varigb707 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1220 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 months 19 hours ago) and read 1815 times:
You and 2 other people have survived a plane crash or a ship wreck. The three of you are on a boat in the middle of the ocean somewhere...
You will have to choose one person (except you, of course) to push it off the boat. The other two are :
- Jenny MacCarthy and Carmen Elektra. Which one will you choose?
n229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1850 posts, RR: 36 Reply 4, posted (3 months 17 hours ago) and read 1705 times:
Not a difficult choice for me. I don't find either particularly attractive or interesting. But Jenny McCarthy is repsonsible for God knows how many kids getting sick and dying with her ridiculous campaign against childhood vaccinations. So Bye Bye Jenny.
But what if they both ganged up and killed me to feed off my flesh!
Now, put on Kate Beckinsale and Rhona Mitra instead and it would be a very hard choice. Hell, I'd offer to jump overboard to save both of them for the good of humanity.
AF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 572 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1502 times:
I'd be jumping off the boat.
Now if the choice was between Mila Kunis, Emma Stone or Kristen Bell... I'd have to "interview" the three of them before choosing. It would be a LONG interview process with MANY interviews.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5286 posts, RR: 48 Reply 9, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1481 times:
Uh I think I'd push them both off. If I had to pick one, I'd pick the first one (whoever she is, Jenny?)
RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6276 posts, RR: 23 Reply 10, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1478 times:
I would push off which ever one of them wasn't up for a last chance roll about. That's assuming they didn't just gang up on me and shove me off for proposing such a thing.
zckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 776 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1453 times:
Quoting n229nw (Reply 4): Not a difficult choice for me. I don't find either particularly attractive or interesting. But Jenny McCarthy is repsonsible for God knows how many kids getting sick and dying with her ridiculous campaign against childhood vaccinations. So Bye Bye Jenny.
Not to take this too far off topic (but I will), Jenny McCarthy should not be demonized (at least not for her anti-vaccine stance).
Blame Wakefield if you want- he was the one who endangered children's lives for his own financial benefit. Blame those with a scientific background who should have known better but decided instead to sacrifice lives on the alter of their own ego. I genuinely don't believe Jenny McCarthy is one of them though.
The scientific community IMO is far too quick to react dismissively to those without the necessary tools to discriminate between Wakefield's "science" and real science. Try looking at Jenny McCarthy as an angry and frightened mother, looking for answers where there are none. People take advantage of her to further their own aims, and promise all sorts of fanciful cures for her son. If it were my son, I'd probably want to believe them too.
I dislike Jenny McCarthy for her vapidity and her general personality (at least what I see of it on TV), but I don't think it's fair to blame her for XXXX number of deaths, nor do I think it furthers the image of scientists in general. This kind of lofty disdain is why the anti-science movement has become so strong in this country, and why such a tribal and internecine atmosphere exists.
If you're not sure whether to use a piece of punctuation, it's best not to.
Are you guys related? I think I just realized you are two different posters...
Quoting zckls04 (Reply 13): Try looking at Jenny McCarthy as an angry and frightened mother, looking for answers where there are none.
Sure, I don't blame her personally for all those deaths. Parents make mistakes, too. I know, I am one. However, I do think that it is irresponsible to publicly endorse and campaign heavily for something so dangerous when you have no idea what you are talking about.
Quoting zckls04 (Reply 13): This kind of lofty disdain is why the anti-science movement has become so strong in this country
Well, the anti-vaccine movement is the anti-science movement. The parents I know who are part of it also tend to believe in various conspiracy theories...
I don't see how disdaining a lack of real critical thinking is going to fuel the lack of critical thinking. I agree that people like Richard Dawkins can come off so cocky that they alienate. But there is a way to argue and be engaged without being so condescending. It's a debate that needs to be out in the open, in a case where it affects the health of young children. Not just, "well you believe what you want..."
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6201 posts, RR: 43 Reply 17, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
Why would I have to choose someone to push off the boat? If all 3 of us are in it at one point there would seem to be need to dispose of one.
What is it with all the "is there a possibilty airline X will.." threads? The answer it'll is possible.
zckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 776 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1317 times:
Quoting n229nw (Reply 14): I don't see how disdaining a lack of real critical thinking is going to fuel the lack of critical thinking. I agree that people like Richard Dawkins can come off so cocky that they alienate. But there is a way to argue and be engaged without being so condescending.
My point being that jennymccarthybodycount.com is not that way.
Quoting n229nw (Reply 14): I don't see how disdaining a lack of real critical thinking is going to fuel the lack of critical thinking.
Disdain leads to complacency. Complacency leads to mistakes and mistakes lead to lack of public trust. Lack of public trust is why some parents I know believe fervently that the person they should trust when considering their child's health is a woman whose growler is googleable.
I think though that the target is often the wrong person. Jenny McCarthy should not be the focus of your ire, because she is essentially choosing between two different groups of indistinguishable people and trusting the one which gives her hope (which of course happens to be the wrong one). That is perfectly defensible. What is NOT defensible is:
1) Wakefield and his ilk
2) Broadcasters (CNN and FOX are the worst offenders) who consider that after speaking to a well-respected, educated person who has spent their life studying the subject, they should (in the name of "balance") turn to a Playboy model, and give equal weight to her views without any rigorous argument.
Quoting n229nw (Reply 14): Well, the anti-vaccine movement is the anti-science movement. The parents I know who are part of it also tend to believe in various conspiracy theories...
Why do you suppose those beliefs have become more popular these days?
If you're not sure whether to use a piece of punctuation, it's best not to.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12559 posts, RR: 64 Reply 19, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1291 times:
I'd choose Jenny McCarthy, hands-down. At age 40 she still puts most women to shame:
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12559 posts, RR: 64 Reply 22, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
Quoting kiwirob (Reply 21): I'd take Carmen, I don't want top go anywhere Jim Cary has gone before.
Uhm, ok...but yet you're somehow fine with going where Dennis Rodman and Dave Navarro (among others!) have been before?
And unlike Jenny with Jim Carrey, she wasn't just doing these human petri dishes - she MARRIED them!
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
25 L0VE2FLY: I'm sure their weirdness goes far beyond just looks.
26 DocLightning: Jenny McCarthy. In an instant. That woman is responsible for more morbidity and mortality with her anti-vaccine quasi-religious raving. She "cured" h
27 zckls04: Not wrong- you just misunderstand me. She's looking for answers as to why her son is autistic, where there is no simple answer. Everybody always want
29 PC12Fan: As a friend of mine says - "why choose?!". As far as the other discussion of this thread, I will say that Jenny should know better by now. The origin
30 DocLightning: No. I am disagreeing with this. She isn't looking for a damned thing. She's looking for fame and attention and adoration because she's a narcissistic
31 zckls04: All supposition. You are ascribing motives to a woman you've never met and have no insight into. (FTR I believe she is stupid but I don't believe she
32 mandala499: I agree! OK, send her here... I can make a load of money by paying her to appear on TV for alternative medicine (read: scam), and maybe sell her spar
33 L0VE2FLY: No, we're not related. We just L0VE2FLY! Lucky for you this a.netter is not active: http://www.airliners.net/profile/love2fly
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