stasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
North Korea is not prone to seismic activity. It conducted nuclear tests in 2006 and 2009, and both times other nations detected the vibration of these nuclear tests. I think we have a bonafide nuke test taking place. BBC News also reporting the test as well.
pvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1522 times:
Sanctions are almost always useless. They haven't worked even against countries like Cuba, Iran and such where civilians still do have pretty good amount of freedoms left compared to North Korea, so how would one expect them to work against a country with a government that couldn't less care about its people and keeps them so badly under control that most of them probably don't even think about rising against the government and with all the control that would be near impossible to do successfully anyway.
Now of course if China stopped supporting North Korea that would be different thing indeed.
nazgul From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1107 times:
I don't think anyone should be worrying about whether or not NK can launch a missile to target a city but whether or not they are capable of launching an EMP attack with their missiles? Doubtful but that can cause a lot more disruption and chaos in this day and age!
BO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1093 times:
Jeez, here comes the UN with their word for word rhetoric.
However I would wager a heavier bet on China to intervene on this matter. Definitely not a good sign that they send up a satellite a few weeks back and now detonate this.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the end times are upon us..
wingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2387 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 950 times:
For the life of me I can't understand China's determination to build up North Korea's nuclear weapons program (or allow it to happen) or Russia's similar role in Iran. Pakistan already went rogue enough proliferating nuclear weapons know how in the 80's and 90's and these two countries spreading the knowledge further is putting us all in very grave danger.
Can anyone explain the strategic advantage or national interest either Russia or China gains by their actions? I'm at a complete loss. The first case may finally lead to all out war in the Middle East and the second inevitably leads to Japan building and deploying 100 long range nukes within 18 months. Putin is obviously unhinged but China surprises me.
MrCazzy From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 806 times:
The biggest question I have is when China will act/ if they do. Since they are one of the only countries who gives anything to North Korea I think whatever happens when talking about NK is directly related to what China will do.
rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 716 times:
Quoting wingman (Reply 17): Can anyone explain the strategic advantage or national interest either Russia or China gains by their actions? I'm at a complete loss. The first case may finally lead to all out war in the Middle East and the second inevitably leads to Japan building and deploying 100 long range nukes within 18 months. Putin is obviously unhinged but China surprises me.
The Chinese clearly *don't* want the North Korean's to have nukes, although the regime is astonishingly resistant to outside influence even from its few friends. They also don't want the DPRK to collapse, as that would lead to millions of refugees crossing the Yalu, not to mention a very large military organization with no real controls to stir up trouble. Nor do they want a South Korean and American presence right on their border. That the DPRK antagonizes the South Koreans and (especially) the U.S. is a nice bonus, but not really a major policy driver.
The Chinese *could* do major harm to the NK regime, but even if that didn't lead to collapse, it would strip China of what influence it has.
So they prop up Pyongyang as their least bad choice. It's not like they're the first country to prop up an odious regime for strategic reasons.