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Donald Trump Sues Bill Maher For 5M$  
User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

So I've just come across this piece of news... apparently Donald Trump is now suing Bill Maher for five million dollars for a joke Maher told on the Tonight show with Jay Leno.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...8-11e2-8b8d-e0b59a1b8e2a_blog.html

What do you guys think? Does Trump actually have a shot at winning this? On what basis?

I must admit I'm a big fan of Bill Maher and have strongly dislike Trump - that being said I also think Maher's joke was reckless.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13511 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2734 times:
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Quoting AF1624 (Thread starter):
I must admit I'm a big fan of Bill Maher

Oh, you're the one?  



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Oh, you're the one?

I knew I'd be getting some flak for this...  



Cheers
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

The Donald is just getting weird. Next he'll probably shave his head and post a video on youtube tearfully apologizing for having sex with Ivana.


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User currently offlineRedd From Poland, joined Jan 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Oh, you're the one?  

Make that two  

Here is the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrrm3i2Lfo


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2692 times:
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Quoting AF1624 (Thread starter):
I must admit I'm a big fan of Bill Maher and have strongly dislike Trump - that being said I also think Maher's joke was reckless.

Reckless joke. Grounds for suit I think not. Show us the contract that he and Bill entered into that was legally force able. I don't see this getting past a hearing.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6278 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Jay Leno, Bill Mahar and Donald Trump. There are 3 people who deserve no attention.


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12339 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.
On the other hand, it's clearly not a legally enforcable thing.
It's like Romney's ten thousand dollar bet.
People make stupid bets all the time.
I'm no fan of The Donald but he's right to call him out.
However he's wrong to use up court resource on this dreck.



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2642 times:

Honestly though, not wanting to start a flame war, but comparing Donald Trump to an Orangutang is really offensive to the Orangutangs.

Bill's joke was terrible, but it was obviously in humour and not meant as a real promise - even if it was - it isn't contractual, so I believe suing won't get Trump anywhere.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21515 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 8):
Honestly though, not wanting to start a flame war, but comparing Donald Trump to an Orangutang is really offensive to the Orangutangs.

   For one thing, orangoutangs have better looking hair.

The suit's obviously frivolous - unless Maher signed anything it's not legally enforceable. The fact that we're going to have to waste time and public money on this is ridiculous.

-Mir



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 5):
Show us the contract that he and Bill entered into that was legally force able.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
it's clearly not a legally enforcable thing.
Quoting AF1624 (Reply 8):
it isn't contractual
Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
unless Maher signed anything it's not legally enforceable.

Depending on jurisdiction, oral contracts are absolutely enforceable. My knowledge of American law is rather rough, but in jurisdictions where verbal agreements are considered a contract, the only precondition is that there is witness and/or written document outlining the offer and acceptance. Since there is video proof of the offer, and online written proof of the acceptance, Donald Trump has a case.

I have to stress that this isn't the law everywhere, I believe it is a state-by-state issue. The only state where I know for sure that allows this form of contract is New York (there's some clear precedent), but Trump filed suit in California. If I have the time today I'll do a little more reading into the law in California to see if this can go anywhere. But those saying there's no chance of a successful suit because nothing was in writing are wrong.

Also, let's leave the orangutans out of this, they deserve better. 



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

LOL I thought the joke was hillarious. Trump is a douche and he finally had a chance to taste his own medicine.

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3416 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2540 times:
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Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 6):

Jay Leno, Bill Mahar and Donald Trump. There are 3 people who deserve no attention.

I agree about the third person but not the first two, they are funny and i need to relax with a joke or two at the end of the day

Quoting Redd (Reply 4):
Make that two  

Three



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9776 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2534 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.

Seriously? So anyone that makes a joke has to do whatever they might have said within the joke?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
Depending on jurisdiction, oral contracts are absolutely enforceable.

Yes. But Donald Trump clearly wasn't present on Leno. There wasn't a contract.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
and online written proof of the acceptance

What online written proof of acceptance?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7804 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Yeah I don't like Bill Maher, but it made me smile a bit. I don't think it's legal grounds for anything, not even the $5m to charity thing (an obvious joke.) First world rich man problems if I ever seen any


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12339 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
Seriously? So anyone that makes a joke has to do whatever they might have said within the joke?

He doesn't have to, but after watching the clip, I'd think he should.
I think it'd be just as funny a joke without the $5m promise.
He decided to put it out there, he should follow through.
Of course what I think isn't binding on anyone.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
Yes. But Donald Trump clearly wasn't present on Leno. There wasn't a contract.

Again, totally dependent on jurisdiction, but as far as I know you don't actually have to be in the same room for a contract to be formed.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
What online written proof of acceptance?

First he tweeted it (which might actually count in 2013), and then I believe he contact Maher's people directly to accept the offer.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
First world rich man problems if I ever seen any

Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't have these problems. I'd say it's just extreme-right psycho problems.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
He doesn't have to, but after watching the clip, I'd think he should.
I think it'd be just as funny a joke without the $5m promise.
He decided to put it out there, he should follow through.

I'm sure he's made a few bucks in his career, but I don't think he actually has $5 million to throw around. If the court found in favour of Trump, it might actually ruin Maher, based on an obvious joke (although not a not well thought out one).



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
For one thing, orangoutangs have better looking hair.

LOL! True enough there!

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
The suit's obviously frivolous - unless Maher signed anything it's not legally enforceable. The fact that we're going to have to waste time and public money on this is ridiculous.

1-Offer, 2-Acceptance, 3-Consideration

It *could* be construed as a contract, certainly. Whether a judge would do so, whether made in whimsy or otherwise, is quite another and, probably unlikely, interpretation. But context doesn't always matter on contractual law.

But I love Trump's brass here: he's laid down the gauntlet for charity, which means Maher looks like a douche if he doesn't at least do something and Trump wins a reprieve from Maher's unchecked mouth. To that latter point, Maher's said FAR worse and inflammatory--if not actionable--things. This may or may not be one of them but it'll be fun to watch unfold.


User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9776 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2458 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
I think it'd be just as funny a joke without the $5m promise.

I haven't watched the clip yet, but I'm guessing the $5M promise harkens back to Trump's promise to Obama regarding his birth certificate.

In which case, it wouldn't be the same without the $5M. And also, I would think it would constitute a parody, legally speaking.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
Of course what I think isn't binding on anyone.

True. I'm just rather surprised that you think he should follow through on an obvious joke. If we all did that, we'd all be broke and dead.



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2434 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):
I'm sure he's made a few bucks in his career, but I don't think he actually has $5 million to throw around. If the court found in favour of Trump, it might actually ruin Maher, based on an obvious joke (although not a not well thought out one).

I do believe he probably has $5 million, he gave $1mil to the Obama campaign, and he does hold at least a small ownership in the Mets, so I doubt it'll ruin him.



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Bill Maher's net worth is of 23 million dollars. So although the 5 million dollars won't ruin him, they do represent a substantial part of his fortune.

I'm afraid if be actually has to pay up, he will become a lot less outspoken and that's a shame because some outspoken common sense of the kind he is capable of is just too rare.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

A few tweets by Mr. Trump in the past ten minutes:

"The big and highly respected Cooley LLP is handling the @billmaher case for me."

"A top firm like Cooley will only submit a case they believe in and can win."

"My @foxandfriends interview re: @SuperBowl blackout, @BobbyJindal’s stupid comment & suing @billmaher f/$5M"


Quoting slider (Reply 17):
But context doesn't always matter on contractual law.

   Exactly. Contract law can be real fickle, and judges will typically rule to the letter of the law, even if it screws someone.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 19):
he gave $1mil to the Obama campaign, and he does hold at least a small ownership in the Mets
Quoting AF1624 (Reply 20):
Bill Maher's net worth is of 23 million dollars.

Ah, I didn't know any of that! Thanks for the info. So it appears he can afford it, but it would be a real shot to the gut.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6130 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.
Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
The suit's obviously frivolous - unless Maher signed anything it's not legally enforceable.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.
On the other hand, it's clearly not a legally enforcable thing.
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
Depending on jurisdiction, oral contracts are absolutely enforceable. My knowledge of American law is rather rough, but in jurisdictions where verbal agreements are considered a contract, the only precondition is that there is witness and/or written document outlining the offer and acceptance.

I find this very interesting. We don´t have oral contracts in Mexico. They don´t exist. I had to renegotiate a debt wtih a bank and they would call and offer all sorts of stuff but at the end of the day if it´s not signed in paper it does not hold. One time they got my customer to accept stuff and they said they would cancel part of the debt but they didn´t. When I complained to the relevant authorities they said "Nothing said over the phone is legally enforceable."

So I suppose that if a bet can be construed as a legal contract then it´s enforceable. However, I did watch that whole show, and it was clearly a joke. With that context in mind I suppose that no judge can find it is a contract.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18):
I haven't watched the clip yet, but I'm guessing the $5M promise harkens back to Trump's promise to Obama regarding his birth certificate.

I was lucky to watch that entire show. And yes, it all was related to Obama and Trump´s efforts to prove he was not born American. The whole time Maher participated was an entire joke. I´m not sure, as I said before, that with that context it can be construed as an oral contract.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

It was humor of the absurd and wold be a joke in court.

But I can see Maher pushing it to the point of a video deposition where Trump has to answer a lot of questions that he would prefer to pass on - especially about his "hair". Actually having to state under oath if he wore a rug or not would be priceless. As would having to hand the rug over to Maher's attorney for inspection.

Even if it cost $5 million there is a good chance that Maher could get his money's worth with that video.


User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 6):
Jay Leno, Bill Mahar and Donald Trump. There are 3 people who deserve no attention.

Jay Leno & David Letterman are definitely amongst the very few celebrities that get my attention!


25 DocLightning : I'm glad to know that our legal system is being used so that one blowhard can sue another blowhard. I don't care what the outcome is.
26 bohica : Isn't there a new season of The Celebrity Apprentice starting soon? Donald Trump usually does some foolish publicity stunt when a new Apprentice seaso
27 detroitflyer : Under common law, a contract cannot be made in jest. It is whether an objective reasonable person would think whether this was an offer. This brings m
28 Geezer : I must admit that I think Bill Maher is douche bag slime ball little Twit, and his pathetic looking face would make "The Donald's" hair look like som
29 ozglobal : Make that three.
30 blueflyer : Somewhere Donald Trump is smiling because we're talking about him...
31 CPH-R : I believe that Californian law relies on whether an reasonable person would construe the offer as being a serious one. There's a previous case on thi
32 Aaron747 : Seriously, this thing on Leno is child's play compared to stuff Maher has said in the past. People need to realize his schtick is no different than L
33 PlanesNTrains : He's apparently part of the 1%. Screw him. -Dave
34 AF1624 : Wow, a lot of anger in that Geezer. Why so angry? How long does it usually take in the US judicial system for these high profile yet stupid cases to
35 CPH-R : Having actually read the transcript as submitted by Trump's lawyers, there's absolutely no way it can be construed as an offer to pay $5 million in ex
36 ozglobal : Yes, very revealing.... He says some vulgar and unnecessarily inflammatory things, supports Israel regardless of their actions, but for the most part
37 jpetekyxmd80 : Yes, Bill Maher is awesome. Sure, he's a prick.. but hes my kind of prick. I like him even more now!
38 Post contains images Redd : I'm surprised that so many people have failed to catch this. Wow, you've just out done Bill Maher on Trump with that comment.
39 Aaron747 : Extreme right AND left. Maher takes potshots at left wing idiocy too, particularly with regard to blanket acceptance of all the changes US residents
40 ozglobal : Good point about PC acceptance of Islamic 'rights' and 'truthers', but some of those positions are more just plain 'nutjob' than identifiably left.
41 FlyDeltaJets : According to CA law, where Jay Leno show is taped, oral contracts cannot be entered into for sums exceeding $100,000.
42 Post contains images WestJet747 : I would pay to see that. Seriously. Shhh! He'll sue you for writing his name without permission! Ah yes, name-calling legitimizes every argument Appa
43 Aaron747 : Far left and right points of view are inherently nutjob if nothing else.
44 n229nw : Case will never stand up because Trumps "birth certificate" "proving" his father is not an orangutan is clearly a fake. Note that orangutans are indig
45 2707200X : As reckless as the joke may have been Donald Trump is a deeply delusional and paranoid man with a very thin skin, even worse than this, he has sued a
46 Post contains links StarAC17 : Bill Maher is a comedian with a political opinion he says outlandish things to get a laugh. Watch his New Rules segment and it makes what he said on
47 BN747 : Exactly, that clip clearly displays Trump's weakness in his inability to even remotely take a punch after launching so many. He exemplified the pictu
48 Post contains images StarAC17 : He's on tonight and I'm sure he will have heaps of material about this . Everytime he makes fun of people on the right such as Elisabeth Hasselback,
49 BN747 : Even since Politically Incorrect, I've never missed a show. I may be late catching up..but not one has escaped me. I've disagreed with him on several
50 Post contains images EA CO AS : Gee, I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die from total non-surprise.
51 DarkSnowyNight : I'll get your coat... No, I guess I meant that too. Double entendres are great considering how much I like to recycle anyway...
52 DeltaMD90 : He's damned well free to think what he wants of someone. Ok I still think he could have done more. Do you know what opinions are? You are not the onl
53 BN747 : Anger Management Classes available where you are? BN747
54 Post contains links Aaron747 : This was some of Maher's funniest work right here - his dry sarcasm contrasted with the fervor of religious zealots was just too funny not to repost h
55 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : That's anger? Saying Doc doesn't have to agree with you and saying that your style of argument is slimy = anger? I'm quite calm and not the angry per
56 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Wow, BN747's comments have given me a new respect for DocLightning. Whoda thunk? Or the incredible number of anti-Conservative Jews? I mean, these th
57 DarkSnowyNight : I certainly wouldn't call it "anger" per se, but overly personalized? You betcha... It's not always easy to leave out second person destined adjectiv
58 Post contains links CPH-R : For those (ie. me) who didn't catch it when it was aired, here's Bill Maher on the Aper Movement, as posted on Maher's facebook page: http://www.faceb
59 Post contains links Aaron747 : LMAO On his HBO show Friday, Maher responded to Trump in his final bit. My stomach hurts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d3Mtu2Q_jw
60 DeltaMD90 : I'm just tired of the bullying that can go on here. Some people can't have a civil debate, they lead them down twisted corridors and use faulty logic
61 einsteinboricua : Where were many when Trump called out Obama on his birth certificate and academic records? Oh...that was supposed to be a joke? Would Trump pay the $5
62 Post contains images WestJet747 : First off, you are giving Obama way too much credit. Sure, he's spoken out about his support for equal rights, but he really hasn't done anything. La
63 Post contains images StarAC17 : I'm getting the popcorn out for Trump's response . Here's hoping he doubles down with a defamation suit, making Bill Maher's job really easy for the
64 Post contains links WestJet747 : I hope you've got that popcorn ready, cause he didn't wait long to hit Twitter: "Dummy @BillMaher forgot to say that he made an absolute offer which
65 L-188 : Thats not hard for him to do. I grew out of watching Bill Maher when I was a junior in high school, back in 1990. He is a bomb thrower, and he surrou
66 WestJet747 : You should try watching the show sometime. Maher frequently has Republican members of Congress on his show, as well as right wing commentators such a
67 BN747 : ummmm... that credit was going to Bill Maher, what are talking about? Go into the audience of the View, stand up and say that... A.net would be less
68 PlanesNTrains : I caught a bit of the show last week when Tim Allen was on. He said something that definitely seemed to rub Joy Behar wrong (I think it hit too close
69 Post contains images Pellegrine : This reminds me of before the re-election in DC when I would see some professional gays walking down the gayborhood on P St. in DC with Romney/Ryan s
70 BN747 : That's exactly the faulty logic that's wide spread in America today... I don't know which is more halting, the part of the justifying 'bring conserva
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