but the primary logo just doesn't feel right to me. I think it's the pelican that bothers me. When I think of a pelican I always think of a side view where you really see the unusual shape of the beak. The kind of head on view with a basketball jammed under the chin just doesn't make me think of a pelican when I look at it.
Maybe it will grow on me. The name is sweet. Very New Orleans.
It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
So now are the Miami Heat going to be the Miami Flamingo's?
Happy for the name change, as I never understood the Hornet thing even when they were located in Charlotte.
I just wonder if maybe a little re-branding is part of trying to get attendance up.
During the Hornets brief 2 season stay at OKC, after Katrina, the first nine games attendance here was more than the previous season attendance in New Orleans. George Shinn the owner had thoughts that the NBA would let the Hornets stay in OKC since several OKC groups had been on the prowl for a NBA team, but the NBA balked and the Hornets returned to NO. Shinn was shortly bought out by the NBA.
OKC ended up with the Seattle franchise which was suffering from low attendance and lack of interest, is now the OKC THUNDER. Basically a sell out of 19K+ seats every game.
moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2607 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2016 times:
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4): Maybe Charlotte will now have the possibiity to get back its former name? Or is it impossible?
There has been quite a bit of talk in the area about just such a change. The team is planning to conduct a survey among season ticket holders, as well as the local community to get an idea of interest in a change. There is also some discussion about who exactly holds the rights to the Hornets name, but the NBA is willing to discuss a name change.
tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 6084 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1999 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 2): I really like it. One thing I've really hated about NBA teams
How about the recent penchant to HAVE to have a "scary" or "tough" name? The Toronto Raptors? Really? I could (can) not stand that name as it really has nothing to do with anything regional, its just "tough" and "cool"! And I think lame. I mean, come on.
The Pelicans. I like the name. It was odd at first to me because it didn't follow the standard "tough mean cool" naming conventions, but the truth it it fits. And when you get right down to it, it not the name, its' the team and management and fans behind the name that really counts .
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MSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1995 times:
Quoting okie (Reply 6): I just wonder if maybe a little re-branding is part of trying to get attendance up.
Maybe, but the funny thing is this season the team sold more season tickets than it ever had since moving to New Orleans. Last time I looked it was around 13,000 and climbing. The past few years there has been a lot of uncertainty with the franchise, but all that changed once a local owner was found...the owner of the Saints of all people. Apparently the team's new practice facility is being built right next to the Saints' facility.
There were no kings in Kansas City either. They had to change their name from the Royals to avoid being mistaken for the baseball Royals. Ironically, some media have mistakenly used the Sacramento Kings' logos when referring to the LA Kings.
srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1969 times:
The Pelicans name already had some historic value in New Orleans as years ago they had a minor league baseball team that used the name from 1887-1959 when the team was sold and relocated to Little Rock. The name was reused back in 1977 when the Tulsa Oilers of the old American Association (AAA baseball league) moved to New Orleans and played a single season at the Superdome.
Yeah, the Barney dinosaur dribbling a basketball may be the worst logo design EVER in pro sports.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15): Moral of the story: ESPN doesn't know jack.
True dat--I hate ESPN.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15): That's not really carry over value, since they both changed their names when they moved, although the Clippers initially went to San Diego.
Spurs were in Dallas originally, so I can understand keeping the name, since it generally is a Texas-centric name and you had the alliteration with SAT and Spurs going.
Quoting tugger (Reply 17): Actually it made perfect sense as San Diego was home of the Atlas missile/rocket program. Proud history here in aviation.
That's exactly what I was going to say!! Rockets made sense with all the space, defense and aerospace stuff in SAN. But coming to Hou meant it was REALLY a perfect name fit given NASA. Worked out beautifully there.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 16181 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1945 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 18): Come on man. No toothless swamp people in NOLA. Toothless homeless people, not swamp people. You'll find those in LFT.
It was things associated with Louisiana, not just New Orleans.
Quoting slider (Reply 19): Spurs were in Dallas originally, so I can understand keeping the name, since it generally is a Texas-centric name and you had the alliteration with SAT and Spurs going.
They weren't called the Spurs until they moved to San Antonio. They used to be called the Dallas Chaparrals.
Quoting slider (Reply 19): Rockets made sense with all the space, defense and aerospace stuff in SAN.
True, but I've seen conflicting stories on why they picked "Rockets." Seeing as the team started in 1967, Rockets would have probably been a popular name in many places. By the time they went to Houston in 1971, most of the space race was over.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3097 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
Tom Benson, owner of the Saints and the Hornets, always talks about south Louisiana and Mississippi (Gulf Coast region) as being part of the teams, so in that respect, the Pelicans works a little better as you see them everywhere along the coasts. I'm still not real fond of it yet, sounds ok for the baseball team, just not liking it so far in place of Hornets. Other names thrown about was the Rhythm, Vibe, Night and Brass (our old minor league hockey team) but Benson said he wanted Pelicans even before he bought the team. This I hope will set a precedent that whenever a team moves, the team names stays with the city, the Utah Jazz? Come on!
AllegiantAir From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1816 times:
Between the Pelicans, the likely possibility of the Kings relocating to SEA and becoming the Sonics, and the thought of Charlotte taking back the Hornets (and dropping that losing-scarred Bobcats name) we're going to have a different NBA next season!
okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1784 times:
Quoting AllegiantAir (Reply 23): Between the Pelicans, the likely possibility of the Kings relocating to SEA and becoming the Sonics, and the thought of Charlotte taking back the Hornets (and dropping that losing-scarred Bobcats name) we're going to have a different NBA next season!
The best I can tell the Kings moving back to SEA is at least 2 more seasons, if the NBA approves the deal.
Seattle has professional football and baseball and the Sonics pretty much did not get much community support along with having a tough time competing for the almighty disposable entertainment income in the past.
: Random pelican fact: They sometimes scoff pigeons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNNl_uWmQXE ......I like the logo - it's very cool indeed.
: Yeah, I sure have ! One ran across the road in front of me once, out in the hills of western N.C. As for what to call the team, I think they should c
: With the possible return of the Seattle Supersonics and the Charlotte Hornets, I suddenly jump 15 years in the past!
: Right, but it was indelibly part of the Houston area. NASA, Clear Lake, JSC, it was part of the community identity. Pelicans are badass. I bet their
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: maybe, but my question was have you ever seen one? Quite simply, the bobcat is not a symbol of the region at all. The hornet however was, dating back
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