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Pope Benedict XVI To Resign  
User currently offlineandrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 926 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

Hey all,

little unexpected, but on Feb. 28 Pope Benedict XVI will resign due to health reasons.

News just breaking on Bloomberg.

[Edited 2013-02-11 02:58:46]

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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5238 times:
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Al Jazeera and BBC confirm, saying they heard it from a Vatican spokesman.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/02/2013211105348481339.html

I must admit I am surprised. I thought this was a "job" for life quite literally.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8968 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5226 times:
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Quoting blueflyer (Reply 1):
I must admit I am surprised. I thought this was a "job" for life quite literally.

Yes, so I've heard myself. But it looks like there is a possibility to resign from that position as well.

What happens to him after being pope? Usually it is death, but what now?

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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 2):
What happens to him after being pope? Usually it is death, but what now?

Old age, a nice pension and a villa in the sun somewhere.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2331 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5211 times:

History in the making. The last pope to resign was Coelestin V or Celestin V, who abdicated in 1294.

A wise move from him, because he did not manage to reform anything in the Roman Catholic Church.



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User currently offlineandrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

Well, latest news suggest that he is frail and unable to cope with the position. I guess that he will 'retire' and live his last days/months/years somewhere in a countryside.

He plans to retire on Feb. 28 at 20:00.

I am little bemused as I thought that this 'job' is for life as well.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 1):
I must admit I am surprised. I thought this was a "job" for life quite literally.

I saw this information on the BBC News site - was wondering if it was posted. Thanks for starting a thread.

Pope Benedict XVI says he will resign, ANSA reports

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A Vatican official says he expects the period when the papacy is vacant to be "as brief as possible, Reuters reports.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21409149

There's been no Pope resignation in Eons of years.

His predecessor John Paul the Second was gravely ill many years and he still waited to die. He did not give his resignation in spite of his poor health condition and suffering so much pain.

This is very strange.

Possibly this "resignation" is all organized/fabricated by Vatican stronghold Cardinals with an already named "shadow" successor to this Pope.

If true, this will be the first time a Pope has left office since Pope Gregory XII in 1415!!!!

Maybe he will tweet his reasons himself. He just created a twitter account a couple months ago.

Edited to add link

Pope Benedict XVI to resign
Pope Benedict XVI has announced he will resign on February 28th, saying he no longer had the strength to fulfill the duties of his office.

more here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...4/Pope-Benedict-XVI-to-resign.html

Pope Benedict XVI resigns: pontiff's statement in full
The full statement from Pope Benedict XVI, who has announced he will resign on February 28.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...ns-pontiffs-statement-in-full.html

 Wow!   

The one thing I like about this Pope is that he is a dresser. Always looking so elegant with these beautiful vestments from the Vatican collections of traditional wear and also his red shoes. He is quite a fashionista!

[Edited 2013-02-11 03:35:20]


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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Possibly this "resignation" is all organized/fabricated by Vatican stronghold Cardinals with an already named "shadow" successor to this Pope.

Maybe he 'saw the light' and became a protestant.      


More seriously, I hope that his successor is a reformer.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6537 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Wow, didn't expect that ! There are a lot of politics going on in the Vatican (usual when an "old guy" is elected pope, since it is known he won't last), so I wonder who will come out. Will we have a pope from the South ? Or an Italian ?


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Can I be the next Pope?

I will turn Saint Peter and all Vatican property into National Museums and declared Italian government property. All remaining Vatican non-historical property and real estate owned by the Vatican will be sold.

I will spend all that money restoring all possibly flyable Concordes to flying condition including all Museum Concordes and will make sure all maintenance costs are paid for the next 100 years. I will have all the aircraft returned to Air France and British Airways for use in air shows and other exceptional circumstances.

Other historical aircraft such as the Avro Vulcan bomber XH558 will also be a part of this project.

All financial proceeds will go to aviation projects and various aviation/airlines charities wordwide. The Bank of the Vatican will be closed and the State of Vatican will no longer exist.

All Cardinals, Bishops and priests will be dismissed right on the spot at my becoming Pope. There will be no more such titles or jobs and will be free to start some other organisations/churches on their own.

        



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12401 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5041 times:
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Quoting wilco737 (Reply 2):
What happens to him after being pope? Usually it is death, but what now?

Well, I think he'll arrive at that sooner or later.   



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Wow, what a surprising announcement ! Definitely a rather unexpected news story to wake up to. As noted, it is the first abdication of the Papacy since 1294. While this is allowed by Canon Law, and Pope Benedict XVI has formally announced his departure to be effective as of February 24th. With such a long time since the last non-death ending of office it will be interesting to see how the process goes. Apparently he is resigning due to declining health limiting his ability to fully do his job. It is interesting that his timing of this announcement is just before Lent starts on Wednesday, one of the holiest periods of the church year.

Normally after a Pontiff dies, there is 9 days of official morning before the conclave of the Cardinals to determine the successor. I would presume a similar timing will occur, that the the Cardinals will meet in early March.

Of course after the initial shock of this announcement will be the huge speculation as to his successor. I bet already and in a few hours the 'horse race' will begin as to who could be likely successors. Could the church choose a person not from Europe, perhaps from Africa or the Americas? I expect the choice of another hard line conservative like Benedict XVI has been. Will they choose another 70+ year old or someone who in their 50's or 60's? The Church faces huge pressures on it for the horrible way that have handled the issues of sex abuser priests so could the choose someone who will change that attitude (doubt it). There is a 'war for souls' in Africa vs. Islam and other Christian faiths and millions of baptized Catholics have turned away from the Church for personal reasons. They need to make a bold choice to reform the Church to bring it into the 21st Century or face even more decline.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5022 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
Can I be the next Pope?

If that's how you would waste all the money instead of actually helping people then hopefully not. Maybe that's why they won't give the job to a woman, to much insantity  


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5022 times:
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Incredible. I'm not really sure how one can legitimately resign from being the claimed successor of St. Peter (of course I don't even slightly recognise him as being so, but that's the claim).


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5020 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
Apparently he is resigning due to declining health limiting his ability to fully do his job.

This is what we are being told - which I don't believe is the real truth.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 11):
Of course after the initial shock of this announcement will be the huge speculation as to his successor.

The next Pope name is probably already known within the Vatican "insiders" circle.

The rest is just stories for the public.

There have been so many scandals and bizarre happenings in the Vatican though the years. This is just one more to add to the list.

Marcinkus and the Ambrosiano scandal to name only one of them.

Paul Casimir Marcinkus (January 15, 1922 – February 20, 2006) was an American archbishop of the Roman Catholic Church. He was best known for his tenure as President of the Vatican Bank from 1971 through 1989

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Marcinkus

Age and health are not an issue for this Pope. His predecessor Pope John Paul II had a grave illness and he was in much less condition than this Pope and he continued the job til his very last day.

This is something different. There must be something he knows that forced him to resign.

      

[Edited 2013-02-11 04:41:06]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5004 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
which I don't believe is the real truth.

Hehe, Madame vous me faites rire!   

I can't recall the last time I saw anything reported that you didn't believe was some kind of conspiracy.   

I jest, of course.



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User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1593 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
If that's how you would waste all the money instead of actually helping people then hopefully not. Maybe that's why they won't give the job to a woman, to much insantity

Well the proposals by Madama Concorde sound much better to me than how the church is spending it now. I have a serious dislike for the Roman Catholic church, getting rid of that puppet show and getting some Concorde's in the air sounds like a terrific good idea.

[Edited 2013-02-11 05:04:26]


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4969 times:
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Quoting travelavnut (Reply 16):
getting rid of that puppet show and getting some Concorde's in the air sounds like a terrific good idea.

If only such choices existed!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 15):
I can't recall the last time I saw anything reported that you didn't believe was some kind of conspiracy.

I am not one who believes everything I am being told by the media.

At least they won't find this Pope dead in a strange way. He will be allowed to finish his life in peace with his cats and his grand piano. He will be much happier that way.

Pianist Pope Reflects on Power of Music
http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/pia...st-pope-reflects-on-power-of-music

Pope Benedict XVI And Music: A Love Story Told In Pictures
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...enedict-xvi-loves-c_n_1566052.html

Quoting travelavnut (Reply 16):
getting rid of that puppet show and getting some Concorde's in the air sounds like a terrific good idea.

In fact this Pope may very well have flown on Concorde on Pope John Paul II official flights when he had the Vatican charter Air France Concordes on a few of his long distance travels to make his travel time shorter.

May 2 1989 - Pope John Paul II waves to the crowds from a Concorde jet at Luanda airport (Photo #2)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47226000/jpg/_47226468_51397293.jpg

I would in fact be serving former Pope's memory by having the planes restored to flying condition if I can be the next Pope. Also I will be serving the aviation community as a whole and become extremely popular for returning Concorde to flight.

     

[Edited 2013-02-11 05:01:25]

[Edited 2013-02-11 05:09:12]


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6537 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
Age and health are not an issue for this Pope.

I disagree somewhat. Sure JP2 continued his papal duties till the end, but he had no control over the Vatican, and it's the same with Benoit. The house of cards is falling apart and only a strong leader can clean up the mess.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4943 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
I am not one who believes everything I am being told by the media.

Well, I can certainly understand why. I agree to a large extent. Having said that, not everything is a conspiracy.



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Sounds like his health has been going downward swiftly in the past few months, punctuated by his doctor advising him against travelling on longer journeys, and him having trouble even walking. Some rumours even mentions early stages of Parkinson's.

Early rumours on a potential future pope are cardinals Peter Turkson of Ghana, Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras, or Angelo Scola of Italy. Whomever is chosen in the coming conclave, it will have to be one who cannot be conncted to the cover-up scandals that have rocked the Vatican in the last few years. It'll be the only way forward for the Catholic church.

[Edited 2013-02-11 05:19:29]

User currently offlineLH7478i From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Opinions about pope Benedikt XVI left aside, it was probably the best thing for everybody that he "retired" from the office. What would be the point of having a pope only being exhibited to the public on the catholic holidays with no real control over his office while he is on live support or in another difficult condition.

User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 1):
I thought this was a "job" for life quite literally.

The Roman Catholic Church, and some others, have a major problem, and hopefully this action will make dealing with that problem easier in the future.

The church basically says the Pope is appointed personally by God to lead the church. And only God determines how long he has that position. Some other churches have a similar view.

The problem is that modern medical science is well able to carry a person past what would normally be the end of their life.

The Roman Catholic Church now says biships, and other clergy, should retire at age 75. The pope should not be an exception to the concept of retirement due to age/ health in my opinion.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 2):
What happens to him after being pope? Usually it is death, but what now?

He becomes a retired priest. His statement says he wishes to continue to serve the Church through a life of prayer. i.e. he won't be able to do much in the rest of his life but rest in the equilavent of an old age home awaiting his death.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 21):
Early rumours on a potential future pope are cardinals Peter Turkson of Ghana, Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras, or Angelo Scola of Italy. Whomever is chosen in the coming conclave

The next Pope is probably all set up already or at least in the process of being named in the shadow.

The eligible Cardinals cannot conclave officially until after Pope Benny's resignation date. I would say they will conclave and have the vote by mid-March.

    



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25 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Here is the list of Popes that have resigned. 1) Pontain Sept 28, 235 2) Marcellinus In the year of 304 3) Silverius Nov 11, 537 4) John XVIII In the
26 Post contains images MaverickM11 : He realized he's been a terrible head of a criminal organization that has existed by raping and pillaging for centuries?
27 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson (born 11 October 1948) is a Ghanaian Cardinal of the Catholic Church. He is the current president of the Pontifical Counci
28 KiwiRob : I think he doesn't want to end up like JP2, better to go whilst you still have all your faculties intact than remaining like a puppet to be displayed
29 CPH-R : This. He's 85, coming up on 86, he can barely walk, he's lost a lot of energy, his doctors have told him to avoid travels. He saw up, close, and pers
30 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The Man in White hasn't lost any of his intellectual capabilities. His mind is sharp as anything. That he cancelled his travels is a good idea - it s
31 mt99 : Pope Benedict appointed in 55% of the cardinals that are eligible to vote in his successor and the rest were appointed by JP II; who in turn elected
32 BN747 : A Black Guy as Pope??? I don't see it! I'll have sore kidneys for years from laughing so hard as a new religious European Tea Party springs up demand
33 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Not that he is African (Black) more because of his speech on Muslims. Looking at possible successors I am thinking of Angelo Comastri. He is Italian.
34 Cadet985 : As a Jew, I say good riddance. I still can't figure out how someone who was a member of the Hitler Youth rose to such a position. I do NOT wish bad up
35 Aesma : I doubt a black pope would be a problem in itself, with fewer and fewer westerners willing to live the priesthood (or able, since now homosexuality is
36 RussianJet : One could hold him up of an example of how someone's childhood and what was prevalent on them at the time does not have to mean they are cursed for l
37 Post contains images Stabilator : Yes, becuse everyone forced to be a Hitler Youth wanted to be one, and they all obviously hated the Jews. On a different note, will the cardinals con
38 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Some of the Italian candidates are : Gianfranco Ravasi Angelo Scola Tarcisio Bertone Angelo Bagnasco Dionigi Tettamanzi The man known as the Black Pop
39 Post contains links Dreadnought : From Wiki: "Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth—as membership was required by law for all 14-year-
40 Post contains images Stabilator : To add to Dreadnought's post (was going to add that to mine):
41 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Any Catholic man can be elected Pope. He doesn't have to be a Cardinal or even a priest. If a layman is elected, he is first ordained as priest, then
42 BN747 : You don't know that! That's all we have to go on??? What his brother said? Kurt Wilhelm, was long suspected of Nazi associations and rose to politica
43 CPH-R : Given that 3 years ago women priests were considered an “crime against the faith” by the Vatican , I doubt that'll happen.
44 PHX787 : Since he didn't die, are the priests going to wear black or not?
45 RussianJet : Clearly not going to happen.
46 MD11Engineer : One of my history teachers in highschool was, as most boys of his age, who were born aroundd 1930, a member of the Hitler Youth and was fully brainwa
47 Stabilator : I believe enrolment in the the Hitler Youth program was compulsory. Please read up on the Hitler Youth...
48 PacNWjet : Do you think you are the first person to discover Pope Benedict's past? His youth has been chronicled by thousands of journalists, historians, theolo
49 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I don't see why not. There was a woman Pope in History. Her name was Pope Joan although some scholars pretend she never existed https://en.wikipedia.
50 BN747 : Exactly, and had they won...your teacher would be one of their biggest supporters today. Along with Ratzinger. Your story confirms the pressure on ki
51 Ken777 : The current set up appears to be pretty successful in terms of generating tourist revenues. I think part of that is that the Faithful from all nation
52 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Maybe the Pope is just tired of the whole Vatican scene and he wants to retire and have himself some peace and quiet. Like any retired Head of State I
53 planemaker : It can't help but continue declining. I agree. If his mind is still sharp there is no reason for him to retire. Nope... she would be passing out appl
54 BN747 : Why read up on it..I never said it wasn't. Nor do I care. But it's not hard to put yourself near his shoes...where were you when America was swept in
55 rfields5421 : If it was true - that woman was masquerading as a man, and removed when determined to be a woman. So not the same things as choosing a woman to be po
56 RussianJet : Well, probably because the Catholic Church simply does not allow it. I doubt they are going to suddenly revise their scriptural interpretations overn
57 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is quite a good possibility. I had not thought about it. Queen Beatrix is going to step down. Pope Benny has announced today that he will step d
58 KiwiRob : Not possible, Chuck is next in line, the only way William becomes King after Elizabeth is if Chuck abdicates in favour of Willie .
59 RussianJet : Precisely. Also, there is no reason for the Queen to abdicate in the first place. She is in good shape on the whole, and we do not have a particularl
60 MD11Engineer : So once a Nazi, even being a teeager, always a Nazi? People never learn, or people who grew up in Nazi Germany, but now support democracy are just op
61 luv2fly : I don't where do you come up with this stuff. Who is going to pay for this CRAZT idea. Not everything revolves around concorde. I totally agree with
62 AeroWesty : I'm truly amazed at some of the posts here in response to the Pope deciding to resign. Sometimes people just want to say "I'm tired", and move on with
63 apodino : I am a devout Catholic and I am a little disappointed by the name calling and hate toward this man. Was the man perfect? No. Was he a sinner? Yes, but
64 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : What happens during the Pope's vacant seat from the time he resigns to the time a new Pope is chosen. Sede vacante Sede vacante is an expression, used
65 NoUFO : Not really, staunch Nazis normally remained staunch Nazis at best claiming that "those were the times", defending the Nazi ideology all the way into
66 kaitak : I think you meant Kurt Waldheim. He went on to become president of Austria but by then was banned from entering the US (and some other countries too)
67 DeltaMD90 : Yeah me too. You have the normal ones coming out, either claiming that it's the millionth conspiracy of 2013 or that he knows so much about the Hitle
68 iakobos : There are obviously many things you cannot figure out. If you had been at the same place as him at the same period you would have been conscripted as
69 hOmsar : Maybe he's retiring to spend more time with his family? Or perhaps he's got a good offer for a consulting gig somewhere...
70 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Some articles in the Media are saying that the Vatileaks scandal is the reason why the Pope has resigned. What is VatiLeaks The Vatileaks scandal[1][2
71 mke717spotter : After he steps down is he still going to be referred to as Pope Benedict or will he go back to his original name Razinger?
72 Post contains images MadameConcorde : They will have to research into old manuscripts in the Vatican Library to see what was done in the Middle Ages with the last resigning Popes unless t
73 CPH-R : Pretty damn late, given that the documents were released a year ago, and the person responsible for leaking them has already been tried, convicted, A
74 Klaus : I feel some human compassion for an old man retiring from a tough and draining job. But as for his years in office, he ruled the catholic church with
75 BN747 : Once a Nazi, always a Nazi? No. Except for the guys in South America..them? Yes. I'm solely targeting Ratzinger, but I'm sure my 6th grade Teacher Mr
76 NoUFO : Please tell me it is not the first time you have heard of VatiLeaks! You often proudly say that you do not trust "the media". But perhaps you should
77 Post contains images scbriml : One thing the catholic church is not short of. Before or after they put their own rotten, corrupt, child-molesting house in order?
78 MadameConcorde : I have heard of it once or twice before but never looked into it until I posted those links here on this thread.
79 PSA53 : FYI-According to the Malachy predictions,the beginning of the end with the last Pope will be Peter the Roman.That happens now. Will see how right that
80 Ken777 : The Church is far too dominated by men - and unmarried men at that. Because of the scope of sexual abuse of children in the Church the best we can ho
81 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Not all Catholics believe that the Pope is legit. These break-aways are called sedevacantists (empty seat supporters) Fr. O'Reilly On The Idea Of A Lo
82 RussianJet : The odd thing is, they then go and elect their own Pope, and still call themselves sedevacantists in spite of the fact that they have filled the seat
83 apodino : Actually, there is noting scripturally that prevents this. And in the past priests have been married. This is required more as a discipline than anyt
84 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Leo XIII looked cool (1896) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzLduvnW-FA [Edited 2013-02-11 13:15:58]
85 yyz717 : His lack of action on the sexual abuse of children by the RC church suggests a less comfortable retirement might be more appropriate. He has alot of
86 iakobos : A little bit of confusion here, membership to the Hitler Jugend was mandatory by law since 1933 for boys between 14 and 18 (even against parent's con
87 Aesma : Do Catholics care ? They seem to care far more about gay marriage, that's for sure.
88 Ken777 : The problem with that approach is that it has led to widespread rape of children. It is pretty easy to not worry about any affair a priest may have w
89 BN747 : Since you're making the case of there are Good Nazis and Bad Nazi Youth, the good ones or the ones that repent are acceptable to lord over the Vatica
90 Post contains links AeroWesty : The BBC has put together a nicely tabbed collection of relevant info regarding the Pope's resignation: Pope Benedict XVI to resign citing poor health
91 apodino : We don't know whether or not the celibacy rules caused these problems or not? What we do know is that there was a big problem in the church and the c
92 NoUFO : Apologize for what? He was 6 when Hitler rose to power, 14 when he was drafted into Hitler Youth, 18 when war was over. When those people at Yad Vash
93 flipdewaf : Do we really need this much media attention when a cult leader hangs up his dress and giant napkin hat? Fred
94 Post contains links and images Aesma :
95 texan : This isn't a case of anybody saying there are good Nazis and bad Nazis. This is about a government forcing all children into an organisation and whet
96 blueflyer : I do wish him well, but I am glad he is leaving. I feel that we should help the poor and heal the sick first, and worry about the eternal salvation of
97 RussianJet : You can be as disrespectful as you like, but it does not change the fact that the Pope is a globally influential figure (and no, I am not a Catholic)
98 Post contains links and images flyingturtle : Holy smokes! http://imgur.com/gallery/DFNIR9k David
99 Post contains images rfields5421 : Remember that her mother was in quite good health on her 100th birthday. Apparently still in good mental health. Really. But that's how Elizabeth got
100 RussianJet : Yes, really. It was a MASSIVE deal precisely because it was so incredibly rare.
101 soon7x7 : Really?...I could care less about gay marriage...fact is I'm sick of hearing about it. And tired of the abortion thing as well. They are nothing more
102 AeroWesty : Not true. Once Charles had sons, that put his children ahead of Andrew in the line of succession.
103 Post contains images TheCommodore : Hey, and don't forget to add a couple of nice young choir boys to act as "companions" to His Holiness [Edited 2013-02-11 16:42:12]
104 Aesma : Are you catholic ? There was a big demonstration (~500 000 people) recently against gay marriage in Paris. It was supposedly non partisan and non rel
105 Post contains links BN747 : Perhaps, I'm just simply stating that maybe people like him and his family 'polished up their histories' immediately after the war, does anyone here
106 Post contains images mariner : Even if it were to happen, Queen Elizabeth could not choose her successor. That was decided, long ago, by Act of Parliament. Sorry, no. It descends t
107 EA CO AS : And you don't know either. Prove he wasn't just a kid caught up in a war he wanted nothing to do with. Or does innocent until proven guilty not reson
108 soon7x7 : Yep...I am Catholic. So.....? To be Catholic doesn't require one to be far right, doesn't require anything really 'cept faith of something that is pot
109 BN747 : In war time 1939, a 14year old was no kid, he certainly wasn't when he was 17 and fighting in the infantry. Just as many of our 16 and 17 years lied
110 NoUFO : Yes he was. Or do you think in August 1993 he was a kid and in September 1939 he was a grown up able to reflect what is going on? Besides, in 1939 he
111 BN747 : Clearly you deny the article from wikipedia about him...feel free to post your own source backing you up and not written by his brother or any other
112 Post contains links NoUFO : Not at all, why? You should back up what you have said so far. But at your service: This article wasn't exactly written by a Ratzinger fanboy: http:/
113 rwessel : While I don't mean to attack your faith, per the RCC it is fundamental Catholic doctrine that you *must* accept the existence of heaven *and* hell. M
114 ltbewr : One has to wonder if he has a much more serious physical disease. He has been having problems walking, advised not to make long trips anymore. He may
115 NoUFO : Those are my thoughts, too. Plus, he seems to understand that he is unable to change any of those things you have listed.
116 Post contains links BN747 : The Article was entirely German, I don't know how accurate Google Translation is..but here it is.. http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/ratzi...gend-nett-l
117 Post contains images NoUFO : You could simply trust me when I say that the article states that Ratzinger did not have to fight. Yes, I think he failed. See reply #155 among other
118 BMI727 : I'll admit that I don't have any really strong feelings on Ratzinger. The church's handling of molestation is appalling, but that went way beyond him.
119 Post contains images Klaus : What we will see is yet another religious prophecy failing the smell test even after being upated many times to fit all kinds of prior occasions. Was
120 seb146 : As a Protestant, this is all very fascinating to me. In my American Business class today, the professor alluded to the fact that, in the past 2000 yea
121 PHX787 : A few news articles I read alluded that an Asian or African pope may actually happen this conclave.
122 AR385 : I don´t think so. The Asian Cardinal is kind of isolated and the African one has proved too controversial. He has antagonized other religions repeat
123 seb146 : For the sake of my question, what if the next pope is named Bob Smith? What will his papal name be? Joseph? I don't understand how that works. Could h
124 BN747 : I would think that my legendary rebellious and non-conformist nature here would clue you in as to a little of my persona, in the cop thread across th
125 Post contains links AeroWesty : The Pope chooses his own papal name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_c...nclave#Acceptance_and_proclamation
126 AR385 : 42% of the world´s Catholics are in Latin America. Most are in Brazil and Mexico. But given the penchant of the Churcth to go against common sense,
127 AeroWesty : Georgio Armani?
128 AR385 : Good one. But no. Although a lot of people in the Vatican would love to see Armani (or maybe just the male models) walking around, the name of the gu
129 NoUFO : Yes, as a 30- or 40-something with a little money to spend, you would board a plane or train to Canada or would drive your car across the border. And
130 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Popes can resign Procedure The Canon Law of the Catholic Church mentions papal resignation in Canon 332, where it states: If it should happen that the
131 RussianJet : No offence, but I think we all figured that out.
132 BN747 : OMG you are so delusional... have you ever hitchhike as a kid, I look back and it wasn't the greatest idea but I never feared doing it at time. There
133 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : We all know Popes can resign. However I added the text documenting how/why Popes can resign. There was already rumours circulating in 2011 in Italy a
134 NoUFO : Who did have a private car back then? Where do you get your fuel from in wartimes? Do you have an idea how Germany (and its roads) looked like when R
135 Post contains images flyingturtle : I don't know. But I'm sure he has a retirement savings account somewhere. Another small controversy not covered yet in this thread... the PhD thesis
136 AF1624 : I want the next pope to be a gay black young female. How's that for changing the catholic church (no capitalisation intended).
137 KiwiRob : So if I understand you correctly any and all Germans who were alive durning WW2 are Nazis, if that is your belief then you have a lot of growing up t
138 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Not going to happen. There are a lot of new progressive churches that will agree with that and designate women gay bishops. You will find many but no
139 NoUFO : Your irony detector needs a set of fresh batteries.
140 ltbewr : I notice a number of posters bringing up the participation 70 or so years ago in the Nazi military by the then Joseph Ratenzger. His brother, also a p
141 MadameConcorde : My question now is when are the fundamentalist Islamic leaders and Imams going to resign? Will Ayatollah Khamenei and his counterparts have the courag
142 Pellegrine : Ratzinger was never papal material for multiple reasons. His handling of the worldwide sexual and physical abuse scandals proved that during his papa
143 na : Lets hope a more modern man succeeeds him to the throne of St. Peter. Even if its different elsewhere, in Europe the Catholic Church is going through
144 Post contains images MadameConcorde : What will you say about Wernher von Braun -- one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in Nazi Germany -- who later became t
145 AeroWesty : "Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That's not my department," says Wernher von Braun.
146 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Just seen this in La Stampa Pope had to undergo heart surgery 3 months ago Quote: Poco meno di tre mesi fa papa Benedetto XVI è stato operato al cuo
147 Post contains images luv2fly : And your conspiracy spin on this news is? He is a frail old man who is tired of working, who isn't.
148 Post contains images AeroWesty : Voices are coming from the pacemaker telling him to quit.
149 Post contains images MadameConcorde : No conspiracy. I quoted earlier in the thread some links on the fact that he is tired and he has no more strength.
150 AeroWesty : What? So you're backing away from stuff like: ... and more.
151 Post contains images MadameConcorde : How do we know what the real truth is regarding world events? Pope or other. I don't believe everything I am being told by the media, news reports, t
152 KiwiRob : He didn't migrate, he was capturered and sent to the US, he had no say in his fate. If the Americans hadn't got him the Russians would have, he would
153 AeroWesty : Well of course it's your right to question. It just makes it difficult to follow what you're saying when you have posts claiming conspiracies and unt
154 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : as if you knew better I am no sheep material. I always question things, especially when it comes to politics and religions. I most always quote my so
155 AeroWesty : I'm not claiming to know better. My first post in this thread was: ... and I continue to believe that. I was pointing out that it's difficult to foll
156 Post contains images MadameConcorde : How about having Ayatollah Cat Stevens aka Yusuf Islam as the next Pope? That would be a cool choice. I hope at least one of the conclave Cardinals wi
157 yyz717 : How ironic that the RC church tried to crush scientific advancement for decades and centuries.....now they have no qualms about pacemakers for the po
158 Quokkas : That isn't certain. There have been at least three "African" Popes within that period. Of course at the time Africa meant the northern provinces of A
159 DeltaMD90 : Yeah but they need to have some backing in reality. I could say the aliens made him quit, has just as much evidence as some of your theories. Now if
160 EA CO AS : Why can't I? Arrest him and try him for his crimes, if he'll go without using deadly force to resist.
161 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Are you so narrow minded not to leave any room for any outlandish ideas or thoughts? Religion is outlandish after all. There is no proof that "God" e
162 AeroWesty : I thought he quit?
163 DeltaMD90 : Outlandish? No. Rational? Yes. I've seen many theories backed by rational evidence As any responsible person should... but you gotta be careful... to
164 Post contains images EA CO AS : Dismissal? Are you saying that somehow God "fired" him?
165 luv2fly : And if it "was" God how does he really know that it is "the" God and not the devil disguised as God to trick and lead the pope astray, down the path
166 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Mistranslation (or missed translation) from Italian. One of the frontrunners to succeed Pope Benedict XVI has defended anti-gay legislation like Ugan
167 Post contains links AeroWesty : What people forget though is that sometimes it is better to have an agitating figure, that the opposition to him may lead to real positive change. I'
168 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : La Stampa: Ratzinger wanted to leave his position immediately but they convinced him to stay on two more weeks. Article in Italian http://www.repubbli
169 Post contains images AeroWesty : Okay, I've decided. I think Cardinal Scherer should be made the new Pope. Let's give the Catholics a Brazilian!
170 brilondon : It should be noted that this Pope continued the cover up of the atrocities of the Catholic Church and although I don't think that he was altogether r
171 SmithAir747 : That's interesting! I was baptized Catholic by my adoptive parents, and was named Francis after St. Francis of Assisi. If, in some weird twist of eve
172 Post contains images mariner : For those who love conspiracy theories, here's a whole other take on it that a friend of mine sent to me. The commentary on the Pope's resignation see
173 DocLightning : Perhaps he's fine being a lightning rod of hatred towards the Church and will now step out of the way to let a younger, more innocent-seeming pope in
174 AeroWesty : I think the greatest benefit out of Benedict's resignation is that one's selection as pope may now be looked upon as merely a job, rather than an app
175 Post contains images Klaus : An interesting side aspect is whether Benedict will automatically turn back into being fallible once his resignation is completed...!
176 AeroWesty : Heh, interesting! I'd say yes, as the only infallibility conferred upon him as pope is as the shepherd and teacher of all Christians. As he'll no lon
177 Post contains images Klaus : That sounds plausible... since retired Benedict will almost certainly refrain from any further public statements anyway, the issue will probably not
178 Quokkas : The doctrine of papal infallibility does not imply that the Pope is without sin or cannot make a mistake. As a human being, a Pope is as fallible as t
179 Post contains images Klaus : Which basically just says that any criticism or doubt is banned, which is of course very convenient in an authoritarian organisation after (mostly) l
180 Post contains images Quokkas : If it was a Leninist organisation, they would call it democratic centralism. You can criticise or doubt as much as you like but once a collective deci
181 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This is exactly what was reported in La Stampa after the Pope announced he would step down. Così Ratzinger ha messo fine alla guerra di potere nella
182 Quokkas : I notice the chute coming down from the window. Being totally irreverent, it reminds me somehow of another person who chose to leave his job prematur
183 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : How about a Kenyan Pope? This man looks cool His Eminence John Cardinal Njue Currently, he is the Apostolic Administrator of the Catholic Diocese of N
184 Aesma : In my opinion a young pope (and I agree it will likely be a young one) will take far more flak, because he will be as conservative as his predecessor
185 PSA53 : I agree.That won't change a thing. The Catholic church and many other practices don't deal in democracy or liberalism which,obviously,people have tro
186 Post contains images Superfly : Technically I can be the next Pope. I already meet the qualifications. Superfly for Pope anyone? It's a man's job.
187 BMI727 : There was some show on History Channel about the Vatican and they were talking to the guy whose job it is to maintain the hats when it hit me: the Po
188 Post contains links and images Superfly : He even has his own private MD-11. View Large View MediumPhoto © Rudy Chiarello If I were the Pope, I'd trade it in for an A340 or second hand 747-4
189 Post contains images PHX787 : Are you 1) Catholic 2) Not married (i hope not...you never know if you end up having some late-night drunken marriage record on file somewhere in Veg
190 Post contains images Superfly : I meet the qualifications. Also being "pro-life" isn't a requirement but anyone that dedicated to their religion will be against abortion anyway. Per
191 Post contains images Quokkas : The Vatican City is not a member of the EU, although it does have an open border with its neighbour, Italy and uses the Euro by special arrangement.
192 Post contains images Superfly : Good!
193 babybus : I hope not. If people wanted a reformist church they would have all headed off to The Church of England a long time ago. The flow seems to be into, n
194 Post contains images MadameConcorde : True thar. The "His Holiness" name call will be revoked I think and the infallibility will be gone for sure. I was thinking... there may be much more
195 Aesma : Especially this pope liked old school and "in you face" clothing, with lots of gold and red. I'm not sure giving up on the pope to get an hereditary
196 Pellegrine : I have less a problem with the Vatican's financial scandal....which only involved the Vatican Bank and Banco Ambrosiano and circa 35-50 mio Euros...t
197 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Pope Benny is a fashionista. Other than the red shoes all the clothing are taken out from the Vatican collections of old Pope's wardrobes. The only c
198 AF1624 : Honestly, I'd love to see the new pope in a suit. Just your bog standard black suit white shirt red tie. I want him to be a good looking businessman
199 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Try looking for pictures of the previous Pope John Paul II. He always tried to keep it as simple as possible. He never wore red slippers. He wore whi
200 Post contains images scbriml : Papal infallibility? Oxymoron, anyone?
201 Post contains links and images Aesma : JP2 skiing : I found the first one on a "traditionalist" website with pretty crazy ideas (including of course, not recognizing the last few popes).
202 AF1624 : It's not really about price is it? It's not really the point, I think. Not the one I was trying to make anyway. a. Awesome photos b. Please share the
203 Post contains images kngkyle : The real reason:
204 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I remember seeing some of this live. It was very funny. Pope did with it very well. Looking at the pictures it happened more than one time. Not diffi
205 Post contains images Quokkas : A Paleontologist as well. He'll be quite at home among all those fossils.
206 Post contains links AeroWesty : Interesting. The pope will remain a resident of the Vatican in retirement to keep him free from prosecution and in a safe environment. Pope will have
207 Post contains images Quokkas : ...from spilling the beans. Funny too that the Vatican is concerned by the possibility that Ratzinger might be more popular than his replacement. It
208 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Pope and meteor art at Christies Lot Description Maurizio Cattelan (b. 1960) La Nona Ora (The Ninth Hour) wax, clothing, polyester resin with metallic
209 rfields5421 : Thus the old joke Why does the Pope kiss the ground whenever he arrives? You would too if you had to fly Alitalia.
210 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Coincidence how? A painting from 14 years ago with the last Pope getting hit by a rock (which probably isn't a meteorite because there is no flames a
211 Post contains links AeroWesty : That danged pope! Always trying to upstage the Mayans. Russian meteor predicted by Mayan prophecies
212 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Pope Benedict public schedule until 28 February 20.00 PM Source: La Stampa Sunday 17 February At 18:00 the Pope will inaugurate the start of the Lente
213 Quokkas : Judging by the look on her face HM seems to be thinking, "Don't get any ideas, Chum. I like being head of my own church."
214 ltbewr : With Benedict XVI's departure while alive, this is going to be a very interesting time in the history of the Roman Catholic Church, especially as to i
215 luv2fly : He did his latest mass in Spanish, is that a sign about the next Pope!
216 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Why would he say his last mass in Spanish? Latin would seem more appropriate. http://www.osservatoreromano.va/port...tSelected=JSPTabContainer%252FHo
217 luv2fly : Since it was in Spanish I have no idea what Latin has to do with it.
218 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Have you got a link to this? What day was it and where? I've been following events at the Vatican from the time Pope announced he would resign but I
219 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Looks more like Italian to me - with parts in Latin. From the Vatican official website The Pope's calendar of celebrations February 2013 http://www.v
220 luv2fly : Since it was reported on the Today show about the mass being in Spanish.
221 Post contains images MadameConcorde : The today show is vague. Is that TV? Radio? Every ceremony/mass/prayer/conference/public event by the Pope has a link somewhere. Sometimes they even
222 AR385 : He said a few phrases in Spanish, as a courtesy to the audience given the fact that a group of nuns, I think, from Latin America were there. It was n
223 luv2fly : The "Today Show" is the major morning show for NBC and has been for way to many years to mention.
224 Post contains images AeroWesty : Aha, for our new pope from Brazil, no doubt. The Catholics will be getting a Brazilian as I predicted!
225 AR385 : You do know that in Brazil they speak Portuguese, right?
226 Post contains images AeroWesty : You do know that 'Latin America' is a big place, right?
227 AR385 : I said Latin America because I do not remember where the nuns were from. But surely, if they were from Brazil, Ratzinger would not have spoken in Spa
228 Post contains links AeroWesty : Merriam-Webster Dictionary
229 luv2fly : Why cause he is from the USA! You never miss a chance to slam us do you.
230 MadameConcorde : Mahony was fired from being the ArchBishop of Los Angeles as he covered/protected sex-abusing pedophile priests in hid diocese. What I don't understa
231 luv2fly : All of them are guilty of something. Show me one that walks on water.
232 MadameConcorde : So you think they are all corrupt and dirty? You must have a very bad image of the Catholic church.
233 TheCommodore : How blind we all are ! These so called "religious people" sit in judgement of others (their congregation) every day of the week, how hypocritical is
234 MadameConcorde : Not all of them but many among them - yes. Then they go to confession and they are forgiven and they start doing the same thing again and on and on..
235 Quokkas : I am sure that many priests are decent men who genuinely care for the people in their parish. Further, while it would appear that child-abusers have b
236 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Thank you good sir, I hope everyone reads your posts. I'm a Catholic and of course I have problems with a lot that they do, but some here are treatin
237 mariner : I think you are extremely charitable. The problem for me is that this isn't recent, it is not new to the church. It has been going on for more than d
238 Aesma : Well, the CC is all about rules, he's ticking all the right boxes so he should be allowed.
239 luv2fly : So you think they are all corrupt and dirty? You must have a very bad image of the Catholic church. And it was brought on by all the bad things it has
240 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This is a Anti-Pope blog - it makes some ideal reading for those who like to bash Pope Benny Guilty or not it all falls on him, Joseph Ratzinger, soo
241 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : Queen Elizabeth II, Prince Philip to visit Rome for 2 days in March I would surmise that this trip has been in the works for some time. I guess the po
242 luv2fly : To bad they could have talked about concord and the QE2........
243 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Concorde and the QE2 have also ended their careers. That's the only thing they (will) have in common with Pope BXVI. They are retired. The Queen is s
244 Post contains links AeroWesty : It appears that Parliament could establish someone else as the head of the church. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Governor_of_the_Church_of_Eng
245 luv2fly : It was a joke. Humor I am usre they have it in France.
246 TheCommodore : Yes I have to agree with you mariner. I firmly believe the church hierarchy new exactly what they were trying to achieve with the course of action (o
247 Quokkas : The uncle of the present Queen, King Edward VIII, abdicated in 1936. The official story is that the Government opposed the King's wish to marry Walli
248 AeroWesty : I took her question to mean would it be possible to resign as the head of the church while remaining the reigning monarch.
249 Quokkas : That would require a change in the law, both passed by General Synod and by Parliament, and probably resulting in the disestablishment of the Church
250 Post contains links iowaman : Please continue the discussion in part 2 if you so desire: Pope Benedict XVI To Resign Part 2 (by iowaman Feb 19 2013 in Non Aviation)
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