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Holden Unveils New Commodore VF Sedan  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

2013 Holden Commodore VF sedan


Unveiled at an event at Melbourne’s Docklands, Holden’s new VF Commodore spearheads a new export campaign to the USA in the form of the new flagship Chevrolet SS Sports Sedan - and will be Chevrolet's new NASCAR racer. The Chevy SS will debut at Daytona Speedway in Florida next week. The VF Commodore also "brings new levels of luxury and refinement to the large car segment, with a sumptuous new interior to match its upmarket exterior" according to the official Holden press release.

The VF Commodore, which will be built at Holden Vehicle Operations in the Adelaide suburb of Elizabeth, South Australia, highlights Holden’s advanced global design capability and promises a driving experience on a par with top-marque competitors Holden says that the VF Commodore will inject $2 Billion Australian into the Oz economy.

It will also be more fuel efficient. Thanks in part to the Australian Federal Government’s grant of $39.8 million through the Green Car Innovation Fund, it features lightweight aluminium panels along with other fuel saving features such as electric power steering. It is also more aerodynamic than the VE Commodore it will replace.

Among its many new technology features are some significant safety and driver friendly elements.

Key convenience features include Auto Park Assist on all models, where the driver operates the pedals but the car effectively parks itself. Unlike many similar systems, it also allows drivers to choose between a parallel or 90 degree angle park. It also gets the latest version of Holden’s innovative MyLink infotainment system and keyless entry and start.

High-tech safety features include Reverse Traffic Alert, which warns of vehicles passing when reversing out of spaces, Blind Spot Alert, Forward Collision Alert, Lane Departure Warning and a Head-Up Display, which projects vital safety information such as the car’s speed directly onto the windscreen.

The new Calais V-Series sedan, on which the show car is based, will headline an extensively upgraded VF Commodore model range that goes on sale mid-year. “Our aim with the new VF Commodore was to create a car that challenged some of the broader perceptions people have about the traditional Australian-made large car,” said Holden Chairman and Managing Director Mike Devereux.

More mechanical/engineering details will be released by Holden shortly. Styling-wise, the VF looks great to my eyes. I am definitely looking forward to the Chevrolet version's unveiling!!

Video of web-cast announcement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...ayer_embedded&v=yoz-Oo8rqJk#at=167

2013 Holden Commodore VF



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15477 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1320 times:

Slap a bowtie on it and get it on a boat!

Overall, it seems like a mashup of design features from other cars, not unlike the new Corvette although I'm sure they were designed by completely separate groups. There are only so many ways to arrange parts though.

The Jaguar/BMW/Porsche side vents will look nice on the Chevy version since it should be a nice visual link with the Vette. Not wild about the lower fascia LEDs though just because now everyone has them. The Volkswagen/Toyota-esque taillights are alright, but I wish they incorporated more or the sharper Chevy styling. And when they bring it here, please get rid of that Sebring grille.

Mechanically and interior-wise, it should be a good car. The success of the Charger makes me optimistic that this car will be an actual success in the US rather than just a cult favorite.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Mechanically and interior-wise, it should be a good car. The success of the Charger makes me optimistic that this car will be an actual success in the US rather than just a cult favorite.

I question how this will fit in with the Impala though. I know this is RWD vs the FWD Impala but I don't think there is enough room in the Chevy stable for both (with the admittedly mediocre Malibu cutting into the lower end of the market).

This SHOULD be the Impala, with the rather attractive new Impala being the new Malibu.

[Edited 2013-02-09 20:12:03]

User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1302 times:

So will this also be an update to the Caprice PPV, or is that a different car all together?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15477 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
I question how this will fit in with the Impala though.

Impalas for rental companies and the SS for everyone else?

Actually I suspect Impala sales will be more numerous since that's the car for people who don't care. If your car is an appliance, buy an Impala. If you are more interested than that in cars, buy an SS. The SS will hopefully be a bit more upmarket on the interior as well, but we'll have to see about that. It may end up like the Lexus IS and ES. They're similarly sized and priced, but the ES sells about twice as many copies.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11850 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
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Watched its release on Sky News here in New Zealand about an hour ago and really liked what I saw! IMHO it looks better then the Ford Falcon XR6/8.

Quoting Polot (Reply 2):
This SHOULD be the Impala

I fully agree with you on that one! I don't know why Chevy are making this into ANOTHER model when it would make a fantastic Impala replacement and brings back what big Chevy family car lovers like....a RWD model. The Impala has an SS model so this new Commodore once agains make a fantastic Impala replacement.


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Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
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Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 3):
So will this also be an update to the Caprice PPV, or is that a different car all together?

I believe the Caprice PPV is a police model only and isn't available for personal buyers


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
They're similarly sized and priced, but the ES sells about twice as many copies.

The ES is much bigger than the IS, while being about the same price. Keep in mind the ES is based of the Avalon now, not the Camry, while the IS is a compact car. That is why it sells much better than the IS.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
I believe the Caprice PPV is a police model only and isn't available for personal buyers

That is true. It would not surprise me the slightest if the SS and the Caprice PPV eventually converge though (the Caprice being on the stretched Commodore platform and all), but I doubt it will happen immediately.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15477 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
I fully agree with you on that one! I don't know why Chevy are making this into ANOTHER model when it would make a fantastic Impala replacement and brings back what big Chevy family car lovers like....a RWD model.

As a car enthusiast I'd agree, but the Impala has outsold the Charger. I'm not sure if that includes fleet sales though, but I think the Impala isn't going anywhere.

Quoting Polot (Reply 7):
The ES is much bigger than the IS, while being about the same price. Keep in mind the ES is based of the Avalon now, not the Camry, while the IS is a compact car. That is why it sells much better than the IS.

Good catch. But, even looking at 2010 and 2011 when the ES was still Camry based, it still sold significantly better than the IS. Not by a two-to-one margin, but better than 10,000 sales in both of those years.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
As a car enthusiast I'd agree, but the Impala has outsold the Charger. I'm not sure if that includes fleet sales though, but I think the Impala isn't going anywhere.

That has to include fleet sales, the Impala has been a well known fleet queen for years now.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Good catch. But, even looking at 2010 and 2011 when the ES was still Camry based, it still sold significantly better than the IS. Not by a two-to-one margin, but better than 10,000 sales in both of those years.

Even then the ES was bigger. The ES also has better recognition amongst the public, as Lexus has offered it since the brand was launched, while the IS came about 10 years later.


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 7):
It would not surprise me the slightest if the SS and the Caprice PPV eventually converge though (the Caprice being on the stretched Commodore platform and all), but I doubt it will happen immediately.

In my opinion, what would make more sense is that the Caprice (with its stretched wheelbase over the "normal" Commodore) would become a Buick - perhaps clone the Park Avenue Buick already sells in the Chinese market - although the Park Avenue may "crowd" the upcoming (and more 5 series/E-class sized) Cadillac CTS in the American marketplace. But Buick truly does need a large (understated) luxury sedan for those American buyers who are NOT fond on the aggressively sharp styling of the Cadillac model line. I personally really like the styling of the current Buick Lacrosse.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15477 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 9):
That has to include fleet sales, the Impala has been a well known fleet queen for years now.

Even if it does, the difference is 90-100k cars for the last three years. And fleet sales are sales too, even if the margins may not be as wonderful. Chevy may want to keep the Impala as a taxi/rental car and there's really no reason to not have them on dealer lots too. It wasn't the grandpas of America that kept the Crown Vic viable for so many years, after all.

Overall I think that the SS can exist alongside the Impala and that there are probably enough people who like the Impala (I can't imagine why though) and fleet sales to survive some loss to the superior SS.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 10):

Just need to have the stretched variant be the next LaCrosse, giving the current Regal a little breathing room (perhaps enlarging it slightly to allow more space for the Verano).


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1197 times:
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Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Key convenience features include Auto Park Assist on all models, where the driver operates the pedals but the car effectively parks itself. Unlike many similar systems, it also allows drivers to choose between a parallel or 90 degree angle park. It also gets the latest version of Holden’s innovative MyLink infotainment system and keyless entry and start.

High-tech safety features include Reverse Traffic Alert, which warns of vehicles passing when reversing out of spaces, Blind Spot Alert, Forward Collision Alert, Lane Departure Warning and a Head-Up Display, which projects vital safety information such as the car’s speed directly onto the windscreen.

These features are magnificent. I can't wait to see Ford Australia's response with the 2014 Falcon - although that's only going to be on sale 12 months after the VF. The new Commodore makes today's Falcon look like it came from the stone age. As a Ford fan, it saddens me to say this, but the new Commodore is going to give the Falcon a thorough beating.

Of the new Commodore's design, I like its modern interior the best. It's at least a generation ahead of the current VE Commodore interior, which dates back to the car's launch in 2006. The only thing that lets this car down is the styling of the doors, which was carried over from the 2006 VE.

Picture of the interior:




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User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 3):
So will this also be an update to the Caprice PPV, or is that a different car all together?

There will be an update for the PPV as well. I've heard that a column shift will be available for it as well.

The PPV is interesting in that it is the LWB Caprice body, with the fleet-spec Commodore Omega front clip, dash & most of the interior trim.

The reveals will be done gradually, the reveal today was for the top-spec Calais V, the SS will be revealed later in the week, the Caprice, Sportswagon & Ute & lower-spec versions later on. Will be interesting to see other models, especially the lowe-spec & Caprice models to see how the interiors especially, are differentiated from the Calais.

Holden have said that they want to take the new model upmarket to attract more private buyers & some of the lower-spec models may not carry across to the new model. The Cruze is also made in Adelaide as well, would not suprise me if Holden directed fleet buyers who normally buy the base model Commodore over to the Cruze. Though they might make the Omega base model a fleet-only model available by special order like what Ford has done with the Falcon. Couldn't see them handing most of their police sales, for example save for the Ute & SS, over to Ford & Toyota.

http://news.drive.com.au/vf-commodore?rand=1360455788976

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2/B4F7F7FFAACB39F8CA257B0E0027D2AF

[Edited 2013-02-10 03:17:34]


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1160 times:
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Quoting melpax (Reply 14):
Though they might make the Omega base model a fleet-only model available by special order like what Ford has done with the Falcon.

 

The base model Falcon XT is in regular production and is available for every Tom, Dick and Harry to purchase. It's not a fleet-only model.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

More mechanical/engineering details will be released by Holden shortly. Styling-wise, the VF looks great to my eyes. I am definitely looking forward to the Chevrolet version's unveiling!!

The Caprice isn't a VF it's a WM Statesman, the WM from what I can gather isn't being replaced for another couple of years so the Chevy Caprice won't change at all.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 13):
I can't wait to see Ford Australia's response with the 2014 Falcon - although that's only going to be on sale 12 months after the VF.

Probably not a lot different from the VF which is just a VE with new noise, tail and interior. So expect to see a new nose, tail and interior on the FG, what will be really interesting is what Ford come up with in 2016 when the RWD Falcon dies and we get a FWD and AWD platform Falcon, will they go with an Australianised Taurus or something else?


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Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1145 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 16):
Probably not a lot different from the VF which is just a VE with new noise, tail and interior. So expect to see a new nose, tail and interior on the FG,

... as well as a lot of new technology. The current Ford Falcon doesn't have enough "gadgets", even though it is a magnificent car to drive and the 2.0 litre EcoBoost engine is a revelation.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 16):
what will be really interesting is what Ford come up with in 2016 when the RWD Falcon dies and we get a FWD and AWD platform Falcon

Ford has not confirmed that the Australian built Falcon is dead by 2016. Granted, given Mulally's "One Ford" regime, it is very likely that a locally produced car sold only in Australia and New Zealand, being an "orphan" in the Ford family, is unsustainable in this economic climate. It would be a shame to lose it, though.



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User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 15):
The base model Falcon XT is in regular production and is available for every Tom, Dick and Harry to purchase. It's not a fleet-only model.

True, but what little marketing Ford does of the Falcon is directed at the XR6 & G series models. I couldn't imagine too many private buyers buying an XT when an extra $2K, or even the same price would get you a better-spec XR6 or G6. In Melbourne at least, you'd be hard pressed finding a new XT in a dealer's stock. An XR6 or G6, no probs, but if you were set on the base model, it'd proably have to be ordered in.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 17):
... as well as a lot of new technology. The current Ford Falcon doesn't have enough "gadgets", even though it is a magnificent car to drive and the 2.0 litre EcoBoost engine is a revelation.

Will be intersting to see how Ford respond with the next & most likely last, Falcon. From what I've been reading about the EcoBoost models, they are a better drive than the 4 litre 6!



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Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1138 times:
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Quoting melpax (Reply 18):
True, but what little marketing Ford does of the Falcon is directed at the XR6 & G series models.

To be fair, Holden doesn't do much marketing of its base model either. Most of the advertisements I have seen are for limited edition models or the SV6.

Quoting melpax (Reply 18):
From what I've been reading about the EcoBoost models, they are a better drive than the 4 litre 6!

I have driven an EcoBoost powered Falcon and own a Fairmont powered by the 4.0 litre inline six. I believe that the EcoBoost is the better engine. The six should be pretty much redundant, if only people know about and are willing to test an EcoBoost Falcon with an open mind and without holding onto an archaic and anachronistic notion that 4 cylinder cars are "wheezy" and "gutless".



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

It's a decent looking sedan, just like a long lost of other decent looking sedans.

That puts price as the key factor for success and, with a strong Aussie Dollar, I think sales will be so - so.

No way will it replace the Impala produced in the US. GM learned that relying on a Holden to prop up a division is not successful. We don't need another Pontiac experiment.

Bring it in as a single model and see how it flies, but keep the focus on Malibu & Impalas. And the Equinox.


User currently onlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3309 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1055 times:

Will this one also be available in Europe under the Opel/Vauxhall brand? This would be a nice succesor to the Signum.


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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

Looks a lot like a pontiac G8!!


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):

Agree with you there. Back in reply 2 I should have said that if this was to be the next Impala it should also be made here.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 22):
Looks a lot like a pontiac G8!!

That's because the Pontiac G8 was just the current Commodore wearing a Pontiac grille (that special edition Commodore's got when the G8 went out of production and they had leftover pieces)


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Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 22):
Looks a lot like a pontiac G8!!

Which is a very, very good thing to this Pontiac enthusiast! And the Chevy model I mentioned above was not the Caprice PPV - it's the new Chevy SS sedan that will be sold (in somewhat limited numbers) to the American general public - most likely only in a V-8 version (a detuned version of the current Corvette motor probably).



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15477 posts, RR: 26
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 977 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 24):
it's the new Chevy SS sedan that will be sold (in somewhat limited numbers) to the American general public - most likely only in a V-8 version (a detuned version of the current Corvette motor probably).

Why detune it? The Camaro is only four horsepower down to the current Corvette as it is. And I hope that somehow the 580 horsepower version from the ZL-1 ends up in the SS sedan, since hopefully the CTS-V will move up the price and performance ladder with the new model. It would definitely give M3 owners something to think long and hard about.

And, since we're talking about GM, I was just thinking today that I hope the new Corvette has a new Grand Sport model that goes back to its roots as a stripped out semi-track car. Having a lighter, more hardcore version of the Corvette with less power and price than a ZR-1 would be a pretty nice poor man's Porsche GT3.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 944 times:

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 21):
Will this one also be available in Europe under the Opel/Vauxhall brand? This would be a nice succesor to the Signum.

It's been on sale in the UK for a long time as the Vauxhall VRX8.

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/microsite/vxr/vxr8/index.html


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 8
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 877 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 24):
a detuned version of the current Corvette motor probably

I ask like BMI727 did, why detune it?

The 1995-1996 LT1 equipped 9C1 and Civilian versions were not detuned. Well, I take that back, the "Home Base" and "First Base" noise reduction boxes, plus the Civi versions of the LT1 Caprices had a fan driven main cooling fan (2nd electric) that all did cost a small reduction in a few HP. But, that being said, the bigger body and weight took care of most of the impressive power "detuning."

Yes, there were braking issues with these cars and some officers were involved in deadly crashes due to brake overheating (VA officer, for one), but Chevy came up with brake cooling air dams that helped the problems.

I took my 95 9C1 to 152 on a long flat straight road, and that was it. The same year Corvettes could out do that. The WS6 Firebirds/Camaro SS's could also. It's all about the aerodynamics!

Let's hope Holden/Chevy learned from their mistakes and beef up all the brakes and suspension to handle the extra power.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 850 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 27):
I ask like BMI727 did, why detune it?

Corvette buyers want to have the "top dog" motor, and for the money they're paying for a 'Vette, that's understandable. When Pontiac was still in business, the G8 GTP had the 6.2 liter motor too, but it was slightly less horsepower than the previous generation Vette offered.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15477 posts, RR: 26
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 848 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 28):
Corvette buyers want to have the "top dog" motor, and for the money they're paying for a 'Vette, that's understandable.

They will, if they pay for it. The SS won't touch the Z06 or ZR-1, but the Camaro SS is only four horsepower down on the base Corvette as it is. Nobody raises an eyebrow about the CTS-V having more power at less cost than the Corvette Z06. Same with the Camaro ZL-1, which has as much power as the CTS-V but falls right where a base Corvette would be in terms of price.



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User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 825 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 27):
Let's hope Holden/Chevy learned from their mistakes and beef up all the brakes and suspension to handle the extra power.

No problems with the braking - The top-rung HSV performance models sold here come fitted with Brembos!

[Edited 2013-02-12 02:49:05]


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