Rara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 1823 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3533 times:
Always a great idea to institute a ban of which you already know that a majority of the population is going to ignore it. All it does is moving people over to the illegal side of things, making regulation neigh-impossible and exposing people to shady business-makers and dubious software.
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RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6280 posts, RR: 23 Reply 3, posted (3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3521 times:
Wow. A very bad idea indeed. There of course needs to be great effort to curb the spread of child porn and other sorts of abusive material, but to prohibit posession or viewing of porn comprising consensual acts between adults is just daft. Measures to prevent children accessing porn are sensible, but that does not have to mean banning access for everyone. Any kind of legislation that immediately criminalises a large section of the population is inherently quite silly, particularly when it involves the satisfaction of what is ultimately a pretty natural desire.
Also, how is banning the use of credit cards for paying to access porn going to protect children from viewing it? Do many children in Iceland have credit cards?
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 4, posted (3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3519 times:
From the article:
Quote: A member of the parliament committee studying the issue, Jonsdottir says a porn ban has "near zero" chance of passing parliament and that she's working to find other ways the government can help protect children from Web porn.
I'll believe it when I see it.
You might as well ban prostitution. Oh wait... we did. And, voila! There is no more prostitution! *deadpan*
RussianJet From Kazakhstan, joined Jul 2007, 6280 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3399 times:
Quoting seb146 (Reply 5): How long until the men of Iceland take to the streets in protest?
What, naked, en masse with a huge porn banner, furiously beating their meat as they go? Let's just hope that doesn't have to happen. Nobody wants to see that.
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seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9822 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3395 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 7): What, naked, en masse with a huge porn banner, furiously beating their meat as they go? Let's just hope that doesn't have to happen. Nobody wants to see that.
Really? I have seen some of those Icelandic men. I wouldn't mind taking a peek at that.
pvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3292 times:
Yeah another totally stupid idea, a bit like banning of prostitution indeed, never works.
I feel huge amount of politicians especially around Nordic countries & Finland have absolutely no idea about what they are doing, they totally ignore all the realities of the world.
An unprecedented move for a Western country. Printing and distribution of porn has been banned for years in the island nation.
Well, good luck with that. I have always thought that porn was really the inspiration for the first primitive browsers -- guys sending racy pics of their g.f.'s to other grad students. No matter what the law might say, or tech fixes put in, I think I'm on reasonable ground in predicting porn will stay a step ahead.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4787 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3215 times:
Actually porn was sent via newsgroups and bulletin boards years before the creation of the web. Mostly by students and professors yes, since the internet was mainly present at universities.
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dc9northwest From Romania, joined Feb 2007, 1735 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3086 times:
I don't know how this would work considering there exist ways to circumvent IP bans.
They seem to be rubbing the mint right about now, in Iceland.
Quoting pvjin (Reply 11): I feel huge amount of politicians especially around Nordic countries & Finland have absolutely no idea about what they are doing, they totally ignore all the realities of the world.
No, that's not politicians in the Nordic countries, that's politicians everywhere
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 17, posted (3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3066 times:
Is this an actual proposal or is it one of those "TX is considering seceding" proposals (even though .01% or so of the population actually supported it?)
scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11360 posts, RR: 50 Reply 18, posted (3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3060 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 3): Also, how is banning the use of credit cards for paying to access porn going to protect children from viewing it? Do many children in Iceland have credit cards?
Regardless of whether of not Iclandic kids have credit cards, two of the biggest porn sites on the internet require no payment. Er, so I'm told.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 19, posted (3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3055 times:
Quoting scbriml (Reply 18): Regardless of whether of not Iclandic kids have credit cards, two of the biggest porn sites on the internet require no payment. Er, so I'm told.
For real, google image and video search is all a kid ever needs. Plus kids are so imaginative at that age that they can look up medical pics, nudist colonies, art, unclothed civilizations, etc and 'corrupt' themselves that way, and I highly doubt any politician would go as far as banning art that shows boobs, but you never know
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 21, posted (3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2981 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 13): Actually porn was sent via newsgroups and bulletin boards years before the creation of the web. Mostly by students and professors yes, since the internet was mainly present at universities.
Oh, indeed, porn preceded browsers by quite a while. In fact, it was only 2 years after the first moving pictures (16 frames/sec) in about 1890 or so that the first 'dirty' films were being made. So porn has been around a long time. But browsers made it so much more convenient.
I remember using arpanet and milnet 30+ years ago, just getting into discussion groups, it was fantastic. But then when NCSA released their initial browser, MOSAIC, it was like a veil being raised from my eyes.
2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 6935 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
I guess as the old saying goes "You know it when you see it" but aside from this how do they in the Iceland government define porn and how far does it go? I think everyone is in favor of banning child porn and certainly the vast majority wants to to see animal torture and bestiality banned from the net, laws are already in place for most of that around the world, this is a non-starter. The problem is, on top of the absurdity of this policy is how is it defined? Do they mean hard-core, fetish, voyeur or does it go all the way to soft-core and pictures of virtually any women that could cause someone to become aroused?
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rwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1989 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2829 times:
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 21): Oh, indeed, porn preceded browsers by quite a while. In fact, it was only 2 years after the first moving pictures (16 frames/sec) in about 1890 or so that the first 'dirty' films were being made. So porn has been around a long time. But browsers made it so much more convenient.
Porn was done on praxinoscopes (think flip-book viewer) well before that.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4787 posts, RR: 9 Reply 25, posted (3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2890 times:
Quoting 2707200X (Reply 22): Do they mean hard-core, fetish, voyeur or does it go all the way to soft-core and pictures of virtually any women that could cause someone to become aroused?
Good point. Is the beginning of "Flight" with a nice naked female F/A porn ?
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aero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3070 posts, RR: 23 Reply 26, posted (3 months 1 day ago) and read 2870 times:
I had seen this coming as now the rate of posession of child pornography, child molestation/assault and adult rape in Iceland is quite high, if not the highest ever. I don’t agree that the ways in the articles are the right ways but as I cannot come up with a better idea to minimise the molestation rates, I am not the one to criticise Ögmundur’s ideas.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4787 posts, RR: 9 Reply 28, posted (3 months 23 hours ago) and read 2893 times:
Quoting aero145 (Reply 26): I had seen this coming as now the rate of posession of child pornography, child molestation/assault and adult rape in Iceland is quite high, if not the highest ever.
Well if this is already illegal, how is banning currently legal porn going to help ? Does banning tobacco help fight against marijuana ?
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 29, posted (3 months 21 hours ago) and read 2869 times:
Quoting aero145 (Reply 26): I had seen this coming as now the rate of posession of child pornography, child molestation/assault and adult rape in Iceland is quite high, if not the highest ever. I don’t agree that the ways in the articles are the right ways but as I cannot come up with a better idea to minimise the molestation rates, I am not the one to criticise Ögmundur’s ideas.
So you'll ban legal, ok porn to fight already illegal porn? How does that make sense?
aero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3070 posts, RR: 23 Reply 30, posted (3 months 21 hours ago) and read 2875 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 28): Well if this is already illegal, how is banning currently legal porn going to help ?
In Iceland, internet porn isn’t, per se, illegal. The law, passed in 1940, states that someone who publishes pornography shall be sent to gaol for six months. Same applies to anybody who distributes porn published on paper and as films. The law wasn’t changed when the internet became common (and thus internet pornography) so it isn’t illegal to watch porn films on the internet.
pvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 31, posted (3 months 21 hours ago) and read 2873 times:
Quoting aero145 (Reply 26):
I had seen this coming as now the rate of posession of child pornography, child molestation/assault and adult rape in Iceland is quite high, if not the highest ever. I don’t agree that the ways in the articles are the right ways but as I cannot come up with a better idea to minimise the molestation rates, I am not the one to criticise Ögmundur’s ideas.
It just means that Iceland has a lot of people with something seriously wrong in their head. Instead of banning porn the government should sure concentrate on catching and then treating these people. It's insane to think banning porn would reduce amount of pedophiles and rapists or decrease molestation rates.
fraspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10 Reply 33, posted (3 months 14 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 16): I don't know how this would work considering there exist ways to circumvent IP bans.
Agree... I'm in South Korea and they ban internet pornography but there are ways around that. I for example have a VPN... not that that's what I use it for. I swear! I only watch netflix with it!!!
"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak."
L0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 179 posts, RR: 0 Reply 34, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
Quoting aero145 (Reply 30): In Iceland, internet porn isn%u2019t, per se, illegal. The law, passed in 1940, states that someone who publishes pornography shall be sent to gaol for six months. Same applies to anybody who distributes porn published on paper and as films. The law wasn%u2019t changed when the internet became common (and thus internet pornography) so it isn%u2019t illegal to watch porn films on the internet.
Smuggling and distributing pornographic material must've been a thriving business in the pre-internet years.
Quoting fraspotter (Reply 33): Agree... I'm in South Korea and they ban internet pornography but there are ways around that. I for example have a VPN... not that that's what I use it for. I swear! I only watch netflix with it!!!
Don't worry, we won't tell anyone Looks like South Korea is more strict than I thought.
zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4724 posts, RR: 13 Reply 37, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2340 times:
So important. Doesn't Iceland have other more important issues to face such as economic collapse, rapidly radically chaning climate? If this happens it will be another example of misguided prohibition. And we all know how well prohibition works. With this outlet blocked who knows what will happen in Iceland. Something tells me what happens in Iceland will not stay in Iceland. And now Nanny Bloomberg of New York will get ideas to ban/block another facet of today's society.
prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6019 posts, RR: 55 Reply 38, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2334 times:
Quoting Fallap (Reply 14): This would never had happened if Iceland declared indepence from Denmark in 1944.
Thanks a lot Hitler....
This has absolutely nothing with Hitler to do. If you want to blame someone, blame King Christian X who handed over the Home Rule law in 1918 specifying that Iceland should aim for independence in 25 years (1943).
Hitler prevented the King from taking part in the celebrations 17 June 1944 on the Thingvellir Plains, that's all. But the King did send a telegram wishing the new country good luck. The new president read it for most of the Icelandic population on the Thingvellir Plains - in rain.
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 37): Doesn't Iceland have other more important issues to face such as economic collapse
soon7x7 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 2798 posts, RR: 14 Reply 39, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2281 times:
Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 16): No, that's not politicians in the Nordic countries, that's politicians everywhere
And in the end...(no pun intended)...who are the ones that get caught in scandalous sexual escapades with either young children or hookers...the very politicians that legislated the laws in the first place...Make it stop!
zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 4724 posts, RR: 13 Reply 40, posted (2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 38): They are still hoping. That's the reason why they all drive monster size SUVs.
Even the women from Iceland tend to be Amazons, so they'd gravitate toward those big assed SUV's.
hoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2668 posts, RR: 54 Reply 42, posted (2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2053 times:
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Quoting fraspotter (Reply 33): Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 16):
Agree... I'm in South Korea and they ban internet pornography but there are ways around that. I for example have a VPN... not that that's what I use it for. I swear! I only watch netflix with it!!!
Huh?
Porn sites are easily accessible in Korea without any VPNs or proxies.
The only thing is that there are stringent age verification systems in place for native (Korean) porn websites.
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Actually, the situation in which Iceland is nowadays is not much better than the crisis in 2008!
Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 38): They are still hoping. That's the reason why they all drive monster size SUVs.
How long has it been since you visited Iceland, how long did you stay and how much did you see of the country? I suspect there are more monster-SUV’s per capita in Iceland than in Denmark but there aren’t as many of these vehicles as you suggest – in case such a monster is in the vicinity it’s likely that one will notice it, I mean…after all, it stands out!
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 40): Even the women from Iceland tend to be Amazons
Amazons? You mean the Amazon natives which often cut their breasts off? Or you mean tall ladies? Of the thousands of Icelandic ladies I’ve seen, few were very small, but few were extremely tall…go to Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands…even Germany, and I suspect the women will look pretty similar. That’s at least my opinion, and I’ve been in all of these countries numerous times.
prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6019 posts, RR: 55 Reply 45, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1926 times:
Quoting aero145 (Reply 44): Actually, the situation in which Iceland is nowadays is not much better than the crisis in 2008!
Some of my Icelandic friends tell me the same thing. But when getting into details, then they confess that they compare to the boom and gloom years 2006-2007 when Iceland acted as if they owned the world. Those days will never be back, hopefully, because it always ends the way it did in 2008.
Iceland is doing pretty well these days, even if the "hangover" hasn't totally disappeared in all respects.
Quoting aero145 (Reply 44): How long has it been since you visited Iceland
Five months.
Quoting aero145 (Reply 44): how long did you stay and how much did you see of the country
Roughly 14 months in total spread over 38 visits. I still miss to have visited the north-west fjords region.
Quoting aero145 (Reply 44): suspect there are more monster-SUV’s per capita in Iceland than in Denmark but there aren’t as many of these vehicles as you suggest
Percentage of monster-SUVs has declined during the last decade or two. Back in the 90'es they were more of a status symbol for the "kids". Monster-SUVs don't exist in Denmark. They cannot be approved for road traffic. (Maybe they could tecnically be approved as commercial vehicles, but that isn't relevant).
Quoting aero145 (Reply 44): Amazons? You mean the Amazon natives which often cut their breasts off?
Around the world there may be different interpretations of the word "amazon" when related women. Here in Denmark I think the general interpretation would be something big, heavy, noisy (without any geographical relations) and maybe a few more adjectives, the use of which is inappropriate on this forum. That interpretation is extremely faulty when used as a generic description of Icelandic women.
Bless.
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NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 5 Reply 46, posted (2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1865 times:
Quoting L0VE2FLY (Thread starter): An unprecedented move for a Western country. Printing and distribution of porn has been banned for years in the island nation.
L0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 179 posts, RR: 0 Reply 47, posted (2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1523 times:
Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 45): Around the world there may be different interpretations of the word "amazon" when related women. Here in Denmark I think the general interpretation would be something big, heavy, noisy (without any geographical relations) and maybe a few more adjectives, the use of which is inappropriate on this forum. That interpretation is extremely faulty when used as a generic description of Icelandic women.
That's the most common interpretation of Amazon woman almost everywhere, I don't think the Icelandic women are taller or any less feminine than other Caucasian women.
The most left-leaning ("socialist" in American political vernacular) first world nations, the Nordic states of Europe, have surprising similarities with the most right-leaning parts of the first world, which is what I call places like Texas or Kansas. Prostitution is aggressively illegal and porn is under attack. Different justifications: the Right relies on God and the Left makes a religion of atheism, but eventually they both seek to outlaw the same things.
The poltical continuum is proven again: the far left and far right meet in the same type government which seeks to
1. impose morality upon the individual ///RIGHT wing spiritual justification
2. protect the individual from their own bad decisiosn ///LEFT wing intellectual justification
....Too many on the Left don't see this and imagine it is only the Right (when at extremes) that interferes in the very personal.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5303 posts, RR: 47 Reply 50, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1311 times:
Quoting Pu (Reply 49): The poltical continuum is proven again: the far left and far right meet in the same type government which seeks to
1. impose morality upon the individual ///RIGHT wing spiritual justification
2. protect the individual from their own bad decisiosn ///LEFT wing intellectual justification
....Too many on the Left don't see this and imagine it is only the Right (when at extremes) that interferes in the very personal.
Which scares me, I see culture generally moving more and more left. Not saying that's bad necessarily, but looking all the way left (to Scandinavia, I think that's as left as you can get) some of the nanny government crap scares me. Like Mayor Bloomberg... I drink probably 32oz of soda a year, but if I want to drink a 32oz of soda a meal, let me kill myself
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