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Chevrolet Launches "4 Door Corvette"-2014 SS Sedan  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8505 times:

2014 Chevy SS Sport Sedan


Chevrolet is returning to its performance roots with its upcoming SS, the brand's first rear-wheel-drive performance sedan since the mid-1990s Impala SS sedan - and a challenger to Chrysler/Fiat's Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 V-8 powered family sedan models.

General Motors says the SS will produce 415 horsepower from its 6.2 liter V-8 and have a six-speed automatic transmission only (no manual transmission will be offered - a strange decision for such a sporting car, IMHO). Chevy says 0 to 60 mph should happen in 5 seconds. 19 inch wheels, a full leather interior, and a full set of electronic safety nannies (traction control, anti-lock brakes, stability control, lane-departure warning, electronic brake force distribution) are standard equipment.

The four-door SS was introduced today at Daytona International Speedway in Florida, where the NASCAR race car version will make its track debut during the Daytona 500 on Feb. 24.

GM wants to enhance Chevy's performance credibility by adding the SS sedan to a lineup that already includes the Camaro and Corvette.

It should please rear-wheel drive enthusiasts who lamented the loss of the Pontiac G8, another Holden Commodore based sedan on the same platform that garnered solid sales and critical praise from the automotive press before GM killed off the Pontiac brand altogether in 2010.

GM isn't counting on big sales volumes from the SS, which will be imported from Holden in Australia. Consumer demand for big rear wheel drive cars -- luxury or mainstream -- has been declining for years in America, but Chrysler currently has the market all to itself and is realizing substantial profits from its Charger and 300 model line-up.

GM expects the vast majority of Chevy customers who want a large family sedan to choose the new generation front-wheel-drive Impala (based on the current Buick Lacrosse's platform, which is also used by Cadillac for their XTS luxury sedan), which has been completely redesigned for the 2014 model year and will be in American Chevy dealerships in a few months.

The SS moniker comes from the label that designated many high-performance Chevys over the years, starting with a 1957 Corvette prototype race car, and was applied to numerous performance-oriented Chevrolets in the 1960s and 1970s.

Chevy will compete with the Charger SRT8, Chrysler 300 SRT, and the Ford Taurus SHO in the small market for domestic performance sedans. The Charger and 300 both use a 6.4-liter V-8 to produce 470 hp and 470 pounds-feet of torque - the Taurus SHO has a 350 horsepower twin-turbocharged V-6 with an all-wheel drive powertrain.

The SS shares its rear wheel drive platform with the Chevy Camaro, Holden's brand new Commodore, and the Chevy Caprice PPV (which GM imports for sale to U.S. law-enforcement and municipal fleets). Buick also sells a luxury version of the Commodore in China as the Buick Park Avenue.

GM sold more than 23,000 Pontiac G8 sedans in 2009 and said SS sales should be approximately 10,000 next year. Auto industry analysts say that GM's break-even point on the Chevy SS is about 8000 units per year in North America. Prices are expected to be in the $40,000 to $45,000 range when the SS appears at Chevrolet dealers later this year.

2014 Chevy SS rear-quarter


2014 Chevy SS interior


Source: http://media.gm.com/content/media/us.../us/en/2013/Feb/0215-chevy-ss.html


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8482 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
General Motors says the SS will produce 415 horsepower from its 6.2 liter V-8 and have a six-speed automatic transmission
Chevy says 0 to 60 mph should happen in 5 seconds.




Sounds good to me. Kudos to Government Motors.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

I'd rather spend 25 grand less, buy a Caprice PPV and get just about the same drivetrain.


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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10349 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8450 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Chevrolet Launches "4 Door Corvette"-2014 SS Sedan

My god, for a second there I thought they were actually making a 4-door Corvette, like that awful Porsche whatever-it's-called.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

4 door Corvette that's stretching things a bit, it's a freaking Commodore.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Chevy says 0 to 60 mph should happen in 5 seconds.

I'd say closer to 5.7 seconds since it's the same engine as in the VEII which did it in 5.7 for the auto, the manual was slightly slower.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Buick also sells a luxury version of the Commodore in China as the Buick Park Avenue.
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
I'd rather spend 25 grand less, buy a Caprice PPV and get just about the same drivetrain.



$45,000 is a bit steep for a Chevy sedan. Perhaps the Buick Park Avenue version should be sold in the US or they should really dress up this car and sell it as a Cadillac.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Consumer demand for big rear wheel drive cars -- luxury or mainstream -- has been declining for years in America



Most buyers chose their cars by price, looks and practicality. Only those of us 'in the know' will select a rear-drive car but many buyers don't care. I bet most Chrysler 300C and Dodge Charger buyers buy those cars because they are relatively inexpensive, practical, good-looking cars. Yes many of us gear-heads like them and like the fact that they're rear-drive but I doubt that's the reason most bought them.
The "decline" has more to do with government mandated CAFE regulations and many were discontinued despite high profit margins. The article is misleading and makes it sound like consumers don't want them. Meanwhile, Mercedes, Jaguar, Lexus and BMW have no problem selling their rear-drive cars.
I bet if Mercedes went to an all front-drive fleet, many people would still buy them just because of the status associated with the car with the 3-pointed star parked in their driveway.

[Edited 2013-02-16 12:37:14]


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8427 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
(no manual transmission will be offered - a strange decision for such a sporting car, IMHO).

Not these days. Although the SS will be purchased almost exclusively by enthusiasts, even enthusiast cars are having trouble moving manual transmissions. Ferrari has stopped offering conventional manual transmissions on the California after having sold two cars so equipped.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Sounds good to me. Kudos to Government Motors.

Indeed.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 3):
My god, for a second there I thought they were actually making a 4-door Corvette, like that awful Porsche whatever-it's-called.

The Panamera. That car is good enough that it doesn't matter how it looks, and it actually looks pretty good, although not as attractive as its corporate stablemate the A7. But, as consolation, Chevy did lift the Porsche's (and now BMW's) side vent.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
they should really dress up this car and sell it as a Cadillac.

There's really no reason with the new ATS and a new CTS going to be introduced soon.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
I'd rather spend 25 grand less, buy a Caprice PPV and get just about the same drivetrain.

Isn't the PPV only sold to law enforcement agencies?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
$45,000 is a bit steep for a Chevy sedan.

It's an SS car, which of course ups the price tag substantially. To give you an example, the SS versions of the Camaro start at $33,535 (manual transmission) and $37,035 (automatic) respectively while the base version of the Camaro starts at $23,345.


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8403 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 2):
I'd rather spend 25 grand less, buy a Caprice PPV and get just about the same drivetrain.

]

But you'll need to find a Chevy dealer willing to sell you the Caprice PPV. The dealers are strictly forbidden by GM to sell a new Caprice to retail buyers. But you might be able to get a used Caprice from the auction lot if a police department or municipality puts theirs up for sale.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8395 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 7):
It's an SS car, which of course ups the price tag substantially

The SS is priced with the domestic competition. The Dodge Charger SRT8 (which is a fine performance sedan - I've driven one!) is priced at almost $47,000 (with gas guzzler tax and shipping/destination charges). The top-notch audio system in the Dodge (by Harman Kardon) will run another $2000 bucks - the Chevy comes standard with an upmarket Bose system.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Perhaps the Buick Park Avenue version should be sold in the US or they should really dress up this car and sell it as a Cadillac.

You mean like what they did with the Opel Senator which became the Caterra, which was also the basis for this cars predecessor which was a piece of junk, this car like the Caterra is in no way good enough to compete with the Germans, only die hard Australian motoring journalists would try make you think otherwise.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
this car like the Caterra is in no way good enough to compete with the Germans, only die hard Australian motoring journalists would try make you think otherwise.

The SS and SRT8s only measure up to the European (+Lexus IS-F) competition if you account for pricing. An M3 or C63 will blow away the portlier American models, but saving a five digit sum does have an attraction too.

If it were me, I'd save more than that and just find a nice E39 M5.



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User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
I'd say closer to 5.7 seconds since it's the same engine as in the VEII which did it in 5.7 for the auto, the manual was slightly slower.

Horribly slow for 415 horsepower, however being GM I guess I'm not too surprised.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8342 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
I'd say closer to 5.7 seconds since it's the same engine as in the VEII which did it in 5.7 for the auto, the manual was slightly slower.

Which one has a 415 hp engine in it? I can't find one. This site claims the 0-100kph (~62mph) time of 5.6s, with a tested time of 6.3s for the Commodore SSV VEII. But that car only has ~360 hp and 390 lb-ft of torque. The SS has 415 hp, and 415 lb-ft of torque, so a 0-60 time of "around 5s" isn't entirely unreasonable, especially if they were able to shave a little weight off the car.

[Edited 2013-02-16 15:01:52]

User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
45,000 is a bit steep for a Chevy sedan. Perhaps the Buick Park Avenue version should be sold in the US or they should really dress up this car and sell it as a Cadillac.

Cadillac has the next-generation CTS almost ready to go (the new CTS will be larger - based on a stretched wheelbase version of the new ATS' platform). The CTS is now fully sized with the E-class and 5-series, where before it was sized between the 3-series and 5-series. This will give the new CTS much more trunk and rear-seat room - which it needs.

So my thought is the same as yours, 'Fly - that Buick should import their version Commodore as a Buick - the nice big Chinese market full-lux Park Avenue on the 4 inch longer-wheelbase (118 inch) Commodore platform, not the short wheelbase version used by the Chevy SS. But instead of the huge V-8, I would see Buick selling an American Park Avenue with the 310 horsepower 3.6 liter V-6 as the only powertrain. Let Chevy have the "hot rod" version with the V-8 - Buick can have the "quiet-tuned" cruiser as befits Buick's "premium" image - with no "gas guzzler" federal tax assessed on the Park Avenue.

Yes, CAFE standards DO ruin all of the fun....



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

It looks to me to be a Holden Sedan that has been goosed up a bit.

$45K for a mid line GM sedan is a bit much for me, but then I've owned a Commodore in the past. It was an OK car, a pathetic engine (a solid Toyota engine that Holden engineers screwed up with tweaking) and wasn't even that big a step up from the Kingswood.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8305 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 15):
It looks to me to be a Holden Sedan that has been goosed up a bit.

That's because it is a goosed up Holden sedan.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 15):
$45K for a mid line GM sedan is a bit much for me, but then I've owned a Commodore in the past.

That's why Chevy would be more than happy to sell people who think this is too expensive for a Chevy an Impala or Malibu.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 8):
But you'll need to find a Chevy dealer willing to sell you the Caprice PPV. The dealers are strictly forbidden by GM to sell a new Caprice to retail buyers. But you might be able to get a used Caprice from the auction lot if a police department or municipality puts theirs up for sale.

I'm pretty sure this is because these cars are ORDER ONLY. A lot of Chevy dealers who specialize in Police and other municipal vehicles always keep a couple of extra white cars/trucks in stock for instant delivery.

You can't ever do this with a Caprice PPV. You have to order them and when they are ordered they HAVE to have a government buyer or the plant rejects the order. Also, what I understand there is somewhat of a backlog to get them. Nothing horrific, but a few weeks longer than ordering your standard white Impala 9C1.

More and more I see these in the service. The Tennessee State Troopers are about to put some Caprice's on the road. (Those of you around Nashville, they have one proudly parked at the edge but still inside of the motor pool located on the corner of Murfreesboro Rd and Donelson Pk.) But I do know one thing, this crazy "Police Only sales" deal means, at least for now, when you see a Caprice, you see a cop. Please, tell me GM, if I want to give you my money for a Caprice, why don't you want it?

Short off the rails fact here... The last new TN Trooper PI (Ford Crown Vic) got assigned in a different way. Graduating cadets in the academy usually get used cars. The highest performer of one of the classes in 2012 got the last, brand new Police Interceptor.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8281 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 17):
I'm pretty sure this is because these cars are ORDER ONLY. A lot of Chevy dealers who specialize in Police and other municipal vehicles always keep a couple of extra white cars/trucks in stock for instant delivery.

A Chevy dealer in Maryland got into hot water for selling a few "detective special" (unmarked) Caprice PPVs to the general public - before GM headquarters found out about it and put an end to that game. That was when the PPV was first imported to the USA....



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 3):
My god, for a second there I thought they were actually making a 4-door Corvette, like that awful Porsche whatever-it's-called.

Oh God, the Porsche Panamera!! I agree - awful!   



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8266 times:

Interesting the discussion about pricing and $45k being over the odds - the discussion in Oz press is around the fact that it costs $55k here, but only $45k when shipped to the other side of the Pacific....

User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8206 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 20):
Interesting the discussion about pricing and $45k being over the odds - the discussion in Oz press is around the fact that it costs $55k here, but only $45k when shipped to the other side of the Pacific....
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...r-vf-commodore-20130216-2ejoa.html

Interesting that one of the reader comments states that the $45K price for the Chevy version does not include things like registration, local & Gas Guzzler taxes, etc, where the quoted $55K price for the Holden is a 'drive away' price as per Australian Law - All new car prices here must be quoted as a 'drive away' price, inclusive of things like dealer delivery, GST & registration - Registration for something like an SS can be up to $1000 in certain states such as Queensland that have varying registration rates depending on how many cylinders your car has. Thankfully this is not the case here in Victoria (yet). The Holden version of the SS is the same as the Chev, just the Holden Lion badge in place of the Chev bow-tie.

Will be interesting to see what the Fleet pricing will be for one of these, I'm thinking of doing a novated lease through work in the next few months.



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8196 times:

Quoting melpax (Reply 21):
Interesting that one of the reader comments states that the $45K price for the Chevy version does not include things like registration, local & Gas Guzzler taxes, etc, where the quoted $55K price for the Holden is a 'drive away' price as per Australian Law

I did wonder about that - but the truth doesn't sell papers, does it?  

I wonder if it would be cheaper if the drivetrain wasn't shipped to Australia and back again?


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8177 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 15):
It looks to me to be a Holden Sedan that has been goosed up a bit.

That's precisely what it is.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 15):
$45K for a mid line GM sedan is a bit much for me,

If you make the mistake of cross shopping it with an Impala, it is. Really what this is aiming at is competing with the Charger/300 SRT8 and being a cheaper alternative to the M3, C63 AMG, and Lexus IS-F.

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 20):
Interesting the discussion about pricing and $45k being over the odds - the discussion in Oz press is around the fact that it costs $55k here, but only $45k when shipped to the other side of the Pacific....

Aren't pretty much all cars insanely expensive in Australia?

Quoting melpax (Reply 21):
Queensland that have varying registration rates depending on how many cylinders your car has.

Who thinks up dumb ass rules like that?

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 22):
I did wonder about that - but the truth doesn't sell papers, does it?

Usually those things aren't counted in the base price, but are listed in the as-tested prices.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8156 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 14):
The CTS is now fully sized with the E-class and 5-series, where before it was sized between the 3-series and 5-series.


Good to hear.  
Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 14):
So my thought is the same as yours, 'Fly - that Buick should import their version Commodore as a Buick - the nice big Chinese market full-lux Park Avenue on the 4 inch longer-wheelbase (118 inch) Commodore platform, not the short wheelbase version used by the Chevy SS.



  

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 14):
But instead of the huge V-8, I would see Buick selling an American Park Avenue with the 310 horsepower 3.6 liter V-6 as the only powertrain.


No. I want the V8 as an option and leave the V6 for the rental car companies.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 14):
Buick can have the "quiet-tuned" cruiser as befits Buick's "premium" image


...or have a quiet exhaust on the V8 Buick version.
Buick has always had the more premium engines over Chevrolet that shared the same platform.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 14):
no "gas guzzler" federal tax assessed on the Park Avenue.


We need to run out those gawd-damn, treehugging bureaucrats from Washington DC!   

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
You mean like what they did with the Opel Senator which became the Caterra


  
The Catera was a turd and so was the Opel it was based off. The Commodore on the other hand is a much better car than the Catera.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

Here's the SS V8

http://www.digitaltrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/001-holden-commodore-vf-ssv-show-car.jpg


User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

To me an Chevy SS will always be a 2 door car, just like it was way back then.

User currently offlinemelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Aren't pretty much all cars insanely expensive in Australia?

Not all cars. If you look hard enough, you can get a base model Commodore Omega for aroung $26-$27K on the road. Again, if you look around you can get a new, or dealer registered with delivery mileage SS for under $40K if you aren't fussy with the colour or specs.

http://www.carsales.com.au/DesktopDe...6&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~1

Where the real gouging is, is with the euro badges such as BMW, MB & Audi. There is also a Luxury Car Tax of 33% that comes into play for cars with a list price of over $59,133 or over $75,375 if the fuel consumption is under 7litres/100kms.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Who thinks up dumb ass rules like that?

State governments that are hungry for tax revenue. Sames goes for speed cameras.



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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8145 times:

Hey now... This here is a true 4-Door Corvette!
http://i45.tinypic.com/35077yp.jpg


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8101 times:

Quoting melpax (Reply 27):
Where the real gouging is, is with the euro badges such as BMW, MB & Audi. There is also a Luxury Car Tax of 33% that comes into play for cars with a list price of over $59,133 or over $75,375 if the fuel consumption is under 7litres/100kms.

That's sickening.

Quoting melpax (Reply 27):
State governments that are hungry for tax revenue.

Somebody needs to go do donuts in front of the parliament building in a Mitsubishi Evo or something. Automotive taxes are dumb, but doing it based on cylinders is even dumber.



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8093 times:

It's not just tax, I discovered a story recently of a young girl who was going to court and possibly jail because she had driven a turbo car (illegal for young drivers, even if it's a very low power 2 cylinders or something) and not long after a V8 (the old range rover of her boyfriend). Of course being a girl she had no idea about what these engines were to begin with.


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 30):
It's not just tax, I discovered a story recently of a young girl who was going to court and possibly jail because she had driven a turbo car (illegal for young drivers, even if it's a very low power 2 cylinders or something)

So, they'll make people pay for driving a car that has too many cylinders or uses too much fuel, but they'll also punish people for driving a car with a turbocharger?

What are they smoking?



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 30):
It's not just tax, I discovered a story recently of a young girl who was going to court and possibly jail because she had driven a turbo car (illegal for young drivers, even if it's a very low power 2 cylinders or something)

Well that law is going to have to change as turbos become increasing common as a means to improve fuel economy without sacrificing power.


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8026 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 28):
Hey now... This here is a true 4-Door Corvette!

Owww, my eyes are bleeding!!!   



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8005 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Quoting melpax (Reply 21):
Queensland that have varying registration rates depending on how many cylinders your car has.

Who thinks up dumb ass rules like that?

It's the same in Europe. EU car registration taxes and fees are on a rather steep curve tied to engine sizes. That's also one reason why manual transmissions are still so popular in Europe—manuals work better when you've got a small engine in your car.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7989 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 25):
Here's the SS V8

Identical to the Chevy SS - except for Holden badging. I wonder why GM didn't try to give the SS more unique "aggressive" looks - like Pontiac did with the G8 - especially the GTP version, which looked quite sporty in my opinion.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7984 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 34):
That's also one reason why manual transmissions are still so popular in Europe—manuals work better when you've got a small engine in your car.

How do manuals compare to the ever increasing popularity of manufacturers to put CVT's in small engines? I'm thinking the non-shifting CVT's must hold an advantage to both automatic and manually shifting transmissions in small underpowered engines.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3727 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 22):
I wonder if it would be cheaper if the drivetrain wasn't shipped to Australia and back again?

That goes without saying as it removes the opportunity for Holden employees to "lose" the engines.


User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
General Motors says the SS will produce 415 horsepower from its 6.2 liter V-8 and have a six-speed automatic transmission only (no manual transmission will be offered - a strange decision for such a sporting car, IMHO). Chevy says 0 to 60 mph should happen in 5 seconds. 19 inch wheels, a full leather interior, and a full set of electronic safety nannies (traction control, anti-lock brakes, stability control, lane-departure warning, electronic brake force distribution) are standard equipment.

Not that I was really that interested to begin with being English, but I lost interest at this right there.

Way a crappy way to sell a car - it's about choice and options, surely that's where they make their money?


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15835 posts, RR: 27
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 38):
Way a crappy way to sell a car - it's about choice and options, surely that's where they make their money?

They have to build and test it, and it may even require extra crash testing depending on the exact rules. And offering it involves some additional cost in the manufacturing process too. Having options is great, provided people want them. Even on cars for car enthusiasts, manual transmissions have made up a minuscule fraction of sales.



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7826 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 34):
EU car registration taxes and fees are on a rather steep curve tied to engine sizes.

It has all been changed though, now CO2 emissions are the main measure used. Then again EU countries all have a VAT of at least 20% (and increasing), and some of them have special car taxes that are pretty insane (Denmark, 180% tax).



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8773 posts, RR: 3
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7808 times:

Looks like a good car.

Don't forget, Chevy Impala is also new for 2014.

For the first time in 45 years, in 2014 Chevy has a really impressive car lineup. There, I said it.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7783 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 33):
Quoting varigb707 (Reply 28):
Hey now... This here is a true 4-Door Corvette!

Owww, my eyes are bleeding!!!

Actually, California Coachworks made six 4-door variants of the 1980 Corvette; which essentially resembled the then-current 'Vette w/a 30-inch stretch:

Motor Trend mentioned it in its Detroit Report section in late 1979 and Road & Track tested one in an early 1980 issue.

Back to the topic at hand; looks promising, I would love to see one up close & personal.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 36):
How do manuals compare to the ever increasing popularity of manufacturers to put CVT's in small engines? I'm thinking the non-shifting CVT's must hold an advantage to both automatic and manually shifting transmissions in small underpowered engines.
CVT transmissions are "different" animals and I've found that it takes a bit of time to get used to driving a vehicle with a CVT. There is NO shifting with a CVT - as they are no set gears. A CVT has an infinity variable set of pulleys inside them. So the CVT matches gear ratios to engine revolutions per minute (RPMs).

Last weekend, I drove a newish (2012) Nissan Sentra SR sedan with Nissan's X-tronic CVT transmission for two full days. When you really hit the gas pedal in this Sentra (like when climbing a mountain pass north of Phoenix), the engine revs almost right to the redline. Forward "thrust" builds very slowly at first, and then stronger after a few seconds. So, there's times (like merging onto the interstate from a stop at a ramp meter signal) where you have to allow time for the car to power up to merge into a "hole" in high-speed traffic. It's unnerving at first, but I found that I got used to it after a couple of days. Also, Nissan is said to have some of the best CVTs in the industry. They're highly reliable, as opposed to the problematic CVTs is other makers (MINI and GM have both have severe reliability issues with their CVTs in the past) Would I take a CVT over a good traditional 6-speed automatic like I have in my own car if given a choice.... no I wouldn't. I like being able to select a specific gear to fit road conditions when necessary. But I'll admit I like to drive, it's never a chore for me.

But the CVT equipped vehicle will usually get better fuel economy than a car with a traditional automatic, and that's enough for some folks to put up with the "unique" personality of a CVT - and not have to learn to live with a clutch.

[Edited 2013-02-18 13:02:07]


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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8773 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7744 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 43):
But the CVT equipped vehicle will usually get better fuel economy than a car with a traditional automatic, and that's enough for some folks to put up with the "unique" personality of a CVT - and not have to learn to live with a clutch.

Yes. Rumor has it that CVT is less efficient than an automatic OR a manual. (Think about it; a manual has almost no mechanical losses at all).

But, a CVT keeps the engine within its most efficient power band. The result is superior fuel efficiency. As they improve CVT efficiency, it will be the only choice for high efficiency IMO.

Still, for trouble-free durability, I really do like manual cars. The new Nissan CVT are just exceptional though. I rented an Altima Hybrid and it was a great car.


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