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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Any Sim City fans here? I was a HUGE fan of Sim City 2000 back in the day and played a little of SC4, but left it all kind of fizzle away due to life, job, family, etc. I’m not a big gamer to begin with, but this new one has me intrigued. The newest Simcity game comes out March 5.

First, it’s just called Simcity this time (not Sim City 5 or SimCity 2013) but is commonly referred to as such. Anyhow, this latest installment is a pretty big departure from the loved SC4.

I’ve been getting the skinny on this game and am very intrigued. EA Games bought Maxis, the developer, outright and there are a lot of controversial facets to this game. They’ve worked on a new engine, Glassbox, that has the ability to simulate thousands of ‘agents’ (people, water, electricity, trade elements, etc) so for the first time, they’ve really gotten into a micro-state where you can manage on a smaller, tighter scale. And the individual city size is MUCH smaller, uncomfortably so for some. 2x2 grid, about the same size as a medium city in SC4.

Conversely, they’ve started a “regional” concept whereby there are multiple cities in a region and they can share trade, power, water, resources, sims, and collaborate on ‘great works’ such as a huge international airport. The developers wanted a game that would reflect more of the inter-dependence and inter-connectedness of actual cities and towns. Some people are going to hate that.

And that’s the rub: the biggest problem with this game based on feedback from the real hard core gamers and SC fans, is that it’s always-on DRM (digital rights management). In short, the game is saved on their servers, and you have to have a fulltime internet connection to play the game. As a purist, I want to build my damn city MY way by myself, so do many others who’ve built this franchise into almost an obsession. It’s disappointing to see this, especially under the false pretenses of trying to stop piracy. And because of that, they’re sure to release ‘enhancements’ that will all be DLC (downloadable content); this is pandora’s box in terms of what they could later release for added costs: larger maps, buildings, subways, you name it…

Anyhow, on the topic of gameplay, it’s MUCH simpler to use. Instead of having to lay water pipes and power lines, the roadways are the conduit for all such resources and will follow the roads, hence all buildings have to be adjacent to a roadway. Visually, the game is stunning. The videos on YouTube and the Beta testing videos that were permitted to be released really offer SO much promise to doing what you will. Instead of zoning for density, your roads handle that and the sims will build bigger houses, taller office buildings, bigger factories, etc on existing sites in lieu of having to start from scratch. Same thing with police, fire and hospitals: you can build modular adds to an existing police station (adding a helicopter, for instance to increase range) rather than having to add an entirely new police station.

I’m leaning toward buying it perhaps, but waiting a bit for any bugs or startup issues to get resolved. I wish they had a full offline sandbox version that didn’t require always-on internet that I could save a map down to my machine instead of keeping everything on an EA server (that won’t be maintained ultimately over time)….the brilliance of SC4 is that it’s evergreen and people are still playing it hardcore ten years in. I don’t know if the same will be said for this.

But I’m willing to give it a shot.

Anyone else a Sim fan?

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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10357 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Quoting slider (Thread starter):
Anyone else a Sim fan?

Back in the day, yes. SimCity and SimCity 2000. Never played any versions past 2000, since I mostly stopped playing computer games in high school or thereabouts.



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

I played the first two also, but I found it too restrictive, I'm more into managing an empire (my first computer game being Civilization), and nowadays that's a galactic empire (X3:Reunion). I'll look into youtube videos of the game, though.

Also like the OP I prefer offline games that I can play on my schedule and even after most people have stopped playing it/the developer doesn't support it/servers are shut down.



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User currently offlinenorthstardc4m From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
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Very heavy SC4 player. Not going to be buying the new one at least when it comes out. With mods SC4 will still have far far FAR more options than the new SC, and I HATE the transport/transit options in the new SC.


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2484 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Yes, I'm a fan. I loved SimCity 2000 but in the beginning, I was too young to understand how to make the city profitable. I learned this over time and I've been playing SC4 as well. This new game coming out looks really interesting, but I will need a new computer unless it comes out for PS3 as well.

User currently offlineIFlyTWA From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

I spent many hours playing Sim City on SNES. I doubt I'll be trying the new version.


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User currently offlinehoMsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

I miss SimCopter. That was an awesome add-on to SimCity 2000. It even had a great set of radio stations for the soundtrack. I only wish they'd made updated versions of it for the newer SimCity games. The "rush hour" expansion pack for SimCity 4 was a disappointment, and even though you could fly a helicopter, it was difficult to control and wasn't anywhere close to the same experience that SimCopter gave you.


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting slider (Thread starter):
And that’s the rub: the biggest problem with this game based on feedback from the real hard core gamers and SC fans, is that it’s always-on DRM (digital rights management). In short, the game is saved on their servers, and you have to have a fulltime internet connection to play the game. As a purist, I want to build my damn city MY way by myself, so do many others who’ve built this franchise into almost an obsession. It’s disappointing to see this, especially under the false pretenses of trying to stop piracy. And because of that, they’re sure to release ‘enhancements’ that will all be DLC (downloadable content); this is pandora’s box in terms of what they could later release for added costs: larger maps, buildings, subways, you name it…

The DRM bugs me a bit (but this is EA we are talking about). But if the game itself is solid I can overlook it. I do like the collaborative aspect that the game offers. One of the things that I struggled with in SC4 when I played it a lot was trying to build a region. Set up one city with nothing but trash incinerators to take the garbage from the residential/commercial area and provide power back, rural areas, industrial cities. The collaborative approach that SC5 offers seems to get around that.


That said I am not buying it on release day or pre-ordering. I am very much waiting on the youtube reviewers to weigh in before I drop my money on it.



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Just started dabbling a bit with SimCity 4, and after watching a couple of videos and playing the tutorials, I'm now actually managing to turn a profit on the budget! 
Quoting slider (Thread starter):
Conversely, they’ve started a “regional” concept whereby there are multiple cities in a region and they can share trade, power, water, resources, sims, and collaborate on ‘great works’ such as a huge international airport. The developers wanted a game that would reflect more of the inter-dependence and inter-connectedness of actual cities and towns. Some people are going to hate that.

Sounds like the concept in SC4, which actually worked pretty nice. You could have a "hardcore" industrial/commercial city along with high-density residential areas around the edge, and then surround it with low-density residential suburban cities which then feeds the industrial sector. Apparently you can get some pretty impressive areas of skyscrapers going if you play your cards right.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Have fun using Origin.

Wait, that sounds like a curse.      


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Quoting slider (Thread starter):
And that’s the rub: the biggest problem with this game based on feedback from the real hard core gamers and SC fans, is that it’s always-on DRM (digital rights management). In short, the game is saved on their servers, and you have to have a fulltime internet connection to play the game. As a purist, I want to build my damn city MY way by myself, so do many others who’ve built this franchise into almost an obsession. It’s disappointing to see this, especially under the false pretenses of trying to stop piracy. And because of that, they’re sure to release ‘enhancements’ that will all be DLC (downloadable content); this is pandora’s box in terms of what they could later release for added costs: larger maps, buildings, subways, you name it…

That's getting to be more and more the case with PC games, I know that the most recent version of the Silent Hunter sub sim series (Silent Hunter 5) required a permanent internet connection and everything was saved on Ubisoft's Uplay system (Similar to EA's Origin.).

I had a chance a few weeks back to play the SimCity beta, but you only got an hour with it, which really isn't that much to really get into the game.

There's a similar game called Cities XL that's a bit more in-depth than SimCity has been in the past, but I got bored with it fairly quickly.


User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Wow, Simcity. Love 2000 and got used to 4. I personally have not interest in an online connection for a game like SC. Stupid idea pretty much except for MMORPGs.


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

I'm amazed at all that a new version of this franchise is being released.

Games that have steep learning curves usually don't sell very well ( look at the demise of flight simulator) so I can understand why some things will be different.



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 12):
Games that have steep learning curves usually don't sell very well ( look at the demise of flight simulator) so I can understand why some things will be different.

I think that's the main reason they essentially re-wrote this game from scratch - to appeal to a whole new audience.

I have been keeping an eye on this new release for a while now, i'm a huge fan of SimCity. I was fortunate enough to take part in the beta, and now I think it has put me off a little, especially when it first launches. During the beta test there were frequently issues trying to connect to the servers, and users were regularly being dumped into a waiting list to launch the game. Granted this was a beta, and one of the main purposes was probably to measure server load and push them to their limits, but it's really got me concerned that the same may happen with the actual release, at least to start with.

I can take requiring an internet connection, I only ever play games on my desktop PC anyway which is always connected, but if I see a message telling me I cannot play a game I have paid for even once, then that's a deal breaker for me.

Apart from that the beta wasn't too bad. I've upgraded to Win7 and now SimCity4 crashes constantly for me, so i've been looking for a new city game to play. I've tried CitiesXL, but it just never felt right to me. The new SimCity is quite similar to CitiesXL, but it just feels right! There are a few issues that I would like to see addressed though - the city sizes are FAR too small - it's more SimTown than SimCity, and while zoning is now incredibly easy, I'd like a bit more control and the ability to specify density myself rather than basing it on the road type used.



That'll teach you
User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6924 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 3):
Very heavy SC4 player. Not going to be buying the new one at least when it comes out. With mods SC4 will still have far far FAR more options than the new SC, and I HATE the transport/transit options in the new SC.

What specifically? No subway? That's one I wish I had. I think that--my own 'conspiracy' theory here--is that they'll have new options after launch as DLC for $. But they do have boat ferries, municipal airports and intl airports as well as a space launch center (one of the other Great Works). More on transportation below....

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 7):
I am very much waiting on the youtube reviewers to weigh in before I drop my money on it.

Ditto. The Beta reviewers seemed OK by and large and the forum feedback has been very positive. I think it exceeded the (negative) expectations.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 12):
Games that have steep learning curves usually don't sell very well ( look at the demise of flight simulator) so I can understand why some things will be different.

To Nighthawk's point, this new one is FAR more intuitive and less micromanagerial. It's more detailed in terms of the programmatical micro-scale stuff but easier to control from a zoning, taxing, building and managing standpoint. This is again a lot of the crux of the folks who don't like this new one--it's a sea change in philosophy.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 13):
I was fortunate enough to take part in the beta,

I'd love to hear more!! Good, bad, ugly....

I know the Beta was one hour increments and so many things weren't turned on for it, but I'd love to hear more thoughts on this.

In talking to a few buddies, one who did the Beta, he thought there was too much open space between cities in each region, although that will vary in the final version because some maps have 3 towns, some 16...but no more agriculture and farming is unfortunate and that could chew up some of that space.

One other thing that some forum fanboys were speculating about and that Ocean Quigley hasn't answered yet, is that there is NO terraforming or subterranean activity at all. Subways, below ground water pipes, even the water table, oil deposits, etc aren't 3D....just 2D. I *think* (unconfirmed) that the Glassbox engine is SO advanced that they couldn't do subterranean anything because of the bandwidth and programming, server stuff...just a hunch.

And the complexity of Glassbox is such that the city size might not legitimately be able to be bigger and still have individual logic for thousands of agents and sims....another common theory.

But I'm looking forward to it only because I'm ready to take a foray into the Sim world again after years of not doing any of it.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 14):
But I'm looking forward to it only because I'm ready to take a foray into the Sim world again after years of not doing any of it.

Really that is the thing for me as well. I have SC4 with the Rush Hour expansion pack but haven't played it in AGES.

Quoting slider (Reply 14):
I think that--my own 'conspiracy' theory here--is that they'll have new options after launch as DLC for $. But they do have boat ferries, municipal airports and intl airports as well as a space launch center (one of the other Great Works).

It is EA afterall, DLC and micro-transactions are what they do best. I just hope they aren't as poor values as some of the Sims 3 expansions are.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12289 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2570 times:
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One game I would like to see come back from the dead is Transport Tycoon. I wasted so much time playing that game when I was a kid.


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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3443 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

I've played and loved Simcity 1, 2000, and 4, and am excited to see the new release at my buddies place, but definitely won't be buying it unless EA backs off on the DRM. I have plenty of Steam games to keep me occupied thank you very much.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 9):
Wait, that sounds like a curse

You mean it isn't?



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User currently offlinenorthstardc4m From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3077 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2534 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 14):
What specifically? No subway? That's one I wish I had. I think that--my own 'conspiracy' theory here--is that they'll have new options after launch as DLC for $. But they do have boat ferries, municipal airports and intl airports as well as a space launch center (one of the other Great Works). More on transportation below....

Railways are rediculous
No subway
no elevated rail
no scalable RT
limited highways within cities
airports are only great works (i build my own and i don't mean the piddly default ones)
no real industrial transportation options
need i go on?
DLC give me a break, that's gonna be 6 months of new "buildings" and automata, one patch and then "buy the amazing expansion pack!"



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2484 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 12):

I'm amazed at all that a new version of this franchise is being released.

Games that have steep learning curves usually don't sell very well ( look at the demise of flight simulator) so I can understand why some things will be different.


also the reason why we don't see modern versions of Myst and Riven I guess. A real shame 

btw people.. if you enjoy SimCity, you may like the Anno series as well. Anno 2070 is pretty good.

[Edited 2013-02-07 15:14:11]

User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

I had a lot of fun with SimCity and SimCity 2000 ... but I won't be giving this latest release a try since I loathe the DRM scheme they use for it.

I pay for my games, no problem, but it isn't the pirate who is annoyed by a brain-numbingly-stupid DRM scheme as a server-always-on DRM.

No, it's the honest and paying gamer who is screwed over.



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Somewhat off topic but this certainly goes here:

Those of you who like Sim City with Android should download and play Airport City

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gameinsight.airport

Addicting. Very.


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):
also the reason why we don't see modern versions of Myst and Riven I guess. A real shame 

Not to get off topic but does anyone here remember byzantine the betrayal ? They don't make games like these anymore...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2WQzygiphM



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7282 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

I was a big sim city fan. 2000 was a lot of fun so was 3000 and 4000. 4000 with the regions and all the transport options etc.. was great, but I think 4000 was a bit too hard to make a good city without cheats. And even with frozen money once a city reached 200k or so everything would go down. High crime, low employment I never understood it.

I played the beta. I wont get into it too much because I don't remember if there was a NDA or not but they were asking for opinions on Maxis facebook page so does not seem like they care anyway. It was a very large beta, more like a demo with a survey.

Anyway got to play a designated town for 1 hour at a time as many times as you want. I had a lot of fun in that one hour. I took out some bonds so money was not an issue. The problem was in JUST ONE HOUR I had no more room to build anything else. My city started to dense up with apartment buildings and larger commercial buildings but the plot is just too small. I wonder if they will force people to buy an expansion pack with bigger land size. I think my highest total population city was around 25k. It just seemed a little too easy.
A good amount of features were not in the beta but the basic stuff was. It looks like transit is not that great, no subways just street cars and buses. Does not look like you build rail. Every city just has a rail coming into it at a certain spot of the plot same with the highways. You don't decide dense or not it is just place it down and it builds up itself which is annoying because even for a small home it takes up the same space an apartment would take. So at the end of my hour I had all these empty spots where I would like to place more things but the way zoning works it is hard to know where to place the streets. Zoning is free though.

The positives are good at the same time, you really see how the city interacts. You get a ton of feedback which is awesome. You upgrade buildings like adding another row of classrooms instead of having to build a new school which is cool. Everything in the city has a purpose which is cool. Maybe that is the reason for the smaller plots. Specializing your city is cool too. Only the casino specialization was open in beta and as the city and casino makes more money you can build more and larger casinos. Have a casino and hotels are built in your city. There are other specializations too.

Overall I think it has some really cool concepts but the online play is a negative. I want my own region with my own things. I thought I read somewhere that there would be a non online version? Anyway if the plots are bigger I would probably enjoy it more with a few tweaks with the zoning. It would be nice to have more transportation options and to be able to create your own region. Decide if there are mountains or not. Also there were no farm lands.

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 3):
Very heavy SC4 player. Not going to be buying the new one at least when it comes out. With mods SC4 will still have far far FAR more options than the new SC, and I HATE the transport/transit options in the new SC.


I would love to get SC4 back up and running but I have heard it just does not work on Win-7, example below.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 13):
Win7 and now SimCity4 crashes constantly for me,



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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3443 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 18):

Railways are rediculous
No subway
no elevated rail
no scalable RT

If you want to play with trains you should check out Cities in Motion. On sale on Steam right now for $5.



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25 nighthawk : It does for me, and I have heard a lot of others complaining too. It seems to be fine with small cities, but once you build it up to a certain size i
26 Post contains links northstardc4m : I've tried it... SC4 with the Network Addon Mod is better i find, plus far far far more downloadable stuff for SC4. There's a new NAM coming later th
27 flyingturtle : I've played SimCity Classic back in the old days. Our father sometimes took us to the High School (he's teacher there), where we could game on the Mac
28 nighthawk : "northstardc4m's images are not publicly available."
29 AviRaider : I've been a huge fan of all of the Sim City versions. I play here and there with SC4. I have an urban planning background and for me SC4, with all of
30 Post contains links slider : I’ve seen that too in some of the Beta videos I saw on You Tube. While I’m still skeptical about the city size too, I think by having a limit on
31 Post contains links northstardc4m : !? http://northstardc4m.imgur.com/all Should work but if not well... *shrug*
32 slider : Man, I LOVE that airport on the island! This is where I do miss the terraforming with the new one a lot. **Trying to keep an open mind** EA makes it
33 ouboy79 : I got to play for what they called a beta, but in actuality it was just a 1 hour demo/preview run to hush people up. 80% of the features were disabled
34 MrChips : I'm pretty skeptical about this new SimCity - a lot of the things I've heard about the direction EA is taking it in aren't entirely encouraging. Any r
35 Post contains images CPH-R : Those are some pretty awesome screenshots. But I must say, I was quite surprised to see Amalienborg Palace in the middle of SimCity
36 flymia : I am also not a fan of needing to connect online and be in others regions. I guess you can create your own private region. Also there will be another
37 Goldenshield : A new version? I'm going to reticulate splines with glee!!
38 PHX787 : Just home this one is so much better interface-wise than SC4. SC4 was epic but was absolutely slow as crap.
39 Post contains images detroitflyer : I was a HUGE fan of the sim city series. I absolutely loved sim city 4 and spent countless hours playing it. All the other sim city games (not officia
40 ouboy79 : Looks like they are going to do anther "beta" weekend coming up. So check out their website to get a key to access it.
41 slider : Correct....16 February. Prior Beta users can repeat and anyone who purchases online will get a key as well. This test is also more of a server test t
42 slider : Anyone here going to buy it? There are some sites that are pulling together multiplayer regions now.
43 NorthStarDC4M : Not at release, probably not until SC4 is no longer modded much. As long as the mods keep coming, I'll stick with SC4.
44 MCO2BRS : I stupidly broke my Sim City 4 disk not so long ago, and have been looking to get a new one but can't seem to find anything except Rush Hour (which I
45 flymia : Well I now understand why people hate origin. I already hate the idea of all online play. I think it is a serious downfall to the game. So on a 10 hou
46 slider : Well, I played the second Beta this weekend and had no technical issues whatsoever. Downloaded fine, got the Beta key and all that, and had no server
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