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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

I currently use a BB9780.
Personally I find the applications/additional BB charges unnecessary high and want to avoid it.
Im looking for a good phone,usage is mainly Good voice clarity,long lasting battery and GPS.The rest is secondary.A 5MP camera can be a bonus.
Any suggestions.


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User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Didn't have the time to compare specs with your requirements, but you might want to check out the Google Nexus 4, a friend bought it recently and has nothing but good things to say about it. That is, of course, assuming you're okay with Android.


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User currently offlinebongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

I think the "long lasting battery" might be the sticking point. In my experience the battery life on all the modern phones is poor at best, Its quite good, providing you just use it as a phone, but who resists the temptation to make use of the internet, e mail etc ?

Probably best to just recognise that battery life will be fairly awful and keep any eye on it.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 1):
you're okay with Android.

and why would you say Android would be different...

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 2):
n my experience the battery life on all the modern phones is poor at best

True more Applications used...more drainage....



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

I recommend the iPhone. I'd go with either the iPhone 4S, or the iPhone 5. The 5 will last longer and has many benefits over the 4S, however, the 4S is cheaper, but not considerably.

You'll discover a great, unrivalled ecosystem when using the iPhone.



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User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

I've used many devices across multiple platforms (ie. IOS, Andoid, BB, Windows) and noticed that from a voice perspective, the BB has the best quality (assuming all else is equal such as location). However, from a data/browser/app perspective, they lag far behind their competitors.

Battery life on the BB is better than on other devices such as the iPhone, though there are workarounds to extend the battery life on the iPhone such as adjusting your email settings to retrieve on command.

RIM is coming out with a new BB (version 10) this year. This version is supposed to enhance BB's data/browser/app functionality to the same level as the iPhone/Samsung Galaxy III, etc.. I would recommend waiting for the 10 to come out and see if this meets your requirements. I am not sure how the enhancements will affect the battery life.

I currently have an iPhone. It is very intuitive to use and is great from data/browser/app perspective. However, the battery life could be much better and the voice quality is average.


User currently offlinemdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

I have the Galaxy S III and I highly recommend it.


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
and why would you say Android would be different...

I hope i'm not sparking a war with this - but certain I probably will be.

Android (by Google) is a little different than iPhone in the sense that it allows you to have widgets that perform tasks, vs. iPhone which provides limited customization.

Widgets allow certain applications (you customize this) to show you information on your home screens without having to open an application. For example...I have one that is a news reader, which displays headlines from whatever source/topic i'd like, and one that shows my calendar so i can see upcoming appointments.

In iPhone you would have to open separate applications (returning to the home screen at least once) to see these things.

Because iPhone OS has changed very little since it was introduced, its very well fine tuned and works well for what it is. Android is usually updated and changing more frequently, usually for the better and with more innovation.

If you like customization, and the ability to pick a phone by size and by features. Go with Android.

If you like something simple and you don't care much for customization. Go with iPhone.

Most importantly (because you want GPS) make sure you go with Google Maps (this is the default for Android) in either case because the native software on iPhone (Apple Maps) is absolutely terrible. Especially in India (from experience)

That all being said, I have the Google Nexus (3rd version) and I LOVE it. I also have had great experiences with Galaxy S III and have played with Nexus 4 which are excellent!

I have heard that Samsung Galaxy S4 is coming out in spring which is supposed to be really impressive.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 6):
I have the Galaxy S III and I highly recommend it.

I have one too and it's a great phone. However, the battery life is really poor.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5491 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

We have the Nokia Lumia 900 and it has been great! Battery life, voice quality, connectivity, no problems at all. When renewal time comes we'll probably move on to the Lumia 920 but will have to look and compare when the time comes. But Nokia has delivered a solid dependable product with the Lumia.

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User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

When recommending a phone to friends, family and others, I always ask them what they want in a phone. Just telling them to buy an iPhone, Android, Windows Phone, BlackBerry, etc. just because isn't helping them at all.


The iPhone 4S/5 and various Android models all perform very well and are well received, they just have certain features that they excel at and really make them stand out. It all comes down to what you will use it for and what you find important.


I will just list some things I have noticed for each OS:


iPhone

- App selection and quality (Although Android has close to as many apps, their quality can vary)
- Simplicity (People who prefer a phone that "just works" will enjoy and iPhone for its easy setup and use)
- Battery Life (The battery life of iPhones are sometimes alot better due to apps not running in the background)
- Siri (I don't use it much but it works for some, however I think Google Now is slightly better for alot of things)
- Updates (Android has gotten better at this but I think Apple is hands down better at updating software when it releases)

Android

- Customization (I like to say android phones are for people who love to tweak and tinker with everything)
- Ecosystem (The integration with Google services is unrivaled and no I don't think iCloud can come close)
- Multitasking (Easy to switch between apps and have multiple apps running at the same time)
- Maps (Google Maps is simply the best of the free map programs)
- Google Now (I have heard good things about it. I have an iPhone and I still use the Google App's Voice Search way more than I use Siri)
- Camera (Many Android phones now have at least a 8MP camera and some even have a 13MP camera)
- Web Browsing (Although I find iPhones Chrome app good, I think the Chrome browser for Android is better)


I don't have enough experience with Windows Phone and comparing BlackBerry OS 10 before it comes out wouldn't be fair.


Overall, if you like Android, go for the Galaxy S3 or the Nexus 4. If you want an iPhone get the 5, or the 4S if you are on a budget...


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2647 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8):
Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 6):
I have the Galaxy S III and I highly recommend it.

I have one too and it's a great phone. However, the battery life is really poor.

I have an SIII and have found the battery WAY better than the last generation of Android phones. Do you use a power-saving app at all? I was sceptical, but found that it made a really big difference. I can go two days no problem.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
Do you use a power-saving app at all?

No, I don't. Maybe I should try. What's the one you're using?

I have a charger both at home and at the office, so it's not too much of a problem during week days. It's mostly a problem during week-ends when I'm away for several hours.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2633 times:
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
What's the one you're using?

Juice Defender (the basic free one). Give it a try and see if you feel it makes a difference. Just set it on the default normal setting.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 13):
Juice Defender (the basic free one). Give it a try and see if you feel it makes a difference. Just set it on the default normal setting.

Thanks, I'll give it a try!



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

I have the android OS Motorola Droid Razr, first generation,, in purple. I absolutely love this phone although it is one year old now, it still does what I want. I came from the original Motorola Droid two years prior, so I am pretty much sold on the android os, as well as Motorola phones. There are newer versions of this device now (maxx, hd and so on) and with long long lasting batteries. I love the customization, having folders, widgets, sticky notes like a computer etc. on the device.

One thing I have found is that I get significant extended battery use by disabling the 4G and reverting back to 3G. There are apps out there to do this for any specific device. I do not need 4G at all, really. I guess it depends on what you use your device for, but I find 3G fine enough for me for my needs.

I have a friend who just got the samsung galaxy 'something' lol. Cant remember but its that big giant phone with the stylus. It looks cool and she's still getting used to it. If I were getting a new phone today, I'd heavily consider that one. But I ll be in the market for a new phone in about 8 months and cannot wait to see what is on offer then.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
In iPhone you would have to open separate applications (returning to the home screen at least once) to see these things.

No, you don't. You can switch between apps directly if you want.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
Because iPhone OS has changed very little since it was introduced, its very well fine tuned and works well for what it is.

I'd beg to differ – iPhone OS 1.0 vs. iOS 6 is a huge difference.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
Android is usually updated and changing more frequently, usually for the better and with more innovation.

That is very much debatable as a distinction to iOS – many if not most people get no updates for their Android devices at all; And even those who do get them for a much shorter period of time and often delayed by many months..

Meanwhile, my iPhone 3GS which I'd bought three and a half years ago with iOS 3 is still supported by the latest update to iOS 6.1 – immediately at the same day as everybody else's newer iPhone (now for its new owner).

That is quite a huge difference right there (not least regarding security fixes).

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
Most importantly (because you want GPS) make sure you go with Google Maps (this is the default for Android) in either case because the native software on iPhone (Apple Maps) is absolutely terrible. Especially in India (from experience)

India. I see.That would be a great reason for me to ditch the actually excellent Apple Maps app in Germany. Really!   

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Multitasking (Easy to switch between apps and have multiple apps running at the same time)

How is that an Android specialty? It's the same for iOS – iOS apps just tend to be quite a bit more restrained with respect to power consumption in the background.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Maps (Google Maps is simply the best of the free map programs)

That is debatable. It does some things well, but others not so much. They're the incumbent in the field, but far from universally "the" best. (Often rather outdated information and clumsy Street View navigation being among its issues, apart from many outright mistakes.) On iOS I could still use it if I wanted to, but I've not needed it any more for a while.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Camera (Many Android phones now have at least a 8MP camera and some even have a 13MP camera)

Where's the Andoid advantage there? The iPhone 4S and 5 both have 8MP cameras with a high-grade lens system and excellent camera firmware to back them up (which is where most phone cameras lose hypothetical quality the most in practice).

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Web Browsing (Although I find iPhones Chrome app good, I think the Chrome browser for Android is better)

Chrome is far from the only browser on iOS. I personally prefer iCab mobile (full-screen mode, extensively customizable, ad filter and much, much more).

Excellent, universal and long-lasting manufacturer support is one of the reasons I prefer the iOS ecosystem.

A curated app ecosystem effectively free of malware and both on average and at the top of substantially higher quality is another.

If you intend to spend a substantial amount of time tweaking and modifying your phone, you'll be better off with Android. In most other cases, an iPhone will be the more satisfying smartphone most of the time.

(Windows Phone and the restarted Blackberry are niche systems which can be interesting if you have an affinity for trying out things apart from the mainstream, accepting the inconveniences resulting from that.)


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
Because iPhone OS has changed very little since it was introduced, its very well fine tuned and works well for what it is. Android is usually updated and changing more frequently, usually for the better and with more innovation.

I disagree. The difference between iPhone OS 1.0 and iOS 6 is huge. Thousands of new features and services have been added along the way, strengthening its current position.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
Most importantly (because you want GPS) make sure you go with Google Maps (this is the default for Android) in either case because the native software on iPhone (Apple Maps) is absolutely terrible. Especially in India (from experience)

I use Apple Maps on a daily basis and have never had a single problem with it. It's much more accurate and clearer than Google Maps in my opinion.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Siri (I don't use it much but it works for some, however I think Google Now is slightly better for alot of things)

I have found Siri to be a lot more accurate than Google Now. It actually returns the information I need rather than just doing a Google search for it, which I could just do myself.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Ecosystem (The integration with Google services is unrivaled and no I don't think iCloud can come close)

And from this comment, you clearly haven't used Apple products for what they are designed to do. By far, the Apple ecosystem and integration which includes all Apple devices (iPhone, iPad, Mac etc) is by far the best offering currently in existance for software, hardware and services. The simplicity of transferring data between them all is amazing, and they are all constantly in touch with each other making everything much easier. Google offers no where near this level of integration and is a very very long way from doing so. This is truly a well known fact and in my opionion cannot even be debated.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Maps (Google Maps is simply the best of the free map programs)

I find Apple Maps far superior to Google Maps.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Camera (Many Android phones now have at least a 8MP camera and some even have a 13MP camera)

Both the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 also carry an 8MP camera. The iPhone 5's camera also offers fantastic low light photography / video recording.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):
- Web Browsing (Although I find iPhones Chrome app good, I think the Chrome browser for Android is better)

I find Safari much simpler and more productive to use. It makes the web browsing experience much more enjoyable.



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 17):
I use Apple Maps on a daily basis and have never had a single problem with it. It's much more accurate and clearer than Google Maps in my opinion.

Apple Maps is terrible compared to Google Maps. Having used both in India, UK and the US I have to say that Apple Maps is useless in many parts of the world. It is years behind Apple. And likely will be for a while.

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 17):
I have found Siri to be a lot more accurate than Google Now. It actually returns the information I need rather than just doing a Google search for it, which I could just do myself.

I use Google now on a daily basis. It is absolutely amazing. It does quite a bit more than Siri, and It returns stuff a lot faster than Siri does. Last night it even buzzed and beeped and warned me that there's a Tornado Watch and Flash Flood Warning in my area and that SAID I should stay indoors. I didn't even have to prompt it, the phone saw my GPS location and figure it out itself. Google now also tells me when my packages are expected, and how long it will take me to get to my office. One day, it even told me that I had to leave in 15 minutes to be on time for a meeting. Siri doesnt do anything without prompting.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

I'll stay with the iPhone as that is where my experience is.

I have my 3rd (a 4S) and most of my apps on it are apps I have used for years. A few in the medical area, a couple of weather apps (for tornado alley) and some reference apps, like Google, currency conversions, etc. Otherwise the iOS basic apps work well for me. I like the ease of apps syncing with my MacBook - especially Notes.

Most of all, however, I like the continuing ties these apps have with the iPhone. The developers are continually upgrading apps, leaving the iOS environment easy for hardware upgrades.

I don't know where Android is with the number of apps available, but Apple is a pretty expansive market. That has been a leading point for them (and their developers) for years now and is a legitimate factor when looking at phones.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 3005 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2490 times:
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This is what I really like about my Galaxy S3.

Wednesdays are a brutal day for me. I am out of the house for the entire day from 5am to 9pm (work and school) and also carry a lot of books with me, so I don't like carrying an extra charger or battery booster with me, and there is also the fact that I have to find an outlet somewhere. The splendid battery life on the S3 lasts me till about 5pm, which is when I pull out my spare battery (about the size of a pack of 5-brand chewing gum), and voila, back at 100% battery life.

The spare battery can be bought for cheap (even the OEM version), and believe me, it's incredibly handy!

I'm also used to the big screen now, and I wouldn't be happy about going back to a phone with a smaller screen.

I've been an iPhone user for over 4 years and I'm truly glad that I switched over.



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User currently offlinenorthstardc4m From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3003 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2482 times:
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Before you jump fully into the Galaxy S3 wagon, look at the HTC One X/ One XL/ One X+ family. Hardware specs and size are very very close to the S3, but the display lacks the blue tint that plagues the S3, and usually has a better price point, though depends on carrier. Battery life on mine matches the S3 with an EXPANDED battery.

The Nexus is also a nice phone but can be very hard on the battery depending what network types are available.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
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Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 21):
Battery life on mine matches the S3 with an EXPANDED battery.

The battery that you can't remove? Also bear in mind that there is no expandable memory - which truly sucks. Never noticed any' blue tint' on my S3 either - the display is fine.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2443 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
Apple Maps is terrible compared to Google Maps. Having used both in India, UK and the US I have to say that Apple Maps is useless in many parts of the world. It is years behind Apple. And likely will be for a while.

You're contradicting yourself there...!  cool 

And again: If you're traveling to regions where the server data of Apple Maps isn't up to speed yet, then that's a valid argument for using something else – I might also switch to Google Maps on my iPhone in that case. I just haven't found a need to do that yet. Apple Maps works very well for me.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
I use Google now on a daily basis. It is absolutely amazing. It does quite a bit more than Siri, and It returns stuff a lot faster than Siri does. Last night it even buzzed and beeped and warned me that there's a Tornado Watch and Flash Flood Warning in my area and that SAID I should stay indoors. I didn't even have to prompt it, the phone saw my GPS location and figure it out itself. Google now also tells me when my packages are expected, and how long it will take me to get to my office. One day, it even told me that I had to leave in 15 minutes to be on time for a meeting. Siri doesnt do anything without prompting.

You're aware that Google Now is based on Google collecting vast amounts of personalized data about you in order to monetize that information through targeted advertising?

Apple collects very little personal information, doesn't use any of it for advertising (unless you allow it) or for other extraneous purposes, and even that collection of information I can control myself, not just towards Apple but also towards all app providers. iOS has very fine-grained privacy controls (example: a list of apps which are allowed to access my contact list - including a prompt exactly when an app attempts to access such information)

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 20):
Wednesdays are a brutal day for me. I am out of the house for the entire day from 5am to 9pm (work and school) and also carry a lot of books with me, so I don't like carrying an extra charger or battery booster with me, and there is also the fact that I have to find an outlet somewhere. The splendid battery life on the S3 lasts me till about 5pm, which is when I pull out my spare battery (about the size of a pack of 5-brand chewing gum), and voila, back at 100% battery life.

It is quite possible that you might not even need the extra battery with an iPhone to get through the day (with lighter use it lasts for several days in a row). But if you still did, you could use an extra battery there as well. That's not a difference between the platforms.

[Edited 2013-01-31 15:14:53]

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Malaysia, joined Aug 2001, 3005 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
But if you still did, you could use an extra battery there as well. That's not a difference between the platforms.

Would that be one of those special charger cases? If it's not too bulky I suppose that would work.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 24):
Would that be one of those special charger cases? If it's not too bulky I suppose that would work.

There are various solutions available, but clip-on batteries of roughly the same size as the iPhone itself seem to be the most popular ones.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
You're contradicting yourself there...!

Sorry yes, well played. I meant Apple is years behind Google (it's been a long day) And yes, I travel to a lots of places where chances are Apple won't make it to for at least a couple years.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
Apple collects very little personal information,

How do they improve Siri then? I'm pretty sure Siri collects everything you say. They have to be collecting plenty of information. FYI, just like Apple, I let Google collect my personal information, and It gives me the option to opt out. Just like Apple.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
iOS has very fine-grained privacy controls (example: a list of apps which are allowed to access my contact list - including a prompt exactly when an app attempts to access such information)

So you're saying that nobody in the app store world collects any data about what you download? You sign up for Mac account to get into iTunes, and you search for things on iTunes and the App Store, and you download apps and nobody collects that information? by default Apple knows everything you download. And by doing that learns about their own consumer behavior. All companies do it, so does apple. Apple knows how you and everyone else uses their iPhones, just like Google, and Microsoft, and Blackberry.

P.S. Klaus, while I absolutely respect your opinion, and If you see my first post, there are reasons for OP to buy an iPhone should he wish to, I'm really only explaining my preference for what I want, and why I think it's a good idea to go with android. Let's not take this too off topic.

[Edited 2013-01-31 19:03:34]

User currently offlineRedTailDTW From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 753 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 17):
And from this comment, you clearly haven't used Apple products for what they are designed to do. By far, the Apple ecosystem and integration which includes all Apple devices (iPhone, iPad, Mac etc) is by far the best offering currently in existance for software, hardware and services. The simplicity of transferring data between them all is amazing, and they are all constantly in touch with each other making everything much easier. Google offers no where near this level of integration and is a very very long way from doing so. This is truly a well known fact and in my opionion cannot even be debated.

I own an iPhone 5, iPad and MacBook Air so I have used Apple products pretty extensively. iTunes is far superior to the other media platforms because of it's vast array of choices and ease of use. The main reason I gave Google a nod for ecosystem is because I don't believe iCloud has grown to it's full potential. First of all, it may be just my opinion but I wish iCloud could hold files other than just for iWork, Notes, Contacts and Calendars. A Large majority of users most likely use Microsoft Office whether on a Mac or PC so allowing some sort of better compatibility is desired IMO. Also, you have to consider that even though the integration is good with Mac and other iOS users, there is no easy integration with Windows which is why I gave Google the nod for being more compatible. But overall I never stated that iOS and Mac do not have good integration.

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 17):
I have found Siri to be a lot more accurate than Google Now. It actually returns the information I need rather than just doing a Google search for it, which I could just do myself.

Siri does have many great uses and is very detailed and provides a very nice personal touch. Google Now though does take the crown for being speedier for some questions. The key word being some. Siri is a bit more well rounded though.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
Both the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5 also carry an 8MP camera. The iPhone 5's camera also offers fantastic low light photography / video recording.

Again, I don't doubt what you and Klaus have stated. I own an iPhone 5 and don't even use any other camera anymore for regular picture taking. Some people are all about the Megapixels though. Never stated that the iPhone Camera was subpar.

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 17):
I find Safari much simpler and more productive to use. It makes the web browsing experience much more enjoyable.

The only downside I see to Safari is that the Chrome app has better tab management. I find the pages organization in Safari to be rather annoying sometimes, but that's just my opinion.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Chrome is far from the only browser on iOS. I personally prefer iCab mobile (full-screen mode, extensively customizable, ad filter and much, much more).

Agreed, there are some other browsers for iOS that are quite useful. I have also used Dolphin and found it quite good. As I replied to Virginblue, the whole pages area of Safari I find a little counterproductive sometimes.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Excellent, universal and long-lasting manufacturer support is one of the reasons I prefer the iOS ecosystem.

Definitely Agreed. Apples product support is top notch. Fragmentation is always what has bothered me about Android.


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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2425 times:

Wow! And double WOW ! In just reading all of these replies about smart phones......I have found out more in 30 minutes about smart phones, apps, (and a whole BUNCH of other things that I didn't even know were..........."out there" )!

But the BIGGEST thing of all I learned, is how very LUCKY I am...........not to "need", or have "any use" what-so-ever for a "smart phone" ! Because NOW, I don't have to REMEMBER all of that complicated "stuff" !

And I knew when Klaus got in there, all you android "fanboys" were gonna be "dead in the water" ! Being somewhat of an Apple "fanboy" myself, I have had to turn to Klaus many times for technical expertise, and he has ALWAYS come through for me, every single time. (Thanks again, Klaus!)

I highly doubt if there are two individuals on the whole planet that have the same "needs", "expectations" and so on, of all of these highly technical gadgets we have to choose from nowadays; when I read HAWK21M's original post, requesting information relative to this highly technical (and personally opinionated) subject, I was thinking........uh oh......here's a fellow who I already KNOW, is extremely knowledgeable about big jet airplanes and how to fix them, but he's wise enough to seek first hand experience on this particular subject; BTW......I also think every one of you did a magnificent job, extolling the virtues of your particular favorites ! It really made me realize how pathetically little I know about these things, but even though I don't need a smart phone, I'm still quite willing to invest a little time to learn a little about them; I really think this whole thread should be published as a small booklet and distributed to all of the "older" folks here and there that don't have the advantage of being a member of A.net, and having all of this expertise available. I seriously really mean that.

I think you all did a really great job; (You did a great job (as usual) also Klaus ! (as I knew you would)

Best regards to everyone;

Charley



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2423 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 5):
I would recommend waiting for the 10 to come out and see if this meets your requirements.

I heard about the OS10......Looking forward to its feedback too.

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 6):

I have the Galaxy S III and I highly recommend it.

Galaxy SIII looks great,but it a bit larger than my existing Bold9780........

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):

I have the Galaxy S III and I highly recommend it.

Battery was my concern.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
but he's wise enough to seek first hand experience on this particular subject

Charley.....yeah Its always nice to get feedback for actual users before investing in a product.....hence the post.



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Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29):
Battery was my concern.

I find it fine Mel. I don't charge every day.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

My phone works well. It is an IPhone 4.
I can get through a day or two without charging. If I use a Location enabled App, or play a lot of video games, the draw is much higher.

Battery: My Iphone is now 26 months old. the battery still works great.
Keyboard: The virtual keyboard is easy to use once you get used to it. This is probably why BB didn't offer a physical on the new box.

Applications: The apps for the Iphone are great, weather, stocks, mint, games, conversion charts, netflix........I have over a hundred (Some worthless, some vital, but most are free) . The integration of applications allows the immediate posting of pictures and video's to social networking sites, or status updates from the home menu pull down screeen.

Cameras: Takes such good pictures and video's that I rarely break out my SLR or video camera anymore.
Music: Itunes works great
Phone Quality: Excellent.
Intangebles: Imessage, Facetime, ease of use.
Email: Great integration of outlook, gmail, yahoo and other mail programs.

Alll good qualities. Good luck with your choice. I just offer my opinion here of what I have.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 26):
Sorry yes, well played.

Just relax – I won't exploit your obvious little slip any further. 
Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 26):
I meant Apple is years behind Google (it's been a long day) And yes, I travel to a lots of places where chances are Apple won't make it to for at least a couple years.

In such areas other services may have better coverage indeed – but Google Maps is far from perfect as well, and for many people Apple Maps is already on par or more practical due to its better app (the Google Maps app is not quite up to the same standard Apple has now set).

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 26):
How do they improve Siri then? I'm pretty sure Siri collects everything you say. They have to be collecting plenty of information. FYI, just like Apple, I let Google collect my personal information, and It gives me the option to opt out. Just like Apple.

Apple is not using information gathered with Siri for extraneous purposes while Google sells this information to their actual customers who are buying ads from them.

The users of Google's services are not their customers; Their users are effectively just the product Google actually sells to their real customers.

Apple's users and paying customers, on the other hand, are identical – and that shows not just in the way their products are designed and made, it also shows in whose interests they serve the most.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 26):
So you're saying that nobody in the app store world collects any data about what you download? You sign up for Mac account to get into iTunes, and you search for things on iTunes and the App Store, and you download apps and nobody collects that information? by default Apple knows everything you download. And by doing that learns about their own consumer behavior. All companies do it, so does apple. Apple knows how you and everyone else uses their iPhones, just like Google, and Microsoft, and Blackberry.

There is a fundamental difference between Apple retaining information I've explicitly disclosed directly to them (including purchases I've made in their stores) and Google surrepticiously extracting and collecting information from third-party exchanges such as mail communications with others, browsing history and so on. The monetization of such collected information by Google is then yet another step too far.

The fundamentally different interests the two have prominently show up in the respective privacy controls – Google tries to avoid the topic as far as possible, while Apple puts very fine-grained access controls for sensitive information in the hands of the users, with easily operated prompts and controls.
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-...ol-your-privacy-settings-on-ios-6/

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 26):
P.S. Klaus, while I absolutely respect your opinion, and If you see my first post, there are reasons for OP to buy an iPhone should he wish to, I'm really only explaining my preference for what I want, and why I think it's a good idea to go with android. Let's not take this too off topic.

How so? I see it the same way. I explain my own reasoning behind my personal preferences – they are in no way absolute nor mandatory for anybody else to agree with.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 27):
The main reason I gave Google a nod for ecosystem is because I don't believe iCloud has grown to it's full potential. First of all, it may be just my opinion but I wish iCloud could hold files other than just for iWork, Notes, Contacts and Calendars.

It does. This is an explicit function of iCloud. App developers can integrate it, and they've begun to do so. In addition to that, many apps support DropBox, which works very well across pretty much all ecosystem boundaries.

Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 27):
The only downside I see to Safari is that the Chrome app has better tab management.

It has its pros and cons, but I also prefer the simple list+thumbnail as presented by iCab.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
And I knew when Klaus got in there, all you android "fanboys" were gonna be "dead in the water" !

Well... I'm not in this to "win" anything.   

Deciding between smartphone systems is tricky business, so the main goal should be that Mel and other interested readers get a good picture of the choices and their consequences.

While for me my reasons for choosing iOS are quite compelling, people with other priorities end up in other "camps" with pretty much the same level of satisfaction.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
Being somewhat of an Apple "fanboy" myself, I have had to turn to Klaus many times for technical expertise, and he has ALWAYS come through for me, every single time. (Thanks again, Klaus!)

Always happy to help!  
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29):
I heard about the OS10......Looking forward to its feedback too.

The thing with today's smartphones is that unlike with older cellphones an entire software ecosystem comes with them, very much as with regular computers. Some people never really use much beyond the standard apps; In that case they can switch to a completely different system later on without major complications. If, however, you want to actually exploit the "pocket computer" aspect of a smartphone, you may want to keep some of the many apps around beyond just your current device. I've downloaded apps on my iPod Touch in 2008 which I still use on my iPhone and iPad today and which I'd miss on a different platform.

In this vein, the new Blackberry platform has a steep uphill climb ahead of it, even steeper than the still struggling Windows Phone. From accounts so far, it looks nice, but with no major distinctions.


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Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 22):
Never noticed any' blue tint' on my S3 either - the display is fine.
http://androidforums.com/samsung-gal...-doesnt-screen-look-very-blue.html
http://forums.androidcentral.com/t-g...s-iii/212931-blue-tint-screen.html
http://androidforums.com/samsung-gal...s3-browser-white-tainted-blue.html

Not making it up sorry... it's still a killer phone...

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
There is a fundamental difference between Apple retaining information I've explicitly disclosed directly to them (including purchases I've made in their stores) and Google surrepticiously extracting and collecting information from third-party exchanges such as mail communications with others, browsing history and so on. The monetization of such collected information by Google is then yet another step too far.

You mean like how iCloud is totally at the mercy of the US government to access without warrant for foreign users? Or how the privacy policy does not exclude future data mining for profit by apple?

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29):

I heard about the OS10......Looking forward to its feedback too.

BB10...
I've used it... it is nice and worth looking at, but it's a big shift from OS 7 and prior.
Camera has some nice features like Timeshifting that neither Android or iPhone have, and it's hard to explain until you see it in action.
Otherwise it's very similar to Android 4.x... But with more mail options.
BB10 is going to appeal more to corporate environments with BlackBerry already in place.
Still haven't been able to evaluate how the new sync options work so won't comment.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29):
Galaxy SIII looks great,but it a bit larger than my existing Bold9780........

Then I would wait if you can until the BB Q10 comes out in May, it should be better size wise for you than the S3, OneX, or Iphone 5, and will have a tactile keyboard. There isn't really anything size wise that compares right now.

As for the rest:

Battery is a toss up, it really boils down to how bright you want the screen, what network you use and what other radios you use (Bluetooth, NFC, IR, wifi... all suck battery down even when idle, 3G uses less than LTE or HSPA+, etc). the S3 has had some issues but it does have a replaceable battery that some of the other models don't have.

Apple Maps vs Google Maps... both, neither... meh... i don't care I use google more because I'm more used to it when Im using iOS, but it really is a toss up, they both have local issues here in Canada but nothing major. Apple seems to have a bias against using one way streets in Hamilton for example... updates to both though change them every week.

Size... that's a personal question. I find the iPhone5 small for the price, but it's all personal preference again. Some people find the S3/OneX/Nexus too big... shrug

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
In this vein, the new Blackberry platform has a steep uphill climb ahead of it, even steeper than the still struggling Windows Phone. From accounts so far, it looks nice, but with no major distinctions.

I wouldn't go that far, but Klaus and I will rarely agree on things. Uphill yes, steeper than WM8 well that depends on which market. But Windows Mobile has never been a popular option, BlackBerry still has alot of proponents.

One thing going for BB10 is that it basically can port Android apps to the QNX core quite easily.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

MEL,

Just got back to India from NYC; I own a Nokia Asha 200 for India use and an Android AT&T made by Huawei.

In the US everybody ( = people I know and see) owns an iPhone and the market saturation is unbelievable. In India, Samsung seems to be king.

On a phone, you actually need very few apps, since sooner or later you will own a tablet, most likely an iPad . That is where you can download apps, video, games and manuals to your heart's content.

So that leaves you with picking a phone that sounds really clear, is easy to dial, has a good GPS app - that's it. But wait -the phone of your dreams has to have an LED flashlight too!

I think you should just go down to the Mall to a Reliance store and touch and play with the phones on display. Spend as little as you can because you will want something new again in a year. All else being equal, I would get a phone with the latest version of Android - called Jelly Bean.

OK now I have an OT question for you. There is some kind of an air show in Bangalore next week, should I go?

Cheers


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 34):
On a phone, you actually need very few apps, since sooner or later you will own a tablet, most likely an iPad .

When I'm on the go (apart from actual traveling) I don't take my iPad with me. I primarily use different apps on my phone, but I would lose a lot of functionality if my iPhone couldn't run substantial apps.


User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

My recommendation:

If simplicity, excellent backup system, and great battery life is necessary, go with an iPhone 5. If unrivaled functionality & a larger screen size is important, get a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 (this phone's battery life is about as good as iPhone 5's). Both of these phones cost quite a bit, however.

If you have a limited budget, the Google Nexus 4 is excellent value, probably the best phone for the cost currently. It costs approximately half of what an iPhone 5 & Note 2 cost, at least here in the US. It runs the latest version of Android called Jelly Bean, which finally caught up to iOS in speed, smoothness, and stability, and is ahead of iOS in functionality in most areas. Also, since it's a Google phone and unlocked, it will receive updates directly from Google as soon as they're released and regardless of the carrier, similar to Apple's system. But again, the biggest downside to Android is that there is no good backup system. But since Jelly Bean that's really the only major advantage iOS has over Android (besides updates if you have a carrier branded Android).

You will probably find an iPhone will be simpler to learn & use. Android allows more customization which also increases the chances of creating problems. Apple restricts customizing a lot, which is part of the reason iPhones have the well deserved reputation that they "just work."

If you get an Android, don't install apps you didn't download from the Play Store or Amazon App Store. Android allows sideloading apps, which consists of downloading the file to your phone, and tapping it to install. The risk of malware is higher doing it this way though.

Quoting comorin (Reply 34):
I think you should just go down to the Mall to a Reliance store and touch and play with the phones on display. Spend as little as you can because you will want something new again in a year. All else being equal, I would get a phone with the latest version of Android - called Jelly Bean.

Excellent advice!


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Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2256 times:
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Quoting TLG (Reply 36):
But again, the biggest downside to Android is that there is no good backup system. But since Jelly Bean that's really the only major advantage iOS has over Android (besides updates if you have a carrier branded Android).

Natively no there isn't a good backup, however both Samsung and HTC's sync software (and i've heard also good though never used them myself LG'ss and Motorola's) do a decent job doing backups, and I've never lost anything meaningful when I had to restore an android. Just keep in mind though that most of the stuff you really care about isn't only on the phone anymore anyways (mail, calendar, music, apps), with the exception of photos, and those will often be on the SD card.

iTunes and Blackberry Manager are easiest though for full backup/restore by far... the new BB Link (for BB10) doesn't seem to have the same backup functionality though, haven't gotten to test it yet myself though.

Quoting comorin (Reply 34):
I think you should just go down to the Mall to a Reliance store and touch and play with the phones on display. Spend as little as you can because you will want something new again in a year. All else being equal, I would get a phone with the latest version of Android - called Jelly Bean.

Jelly Bean is officially known as Android 4.1.x, most recent build is 4.1.2
Many phones come with 4.0 updateable to 4.1, but before accepting this make sure the carrier you are buying it for has the update available, some do not have it on all devices.
4.0 is still a good version as well though, so if you want to save some money it can be worth accepting.

But yes best advice I always give people is try before buy. Go to a store, try out all the models you like the looks of. one tip though, reset the phone to factory before deciding a phone looks wrong, often times its because a previous customer mucked up the settings. Also go during the day so you can see the screens in daylight if possible, it can make a big difference.



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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter):
Pls Suggest A Good Phone Folks. 

Get the HTC G2. You can buy one off Ebay. I am going back to it, from a Galaxy S2. I can't stand the on screen keyboard no more. Good luck.

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2224 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):
When I'm on the go (apart from actual traveling) I don't take my iPad with me. I primarily use different apps on my phone, but I would lose a lot of functionality if my iPhone couldn't run substantial apps.

Absolutely. Also, there is no appreciable difference between the storage you can achieve on tablets vs phones these days. One of the main reasons I don't bother getting a tablet - the storage is poor, and I do not buy the concept of being wholly reliant on clouds as the fact is there are still places you might go with no internet connection.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting TLG (Reply 36):
But again, the biggest downside to Android is that there is no good backup system. But since Jelly Bean that's really the only major advantage iOS has over Android (besides updates if you have a carrier branded Android).

That is quite debatable even for the system as such, but specifically the quality levels of the available apps are significantly different. And that is where most of the utility (and fun) in a smartphone ultimately comes from.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 39):
Absolutely. Also, there is no appreciable difference between the storage you can achieve on tablets vs phones these days.

Apple has just upped the ante again with the new 128GB version of the iPad, so with that the difference is quite substantial again.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 39):
One of the main reasons I don't bother getting a tablet - the storage is poor, and I do not buy the concept of being wholly reliant on clouds as the fact is there are still places you might go with no internet connection.

I don't have to rely on cloud services with my current 64GB iPad either. And with 128GB you can carry an even more substantial amount of documents, photos or media with you. "Poor" storage is something different.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2212 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 40):
Apple has just upped the ante again with the new 128GB version of the iPad, so with that the difference is quite substantial again.

That's true, but then 128gb micro sd should be coming out within months.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 41):
That's true, but then 128gb micro sd should be coming out within months.

Slow, without proper encryption and not usable in most devices which even have slots. And those which do are the ones that don't get updates (as none of the Nexus devices have slots, and even updates for those are limited).

There is often a big difference between theoretical spec sheet features and practical usability.


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Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2201 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
Slow, without proper encryption and not usable in most devices which even have slots.

They are fast enough for most practical uses, music and video storage and playback for example. There should be no problem using them in many devices if formatted accordingly. Any such initial hurdles will doubtless be overcome before too long anyway.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 43):
They are fast enough for most practical uses, music and video storage and playback for example. There should be no problem using them in many devices if formatted accordingly. Any such initial hurdles will doubtless be overcome before too long anyway.

Practical experiences so far don't seem to support that kind of optimism (particularly given the lack of updates for most Android devices).

When you actually need storage space for full use without tinkering and without time-consuming manual administration of (usually small) internal and external partitions, having to deal with Android peculiarities about what can even go where, this is not really an option.


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Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
Practical experiences so far don't seem to support that kind of optimism (particularly given the lack of updates for most Android devices).

64gb has been zero problem for me so far, had it since it came out. Why should 128 on the same system be any different?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 45):
64gb has been zero problem for me so far, had it since it came out. Why should 128 on the same system be any different?

It doesn't need to be on your particular device with your particular configuration and your particular needs, but the wider issue is pretty complex and problematic – which is why Google has never offered a single device with a slot.


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Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2179 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 46):
It doesn't need to be on your particular device with your particular configuration and your particular needs, but the wider issue is pretty complex and problematic – which is why Google has never offered a single device with a slot.

Understood, but surely if it can work without problem on my device then it others can make devices with similar support. Also, my uses are not particularly individual. I'm pretty sure most other people use that micro SD storage on their phones for photos, music and video on the whole too. I get that in theory it has drawbacks compared to other forms of memory hardware, but for everyday practical use it really is no problem.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 34):
There is some kind of an air show in Bangalore next week, should I go?

Aero India 2013 cannot be missed.....  
Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 33):
Then I would wait if you can until the BB Q10 comes out in May,

The problem with BB is the added BB charges and 3G rates.......



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29):
Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 6):

I have the Galaxy S III and I highly recommend it.

Galaxy SIII looks great,but it a bit larger than my existing Bold9780........

You get used to the size pretty quick.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 29):
Quoting RedTailDTW (Reply 10):

I have the Galaxy S III and I highly recommend it.

Battery was my concern.

Some tips to save a battery on any phone which Android makes a lot simpler than iOS because this can be done by bringing down the notifications tray. Just turn off Bluetooth, Wifi, GPS etc when not using them. An app like Juice defender does this automatically but doesn't shut everything down.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1947 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 49):
An app like Juice defender does this automatically but doesn't shut everything down.

Something similiar to the battery saver apps on BB I guess.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 50):
Something similiar to the battery saver apps on BB I guess.

Yeah I don't think you can go wrong with a lot of these apps. Yes your phone may run a bit slower but you can always turn the app off for a short time if you need it run at it's fastest.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 49):
Some tips to save a battery on any phone which Android makes a lot simpler than iOS because this can be done by bringing down the notifications tray. Just turn off Bluetooth, Wifi, GPS etc when not using them. An app like Juice defender does this automatically but doesn't shut everything down.

The thing is that these features are much less critical on iOS devices – you generally don't need to switch off WiFi in the first place in order to conserve battery power, for instance. WiFi is never off on my iPhone or iPad – it is simply inconsequential to battery life.

It is trivially easy to switch even so, because the switches for all major features appear immediately on the top level of the Settings app. No extra app required.

GPS is also a non-issue, since it is not running all the time when you're not using it. And even so under iOS you can configure the permission to use GPS on a per-app basis at any time, just like other privacy access rights.

These Android apps are basically a band-aid on a wound that is mostly specific to Android and doesn't exist on iOS devices in the first place.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Quoting TLG (Reply 36):
If simplicity, excellent backup system, and great battery life is necessary, go with an iPhone 5. If unrivaled functionality & a larger screen size is important, get a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 (this phone's battery life is about as good as iPhone 5's). Both of these phones cost quite a bit, however.

I personally would not recommend the iphone 5, I am on my 3rd one in two weeks, absolutely serious QC issues with the screen. When I took my first one back after it failed in less than 2 hours, then they could not even get a replacement phone to even work right out of the box at the store. I am not even counting that one.

Pretty useless kit I would say. It does not matter what a phone can do if the touch sceen or sections of the screen do not work. Wish I had my Samsung back.

One of my friends who is an Apple iphone nut, who buys a new model every time a new one comes out says he lost count on his i5 failures wishes he had his 4S back, but his wife has it and won't relinquish.



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User currently offlineTLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 53):
I personally would not recommend the iphone 5, I am on my 3rd one in two weeks, absolutely serious QC issues with the screen. When I took my first one back after it failed in less than 2 hours, then they could not even get a replacement phone to even work right out of the box at the store. I am not even counting that one.

Pretty useless kit I would say. It does not matter what a phone can do if the touch sceen or sections of the screen do not work. Wish I had my Samsung back.

Quite an experience! I would say though that what happened to you is certainly not normal, and I say this even though I am not an Apple fanboy. The iPhone 5 has its following, and for good reason. Apple has earned it.

I had to have my first Nexus 4 replaced when it died after about an hour, but the replacement is working fine. If I would've had the same experience you did though, I'm sure I would be second guessing myself.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 52):
These Android apps are basically a band-aid on a wound that is mostly specific to Android and doesn't exist on iOS devices in the first place.

It's a standard android feature, you pull down the notifications tray exactly like on an Iphone and their are buttons to turn on and off: Wifi, GPS, Bluetooth, Sync etc. There are apps you can get to make these buttons a widget also.

I know its not hard on an Iphone but this is one of the really user friendly features on Android.

Quoting okie (Reply 53):
I personally would not recommend the iphone 5, I am on my 3rd one in two weeks, absolutely serious QC issues with the screen. When I took my first one back after it failed in less than 2 hours, then they could not even get a replacement phone to even work right out of the box at the store. I am not even counting that one.

That is plain bad luck but I would say that the Iphone 5 is an excellent phone because it is. However with all the competition out there it is not nearly as easy to charge $199 on a new contract for an Iphone 5 where you can get at S3 for free or $50-$100 depending on the provider.

It, to me is not worth the additional cost as perhaps the older models were worth.



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Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1730 times:
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Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 55):
That is plain bad luck but I would say that the Iphone 5 is an excellent phone because it is. However with all the competition out there it is not nearly as easy to charge $199 on a new contract for an Iphone 5 where you can get at S3 for free or $50-$100 depending on the provider.

Don't confuse the compensated price (3 year plan required) with the actual price of the devices...
Current full value prices (CAD, NO DISCOUNTS, MSRP, GSM version if applicable):
iPhone 5 16GB: 699.00
iPhone 5 64GB: 899.00
Samsung Galaxy S3 16GB: 649.00
Samsung Galaxy S3 32GB: 699.00
Samsung Galaxy Note II 16GB: 729.00
HTC One X (LTE2100) 16GB: 629.99
HTC One X+ (LTE2100) 16GB: 699.99
HTC One XL (LTE2100): 679.99
HTC One S (LTE): 349.99
Motorola RAZR HD (LTE): 600.00
Nokia Lumia 920: 599.99
LG Optimus G: 649.99

There isn't much between them honestly...



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 56):
There isn't much between them honestly...

I'm going to flip-flip a bit here in that I would have got the Iphone 5 if I didn't go with the contract because you are able to get it unlocked for $699 through apple (Canadian prices) and there is no where I can get the S3 unlocked legally without incurring a $50 fee from the carrier you would have to buy it off.

However on 3 year terms when I decided on my S3 it was being offered for free or $50 in some places where the Iphone 5 I would have had to pay at best $149 on a 3 year term. When the carriers subsidize $500 over the term the SIII was the cheaper option even before my negotiating  .



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1320 posts, RR: 3
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

I just upgraded from an iPhone 4 to a Galaxy III S, (mainly because I accidentally upgraded to IOS 6, which is unusable on the iPhone 4), and my experience has been thus.

After a couple of weeks my verdict is:

1) The phone is way, way more flexible than the iPhone. I love being able to have greater control of the storage; the apps running; processes etc. It's much more "computer-like" in that sense.

2) The fact that absolutely everything is customizable is wonderful for me, but as I say I must stress that you need to play about for ages to get things to work. An example- I was having problems getting album artwork displaying in the music player, and after about two hours fiddling I realized there was another completely different (and way better) music player on the device which did everything automatically. The first player I used was way worse than the iPhone- the second way better. But I had no way of knowing until I stumbled upon it. Having said that bear in mind that although the learning curve is steep, ultimately you will get the hang of it and there will be no difference in usability between the phones.

3) The email client SUCKS. If email is your primary focus I'd seriously consider seeing if the Android email client will meet your needs. The default one is awful IMO, and I was actually going to start a thread to see if anybody had alternative recommendations. Apart from being able to download attachments to the SD card etc, the email client is worse in every way compared to the Apple IOS one.

4) Battery life initially seemed poor, but that was mostly because I had been playing around with it on full brightness for several hours a day. Under normal usage it seems better than the iPhone 4 (but maybe not better than iPhone 5- I don't know)

5) Maps are a red herring. The Apple Maps IMO are only marginally inferior to the google ones, and if you like the google ones you can get them on IOS now anyway.

6) The phone (I think) works better- the iPhone 4 doesn't seem very good at telling when I have the phone up to my ear, especially in bright sunlight. However this may have been an issue with my particular iPhone.

7) Subjectively, it "feels" better to me. Picking up my iPhone feels like a huge step back in terms of the interface and the functionality. Other people will tell you the opposite though, so you have to compare them yourself.

All in all the Galaxy has a few problems which I'm still ironing out, and I certainly wouldn't buy my parents one, but for me it works better than my iPhone 4. Heed my warnings about the email client though- it is terrible.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3359 posts, RR: 9
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 58):
The email client SUCKS. If email is your primary focus I'd seriously consider seeing if the Android email client will meet your needs. The default one is awful IMO, and I was actually going to start a thread to see if anybody had alternative recommendations. Apart from being able to download attachments to the SD card etc, the email client is worse in every way compared to the Apple IOS one.

If you use Gmail primarily (you have to have an account to use Google Play), then use the Gmail app which I find very good, also check Google Play for an app for your e-mail provider.

I have an S III and haven't touched the normal mail app because I didn't like it on my old Android.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 58):
Battery life initially seemed poor, but that was mostly because I had been playing around with it on full brightness for several hours a day. Under normal usage it seems better than the iPhone 4 (but maybe not better than iPhone 5- I don't know)

Turn on Power Saver and turn off things like Wifi, GPS, bluetooth etc. when not using them. Or get Juice Defender which will do this for you when you are not using the phone.



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User currently offlinevhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1456 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

If your considering a Samsung it way be worth waiting few months. The S IV is rumored to be released in Q2 2013.

I'm in the same boat my iPhone 4 is approaching end of contract shortly and while I haven't had any major problems wi it I am a little disappointed with iOS 6. The maps lack detail and I can't seem t play audio from YouTube in the background anymore like I used to be able to in iOS 5. I'm considering either the Galaxy S IV or Note II. I'm leaning more towards the S IV due to the more compact size.



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1320 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 59):
If you use Gmail primarily (you have to have an account to use Google Play), then use the Gmail app which I find very good, also check Google Play for an app for your e-mail provider.

I have an S III and haven't touched the normal mail app because I didn't like it on my old Android.

I do use gmail, but specifically I'm looking for a good Exchange client for my work email.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 58):
I just upgraded from an iPhone 4 to a Galaxy III S, (mainly because I accidentally upgraded to IOS 6, which is unusable on the iPhone 4),

Why exactly do you see iOS 6 as "unusable" on the iPhone 4?

I'm using it on m 4S and it's running perfectly with no discernible problems, but quite a few improvements.

The 4S has a faster processor than the 4, but the same amount of RAM which is usually more critical. So which problems should I have noticed after the upgrade from iOS 5?

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 60):
I'm in the same boat my iPhone 4 is approaching end of contract shortly and while I haven't had any major problems wi it I am a little disappointed with iOS 6. The maps lack detail and I can't seem t play audio from YouTube in the background anymore like I used to be able to in iOS 5.

You can use the more outdated but higher-resolution Google aerial images in the iOS Google Maps app.

Background audio is supported by iOS, the Youtube app by Google just doesn't seem to do it properly. There are various other Youtube-supporting apps as well; It is likely that at least one of them supports background playback properly until Google fixes their own app.

[Edited 2013-02-15 11:36:37]

User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1320 posts, RR: 3
Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 62):
Why exactly do you see iOS 6 as "unusable" on the iPhone 4?

It's slow as a dog. Press a button, wait two seconds, something happens. That's just frustrating. None of the new functionality is worth having for me (what there is of it, which isn't much), so it just made the phone worse. The big new feature was meant to be Apple Maps but that is not as accurate as google in the SF Bay Area (in my experience). Better Siri is another feature, but the iPhone 4 can't run it and even if it could I can't imagine ever using it.

But the speed is the killer. We had to put out an advisory in our company to prevent our iPhone users from upgrading because we got so many complaints from those who did. I don't know why Apple didn't just make it only available for 4S and up.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 63):
It's slow as a dog. Press a button, wait two seconds, something happens.

That sounds rather dubious.

When a major iOS upgrade is installed and Spotlight search is enabled, one of the first things the new system does is re-indexing all data on the device.

Especially on the the older single-core devices performance can suffer noticeably while that is being done, but it is a one-time process only after a major upgrade and after a few hours at most it returns to regular performance.

This has been the case since Spotlight has been introduced. And every time some impatient users made claims exactly like yours, but in each case performance was fine after re-indexing completed.

If what you've said was actually the case, even my 4S would show severe performance degradation, but it doesn't. It runs at least as well as with the previous version, if not better. And nobody would be able to use iOS 6 with the iPhone 4 or even the iPhone 3GS, but apparently people can and do, at least most of them without complaints.

So something is not quite right in this picture, and from all appearances it's not iOS 6.


User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1320 posts, RR: 3
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 64):
When a major iOS upgrade is installed and Spotlight search is enabled, one of the first things the new system does is re-indexing all data on the device.

I upgraded in November, and had my phone on every day until I switched to Android three weeks ago. I don't think it's that, and if it is it's crap behaviour.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 64):
That sounds rather dubious.
Quoting Klaus (Reply 64):
So something is not quite right in this picture, and from all appearances it's not iOS 6.

Well, evidently it's unique to the 30 or so iPhone users in my company who upgraded. Nevertheless I do have this problem, hence why I switched to Android, where I don't have this problem. Now everything is nice and speedy   .



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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting TLG (Reply 36):
If you have a limited budget, the Google Nexus 4 is excellent value, probably the best phone for the cost currently.

Just got a Nexus 4 myself and for the price it is the best device on the market, hands down.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 42):
Nexus devices have slots, and even updates for those are limited

Disagree, I now have a Nexus 7 and a Nexus 4 and the 7 has received two updates since I have owned it. Both have increased functionality and stability. In the Android world there is one thing you can count on, that a Nexus device will receive frequent software updates as Google releases them.

Both my devices will get Key Lime Pie a day or two after it is released. This will not happen for 99% of other Android phones on the market, including the Samsung and HTC flagships. Unless you have a pressing issue for a superb camera (the Nexus 4 camera is okay to good) or need extra storage via SD card then a Nexus device should be your Android of choice.


User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1320 posts, RR: 3
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

I'd also echo that 64Gb MicroSD "just worked" in my Galaxy III. Didn't have to do any special formatting- started using it straight away. I've seen tons of people not have the same luck on other Androids though, so I think it's dependent on the device.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
is how very LUCKY I am...........not to "need", or have "any use" what-so-ever for a "smart phone" ! Because NOW, I don't have to REMEMBER all of that complicated "stuff" !

Charlie, sometimes the features on a phone aren't of interest until you actually use it. Sort of like air conditioning in cars. It wasn't that important to our family until we got that Pontiac station wagon back in '55. Then our opinion changed pretty quick.

These days we're looking at "features" on cars that are now important. Back-up cameras are pretty important for me after two cervical disc fusions, which limit how much I can turn my head. Bluetooth that interacts with our mobile phone for hands free driving. We would have laughed at that 10 years ago. Today it is just logical.

People with smartphones generally find a few features available that, all of a sudden, are of interest, or are useful. Looking at Maps, or having an easy update of local news when you are out of town are not difficult to use.

The other important thing about those smart phones are the games fro the grandkids. Those visits are the only time the battery on my iPhone goes down to under half power.  
Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 33):
BB10 is going to appeal more to corporate environments with BlackBerry already in place.

Looks like that appeal to corporate customers is not a slam dunk for the BB10.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/...-in-favor-of-apples-iphone-and-ios


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2070 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 56):
There isn't much between them honestly...

"No discounts" is the key here. While Samsung and the other Android manufacturers heavily discount their devices, Apple practically never does so. In theory the S3 and the iPhone 5 cost about the same for the 16GB version, in practice the iPhone will set you back several hundred Euros more.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1493 times:

Anyone aware of the BB OS10 reviews.


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