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Sweeping Manhunt For Rampaging Ex-cop  
User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2918 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

http://www.latimes.com/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21373264

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

look at the number of bullet holes that that truck has, I feel sorry for anyone driving a vehicle fitting the suspects description today....

[Edited 2013-02-07 11:22:01]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4829 times:
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Wait, they shot up a blue truck because it 'fits the description' and then do the same to a black one?? My goodness. I'm generally a staunch defender of the Police, but this looks pretty outrageous. That poor woman.


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4804 times:

Quoting alberchico (Thread starter):

http://www.latimes.com/
"Local, state and federal authorities are involved in a massive manhunt for Dorner, who threatened "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare" against police in an online manifesto. "

LAPD should hire armed security guards as soon as possible.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4781 times:

It's all over the news here in Los Angeles. Saw the electric billboards giving out the description of the car today on the freeways. Hope they catch him as soon as possible before he hurts anyone else.


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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4782 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
Wait, they shot up a blue truck because it 'fits the description' and then do the same to a black one?? My goodness. I'm generally a staunch defender of the Police, but this looks pretty outrageous. That poor woman.

The LA Times reported two separate shootings of vehicles matching the description of this guys car today. Not just the one linked above. The LAPD has one of the worst reputations of any police department in the US. This won't help improve it.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19614 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4779 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):

Wait, they shot up a blue truck because it 'fits the description' and then do the same to a black one?? My goodness. I'm generally a staunch defender of the Police, but this looks pretty outrageous. That poor woman.

Cops in this country are mostly good. However, there are certain yahoos who should be screened out.

I'm no expert, but generally verifying your target before using lethal force is standard procedure, no?


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4780 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
I'm no expert, but generally verifying your target before using lethal force is standard procedure, no?

One would think so. I hope someone's own ass gets handed to themself on a platter for shooting the woman delivering newspapers.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4761 times:

I took some time to read through the accused's "manifesto" which is available now on several news outlets. I don't in anyway condone what he did, but there are many accusations he makes that could very possibly be true given the reputation of the LAPD. I hope he's brought to justice for what he has done, but I also hope that the LAPD and media go through the investigation that led up to his being dismissed as a LEO. Because, he's in essence saying he was fired for being a whistle-blower. And, some of what he says sounds very plausible.

Here's what he sent the media:

http://www.myfoxla.com/story/2101902...festo-about-slayings#ixzz2KETaRYYL



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4783 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4720 times:
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The scope of this manhunt is insane. Evidence is popping up all over Southern California, including here in San Diego where his wallet and badge were found. Apparently he tried to steal a boat here late last night.

I just finished reading the "manifesto" and it's heavy stuff. This seems like something taken straight from a movie. The scary thing is, he has been trained by the LAPD and US Military. He claims to know (and chances are he does) how law enforcement will respond to his actions. That means he's potentionally one or more steps ahead of them at all times which makes this incredibly dangerous.

Scary stuff!



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5602 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 1):
Wait, they shot up a blue truck because it 'fits the description' and then do the same to a black one?? My goodness. I'm generally a staunch defender of the Police, but this looks pretty outrageous.

Oh, it gets better. The Riverside PD chief condemned the shooting of his two officers, saying they were ambushed "and didn't even have a chance to fight back". Yet no such sympathy for the papergirls or condemnation of the cops that shot them.

He literally accomplished one of his goals, albeit in the worst way possible.



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User currently offlinehoMsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

When does the movie come out?


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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2918 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 9):
Yet no such sympathy for the papergirls or condemnation of the cops that shot them.

Well on the plus side they've got a multi million dollar settlement coming their way, that should cheer them up...



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6618 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

I guess you now realize why in some countries, even cops don't have guns !


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User currently offlinestratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 12):
I guess you now realize why in some countries, even cops don't have guns !

Well I think even Britain has revised that.. Kinda hard to stop someone in a rampage (and yes liberals criminals get guns in places like London) If your police have nothing but nightsticks for protection.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2853 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 13):
If your police have nothing but nightsticks for protection.

Many countries still enjoy a police force (general duties) who are not armed. If the situation involves arms, then the police who are armed take over....

Having lived in a country (nz) where this occurs, its very refreshing indeed.

[Edited 2013-02-07 22:06:59]


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User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 4):

The LA Times reported two separate shootings of vehicles matching the description of this guys car today. Not just the one linked above.

WTF!!! Those officers should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. I understand the tension, but if you cannot handle it dont become a police officer.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 14):
Having lived in a country (nz) where this occurs, its very refreshing indeed.

Oh please!! It refreshing not to have an officer carry a gun? How so? I would much rather have all officers carry guns so that when there is an emergency, they aren't scrambling to find an officer that does have a gun. After all, i cannot find a case where an on duty officer has every maliciously killed someone using his firearm.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1254 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

Wow US police forces shooting innocent people again instead of actual criminals, how surprising.

I can now kinda understand why so many people in the US resist any restrictions to obtaining guns, sure I would like to have one too if incompetent armed polices were fooling around my neighborhood all the time. I'm really glad that in this country police forces are well trained.

[Edited 2013-02-08 04:23:37]


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13095 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

One has to wonder if this man should have ever become a cop in the first place. He seems to have some serious mental health problems, made worse by the culture of the LAPD including it's racism.

I suspect if and when the cops get him in a corner, all the cameras will be turned off and he is going to die in a hailstorm of bullets, even if surrendering. He killed cops and that is a sure way to end up dead too. I just hope they get to him before he shoots and kills others.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4783 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4382 times:
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Quoting ltbewr (Reply 18):
One has to wonder if this man should have ever become a cop in the first place. He seems to have some serious mental health problems, made worse by the culture of the LAPD including it's racism.

Well right now the people who know him are wondering how in the world this is the same guy they know. It's probably very shocking, and he even acknowledges that in his manifesto.

Sometimes you just never know what's really going on inside someone's head.



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User currently offlinehoMsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Reply 16):
After all, i cannot find a case where an on duty officer has every maliciously killed someone using his firearm.

There have been numerous examples of police killing unarmed civilians using guns over the years.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4333 times:
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Quoting hoMsar (Reply 20):
There have been numerous examples of police killing unarmed civilians using guns over the years.

Of course, but the keyword there is 'maliciously'.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7893 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 17):

Way to generalize dude. Do you have any idea how police departments around here operate? Most are just normal, good departments, then you have some like the LAPD that are full of corruption. Now, admittedly, the LAPD does have some pretty serious problems and heads should roll (metaphorically) about lighting up innocent people in these pick up trucks...

I'd almost have respect for this man if he went about this in a much different way, without using violence. It seems like the LAPD is really messed up, assuming his stories check out, but any credibility he had is rightly thrown out when he starts gunning down people. And although I disagree with the tactic, I can at least see why he'd go after police, but why on earth would he go against their families?

Plus, what if he shoots another police officer that thinks just like him? He is truly deranged.



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User currently offlinehoMsar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 21):
Quoting hoMsar (Reply 20):
There have been numerous examples of police killing unarmed civilians using guns over the years.

Of course, but the keyword there is 'maliciously'.

Why should "malicious" be the determining factor in whether or not something is okay?



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Reply 16):
WTF!!! Those officers should be prosecuted and thrown in jail. I understand the tension, but if you cannot handle it dont become a police officer.

This article has a photo of the truck the LAPD shot up containing 2 women delivering newspapers.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...s-newspaper-carriers.html#comments

It wasn't just one or two shots, they shot the truck up.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 17):
Wow US police forces shooting innocent people again instead of actual criminals, how surprising.

I think we can all agree that what happened in the two shootings of innocent civilians driving trucks similar to the one the PD was looking for is bad, criminally bad, but I also can't imagine being a police officer knowing you were being hunted by a trained military man.

That doesn't excuse the accidental shootings, but you also have to realize that these guys could be ambushed at any time.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7702 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4348 times:
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Quoting hoMsar (Reply 23):
Why should "malicious" be the determining factor in whether or not something is okay?

I don't think it should, it just happened to be a key word in the quote you responded to.



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25 johns624 : Not that I condone what he's done, but it seems like he tried all the "normal' channels and didn't get anywhere and decided to go out in a blaze of g
26 Post contains links BN747 : A disturbing quote from his manifesto... From 2/05 to 1/09 I saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others as a police officer in Los
27 Post contains links starbuk7 : If you read this story the two women delivering papers were driving around a neighborhood of an officer that was listed in his "hit" list with no ligh
28 KiwiRob : No they haven't, British police still don't carry and are apparently more than happy not to. Looks like might be the nail in the coffin for the assau
29 canoecarrier : If that's your opinion then you know nothing about American gun politics. Anyway, I find it interesting that with the manhunt centered or at least fo
30 DeltaMD90 : I don't care what his reasoning is... killing other cops isn't the way to go. I read part of his manifesto (a few paragraphs, not the dozens and doze
31 Post contains images Silver1SWA : At least once! I don't think anyone who hasn't read the manifesto can grasp exactly what's going on here. I got home last night and brought it up to
32 canoecarrier : I second this. He's pretty specific in his accusations and as I said above, it's entirely possible that some of them are true. That doesn't excuse wh
33 BN747 : Not a chance... MSNBC, CNN, Fox.. doesn't matter. They'll all folded like a wet cardboard box under Bush and his illegal war, this? This is seriously
34 DeltaMD90 : How do you feel about him killing a man?
35 canoecarrier : He's probably one of the first mass shooters in American history that is this intelligent. Not only is he smart, he's been trained both by the LAPD a
36 aerobalance : Not at all, big difference between a dark-colored Nissan Titan (I own one) and a Bright blue Toyota Tacoma. Make positive identification of the suspe
37 DeltaMD90 : I think there is truth in it too but he could easily be extremely paranoid and many of his gripes may actually have simple explanations to them... th
38 Revelation : Indeed it's got to be a diversion showing how much smarter he is than other cops, the ones too dumb to realize that an African American wouldn't try
39 Silver1SWA : He mentions "initial small scale offensive actions" which implies he's got a lot more up his sleeves.
40 DocLightning : Exactly. This is a manifesto written by a very sick man. You cannot believe what is written in it, even if it raises some good points.
41 BN747 : Spend about 10 more years where you are (hopefully advancing)... you will not be able to avoid - nor escape situations of power and influence. If you
42 TheCommodore : That's exactly the sort of reply I'd expect from someone living under your flag.. I wont bother trying to explaining what I meant by refreshing, you'
43 IMissPiedmont : I am being wary as I type this, you never know if some nut will walk up these days. But if somebody does walk up and I shoot him or her a few times j
44 DeltaMD90 : Stop speaking in absolutes. I've already said this guy most likely has legitimate gripes BUT I don't condone the way he's going about it (killing.) I
45 BMI727 : Timothy McVeigh was essentially a Tea Partier before there was a Tea Party. While some of his thoughts on taxation and government were right, that in
46 BN747 : If he did, yes, the news tonight said 'allegedly'... this once, I'll prefer their phrasing. Evil? I don't know all 'the facts'... wrong? Yes. America
47 seb146 : Did he go to his supervisors? Did he go to the state police board? Did he file any other grievences? Or, was this rampage his first step?
48 itsjustme : So you're condoning the killing of three people and severely injuring a fourth? Not to mention, one of those killed was a police officer. Are you f'i
49 BN747 : Someone hasn't read the Manifesto..all your answers are there. Point out where I'm saying that...go ahead.. I'll just say this, YOU are expected to t
50 DeltaMD90 : Why he killed in cold blood? I would like to know too, but that ain't gonna excuse him, are you insane? WTF are you talking about. I can wish a lot o
51 Post contains links itsjustme : The "Department line"? What, that murder is wrong? Is THAT the "Department Line" of which you speak? Tell me - have you or a loved one ever been hunt
52 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : He's obviously more "enlightened" than us and we just don't understand the "depth" of what he is saying. Hey, maybe the officers wronged Dorner and d
53 Post contains links BN747 : You're sounding insane repeatedly asking the same questions over and over again... ..an earlier quote from me... ...but noooooo that's not good enoug
54 DeltaMD90 : Pot meet kettle... I've already said that the cops most likely and definitely have in the past (especially the LAPD) committed some egregious crimes.
55 BN747 : Aside from my long standing known list of usual suspects of antagonist detractors... who? Are you getting pvt pms from secret pals again? It seems on
56 LMP737 : You could make the argument that a veteran LAPD officer railroaded a rookie in order to protect her career. However three employees of the hotel wher
57 DarkSnowyNight : Yup. If there's one thing Cops really hate, it's being shot up. There's a reason why pointing a gun at one of them is still an effective method of su
58 Silver1SWA : There are two sides to every story, and the truth exists somewhere in the middle. Obviously the manifesto is one side of the story so it should not be
59 Maverick623 : I can make a pretty good guess as to what those people said. Either "I didn't see a cop kicking anyone", or "The cops were fighting with the guy", or
60 Aaron747 : I don't know what he hell happened at the hotel that day, but logic suggests most people don't get this worked up over something that they made up. Th
61 ltbewr : I would also wonder about his experiences in the military as a factor of his now terrible behavior. Despite all the publicity, there is still a lot of
62 Post contains images windy95 : it happens way to often here which is why when the anti gun crowd tells us that gun's should only be in the hand's of trained officers we raise our e
63 seb146 : So, what about the details taken by LAPD about what this guy did? What happened when he went through grievence channels? What was said at hearings? I
64 KiwiRob : Isn't this guy just doing what a lot of supporters of gun rights suggest is the reason for the second ammendment and gun ownership, to keep the govt i
65 DeltaMD90 : I don't really get into that angle but no, this is not what those gun owners are saying
66 seb146 : No. I was just reading on Yahoo news about his past with LAPD. One incident had him file charges against his partner and superior that she kicked a m
67 Silver1SWA : Guys, seriously. Read the manifesto! You don't have to believe everything or anything he says, but read the manifesto. It's a must in order to underst
68 BN747 : Quantum Theory, quantum non-locality aka quantum entanglement - then must be true (actual has been proven)..because I thought I'd never hear you of a
69 LMP737 : Just because a deranged lunatic says something happened does not mean it did. I would think that most people would remember a police officer kicking
70 BMI727 : It's what the training is all about. Breaking someone down and remaking them as a soldier is a lot more than making sure they can do push ups and sho
71 BN747 : You, like my good friend Bill Maher have these interesting ideas about what the military really is.. I know what the brochures and commercials tell y
72 windy95 : Are you saying it is okay to sympathize with other killers or just that you cannot sympathize with someone who killed a person who happened to be a c
73 Post contains links windy95 : Here are some more of the latest news articles. Dorner manhunt: Mayoral candidates want probe of ex-cop's claims about LAPD http://latimesblogs.latime
74 DeltaMD90 : They are in a sticky situation. On one hand, they need to investigate these cases. On the other hand, doing so is basically giving Dorner what he wan
75 LMP737 : There's nothing alleged about the murders, they happened. The problem with that scenario is that three civilian witnesses do not support his versions
76 seb146 : What led to the other officers to testify against him? What did he do to them? The manifesto, he paints himself as a saint. What else happened that he
77 okie : So far the LAPD have gunned down and opened fire on 3 innocent victims among numerous other infractions looking for Dorner . From here it looks like
78 windy95 : Bingo. There is nothing obvious about Dorner's ability to be or not to be an officer but it is obvious that the LAPD has some serious problem's. We c
79 canoecarrier : I'm almost at that point Doc. Although, I would argue that you should analyze everything he says and not take it at face value. We're getting his vie
80 DeltaMD90 : Exactly... some people don't understand that apparently
81 BN747 : That's a HUGE leap in the 'copy cat' realm... ..and very unlikely to happen no matter what! Why? Because as so eloquently stated by one of the bigges
82 seb146 : But, why was his partner suspicious of him? Might she have seen him do or say things that raised a red flag? Surely not every single person in LAPD i
83 BN747 : You really are unfamiliar with cop culture aren't you? Go hang out at court house and observe when the are involved in a trial. Cop Culture is very s
84 FlyDeltaJets : I always say 2 wrongs don't make a right. As bad as the things that Dorner is accused of doing are. The police shooting first at 3 separate vehicles i
85 Post contains images TheCommodore : Yeah, just like the 71 year old woman delivering papers with her 43 year old daughter, both Lucky to be alive.
86 BN747 : I bet if he's stepped out of his element anywhere to buy a pack of smokes or whatever..the cops were immediately called! ..not only that, but with fo
87 seb146 : What does that have to do with anything? Just like every profession, there are tight knit groups. There are those who do their job but don't get invo
88 BN747 : it has Everything to with it! Soldier, Cop military group bonding is unmatched by all other professions because the element of true power (license to
89 Silver1SWA : This has nothing to do with changing the system. He states this whole thing is about one thing, and one thing only. His name. He wants his name clear
90 petertenthije : Judging from his manifesto he certainly has victimization issues combined with a short fuse. See for instance below examples whereby the italics are
91 seb146 : INCLUDING the testimony of the hearings he brought up. That has not been seen here. Just how his manifesto is the only gospel worth taking into accou
92 BN747 : Okay, wait .. above you have no problem quoting 'exactly' what was written in the manifesto, then suddenly you decide you want paraphrase and take li
93 petertenthije : It was a long story, so that's why I went abbreviated, but you're right in that I should have provided more background. They probably will. But I hol
94 DeltaMD90 : That's because most cops are good, which many seem to forget. But there are plenty of bad apples that give them a bad name.
95 BN747 : ALl I can say to you is... do you seriously think you'll live to see such a day that not only LAPD, but any US police force will share that with you?
96 BN747 : That my friend is the truth, I've been to Holland 4 times (love the country) and the people, and have observed the Dutch police in action at Schiphol
97 Silver1SWA : I'm not defending him! I simply wanted to make sure we all understood what his motives are.
98 BN747 : He drew that conclusion with me as well... the question is what kind of Liberal accepts LAPD's spin on anything? That's Huffington Post special inter
99 seb146 : And that's fine. He had noble motives. HAD. Until he murdered in the name of clearing his name. After that, all bets are off. But, since people still
100 itsjustme : Kind of a sweeping statement, isn't it? Not surprising. Not surprising, either. Of course you hadn't. Yes. Given your obvious disdain for law enforce
101 Post contains links TheCommodore : Not sure I want some ! Gee, cops must really be "touchy" at the moment...... Look at this circus ! http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...ender/story
102 n229nw : Whatever legitimate grievances the guy had, wtf with people defending him, on Facebook or anywhere else?!?! I read the manifesto, or most of it. This
103 okie : I noticed on the news today that the LAPD is speculating that Dorner might have the abilities to pilot an aircraft. In turn the LAPD is staking out al
104 BN747 : Absolutely correct, I'm no fool. I know how to cheese up and having the 'right address' + good attitude has gotten me out of moving traffic violation
105 seb146 : I was arrested by my hometown police on a warrent from the other side of the state. Years ago. I knew both officers who arrested me and all the peopl
106 BN747 : The smartest attitude possible because you just don't what's on this guys mind, but I must admit..there is clearly a difference in how they treat you
107 seb146 : Every time I see one, I think "F-- the police" too. But, I do not ever want to see any of them shot dead. I just don't want to talk to any of them. D
108 Post contains images Pellegrine : I'm on the fence myself. The Socal Mafia....I mean the LAPD has a history of discrimination, and has so far shot 3, and held up at gunpoint others who
109 itsjustme : Possible sighting and shootout between Dorner and Fish and Game officers at Big Bear. Preliminary word is one, maybe two officers shot. Some local sta
110 L-188 : I doubt he will go alive, no doubt the LAPD and Riverside have kill orders out on him
111 AeroWesty : First thing I thought of as I tuned to CNN was the SLA shootouts, and I was stunned to realize that that all happened in 1974! Gosh, time flies. The M
112 Silver1SWA : He fully intends to fight to the death, as stated in his manifesto. Anyone catch the prank call during CBS coverage? Whoops...
113 AeroWesty : No, what happened?
114 L-188 : So now he is barricaded inside a cabin in the snow covered mountains. Why is this starting to sound like Lee Marvin and Carl Weathers tryong to dig Ch
115 AeroWesty : CNN reporting that the LA Times is saying Dorner is holding a couple hostage in the cabin where he's barricaded himself.
116 Post contains images Darksnowynight : I have like 12 airport badges and my attitude is just.... ok nevermind... Well, looks like he's about done here. Hopefully they'll gas him out or som
117 Post contains links hOmsar : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6CMKAGsFzY Can find other videos (that's the first one I came across), just do a search for CBS prank call dorner
118 Silver1SWA : Yeah, that's it. Also weird was a CBS anchor not realizing he was live for a good 5 minutes. He got on his phone and asked the camera to be moved ove
119 Post contains images AeroWesty : Damn, LA Times is reporting that another deputy has died in hospital from wounds received during the shootout earlier today.
120 Aaron747 : The building he was in is totally burned to the ground now and they're saying nobody has come out. He's finished.
121 Post contains links BN747 : ..and a second Manifesto.. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...-christopher-dorner_n_2670513.html ..basically another ex-cop speaks out, in a non-t
122 seb146 : Since you know it all, what are the lotto numbers for tomorrow? Just because this is just wrapping up does not mean they will not change policies and
123 BN747 : You're confused Mr Know-it-All has initials that start with a J and ends with an 'E'.. but for the Powerball I'd play 03, 17, 27, 39, 44 and you pick
124 AeroWesty : It appears that's the case. The LA Times is now reporting that a body has been found in the cabin, but it may take "hours or days" to identify it.
125 Silver1SWA : And now LAPD says no body found yet.[Edited 2013-02-12 20:27:24]
126 AeroWesty : Oh blarg, you're right. I just skimmed through Jimmy Orr's tweets, and he says that the cabin is still too hot to search. Next update at 8am tomorrow
127 flymia : No body wants to confirm the body but if they were not sure he was dead they would not have gotten rid of all the road blocks etc.. He must be in ther
128 seb146 : They must have learned something. Tell me how many riots there have been since? Since LA is a liberal city, the HufPo article that has no threats wil
129 BN747 : Ok, you don't get how this all happens... it's a build up process. Everyone connected on the streets knew the riots were about to explode when the Ro
130 seb146 : Because a self-professed white suprimicest was one of the cops. And you question why it happened? A white guy who hates blacks beat down a black guy
131 Pellegrine : That could be a double entendre if I've ever heard one. What about the three innocent people who were brutally shot by the LAPD in pursuit of Dorner?
132 PlanesNTrains : Hey, this could be the opening entry in your manifesto. -Dave
133 BN747 : LAPD -> Change = NOT! GOP -> Change = NOT The point was comparison of two separate recalcitrant parties on the same wave length, better known a
134 seb146 : If he had not murdered people, there might have been change for the better. But, we will never know because it was either his way or no way. I still
135 DeltaMD90 : Corrupt cop = harmless joke on an aviation forum? lol
136 BN747 : I'm comparing two prime (and widely known examples) of the most resistant level of stubbornness this side of the Taliban. Good luck in school. At lea
137 PlanesNTrains : You_crack_me_up! You remind me of a pilot in CivAv who had a different point of view than mine, so proceeded to point out my personality defects and
138 BN747 : No because I don't know you, have never conversed with you and the 1st and only thing you can do is jump into a thread and cheap shot someone over a
139 L-188 : Well there are now reports that the police tried to burn him out of the cabin. Just a warning: I'll try And censor a bit of the language eased. Report
140 Post contains images Silver1SWA : So back to the story... I read this morning that they found a wallet and Dorner's California Drivers License with the charred body? Now I'm not one fo
141 BN747 : Well surely there's an explanation for that.. ..the wallet was made of a titanium alloy and shielded the 2nd copy of his plastic drivers license.. wo
142 Post contains links AeroWesty : Oh man, that'll keep our resident tin foil hat wearers busy for months! http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12...edly-may-have-had-help-fleeing-to/
143 Aaron747 : Would we really expect anything different? They had standing kill orders on this guy the moment he was confirmed as the killer of the ex cop's daught
144 ltbewr : As to his demise, the police used tear gas 'grenades' which often can set fires. They gave him one last chance to come out hands up and surrender, but
145 Maverick623 : There's little to examine. The LAPD is, and will continue to be, a corrupt force. They just happened to mess with a highly trained person with some l
146 okie : I am just wondering about the owner/family that lived in the cabin. Just question whether or not LAPD had even determined if there were other people i
147 seb146 : I don't know about LAPD but GOP at least has some people who are willing to open up, talk about things, talk about change and even try to change. Wha
148 PlanesNTrains : You know, if that one line is enough to get you fired up, then I don't know what to say. As far as the discussion goes, I don't see how it's possible
149 LMP737 : Do you have a copy of that standing order or is this something you saw on the Internet? So the entire LAPD is corrupt? Do you have anything to suppor
150 LMP737 : Vindicated because of something that was supposedly said that you have no evidence support it with? Here's another bit of information. Where he was k
151 Acheron : Doesn't justify opening fire on the cars like you are in goddamn Baghdad or Kabul about the get blown up by a VBIED That would rule out like 50% of t
152 Gatorman96 : Sure, if your family knocked off a few cops and ordered a public vendetta against an entire police force. Otherwise, I think most families are safe f
153 LMP737 : "We believe that this investigation is over, at this point, and we'll just need to move on from here," San Bernardina Sheriff John McMahon told repor
154 Maverick623 : Did I say that? No. But we're not gonna pretend that Rampart didn't happen. Try and go easy on the snark. He was terminated for accusing a superior o
155 seb146 : Yes, but when it was found there was no crime but he kept pressing on and was easily enraged, I think that says something. Just simply being fired fo
156 LMP737 : "The LAPD is, and will continue to be, a corrupt force." Your exact words "The LAPD". The only way I can interpret that is the entire LAPD. If you di
157 DeltaMD90 : I am against stereotyping too, but he may be describing the agency culture. Police departments are tricky... every department will have its dicks--th
158 LMP737 : There is no single entity otherwise known as LAPD. The LAPD is made up of the officers who are employed by the City of LA. To call the LAPD corrupt i
159 DeltaMD90 : There is a culture for every police department, and yes, it draws from individual cops, politicians, local officials, the brass of the organization,
160 seb146 : Now, you are just splitting hairs. I have known good cops and bad cops in Portland PD, Multnomah County, Oregon State, Pendleton, Medford, Ashland, S
161 itsjustme : Typically we carry our badge and police ID in a separate case or "wallet" and that's more than likely what was found in San Diego. From news reports,
162 LMP737 : People who say the LAPD torched the place ignore the fact that the incedent occured in San Bernadino County, not LA.[Edited 2013-02-15 01:22:58]
163 seb146 : I had heard that was said too but I still have not found any audio. There is plenty of other audio. Part of the confusion between San Burnardino Coun
164 Gatorman96 : I am surprised (but not really) by some of the responses in this thread. I honestly see zero problem with how this situation played out. What were the
165 itsjustme : You are correct. SBSO was the lead agency and numerous departments/agencies (RSO, RPD, LAPD, FBI, etc...) offered resources to help facilitate the ca
166 Gatorman96 : I heard the radio transmits on CNN a few days ago and they did use the F-word in various sentences, but who really cares? Anybody in the SBSO's shoes
167 Post contains links itsjustme : Yep, I found some scratchy verbiage aired by KCAL9 after the burners had already been deployed. Here are recordings of transmissions prior to and aft
168 Post contains images Aaron747 : I retract nothing. Whether explicit or tacit, the results tell us what kind of outcome they were looking for. Case in point:
169 itsjustme : Gee, I'm shocked. Your credibility is zero.
170 WildcatYXU : Then I guess shooting up random vehicles is SOP for the LAPD.
171 Aaron747 : I'm not the one looking at the situation through the windows of fantasyland.
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