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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Shortly, I'll be going to Dallas for 10 days of company training. Obviously, my time is finite and our company is very generous with dining. But, I'll have a Saturday night and Sunday off. So, I want to make the most of my visit. Here are my questions. I believe we will be staying at the Elegante Dallas or one of the other hotels adjacent to DAL and the training campus.

  • How is public transportation on Saturday nights and Sundays?
  • I want to tour the JFK museum. How accessible to DAL and the hotel area?
  • May want to rent a car and take a mini day trip to Mineral Wells, TX. I know we're talking about a 90 minute haul each way. I want to take the ghost tour of the once elegant now closed Baker Hotel. Is it worth doing?
  • Any indoor aquatic facilities in the DAL area? My hotel does not have an indoor pool.
  • Dallas is known for it's Mexican food and killer steak/beef; Any suggestions for either cuisine close to where I'm staying that's not a national chain and not expensive?
  • How about one of those steak places where if you eat the entire steak it's free and you get a trophy or honorable mention on their wall of fame? I realize the side of beef/steak is going to run in the 30's price wise.
  • Any comedy clubs with an open mike nearby? (I'm just in TX for training so, if I flop, what's done in TX stays in TX)
  • Intense classroom instruction can cause tight muscles. Any massage recommendations? (women administering the therapy)
  • Areas me and my fellow classmates should avoid/stay away?


Of course there is that issue of going to class, studying etc. But, as mentioned with what limited free time available I want to explore and experiencing new things.


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20392 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
I want to tour the JFK museum.

This is something absolutely not to miss. The most stunning thing about it is that Dealy Plaza looks almost like it did in 1963 (at least when I was last there). Just nevermind the conspiracy theorist booklet vendors up on the grassy knoll.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7580 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
How is public transportation on Saturday nights and Sundays?

If I'm reading the map right - that Hotel is the old Day's Inn at Loop 12 and I-35E. You will be about a mile from the Dart Rail Bachmann Station.

I use DART Rail to get around on weekends and other occasions just to avoid the hassle of driving and parking. The schedules are pretty good on weekends and they run til midnight, but not much beyond.

Look up schedules for the Orange and Green lines. - http://www.dart.org/

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
May want to rent a car and take a mini day trip to Mineral Wells, TX. I know we're talking about a 90 minute haul each way. I want to take the ghost tour of the once elegant now closed Baker Hotel. Is it worth doing?

Probably closer to 2 hours to Mineral Wells. There is heavy construction on Hwy 183 between Dallas and Fort Worth, and some on I-30. I've not done the tour, but I drove past the hotel a couple weeks ago. It's visually impressive.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6130 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
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There is really no cheap Mexican dining in Dallas. I could give you a few names, but they´ll be expensive.

You should really consider going to the AA museum in DFW.



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

Hi Zippy

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
How is public transportation on Saturday nights and Sundays?

Catch the 528 or 31 bus to Bachman Station and you can get Downtown on the light rail from there. Main Street has a few nice places (or did last year). If you're wanting to get around to interesting places other than there, take the light rail to Cityplace and go through Uptown or to Mockingbird Station for my favourite Irish pub in town (Trinity Hall). SMU is also right there and the SMU bars are along SMU Boulevard, a 5 or so minute walk from Mockingbird Station. Lower Greenville, great place, isn't very public transit friendly.

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
I want to tour the JFK museum. How accessible to DAL and the hotel area?

Take the light rail to West End Station and you'll be just a couple blocks away.

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
Any indoor aquatic facilities in the DAL area? My hotel does not have an indoor pool.

There is one on the north side of Love Field, if I remember correctly. Bachman rec centre maybe?

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
Dallas is known for it's Mexican food and killer steak/beef; Any suggestions for either cuisine close to where I'm staying that's not a national chain and not expensive?

Herrera's on Denton Drive just south of Inwood is great.

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
Areas me and my fellow classmates should avoid/stay away?

West Dallas. South Dallas. Harry Hines and Denton Boulevards north of Northwest Highway late at night. Unless you're looking for a hooker.

Texan



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5488 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1403 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 2):
If I'm reading the map right - that Hotel is the old Day's Inn at Loop 12 and I-35E. You will be about a mile from the Dart Rail Bachmann Station.

It was a Radisson Hotel, much nicer than any Days Inn. As I guess you know, lots of aircrew there. I attend trade group meetings there. Gotta be honest - I would not really counsel a whole lot of walking around (say, to and from the Dart Rail station), especially at night.

Odds are, though, the hotel will task a shuttle van to take you to such a place, upon request. They are a nice and helpful bunch, there.

Quoting texan (Reply 4):
West Dallas. South Dallas. Harry Hines and Denton Boulevards north of Northwest Highway late at night. Unless you're looking for a hooker.

True, but you'd need to be fairly desperate to choose one of the hookers you'd find on Hines!

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The ginormous steak and fixin's that you get for free if you eat it in an hour is found in Amarillo, which is a Very Long Way from Dallas. The Big Texan Steak Ranch. http://www.bigtexan.com/ How cool is that - you can watch a live webcam of people trying to eat the 72-ounce steak, and all the accoutrement thereto in an hour. (Shudder)

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As for "best" Mexican food, it's like asking "...what's the best color?" Herrera's is not bad, but I would not elevate it to the top 'o the heap.... it's sort of production-grade. It was my recommendation, I'd go right down the street to Pappasito's which, while big and corporate-owned, nonetheless tends to put out a fine plate of food. Inasmuch as nearly everyone cooking the food is from Mexico, there is no problem with authenticity.

The old Baker: I have to stop and wander all around it every time I go to or through Mineral Wells, and have always wished to take the tour- but have not. So I hope you'll enjoy it (and I bet you will). No way you'll be there in 90 minutes. Also, you'll be glad to know that Mineral Wells is the autopilot capital of America, home to both Century Flight Systems and S-Tec/Cobham. Excitement!

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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1400 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 3):

I totally forgot about the AA museum. When I was asking about Mexican food, I'm including any "hole in the wall/fast food type joints." For example in the Tampa metropolitan area I discovered a cheap chain called Taco Bus. The original which is actually an old short bus around downtown St. Pete is kick ass and the branch near where my buddy lives (University of South Florida neighborhood) is no slouch.



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3866 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
How is public transportation on Saturday nights and Sundays?
I want to tour the JFK museum. How accessible to DAL and the hotel area

Check the schedules on the DART website. It might be worth it in some cases to catch a cab, especially if its late at night.
JFK museum is very accessible from the Love Field area--it's downtown, and worth a visit. If you want to take public transit, I'd suggest the light rail to the west end option.

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
Dallas is known for it's Mexican food and killer steak/beef; Any suggestions for either cuisine close to where I'm staying that's not a national chain and not expensive?
Quoting AR385 (Reply 3):
There is really no cheap Mexican dining in Dallas. I could give you a few names, but they´ll be expensive

Well, define cheap. It might be hard to find a good Mexican place for under 10 bucks for the meal (unless you want Chipotle, Taco Cabana, etc.), but if you are willing to spend about 20-25 bucks per person, there are plenty of places where that would get you a filling entree, cup of queso (or other side dish), at least one beer, and tip!

Herrera's is good. The original Dallas local tex-mex chain is El Fenix, which is also good. My favorite (and my parents favorite--They eat there at least once a week, and I'm usually there within two meal times since landing in DFW) is Manny's Uptown near the DART cityplace light rail station. All these places give you great bang for your buck, and will give you the best food coma of your life!

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
Gotta be honest - I would not really counsel a whole lot of walking around (say, to and from the Dart Rail station), especially at night.

Agreed. Dallas ain't exactly a walking city, and the area of town you're going to be staying in can be hit or miss. A lot of strip clubs are within a five to ten minute drive of the hotel.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 4):
Harry Hines and Denton Boulevards north of Northwest Highway late at night. Unless you're looking for a hooker.

Finally someone gets to the heart of the matter.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
True, but you'd need to be fairly desperate to choose one of the hookers you'd find on Hines!

Ahh, boo!



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 3):
There is really no cheap Mexican dining in Dallas. I could give you a few names, but they´ll be expensive.

When I was there 2001 (taking the exams for the FAA A&P license at Redbird Airport), I walked up from my motel at Camp Wisdom Blvd. right to downtown city. On the way I passed a mainly Mexican neighbourhood (forgot the name of the street) with small restaurants and eateries, where I had lunch in one. The waitresses there didn´t speak English, but were quite amused about my Castillian Spanish, which I learned in highschool in Germany. vThe food was quite good and not expensive. I think these restaurants mainly catered to the local Mexican population.

BTW, the staff at the school got very exited when I told them that I was using the public bus from the hotel to school instead of getting a taxi. They also told me to stay out of the Mexican neighbourhood.
Sure, in both places I stood out (often being the only white face around Camp Wisdom Blvd.), but I never had a problem.
Most people were very friendly in both places.

Jan


User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
I believe we will be staying at the Elegante Dallas or one of the other hotels adjacent to DAL and the training campus.

Ok, so you're right across I35 from Technology blvd... Yes, there's a decent amount of stuff there, but as everyone says, be judicious about where you're off too...

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
Any suggestions for either cuisine close to where I'm staying that's not a national chain and not expensive?

There is a local chain called Humperdinks. They're great to get a little sloshed at, & the food's pretty good too. There's one on Technology, (well w/in walking distance). I highly recommend this place. They hire a lot their waitresses for obvious reasons (though they have a few token dudes too), if you catch my drift... Anyway, I've spent many a late night out on the smoke deck (it faces NW HWY) getting hammered w/friends & broads. Lot of fond memories there.

But that night club across the lot, yeah forget about that one. Dump city, lol...

In that same circle is a Genghis Grill, which I used to Love for lunches. Across NW HWY, next to the Valero, is a pretty decent Ribs joint, if you like that sort of thing as well. Further up that circle, you'll get a few more expensive places, like Papas something Grill, and another of local chains, Papadeux. I think they're related, but don't quote me on that...

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 2):

If I'm reading the map right - that Hotel is the old Day's Inn at Loop 12 and I-35E. You will be about a mile from the Dart Rail Bachmann Station.

You are. And the shuttle recommendations are good. The area east falls off pretty fast between that hotel & the airport. Not really the best part of town there...

Quoting texan (Reply 4):
West Dallas. South Dallas. Harry Hines and Denton Boulevards north of Northwest Highway late at night. Unless you're looking for a hooker.

Lol, good old Scarry Hines...

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
When I was there 2001 (taking the exams for the FAA A&P license at Redbird Airport),

Way cool. I got my A&P there too! Although, by then it was called Dallas Executive. Guess they're trying to class up the joint or something, lol...



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7580 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Thread starter):
Dallas is known for it's Mexican food

I wasn't really aware of this.

Quoting us330 (Reply 7):
The original Dallas local tex-mex chain is El Fenix, which is also good.

I love El Fenix.



For the OP

Do you mean MEXICAN food or TEX-MEX?

There is a difference. Herrera's and El Fenix are very good Tex-Mex - Tacos, Enchiladas, Tamales, etc.

If you want real authentic food of Mexico - which is not the above.


There are many small restaurants a bit east and north of your hotel - especially along Webb Chapel Rd to the north. That neighborhood is crowded with Mexican immigrants - and few people speak English well.

But I've never eaten at the restaurants in the area, so have no recommendations.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Hey Zippy,

If you're looking for real, authentic, hole-in-the-wall Mexican food, there's a great tacquiera right by DAL on Harry Hines just north of Mockingbird. I forget the name of the place and haven't been there in years, but it was one of our mainstays when I worked at DAL. I'll check with family back there and see if it is still open. Best street tacos I've ever eaten.

Texan



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 12):
street tacos

Ahh, is that what they are calling it these days?  



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6130 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1265 times:
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Quoting zippyjet (Reply 6):
I totally forgot about the AA museum. When I was asking about Mexican food, I'm including any "hole in the wall/fast food type joints."

The AA museum is definitely worth at least half a day. I hope you have time.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
Herrera's is not bad, but I would not elevate it to the top 'o the heap.... it's sort of production-grade. It was my recommendation, I'd go right down the street to Pappasito's
Quoting us330 (Reply 7):
Well, define cheap. It might be hard to find a good Mexican place for under 10 bucks for the meal (unless you want Chipotle, Taco Cabana, etc.), but if you are willing to spend about 20-25 bucks per person, there are plenty of places where that would get you a filling entree, cup of queso (or other side dish), at least one beer, and tip!

Herrera´s and Pappasito´s are, as has been said before, Tex-Mex (although Herrera´s does have a few real Mexican dishes) Fine if you like that invention, I don´t like it. What I meant by saying that there is really no cheap Mexican dining in Dallas I thought Zippy had in mind the REAL stuff. A real Mexican restaurant is hard to come by and they are not cheap. There are only about two in the Houston area which are excellent but not cheap. It´s similar in Dallas. I recall one which is really good because it has mainly food from the Yucatán. I hope I can remember the name.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
When I was there 2001 (taking the exams for the FAA A&P license at Redbird Airport), I walked up from my motel at Camp Wisdom Blvd. right to downtown city. On the way I passed a mainly Mexican neighbourhood (forgot the name of the street) with small restaurants and eateries, where I had lunch in one. The waitresses there didn´t speak English, but were quite amused about my Castillian Spanish, which I learned in highschool in Germany. vThe food was quite good and not expensive. I think these restaurants mainly catered to the local Mexican population.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 11):
There are many small restaurants a bit east and north of your hotel - especially along Webb Chapel Rd to the north. That neighborhood is crowded with Mexican immigrants - and few people speak English well.

The problem with those restaurants is that they are hit or miss. They all look the same from outside but they vary enormously in quality. I´ve seen things in those kitchens you would not like. However, I´ll take any of those places over the Tex-Mex ones. And yes, they are cheap. But be prepared and have some Pepto handy.

[Edited 2013-02-01 13:37:41]


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1206 times:

Thank you all so far for the ideas and suggestions. I should have been clearer. I was referring to "Tex Mex" food. From what I understand if you can't get outstanding Tex Mex food in Texas for good and cheap then you must go to Mexico for it. The Taco Bus eateries in the Tampa, St. Pete area are some of the best Tex Mex I've had at least in recent memory. So, if great Tex Mex chow can be had in the Sunshine State then there should be many choices of outstanding eats in the Lone Star State!


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User currently onlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Quoting sccutler (Reply 5):
Also, you'll be glad to know that Mineral Wells is the autopilot capital of America, home to both Century Flight Systems and S-Tec/Cobham.

In the early 70's when I took my Private and Commercial written exam the exams always used Mineral Wells as the airport. I always wondered why.

I think Mexican food in Texas has lost some of it's quality over the years. I feel this way because the corporate chains have taken over and the food has become more "mass produced" than ever before. I would look for some local independent place. Ask someone of Mexican heritage where they like to eat!



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User currently offlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

I'm also huge fan of Manny's in Uptown and is usually a first-in last-out meal for me whenever I'm in Dallas, even if that means eating there two days apart. Not too far from DAL though is Rafa's, a wonderful hole in the wall that has been around for ages. The outside awning looks a bit faded, but it has a loyal clientele in an area with a lot of good restaurants. I think its telling that AFAIK there isn't another Mexican food restaurant on that block; even Mi Cocina(see below) has stayed away.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 16):
I feel this way because the corporate chains have taken over and the food has become more "mass produced" than ever before. I would look for some local independent place.

Great point, including some of the local places that have expanded.

A name that is bound to come up is Mi Cocina. It's local to Dallas but has expanded significantly over the years and I think has taken over El Fenix's luster a bit as Dallas' homegrown place. Mi Cocina is a safe bet and is all over the city, but I personally think its too bland and overpriced. If you want to say you had Tex-Mex, it counts, but you're really missing out. Also unless you only want a margarita, avoid Mariano's. Hotel people will probably throw that name out since the owner invented the frozen margarita machine, but the food is pretty weak.



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User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1025 times:

El Fenix is one of my favorites and the original location is in downtown Dallas so not very hard to get to if you are already in the area. It won't break the budget. Downtown Dallas has really improved throughout the years and there are more and more unique things there. Uptown area, just north of Woodall Rogers Freeway, is where you will find the trendy bars and upscale restaurants. Although pricey, the best steak I've had has been at Nick and Sam's Steakhouse in the uptown area. The futuristic looking Perot science museum just opened in the downtown area, if that interests you. If you have a car, downtown Fort Worth is a fun hopping atmosphere. Good wholesome food and bars. It's definitely seen as being the more spirited of the two city centers.

I will also add that you should visit the AA museum. Be aware it's located on the AA campus not technically at DFW airport proper. Definitely check out directions before going because it's a bit convoluted if you've never been there. I think you'll really enjoy it. And when you are finished there just drive to the north-west side of the airport and watch the airplanes at Founders Plaza. It's free and offers a pretty good view of the field at DFW. Also, since you are just right next to DAL checkout Frontiers of Flight museum and Bachman lake just outside of the northern airport perimeter for some low flying approaches. Just don't do it at night.

As far as unsafe areas, South Dallas and Oak Cliff are areas you will be best staying away from all together.

I hope you enjoy your visit.


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