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Should Aust Suspend MH-Deporting Aust Senator?  
User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Malaysian Government deports and Australian Senator on arrival at KL over the weekend as he was perceived to be a security risk. The first Australian Parliamentarian ever to be deported from any country and he was part of a multi-party visit to Malaysia. Senator Xenaphon has an interest in ensuring democracy.

Should the Australian government suspend MH rights to fly into Australia in response?

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...aysia/story-e6frfku9-1226579615962

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...nophon-returns-20130217-2ekrb.html

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5177 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

I heard about this on the news this morning, and honestly could not believe it!

I'm not sure what the Malaysian Government is playing at, but deporting an Australian Senator could have caused them a pretty significant diplomatic headache.

I would like to think the Australian Government responds appropriately, and rigorously, but I do think that suspending trade (including bilateral air rights) with Malaysia is going a bit far. I'm sure MH will be unaffected.



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User currently offlineAngMoh From Singapore, joined Nov 2011, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting AusA380 (Thread starter):

Should the Australian government suspend MH rights to fly into Australia in response?

I think the Dutch government should suspend QF rights to fly into the EU in response to Australia refusing entry to Dutch MP Geert Wilders for being a security risk...

This kind of stuff happens all the time everywhere. It keeps diplomats employed   .


User currently offlinefiscal From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1455 times:

Not really an aviation issue though...

User currently offlinechrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1068 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

My question is after seeing some of the photos, why was he at the LCCT terminal? Did he fly AisAsia X?


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User currently onlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

He was not visiting Malaysia on official government business so the Malaysian government can do as they please. It is a non-issue (diplomatically)...

User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1285 times:

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 2):
I think the Dutch government should suspend QF rights to fly into the EU in response to Australia refusing entry to Dutch MP Geert Wilders for being a security risk...

He is being allowed to travel into Australia and provided public speeches.

http://www.news.com.au/national/im-n...-tour/story-fncynjr2-1226579445521


User currently offlineAusA380 From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1268 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 5):
It is a non-issue (diplomatically)...

I am sure if one of the US Senators was on a visit to Malaysia with meetings with Government and Opposition leaders and was denied entry it would be a diplomatic issue.

Bearing in mind that there were two other members of the Australian Parliament also visiting as part of the same meetings (just arriving a day later)


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1196 times:

I can't see what benefit would come from denying MH access to Australian ports. The immediate response from Malaysia would probably be to bar Australian carriers. Can Australia afford to encourage more passengers to fly with SQ, TG or GA?

Australia, on a daily basis, refuses access to people, incarcerating them and shipping them to a camp in Nauru. All that has happened to Xenophon is that he was put on the next available flight to Australia. Ruffled feathers might warrant a protest from Canberra (and a hint that Malaysian MPs could find themselves in a similar position) but it does not call for disruption of aviation services.


User currently onlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1169 times:

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 7):

I am sure if one of the US Senators was on a visit to Malaysia with meetings with Government and Opposition leaders and was denied entry it would be a diplomatic issue.

Bearing in mind that there were two other members of the Australian Parliament also visiting as part of the same meetings (just arriving a day later)

If the senators were on some sort of official visit, yes it would be a diplomatic issue. But if some US Senators took it upon themselves to inject themselves into the internal politics of another country and got deported it would be a non-issue.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 943 times:

Many governments can exclude people entering their countries for various reasons:
Don't have a proper passport or a valid visa.
Have a criminal record in their home country of a level unacceptable to the country entering, especially any conviction for illegal drugs.
Don't have a return or onward travel ticket or insufficient funds or access to funds.
Having a serious Illness or having a contagious disease.
Violations of customs laws.
Those believed to be entering the country illegally in general or to work without the proper papers.

Then there can be political reasons like if have expressed anti-Islamic views or against the the controlling government or to enter to promote an social, political or religious view that is unacceptable to those that control the government.

Just because you are an elected or appointed political official doesn't guarantee you entry to bypass national standards for entry to any other country. I would like to know the specifics at to the denial of entry of this Australian MP, if for acceptable causes or political.


User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1486 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 853 times:

Funny how diplomatic relations between Australia and Malaysia seem to resemble a roller coaster ride. There was a time when a former Malaysian Prime Minister was labelled "recalcitrant" by Australia and things took a dip. Did Australia not recently attempted to sign some form of agreement with Malaysia relating to housing refugees trying to get into Australia? And in spite of failed attempts (twice actually) to achieve some form of partnership between Qantas and Malaysia Airlines, the former is the sponsor airline for Malaysia Airlines entry into oneworld.

Maybe we will in future see Malaysian officials travelling to Australia to talk to the opposition and cast doubt over the credibility of Australia's elections.

The wonderful world of international diplomacy.

KC Sim


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 796 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 10):
I would like to know the specifics at to the denial of entry of this Australian MP, if for acceptable causes or political.

Xenophon has visited Malaysia before conducting reviews of electoral laws and practice as part of the International Observers Group, as well as observing the trial of Anwar Ibrahim. The fact that he and two other Australian MPs had arranged to meet with a Minister in the Malaysian Government, as well as with Anwar Ibrahim and Ambiga Sreenivasan, suggests that the decsion to deny entry and to deport was made on political grounds.

You might like to read the following pieces which provide some background - http://theconversation.edu.au/xenoph...re-and-two-looming-elections-12254
http://www.nickxenophon.com.au/Uploa...avel%20Report%20Malaysia%20May.pdf


User currently offlineairpearl From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 943 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 786 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 12):
suggests that the decsion to deny entry and to deport was made on political grounds.

That's precisely right. This incident has almost nothing to do with Australia-Malaysia bilateral relations and everything to do with local politics in Malaysia. A general election is about to called and perhaps for the first time in the country's history, the ruling coalition is at risk of losing. Xenophon, who is seen as supporting change in Malaysia, is just caught in the cross fire. This deportation comes as part of the current government's series of increasingly desperate attempts at curbing dissent - that have invariably ended with shooting itself in the foot every time.

Getting back to the topic of aviation, suspending MH could be a tad drastic I feel, and I'm not sure whipping up nationalistic sentiment in Malaysia at this time would help the cause for change.

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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 764 times:

I can see some sort of diplomatic letter, certainly not anything as drastic as suspending MH rights. Xenophon is an independent thorn in the side of both Government and opposition in Australia, and Australia is very aware of Malaysian politics.

It does look to be a desperate, politically motivated act on the part of the Malaysian Government.


User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 736 times:

Quoting chrisrad (Reply 4):
My question is after seeing some of the photos, why was he at the LCCT terminal? Did he fly AisAsia X?

First reports i have seen did mention he was flying Air Asia X and would be sent back on them too. I'm pretty sure it was also reported on www.news.com.au but the link the OP provided is a bit different from the first reports i have seen.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 680 times:

Quoting AusA380 (Thread starter):
Should the Australian government suspend MH rights to fly into Australia in response?

What, why? Talk about escalating the situation. Malaysia made a mistake, acted dumb, or there is actually a legit reason why they did this. Either way, denying MH into Australia would be childish and pointless, and what would that accomplish? Stick it to Malaysia?



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User currently offlineicanfly From Australia, joined Aug 2011, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 6 days ago) and read 585 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 8):
Australia, on a daily basis, refuses access to people,

  

Australia is equally ruthless when it comes to refusing entry to people it deems a "threat". I have no doubt the Australian Government would deny entry to a Malaysian who had aggressively criticized Australia. The only difference is that foreigners generally require a visa to enter Australia, so the refusal happens at the visa application stage and is not particularly newsworthy. As a result, there's no dramatic deportation at the airport because the person was not even allowed on to the plane.



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