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Donald Trump Sues Bill Maher For 5M$  
User currently onlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

So I've just come across this piece of news... apparently Donald Trump is now suing Bill Maher for five million dollars for a joke Maher told on the Tonight show with Jay Leno.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...8-11e2-8b8d-e0b59a1b8e2a_blog.html

What do you guys think? Does Trump actually have a shot at winning this? On what basis?

I must admit I'm a big fan of Bill Maher and have strongly dislike Trump - that being said I also think Maher's joke was reckless.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2738 times:
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Quoting AF1624 (Thread starter):
I must admit I'm a big fan of Bill Maher

Oh, you're the one?  



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User currently onlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2728 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Oh, you're the one?

I knew I'd be getting some flak for this...  



Cheers
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2705 times:

The Donald is just getting weird. Next he'll probably shave his head and post a video on youtube tearfully apologizing for having sex with Ivana.


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User currently offlineRedd From Poland, joined Jan 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Oh, you're the one?  

Make that two  

Here is the clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvrrm3i2Lfo


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1860 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2696 times:
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Quoting AF1624 (Thread starter):
I must admit I'm a big fan of Bill Maher and have strongly dislike Trump - that being said I also think Maher's joke was reckless.

Reckless joke. Grounds for suit I think not. Show us the contract that he and Bill entered into that was legally force able. I don't see this getting past a hearing.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6280 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2689 times:

Jay Leno, Bill Mahar and Donald Trump. There are 3 people who deserve no attention.


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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12356 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2657 times:

If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.
On the other hand, it's clearly not a legally enforcable thing.
It's like Romney's ten thousand dollar bet.
People make stupid bets all the time.
I'm no fan of The Donald but he's right to call him out.
However he's wrong to use up court resource on this dreck.



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User currently onlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

Honestly though, not wanting to start a flame war, but comparing Donald Trump to an Orangutang is really offensive to the Orangutangs.

Bill's joke was terrible, but it was obviously in humour and not meant as a real promise - even if it was - it isn't contractual, so I believe suing won't get Trump anywhere.



Cheers
User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 8):
Honestly though, not wanting to start a flame war, but comparing Donald Trump to an Orangutang is really offensive to the Orangutangs.

   For one thing, orangoutangs have better looking hair.

The suit's obviously frivolous - unless Maher signed anything it's not legally enforceable. The fact that we're going to have to waste time and public money on this is ridiculous.

-Mir



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 5):
Show us the contract that he and Bill entered into that was legally force able.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
it's clearly not a legally enforcable thing.
Quoting AF1624 (Reply 8):
it isn't contractual
Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
unless Maher signed anything it's not legally enforceable.

Depending on jurisdiction, oral contracts are absolutely enforceable. My knowledge of American law is rather rough, but in jurisdictions where verbal agreements are considered a contract, the only precondition is that there is witness and/or written document outlining the offer and acceptance. Since there is video proof of the offer, and online written proof of the acceptance, Donald Trump has a case.

I have to stress that this isn't the law everywhere, I believe it is a state-by-state issue. The only state where I know for sure that allows this form of contract is New York (there's some clear precedent), but Trump filed suit in California. If I have the time today I'll do a little more reading into the law in California to see if this can go anywhere. But those saying there's no chance of a successful suit because nothing was in writing are wrong.

Also, let's leave the orangutans out of this, they deserve better. 



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

LOL I thought the joke was hillarious. Trump is a douche and he finally had a chance to taste his own medicine.

User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3427 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2544 times:
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Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 6):

Jay Leno, Bill Mahar and Donald Trump. There are 3 people who deserve no attention.

I agree about the third person but not the first two, they are funny and i need to relax with a joke or two at the end of the day

Quoting Redd (Reply 4):
Make that two  

Three



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9799 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2538 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.

Seriously? So anyone that makes a joke has to do whatever they might have said within the joke?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
Depending on jurisdiction, oral contracts are absolutely enforceable.

Yes. But Donald Trump clearly wasn't present on Leno. There wasn't a contract.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
and online written proof of the acceptance

What online written proof of acceptance?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Yeah I don't like Bill Maher, but it made me smile a bit. I don't think it's legal grounds for anything, not even the $5m to charity thing (an obvious joke.) First world rich man problems if I ever seen any


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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12356 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
Seriously? So anyone that makes a joke has to do whatever they might have said within the joke?

He doesn't have to, but after watching the clip, I'd think he should.
I think it'd be just as funny a joke without the $5m promise.
He decided to put it out there, he should follow through.
Of course what I think isn't binding on anyone.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
Yes. But Donald Trump clearly wasn't present on Leno. There wasn't a contract.

Again, totally dependent on jurisdiction, but as far as I know you don't actually have to be in the same room for a contract to be formed.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
What online written proof of acceptance?

First he tweeted it (which might actually count in 2013), and then I believe he contact Maher's people directly to accept the offer.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
First world rich man problems if I ever seen any

Warren Buffet and Bill Gates don't have these problems. I'd say it's just extreme-right psycho problems.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
He doesn't have to, but after watching the clip, I'd think he should.
I think it'd be just as funny a joke without the $5m promise.
He decided to put it out there, he should follow through.

I'm sure he's made a few bucks in his career, but I don't think he actually has $5 million to throw around. If the court found in favour of Trump, it might actually ruin Maher, based on an obvious joke (although not a not well thought out one).



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
For one thing, orangoutangs have better looking hair.

LOL! True enough there!

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
The suit's obviously frivolous - unless Maher signed anything it's not legally enforceable. The fact that we're going to have to waste time and public money on this is ridiculous.

1-Offer, 2-Acceptance, 3-Consideration

It *could* be construed as a contract, certainly. Whether a judge would do so, whether made in whimsy or otherwise, is quite another and, probably unlikely, interpretation. But context doesn't always matter on contractual law.

But I love Trump's brass here: he's laid down the gauntlet for charity, which means Maher looks like a douche if he doesn't at least do something and Trump wins a reprieve from Maher's unchecked mouth. To that latter point, Maher's said FAR worse and inflammatory--if not actionable--things. This may or may not be one of them but it'll be fun to watch unfold.


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9799 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2462 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
I think it'd be just as funny a joke without the $5m promise.

I haven't watched the clip yet, but I'm guessing the $5M promise harkens back to Trump's promise to Obama regarding his birth certificate.

In which case, it wouldn't be the same without the $5M. And also, I would think it would constitute a parody, legally speaking.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 15):
Of course what I think isn't binding on anyone.

True. I'm just rather surprised that you think he should follow through on an obvious joke. If we all did that, we'd all be broke and dead.



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):
I'm sure he's made a few bucks in his career, but I don't think he actually has $5 million to throw around. If the court found in favour of Trump, it might actually ruin Maher, based on an obvious joke (although not a not well thought out one).

I do believe he probably has $5 million, he gave $1mil to the Obama campaign, and he does hold at least a small ownership in the Mets, so I doubt it'll ruin him.



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User currently onlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Bill Maher's net worth is of 23 million dollars. So although the 5 million dollars won't ruin him, they do represent a substantial part of his fortune.

I'm afraid if be actually has to pay up, he will become a lot less outspoken and that's a shame because some outspoken common sense of the kind he is capable of is just too rare.



Cheers
User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

A few tweets by Mr. Trump in the past ten minutes:

"The big and highly respected Cooley LLP is handling the @billmaher case for me."

"A top firm like Cooley will only submit a case they believe in and can win."

"My @foxandfriends interview re: @SuperBowl blackout, @BobbyJindal’s stupid comment & suing @billmaher f/$5M"


Quoting slider (Reply 17):
But context doesn't always matter on contractual law.

   Exactly. Contract law can be real fickle, and judges will typically rule to the letter of the law, even if it screws someone.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 19):
he gave $1mil to the Obama campaign, and he does hold at least a small ownership in the Mets
Quoting AF1624 (Reply 20):
Bill Maher's net worth is of 23 million dollars.

Ah, I didn't know any of that! Thanks for the info. So it appears he can afford it, but it would be a real shot to the gut.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2383 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.
Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
The suit's obviously frivolous - unless Maher signed anything it's not legally enforceable.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.
On the other hand, it's clearly not a legally enforcable thing.
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
Depending on jurisdiction, oral contracts are absolutely enforceable. My knowledge of American law is rather rough, but in jurisdictions where verbal agreements are considered a contract, the only precondition is that there is witness and/or written document outlining the offer and acceptance.

I find this very interesting. We don´t have oral contracts in Mexico. They don´t exist. I had to renegotiate a debt wtih a bank and they would call and offer all sorts of stuff but at the end of the day if it´s not signed in paper it does not hold. One time they got my customer to accept stuff and they said they would cancel part of the debt but they didn´t. When I complained to the relevant authorities they said "Nothing said over the phone is legally enforceable."

So I suppose that if a bet can be construed as a legal contract then it´s enforceable. However, I did watch that whole show, and it was clearly a joke. With that context in mind I suppose that no judge can find it is a contract.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18):
I haven't watched the clip yet, but I'm guessing the $5M promise harkens back to Trump's promise to Obama regarding his birth certificate.

I was lucky to watch that entire show. And yes, it all was related to Obama and Trump´s efforts to prove he was not born American. The whole time Maher participated was an entire joke. I´m not sure, as I said before, that with that context it can be construed as an oral contract.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2366 times:

It was humor of the absurd and wold be a joke in court.

But I can see Maher pushing it to the point of a video deposition where Trump has to answer a lot of questions that he would prefer to pass on - especially about his "hair". Actually having to state under oath if he wore a rug or not would be priceless. As would having to hand the rug over to Maher's attorney for inspection.

Even if it cost $5 million there is a good chance that Maher could get his money's worth with that video.


User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 6):
Jay Leno, Bill Mahar and Donald Trump. There are 3 people who deserve no attention.

Jay Leno & David Letterman are definitely amongst the very few celebrities that get my attention!


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19417 posts, RR: 58
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

I'm glad to know that our legal system is being used so that one blowhard can sue another blowhard.

I don't care what the outcome is.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Isn't there a new season of The Celebrity Apprentice starting soon? Donald Trump usually does some foolish publicity stunt when a new Apprentice season begins.

User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Under common law, a contract cannot be made in jest. It is whether an objective reasonable person would think whether this was an offer. This brings me back to my first case we learned in contracts. Specifically, somebody sued Pepsi because in an ad they said if they collected enough "points" they would win a harrier jet. Needless to say, the court threw it out.


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User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Thread starter):
I must admit I'm a big fan of Bill Maher and have strongly dislike Trump - that being said I also think Maher's joke was reckless.

I must admit that I think Bill Maher is douche bag slime ball little Twit, and his pathetic looking face would make "The Donald's" hair look like some model's from a shampoo commercial, by comparison.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
However he's wrong to use up court resource on this dreck.

I think it's about the best place there is to bring a lawsuit against someone.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
However he's wrong to use up court resource on this dreck.

We disagree about the court, but we agree about being a "dreck"; ( or a highly obnoxious puke )

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 20):
I'm afraid if be actually has to pay up, he will become a lot less outspoken and that's a shame because some outspoken common sense of the kind he is capable of is just too rare.

NOTHING will ever cause Bill Maher to quit running his slimy little mouth, unless of course some "Tango" manages to score a direct hit with an RPG.

Charley



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User currently offlineozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting Redd (Reply 4):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 1):
Oh, you're the one?  

Make that two  

Make that three.



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
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Somewhere Donald Trump is smiling because we're talking about him...


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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 17):
It *could* be construed as a contract, certainly. Whether a judge would do so, whether made in whimsy or otherwise, is quite another and, probably unlikely, interpretation. But context doesn't always matter on contractual law.

I believe that Californian law relies on whether an reasonable person would construe the offer as being a serious one. There's a previous case on this (Leonard v. Pepsico, Inc), where customers could obtain points by buying Pepsi products (or you could buy 10 points for $1), and where Pepsico had advertised a Harrier jump jet for sale for 7,000,000 points. Plaintiff wrote a check for $700,000 and demanded that Pepsico provide him with a Harrier.

A key part of the sentence, which found in Pepsico's favour, read:
"2.The court found that even if the advertisement had been an offer, no reasonable person could have believed that the company seriously intended to convey a jet worth roughly $23 million for $700,000, i.e., that it was mere puffery."

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 30):
Somewhere Donald Trump is smiling because we're talking about him...

This. Every time the Apprentice is about to start a new season, you have Donald Trump out there making up some outrageous headlines.


User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 17):
Maher's said FAR worse and inflammatory--if not actionable--things

Seriously, this thing on Leno is child's play compared to stuff Maher has said in the past. People need to realize his schtick is no different than Limbaugh or any of the others infotainment sector of the media (Maher and Ann Coulter are actually close friends by his own admission - probably to their mutual benefit). He says crazy stuff from time to time, makes good points from time to time, and does whatever necessary to maintain the persona that keeps the $$$ coming through.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 20):
l Maher's net worth is of 23 million dollars. So although the 5 million dollars won't ruin him, they do represent a substantial part of his fortune.

He's apparently part of the 1%. Screw him.

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User currently onlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
I must admit that I think Bill Maher is douche bag slime ball little Twit, and his pathetic looking face would make "The Donald's" hair look like some model's from a shampoo commercial, by comparison.
Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
NOTHING will ever cause Bill Maher to quit running his slimy little mouth, unless of course some "Tango" manages to score a direct hit with an RPG

Wow, a lot of anger in that Geezer. Why so angry?

How long does it usually take in the US judicial system for these high profile yet stupid cases to be resolved, anyway?



Cheers
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Having actually read the transcript as submitted by Trump's lawyers, there's absolutely no way it can be construed as an offer to pay $5 million in exchange for Trump's birth certificate:

Quote:
Jay Leno: *snip* Have you had him, you ever had him on your show?
Bill Maher: Of course not. *snip*
BM: I mean, I asked for years. And, they always lied and said: "Oh, I'll be there.: Andhe never showed up. *snip*
BM: Well, the monkey thing, that see, I think that's what got him so madis that we did a new rule one week that...supposed that perhaps Donald Trump had been the spawn of his mother having sex with an orangutan, because, well - I didn't just make this up - the color of his hair...and the color of an orange orangutan is the only two things in nature of the same color. *snip*
BM: I'm not saying it's true...
JL: Right.
BM: I hope it's not true.
JL: Right.
BM: But, unless he comes up with proof, I'm willing to...I'm willing to offer 5 million dollars to Donald Trump...
JL: Wow, wow, 5 million dollars!...
BM: if he will come...that he can donate to a charity of his choice.
JL: Charity of his choice.
BM: Hair Club for Men; The Institute for Incorrigible Douche-bag-ery. Whatever charity!
JL: We'll take a break. More with Bill right after this when we come back..

If anything, it could be argued that because Trump provided proof of his heritage, he locked himself out of the $5 million.

Eventually the case will be dismissed via an Anti-SLAPP motion, probably with some sanctions attached for filing such a frivolous lawsuit.


User currently offlineozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 35):
Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
I must admit that I think Bill Maher is douche bag slime ball little Twit, and his pathetic looking face would make "The Donald's" hair look like some model's from a shampoo commercial, by comparison.
Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
NOTHING will ever cause Bill Maher to quit running his slimy little mouth, unless of course some "Tango" manages to score a direct hit with an RPG

Wow, a lot of anger in that Geezer. Why so angry?

Yes, very revealing....

He says some vulgar and unnecessarily inflammatory things, supports Israel regardless of their actions, but for the most part, people I know in Europe, including most expat Americans, would agree with 80% of the actual concrete political positions he takes and critiques he makes of policy. That these positions, mostly traditional and centrist common sense, should cause many in the US brains to explode just shows how far the US has shifted to extreme right since Regan or Nixon.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Yes, Bill Maher is awesome. Sure, he's a prick.. but hes my kind of prick.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):

I must admit that I think Bill Maher is douche bag slime ball little Twit, and his pathetic looking face would make "The Donald's" hair look like some model's from a shampoo commercial, by comparison.

I like him even more now!



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User currently offlineRedd From Poland, joined Jan 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18):
I'm guessing the $5M promise harkens back to Trump's promise to Obama regarding his birth certificate.

  

I'm surprised that so many people have failed to catch this.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
I must admit that I think Bill Maher is douche bag slime ball little Twit, and his pathetic looking face would make "The Donald's" hair look like some model's from a shampoo commercial, by comparison.

Wow, you've just out done Bill Maher on Trump with that comment.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 40):
I like him even more now!

  


User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 38):
That these positions, mostly traditional and centrist common sense, should cause many in the US brains to explode just shows how far the US has shifted to extreme right since Regan or Nixon.

Extreme right AND left. Maher takes potshots at left wing idiocy too, particularly with regard to blanket acceptance of all the changes US residents from other cultures (i.e. Islamic) want to impose on American way of life and histrionic conspiracy theories - he has thrown 9/11 "truthers" out of his audience on numerous occasions.



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User currently offlineozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 42):
Quoting ozglobal (Reply 38):
That these positions, mostly traditional and centrist common sense, should cause many in the US brains to explode just shows how far the US has shifted to extreme right since Regan or Nixon.

Extreme right AND left. Maher takes potshots at left wing idiocy too, particularly with regard to blanket acceptance of all the changes US residents from other cultures (i.e. Islamic) want to impose on American way of life and histrionic conspiracy theories - he has thrown 9/11 "truthers" out of his audience on numerous occasions.

Good point about PC acceptance of Islamic 'rights' and 'truthers', but some of those positions are more just plain 'nutjob' than identifiably left.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1860 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2107 times:
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Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
Depending on jurisdiction, oral contracts are absolutely enforceable. My knowledge of American law is rather rough, but in jurisdictions where verbal agreements are considered a contract, the only precondition is that there is witness and/or written document outlining the offer and acceptance. Since there is video proof of the offer, and online written proof of the acceptance, Donald Trump has a case.

According to CA law, where Jay Leno show is taped, oral contracts cannot be entered into for sums exceeding $100,000.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
ut I can see Maher pushing it to the point of a video deposition where Trump has to answer a lot of questions that he would prefer to pass on - especially about his "hair".

I would pay to see that. Seriously.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 30):
Somewhere Donald Trump is smiling because we're talking about him...

Shhh! He'll sue you for writing his name without permission!

Quoting Geezer (Reply 28):
I must admit that I think Bill Maher is douche bag slime ball little Twit, and his pathetic looking face would make "The Donald's" hair look like some model's from a shampoo commercial, by comparison.

Ah yes, name-calling legitimizes every argument  
Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 39):
HA! What a dick head. Has he nothing better to do?

Apparently not. He's suing Mac Miller as well for using his name for one of his hit songs, "Donald Trump". The song lyrics are actually rather endearing to him, and not insulting in the slightest. The song is more about Miller's aspirations to be as wealthy as Trump. Of course Trump showed little interest until the song became a massive hit (75 million hits on Youtube) and Miller started making serious dough that Trump could try to get his opportunist hands on.

It's actually quite funny. Miller sent Trump a golden record as a gift for using his name. Only then did Trump go on his "I'm gonna sue you" tirade, and only referring to the young rapper as "little Mac Miller". Miller's response? "Let's be friends."  
Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Reply 44):
According to CA law, where Jay Leno show is taped, oral contracts cannot be entered into for sums exceeding $100,000.


Well there you go. Seems like an important detail that the law firm may have wanted to consider before filing an expensive suit.



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User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 43):
Good point about PC acceptance of Islamic 'rights' and 'truthers', but some of those positions are more just plain 'nutjob' than identifiably left.

Far left and right points of view are inherently nutjob if nothing else.



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User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1938 posts, RR: 32
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Case will never stand up because Trumps "birth certificate" "proving" his father is not an orangutan is clearly a fake. Note that orangutans are indigenous to INDONESIA where it seems Trump was actually born and we all know that that is where Trump went to a madrasa and became a closet fundamentalist Muslim. I'm contacting Orly Taitz to pursue this matter further.


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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8467 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

As reckless as the joke may have been Donald Trump is a deeply delusional and paranoid man with a very thin skin, even worse than this, he has sued a contestant Shannon Minnon "Miss Pennsylvania" for saying that the contest was fixed... by the guy who sent some of his pales to Hawaii to search for "Obama's birth certificate" of whom he said "it does not look good" and said the election "was a sham". If anything Donald Trump has proved himself to be a big schoolyard bully.


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 42):
Extreme right AND left. Maher takes potshots at left wing idiocy too, particularly with regard to blanket acceptance of all the changes US residents from other cultures (i.e. Islamic) want to impose on American way of life and histrionic conspiracy theories - he has thrown 9/11 "truthers" out of his audience on numerous occasions.

Bill Maher is a comedian with a political opinion he says outlandish things to get a laugh. Watch his New Rules segment and it makes what he said on Leno child's play.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 48):
As reckless as the joke may have been Donald Trump is a deeply delusional and paranoid man with a very thin skin,

I have never seen such a thin skinned public figure and it very funny. If you saw the White House correspondent's dinner in 2011 Trump did not find Obama making fun of him funny at all.

Here is the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eJpWOY3r18

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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 47, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 49):
I have never seen such a thin skinned public figure and it very funny. If you saw the White House correspondent's dinner in 2011 Trump did not find Obama making fun of him funny at all.

Here is the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eJpWOY3r18

One thing I have learned about life and I'm only in my 20's is that if you dish it out you better be able to take it.

Exactly, that clip clearly displays Trump's weakness in his inability to even remotely take a punch after launching so many. He exemplified the picture-perfect poster boy for the worse kind of Sour Grapes in that single moment... I can't recall anyone being 'set up' so perfectly to receive what they had coming ...and receive it in the worst moment and be so ill-prepared.

He could have at least faked taking a ribbing. Is it possible that Maher is setting him up now for an even bigger moment of embarrassment? ..if so, all indicators are he hasn't the slightest clue on what he's walking into and we know he certainly won't be able to handle it well.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):
I'm glad to know that our legal system is being used so that one blowhard can sue another blowhard.

I'm surprised that such ardent supporter of Gay Rights Equality would sell out Maher (a very strong and vocal Gay Rights advocate) so easily like this.. wow.


From a huge Maher fan - his razor sharp humor-laced intellect drives the hard right completely nuts..as evidenced by several here - which accurately mirrors non-A.net conservatives equally.

BN747



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 48, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 50):
He could have at least faked taking a ribbing. Is it possible that Maher is setting him up now for an even bigger moment of embarrassment? ..if so, all indicators are he hasn't the slightest clue on what he's walking into and we know he certainly won't be able to handle it well.

He's on tonight and I'm sure he will have heaps of material about this .

Quoting BN747 (Reply 50):
From a huge Maher fan - his razor sharp humor-laced intellect drives the hard right completely nuts..as evidenced by several here - which accurately mirrors non-A.net conservatives equally.

   Everytime he makes fun of people on the right such as Elisabeth Hasselback, Sarah Palin etc. or religion they all call for his firing which I find very amusing.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 49, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 51):

He's on tonight and I'm sure he will have heaps of material about this

Even since Politically Incorrect, I've never missed a show. I may be late catching up..but not one has escaped me.

I've disagreed with him on several occasions but it's usually due to his limited grasp on things such as the military or a business owner, but we all have areas we're a bit light.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 51):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 50):
From a huge Maher fan - his razor sharp humor-laced intellect drives the hard right completely nuts..as evidenced by several here - which accurately mirrors non-A.net conservatives equally.

Everytime he makes fun of people on the right such as Elisabeth Hasselback, Sarah Palin etc. or religion they all call for his firing which I find very amusing.

It's not so much his making fun of them - that's what Rush, Beck and a child would do, he actually uses their own words & actions against common sense and logic. He calls them out on their own positions were very few journalist or interviewers ever would. He even invites them on the show (and without fail - if they show up) make complete fools of themselves as Ann Coulter & Christine O'Donnell did recently. He deserves enormous credit for constantly bring conservatives (who have guts like Issa & Jack Kingston) on his show and doesn't suck up to them. He even lets them skate on a few points of contention and they go unchallenged.

But it is the intellect that makes the divide, he's very well educated and makes himself extremly informed and well prepared comedian (like Carlin)..and that makes the difference. And it cost him people he was once friends with such as Dennis Miller, Victoria Jackson, Coulter, etc... very rare to find someone who's not some fake, phony & wanton kiss ass.

BN747



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 50, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1708 times:
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Quoting BN747 (Reply 50):
a huge Maher fan

Gee, I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die from total non-surprise.  



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User currently onlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1347 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 59):
Yes, but I do a different kind of blow...

...never mind. Imma shut up now.  

I'll get your coat...


No, I guess I meant that too. Double entendres are great considering how much I like to recycle anyway...



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 52, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 60):
...right, that's kind of appreciation which equals the worth of shoes without soles...

He's damned well free to think what he wants of someone.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 60):
Jeez, why pile on doing more from cerebral palsy and the kitchen sink while you're at it..the guy's had more on his desk than any president in recent memory..

Ok I still think he could have done more. Do you know what opinions are? You are not the only one with them

Quoting BN747 (Reply 60):
Plus, womens rights isn't always the top priority for women
Plus, Minority rights isn't always the top priority for Minority people

And?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 60):
What president actually ever did that in history? Just askin..'

Ask that to gay people that are fiscally conservative, they are out there you know. Of course it's all opinions, I can throw names out there only for you to tear them down, not realizing that other people have opinions that are different from yours. You operate in twisted logic, fallacies, and the premise that your opinion is the gold standard



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 53, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 62):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 60):
...right, that's kind of appreciation which equals the worth of shoes without soles...

He's damned well free to think what he wants of someone
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 62):
You operate in twisted logic, fallacies, and the premise that your opinion is the gold standard

Anger Management Classes available where you are?

BN747



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User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 54, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

This was some of Maher's funniest work right here - his dry sarcasm contrasted with the fervor of religious zealots was just too funny not to repost

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gtqGmv4di8



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 55, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 63):
Anger Management Classes available where you are?

That's anger? Saying Doc doesn't have to agree with you and saying that your style of argument is slimy = anger? I'm quite calm and not the angry person, thank you  



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 56, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 50):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 25):I'm glad to know that our legal system is being used so that one blowhard can sue another blowhard.
I'm surprised that such ardent supporter of Gay Rights Equality would sell out Maher (a very strong and vocal Gay Rights advocate) so easily like this.. wow.

Wow, BN747's comments have given me a new respect for DocLightning. Whoda thunk?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 57):
Which brings me to really wonder about the incredible number of anti-Obama gays I've seen.

Or the incredible number of anti-Conservative Jews? I mean, these things don't always make sense. As DeltaMD90 said, sometimes there are things more important to them than what YOU might think. There are gay conservatives you know. And gay Christians. ..... I know, shocking....  
Quoting BN747 (Reply 57):
When you cannot give the most meager support to one (or those) who use whatever standing or position they have to advance a cause you strongly believe in or a cause that directly affects your life..the question 'are you even worth it' needs to be called into play.

Wow...

-Dave



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User currently onlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1347 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 65):
That's anger? Saying Doc doesn't have to agree with you and saying that your style of argument is slimy = anger? I'm quite calm and not the angry person, thank you  

I certainly wouldn't call it "anger" per se, but overly personalized? You betcha...

It's not always easy to leave out second person destined adjectives when debating someone, but once that road is traveled, it's pretty hard to convince someone there isn't some nature of personal feeling involved.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 64):
This was some of Maher's funniest work right here - his dry sarcasm contrasted with the fervor of religious zealots was just too funny not to repost

I'd say so too. He's definitely an opinionated guy, and I do not always agree with him, but he knows how to pick his points and research them well enough that the logic application is insightful, yes.



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 58, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

For those (ie. me) who didn't catch it when it was aired, here's Bill Maher on the Aper Movement, as posted on Maher's facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=530406436979588

User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 59, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

LMAO

On his HBO show Friday, Maher responded to Trump in his final bit. My stomach hurts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d3Mtu2Q_jw



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 60, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 62):

I'm just tired of the bullying that can go on here. Some people can't have a civil debate, they lead them down twisted corridors and use faulty logic (or just resort to personal attacks) and some are better than others. Some just have a hard time believing that someone else can have a different opinion as their "factual" opinions.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3001 posts, RR: 8
Reply 61, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Where were many when Trump called out Obama on his birth certificate and academic records? Oh...that was supposed to be a joke?

Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):
If Maher said he'd pay the $5m to charity he should.

Would Trump pay the $5M in charity after Obama released his academic records? Something tells me he wouldn't because he'd never be convinced and admit he was wrong. Obama released his short form certificate, he asked for a long form. Obama released the long form, Trump asked for academic records. The guy will never lose.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
Yes. But Donald Trump clearly wasn't present on Leno. There wasn't a contract.

Again, totally dependent on jurisdiction, but as far as I know you don't actually have to be in the same room for a contract to be formed.

I spoke out loud that I'd pay you $1M. You're thousands of miles away from me...is that a legally binding contract? (I hope not...)



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 62, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 53):
When you cannot give the most meager support to one (or those) who use whatever standing or position they have to advance a cause you strongly believe in or a cause that directly affects your life..the question 'are you even worth it' needs to be called into play.

First off, you are giving Obama way too much credit. Sure, he's spoken out about his support for equal rights, but he really hasn't done anything. Last time I checked, in the US there are still only a handful of states where gays/lesbians can be legally married.

Second, the logic you're using is dangerous. You're suggesting that because a political figure has a common goal with you, that you should support them. But what if it ends there? What if this political figure also has a pocketbook of policies he wishes to implement that are no good for the country? Will you still support him based on one issue when he believes in several others that will ultimately leave the country worse off (or at least not any better)?

Quoting BN747 (Reply 55):
Hmmmm lt me try that with a slight alteration...
Plus, womens rights isn't always the top priority for women
Plus, Minority rights isn't always the top priority for Minority people

...I think you need to field test that theory on a few 'oppressed' subjects...

Women aren't oppressed subject in North America. And no, most women I know don't concern themselves with women's rights because they do very well for themselves on their own accord.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 64):
On his HBO show Friday, Maher responded to Trump in his final bit. My stomach hurts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d3Mt...2Q_jw

   This is hilarious! I don't often watch Bill Maher because I don't have HBO, but this is gold! Honestly, I don't think Maher could have put my sentiment of Donald Trump into better words than he did here.

Also, I can't imagine what was going though Trump's lawyer's head while he was typing up that letter...

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 66):
I spoke out loud that I'd pay you $1M. You're thousands of miles away from me...is that a legally binding contract? (I hope not...)


It could be, but you're over-simplifying how an oral contract can be constituted.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 63, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 67):
Also, I can't imagine what was going though Trump's lawyer's head while he was typing up that letter...

I'm getting the popcorn out for Trump's response .

Here's hoping he doubles down with a defamation suit, making Bill Maher's job really easy for the next few weeks.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 64, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 68):
I'm getting the popcorn out for Trump's response

I hope you've got that popcorn ready, cause he didn't wait long to hit Twitter:

"Dummy @BillMaher forgot to say that he made an absolute offer which I accepted. Hopefully, charity gets $5M dollars."

"How does @HBO employ @BillMaher with a pathetic show that he does---- what kind of "a special" is that? Complete garbage!"

".@BillMaher's so called show on HBO must be the cheapest "special" produced in the history of television--- it sucks!"



Source: Trump's personal Twitter account



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 65, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 17):
which means Maher looks like a douche

Thats not hard for him to do. I grew out of watching Bill Maher when I was a junior in high school, back in 1990.

Quoting slider (Reply 17):
To that latter point, Maher's said FAR worse and inflammatory--if not actionable--things

He is a bomb thrower, and he surrounds himself with guests that are basicly yes men to his opinions.

Quoting detroitflyer (Reply 27):
Under common law, a contract cannot be made in jest. It is whether an objective reasonable person would think whether this was an offer. This brings me back to my first case we learned in contracts.

Agreed. The question for me was there addional contact between Trump's people and Maher's people after the fact. If Trump called and asked if they where serious and they said yes, I would hope that trump would win.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 31):


I believe that Californian law relies on whether an reasonable person would construe the offer as being a serious one. There's a previous case on this (Leonard v. Pepsico, Inc), where customers could obtain points by buying Pepsi products (or you could buy 10 points for $1), and where Pepsico had advertised a Harrier jump jet for sale for 7,000,000 points. Plaintiff wrote a check for $700,000 and demanded that Pepsico provide him with a Harrier.

A key part of the sentence, which found in Pepsico's favour, read:
"2.The court found that even if the advertisement had been an offer, no reasonable person could have believed that the company seriously intended to convey a jet worth roughly $23 million for $700,000, i.e., that it was mere puffery."

Agreed if you think that two celebrities makeing a 5 mil wager between themeselves would be unreasonable. With the multimillion dollar values of them, their known dislike I would say it may not be so cut and dry.......especially if there was conversation about it after the show aired.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 66, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 70):
he surrounds himself with guests that are basicly yes men to his opinions.

You should try watching the show sometime. Maher frequently has Republican members of Congress on his show, as well as right wing commentators such as Ann Coulter and the late Andrew Breitbart.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 70):
if you think that two celebrities makeing a 5 mil wager between themeselves would be unreasonable.

If the judge rules that Trump's lawsuit is unreasonable, I can almost guarantee that it will be on the qualitative grounds (jest) rather than the quantitative (size of wager).


Quoting L-188 (Reply 70):
The question for me was there addional contact between Trump's people and Maher's people after the fact.

I'm going to say there isn't, because Trump himself has suggested that the contract was formed when Maher made the offer on Leno.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 67, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 67):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 53):
When you cannot give the most meager support to one (or those) who use whatever standing or position they have to advance a cause you strongly believe in or a cause that directly affects your life..the question 'are you even worth it' needs to be called into play.

First off, you are giving Obama way too much credit.

ummmm... that credit was going to Bill Maher, what are talking about?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 67):
Women aren't oppressed subject in North America. And no, most women I know don't concern themselves with women's rights because they do very well for themselves on their own accord.

Go into the audience of the View, stand up and say that... A.net would be less one member.

BN747



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5456 posts, RR: 29
Reply 68, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1355 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 72):
Go into the audience of the View, stand up and say that... A.net would be less one member.

I caught a bit of the show last week when Tim Allen was on. He said something that definitely seemed to rub Joy Behar wrong (I think it hit too close to home) and she was almost speechless. I enjoyed it very much because most of the time my daughter will come home between classes and watch a bit of it and I just about can't take it. Whoopi Goldberg used to be funny to me - in the 90's. Now she just seems gross, and the show in general is just hard for me personally to enjoy.

Maybe they should have Bill and Donald on?

-Dave



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2367 posts, RR: 8
Reply 69, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 53):

Which brings me to really wonder about the incredible number of anti-Obama gays I've seen.

This reminds me of before the re-election in DC when I would see some professional gays walking down the gayborhood on P St. in DC with Romney/Ryan signs. Not that many, but I saw it at least twice...I was a bit confused. I asked one group. They were like, "because we're conservatives and he's (Ryan) hawt."                You care about a man's looks before you care about your rights...ok, you care more about fiscal policy and the bastion of conservatism than you care about your inalienable human rights...ok...



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 70, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 69):
This reminds me of before the re-election in DC when I would see some professional gays walking down the gayborhood on P St. in DC with Romney/Ryan signs. Not that many, but I saw it at least twice...I was a bit confused. I asked one group. They were like, "because we're conservatives and he's (Ryan) hawt." You care about a man's looks before you care about your rights...ok, you care more about fiscal policy and the bastion of conservatism than you care about your inalienable human rights...ok...

That's exactly the faulty logic that's wide spread in America today... I don't know which is more halting, the part of the justifying 'bring conservative' when Romney (who is the nicest of the bunch vs those hiding in the shadows behind him 'church elders and the Professional Gay Haters) or the "he's hot' which lines up with the 'voting for him becuz he's black, or because she's a woman'.. but it is indeed a reality.

BN747



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