MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1245 times:
I would not take this too seriously. I doubt the Kims would ever want to attack any major city in the U.S. unless they want to get bombed into oblivion.
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North Korea released a bizarre YouTube video over the weekend depicting a missile attack on a city that closely resembles New York City — all part of what's assumed to be a public relations stunt to gear up for yet another nuclear test.
The video was posted just a day after North Korea threatened to retaliate against the U.S. for backing a resolution to censure and sanction the country for a rocket launch in December that breached the United Nations' rules.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1230 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1204 times:
Yeah. Like a spoiled child, they do this sort of stuff every time they want attention. China must enjoy it otherwise they would clean-up that part of their back yard and put a stop to it.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
pvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 543 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1195 times:
I recommend also this video for anybody who wants to see some totally ridiculous propaganda with perfectly fitting music, provided you by the superior dear and now very dead leader Kim Jong Il of course.
fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1191 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter): I doubt the Kims would ever want to attack any major city in the U.S. unless they want to get bombed into oblivion.
falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Reply 4, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1179 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter): I doubt the Kims would ever want to attack any major city in the U.S. unless they want to get bombed into oblivion.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3): That assumes rationality on their part.
I wonder what would happen if they ever did send a nuke to a US city. What would the USA do? I wonder if we would actually send one back.
fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
Quoting falstaff (Reply 4): I wonder what would happen if they ever did send a nuke to a US city. What would the USA do? I wonder if we would actually send one back.
That's a good question. Stated US policy has always been tit-for-tat when it comes to WMD's, but would the president, any president, order a retaliatory strike against a North Korea whose leadership is clearly deranged (as evidenced by a nuclear strike against the US) and population that barely knows anything other than what the government lets them know.
A systematic take down of their nuclear infra-structure and then their military infra-structure concurrent with "regime change" may be the better route. Of course, there is China to consider.
You know what? The better question might be: what would China do if Kim Jong-Un and his merry men managed to bomb a US city?
pvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 543 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1146 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3): That assumes rationality on their part.
I can't really see any reason why anybody in NK leadership would ever attack the US or any other country, not even South Korea.
As long as they keep doing their empty threats and keep their people brainwashed & misinformed enough they have absolutely no need to do anything. They can just live like millionaires as practically pretty much all the money produced by that whole country is available for their use.
francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3196 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1105 times:
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 1): China must enjoy it otherwise they would clean-up that part of their back yard and put a stop to it.
I'm sure they don't but they have other things on their plate.
And the last thing they need is to have millions of North Koreans flee to China and settle there.
They know perfectly well that they're harmless (other that to their own people, that is), and that they won't bite the one hand that feeds. This is why China always has the more circumspect attitude towards NK.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6): The better question might be: what would China do if Kim Jong-Un and his merry men managed to bomb a US city?
They would eliminate the Pyongyang leadership and replace it with something else.
China is a heavyweight now, but it still depends heavily on Western economies being its customers.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4847 posts, RR: 27 Reply 14, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 998 times:
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 1): Yeah. Like a spoiled child, they do this sort of stuff every time they want attention. China must enjoy it otherwise they would clean-up that part of their back yard and put a stop to it.
China is currently pretty pissed at them. The reason they don´t put a stop to it is mainly because they are not interested in having to feed the millions, literally, millions of North Korean refugees they would suddenly be responsible for. They are also worried, although less so, about Seoul being destroyed.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3): That assumes rationality on their part.
Which is non-existent, really. And that´s mainly what worries many.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6): You know what? The better question might be: what would China do if Kim Jong-Un and his merry men managed to bomb a US city?
Before they do that, they would bomb Seoul. If your scenario does occurr, it would be such an unprecedented situation, that it´s hard to predict what the US would do.
I´m not that convinced they are beyond launching a surprise attack on South Korea.
Quoting Mir (Reply 8): China doesn't like what NK is doing, but they also don't want to clean up that part of their back yard, which is why this is allowed to continue.
And they have a valid reason. They haven´t figured out what to do with the millions of refugees that would suddenly flood into China´s territory. They are also afraid any type of crisis woluld make NORth Korea launch major attacks into South Korea.
Quoting francoflier (Reply 9): And the last thing they need is to have millions of North Koreans flee to China and settle there.
radarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 996 times:
The NYC under attack CGI comes from the game Call of Duty 3, no wonder it looked better than the rest of the CGI lol. http://youtu.be/6-xc7h6VaP0?t=2m16s
falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Reply 16, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 968 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6): The better question might be: what would China do if Kim Jong-Un and his merry men managed to bomb a US city?
I bet China would do something to the DPRK and it wouldn't be good. There may be tensions between the US and China sometimes, but the Chinese sure do make a lot of money off of the USA and I doubt they would want to risk that.
What would happen if they bombed China? I doubt they are that dumb, but you never know. I am sure China would rush in and claim the DPRK.
CaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 919 times:
Quoting falstaff (Reply 16): What would happen if they bombed China? I doubt they are that dumb, but you never know. I am sure China would rush in and claim the DPRK.
Why would they do that? What beef do they have against the only nation who is propping them up. If China cut them off, they would be finished in a month...
Quoting AR385 (Reply 14): I´m not that convinced they are beyond launching a surprise attack on South Korea.
Recently they have been trying to focus their ire on the US, so hopefully they dont launch a surprise attack on SK. That would be suicide and they know it...
falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5673 posts, RR: 29 Reply 18, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 865 times:
Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 17): hopefully they dont launch a surprise attack on SK. That would be suicide and they know it...
What would they have to gain by getting control of SK? people fight wars over land, religion and natural resources. Two of the three would something NK would want. NK could occupy SK for a while, but it wouldn't last. All those free people suddenly being subjected to NK rule. I would think the resistance movement would be VERY strong. With all the NK troops busy securing SK it would leave the north open for to run to China.
NK would have to murder the entire SK population if it were to take over because it couldn't have those people and all they know filtering into the NK population. It would be like Nazi Germany all over again. NK would probably have to eliminate a lot of the soldiers who would be occupying SK because they would see how much better the people there have it and wouldn't want those stories to go back home.
Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 17): Why would they do that? What beef do they have against the only nation who is propping them up
Who knows? I was just thinking. You can't trust the DPRK and nothing could surprise me with them.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 19, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 865 times:
Interesting choice of background music, an instrumental version of "We Are The World" by USA For Africa......
To say that the leadership in North Korean is delusional would be a huge understatement. They live in the lap of luxury while their citizens are resorting to cannibalism in order to survive. The over the top boasts their media mouthpiece makes are beyond the realm of reality and appear to have given classes to the media outlets in places like Iran.....
CaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 850 times:
Quoting falstaff (Reply 18):
What would they have to gain by getting control of SK? people fight wars over land, religion and natural resources. Two of the three would something NK would want. NK could occupy SK for a while, but it wouldn't last. All those free people suddenly being subjected to NK rule. I would think the resistance movement would be VERY strong. With all the NK troops busy securing SK it would leave the north open for to run to China.
NK would have to murder the entire SK population if it were to take over because it couldn't have those people and all they know filtering into the NK population. It would be like Nazi Germany all over again. NK would probably have to eliminate a lot of the soldiers who would be occupying SK because they would see how much better the people there have it and wouldn't want those stories to go back home.
I think the US would immediately target an ICBM on NK and finish it, if they thought about crossing the border. I dont think NK will do it. I think they will settled for the odd skirmish here and there. NK knows they would be finished the minute they cross over.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 21, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 748 times:
As others have said, I think this is just a desperate ploy to get attention... they really are like the loud spoiled kid in the room people ignore. Sad
Quokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 732 times:
Is the film genuine? If so, why would it be uploaded in the first place? At whom is it aimed?
I ask because if North Korea wanted to make a point to either the Chinese (who might be listening), to the US (who might not be) or to the UN (who hear different things depending on who buys the headsets) would youtube be the best way to do it? I mean, it's not as if Kerry will now say, "Gee, I guess we better talk to the young fellow."
Is the film aimed at the people of North Korea? As the Government controls television and radio and Internet access is strictly limited, would ordinary North Koreans get to see it? Propaganda is only useful to the extent that it reaches the people it is aimed at.
As to China "enjoying it", I doubt it but it doesn't threaten China in any way. China might simply be happy to have a buffer state between it and a country that it may see as a US puppet. We continue to see claims and counter claims over Taiwan, and there is concern expressed over a perceived Chinese naval threat. In comparison with what is happening in some of China's western provinces, from the perspective of Beijing, the Korean peninsula is a haven of stability.
The US response? If the US was prepared to invade Afghanistan in response to 9/11, and was prepared to invade Iraq in pursuit of WMDs that weren't there, I doubt the US would sit idly by. How big a fleet is in the region at any time?
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 21): As others have said, I think this is just a desperate ploy to get attention
Honestly, there is nothing in the video that should baffle us. The NK propaganda publishes hate speech and bellicose propaganda directed against South Korea and - first and foremost - the U.S. all the time. Only that it is most often in written form - and in Korean. There are similar movies, even textbooks that advocate attacks on America. Perhaps it is the recent rocket launch and the probably imminent 3rd nuclear test that makes people in the west more alert than usual.
bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 694 times:
If the quality of their missiles are as bad as the quality of their video, we have nothing to worry about. The world is safe.
25 NoUFO: Touble is,NK has so far proliferated basically every kind of weapon the country has in stock.
26 rwsea: Oh, NK wants attention again. How cute. Unfortunately, they've learned by now that if they want any sort of attention/legitimacy/communications from t
27 BO__einG: Agree with many peoples observations on this matter. Definitely China is pissed and I'm glad they are. Something must be done but I bet it will be jus
28 EA CO AS: What "message" would the DPRK hope to convey with images of a nuclear attack on the United States set to "We Are The World"?
29 ImperialEagle: Time for the U.S. to cut off the "allowance" to the spoiled child. None of the money is going to the "people" anyway.
30 DeltaMD90: lol, I'm all against the embargo, but I wouldn't describe Cuba as a paradise... (no I haven't been there, and I believe you have, but I know many peo
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