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Pope Benedict XVI To Resign Part 2  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4404 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4649 times:
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As the previous thread was quite lenghty and hard to load for some of our members please continue the discussion here.

Part 1:
Pope Benedict XVI To Resign (by andrej Feb 11 2013 in Non Aviation)


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

The next pope should be Irish. I would like the Pope of Greenwich Village, Mickey Rourke, as the next pontiff.

...or perhaps Cardinal Roger Mahony or Mgsr. Thomas Curry, neither one is busy right now.



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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2156 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

The greatest Pope of my lifetime, I wish His Holiness well and blessings be upon him

-a



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4569 times:

Looks like Pope BXVI wants to make some changes before resignation time.

La Stampa:

20/02/2013
Il Papa si appresta a modificare le procedure del Conclave

The Pope is preparing to change the procedures in the conclave

Translation
"The Pope is considering posting a Motu Proprio, in the next few days, obviously before the seat becomes vacant, to clarify some particular points of the Apostolic Constitution on the Conclave (Universi Dominici Gregis, ndr) that in recent years had been presented".
The announcement came in late morning by the Vatican spokesman, father Federico Lombardi, after anticipating this morning to Vatican Insider. The Director of the Vatican Press Office noted, however, did not know if Pope Ratzinger "deems necessary or appropriate to make a clarification on the issue of the time of the beginning of the Conclave. If and when the document is released we'll see ".

Link to the story in Italian
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/va...o/vaticano-vatican-vaticano-22499/


Cardinals with the easy Tweets

Timothy Dolan leads the pack with 82,000 followers
Gianfranco Ravasi comes second with 38,000 followers
Bronze medal winner is Odilo Scherer from Brazil with 23,000 followers
Angelo Scola gets 4th place with 18,000 followers
Sean Patrick O’Malley Archbishop of Boston gets 5th place with 10,000 followers
Norberto Rivera Archbishop of Mexico claims the 6th place with 4,000 fans
Cardinal Napier Achbishop of Durban S.A. gets 7th place with 3,400 fans
Rubén Salazar Gómez, Bogotà, Colombia gets 8th place with some 3,000 followers
Seguono Sistach, Archbishop of Barcelona is 9th with some 2,600 fans
Roger Mahony the controversial former Archbishop of Los Angeles is in 10th place with 559 followers.

Some few days ago Mahony said he was ready to leave for Rome. I will tweet every day said Mahony.
The question is: will he be the Mole?

Link to the article in Italian:
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/ne...olo/twitter-twitter-twitter-22512/

 Wow!  



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Cardinals with the easy Tweets

Ah I forgot that the next Pope gets elected by the number of Twitter followers  



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Some few days ago Mahony said he was ready to leave for Rome.

Just like Cardinal Law of Boston, he wants to be one step ahead of the law (no pun intended).



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
Ah I forgot that the next Pope gets elected by the number of Twitter followers

Dolan is probably one of the most open minded cardinals among them in the conclave so I would not mind that he become the next Pope. The trouble is they will probably choose another conservative.

 



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20641 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
I would not mind that he become the next Pope.

Why would it really matter who is pope to non-Catholics?



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4544 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Why would it really matter who is pope to non-Catholics?

Because he has Millions of followers all over the world especially in poor countries so what he will do and what choices he makes is very important. One Billion is 1000 Millions if I am right. So a leader of One Billion people isn't just nothing.

from wiki:
The Catholic Church, also known as the Roman Catholic Church, is the world's largest Christian Church, with more than one billion members worldwide.[1] It is among the oldest institutions in the world and has played a prominent role in the history of Western civilisation.[2] The Catholic hierarchy is led by the Pope and includes cardinals, patriarchs and diocesan bishops.

more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

Better be a good man rather than a corrupt man with a bad image.

  



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20641 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Yes, I am familiar with the Catholic church, but thanks for the wiki link regardless.  

I just don't see how the election of Pope Benedict was better or worse for non-Catholics than any of the other choices at the time, nor how any on the current list would have any bearing on my daily life as a non-Catholic.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

According to Forbes list the Pope is the 5th most powerful person in the world.
This is a list that can be taken seriously.

http://www.forbes.com/profile/pope-benedict-xvi/

4th is Bill Gates
3rd is Vladimir Putin
2nd is Angela Merkel
1st is Barack Obama

  



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20641 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
This is a list that can be taken seriously.

It seems as if my question of what the effect one pope over another would have over my daily life as a non-Catholic is unanswerable.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 11):
It seems as if my question of what the effect one pope over another would have over my daily life as a non-Catholic

No one is forcing you to follow the Pope or any other religious leader for that fact but he is certainly the most respected religious leader worldwide - for right or wrong.

If I was asked to choose as a Western woman I would certainly rather the Pope than Shariah.

Good thing I can still choose to go my own way.

 Wow!



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20641 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
No one is forcing you to follow the Pope or any other religious leader for that fact but he is certainly the most respected religious leader worldwide - for right or wrong.

I marginally follow the goings on in the Vatican as it pertains to current events. When you said you wouldn't mind Dolan becoming the next pope, I asked what difference it would make one way or another to non-Catholics which candidate is chosen, as I've never seen one.

My curiosity has been satisfied now—it is either an unanswerable question or it makes no difference at all.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
I just don't see how the election of Pope Benedict was better or worse for non-Catholics than any of the other choices at the time, nor how any on the current list would have any bearing on my daily life as a non-Catholic.

Becasue in the USA, Catholics vote, and those votes affect the leaders and laws of the land. So if the Pope gives permission for women to use contraceptives, or allows women into leadership, or allows Priests to marry, or introduces excommunication with liability for Priests that molest.... Well that will greatly affect how millions of Catholics will vote. And don't kid yourself that this would not affect those votes (or actions within their respective communities).

Tugg



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20641 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 14):
So if the Pope gives permission for women to use contraceptives, or allows women into leadership, or allows Priests to marry, or introduces excommunication with liability for Priests that molest.... Well that will greatly affect how millions of Catholics will vote.

Thank you, interesting perspective. I may still be coming from the basis of that Catholics don't have that much of an effect upon politics, emanating from JFK being considered unelectable due to being Catholic (yes, I realize that was many moons ago, but old habits die hard).

Coming from a non-religious viewpoint, it's always seemed that among Christians, the Protestant-evangelical bloc was the one which made much more of a difference in a political vein—or at least they got the most press.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Why would it really matter who is pope to non-Catholics?

It is speculative of course but perhaps a more 'liberal" Pope might introduce a more flexible approach to abortion and that could lead to improvements in access to safe abortion. Recall recently in this forum that there was discussion of a woman who died in Eire after doctors refused to perform an abortion despite it being possibly the only way to save her life. It is alleged that she was told that an abortion could not be performed because "this is a Catholic country." The woman involved was not a Catholic yet because of the laws in Eire, heavily influenced by the Church, she was denied possible life-saving surgery.

So yes, non-Catholics can be affected by Church-based laws and a different view adopted by one Pope or another might make a difference. Better yet is for countries not to base law on religion, but that's another story.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6217 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4436 times:
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AP is reporting Timothy Dolan has been fired for his role in covering up the sexual scandals in Milwaukee.

User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Why would it really matter who is pope to non-Catholics?

Because we are affected by the resultant levels of lunacy, misogyny, bigotry, and homophobia. It is very important for us to know if the next pope will be extremely lunatic, or just very lunatic.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20641 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 18):
It is very important for us to know if the next pope will be extremely lunatic, or just very lunatic.

LOL, okay then!

It's times like this when having not been exposed to organized religion growing up, nor it being an important part of the landscape of where I was raised or now live as an adult, that occasionally pops up as a disadvantage in terms of cultural intelligence.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6217 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4429 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Coming from a non-religious viewpoint, it's always seemed that among Christians, the Protestant-evangelical bloc was the one which made much more of a difference in a political vein—or at least they got the most press.

Funny, how we in Catholic countries see the Evangelicals as the more "fringe" parts of Christianity.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 14):
So if the Pope gives permission for women to use contraceptives, or allows women into leadership, or allows Priests to marry,

Not going to happen - not in the Roman Catholic church. There are many other Christian groups/churches where this is the norm, the Church of England, Evangelical, Mormons, Episcopalian and others. The choice is there.
The next Pope will be no different in that respect. He is kept under control by those around him - nothing will change.

Quoting tugger (Reply 14):
introduces excommunication with liability for Priests that molest.

Seems that some of them were fired and sent away from their dioceses - Mahony in Los Angeles and the one in Boston. I think they had to sell their most important real estate assets to pay back all the families - financially speaking. The harm these creepy priests have done to the children/young boys will never be repaired.

      



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 18):
Because we are affected by the resultant levels of lunacy, misogyny, bigotry, and homophobia.

This is not only the Pope. It goes for hundreds thousands everywhere in the world.
Not everybody agrees with some of the changes in society at large.

Hundreds of thousands march in Puerto Rico against gay rights.
More than 200,000 religious Christians marched against gay rights in Puerto Rico on Monday in the largest such demonstration in the history of the US commonwealth.
Gathering in front of San Juan’s Capitol building, hundreds of thousands of Christian Puerto Ricans stopped traffic while defending “traditional marriage” and protesting against the idea of granting gay couples legal rights.
http://www.rt.com/usa/gay-rights-puerto-rico-167/



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 22):
This is not only the Pope. It goes for hundreds thousands everywhere in the world.

Yes but the hundreds of thousands everywhere in the world you refer to do not have the power of life or death that the pope has over hundreds of millions in the world (see declarations re: condom usage in Africa for example).



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4355 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 18):
Because we are affected by the resultant levels of lunacy, misogyny, bigotry, and homophobia. It is very important for us to know if the next pope will be extremely lunatic, or just very lunatic.

I mean even as a Catholic I disagree with a lot of their positions, but really, what has the Pope done that is considered lunatic? Homophobia? A shame, yes, I don't think it's lunatic, up to a couple decades ago that was basically the norm. Didn't make it right, but lunatic? Covering for pedophiles? I mean we can go on about conspiracy theories, but don't you think that was just a way to make the aftermath less bad (even if it was wrong?) That's not really lunatic either



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25 Post contains images mariner : As a gay man who has been to Puerto Rico many times, that is deeply ironic. mariner
26 luv2fly : I was thinking moronic myself.
27 Post contains images AeroWesty : Going back to what I asked earlier, would one pope over another make a difference in a situation like this? I've never believed that the Catholic chu
28 Post contains images mariner : I don't see how the Church can change its views as long as its fundamental belief is that the sexual act is reserved solely for the purpose of creati
29 Post contains links and images Quokkas : That is what The Guardian is reporting, quoting Italian daily newspaper La Repubblica. It seems the Pope made the decision to resign on the day he re
30 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I found it very weird from the time they announced that the Pope resigned for "health reasons". Pope JPII was in much worse health than him and he co
31 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana: the Catholic Church, Africa and gays CNN/Christiane Amanpour The Catholic Church is growing fastest in Africa and Asi
32 luv2fly : Ironically it is what the priest prefer to molest!
33 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : The story of Cardinal Dr. Tagle, 55, Archbishop of Manila - one of the contenders. The man has a most unusual profile. He is an outsider so he stands
34 Post contains links Quokkas : Well, the discussion about what the next Pope should consider and what direction the Church should take is getting more interesting, with Britain's Ca
35 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Taking a look at St. Peter's Square live cam there are a lot of people there, the square is packed on this Sunday morning - probably trying to catch a
36 ltbewr : As I have said for several weeks since the announcement of his Resignation, to me the pope is doing so for a mix or reasons including his health and t
37 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I knew this Pope was on to something different! Pope refers to God as "Her" Emotional Pope says he's following God's wishes ""The Lord is calling me t
38 ktrick45 : The "her" refers to the Church. It's that Latin syntax, just like in the new English translations of the Mass.
39 luv2fly : I like how people try to make something out of nothing
40 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I would not be able to tell if the Pope spoke directly in English and I did not know the English translation of the Mass referred to the Church as "h
41 ltbewr : The Cardinal for Scotland and parts of England, Keith O'Brian, and would have been eligible to vote for the next Pontiff, has resigned over charges of
42 luv2fly : At least he kept it all in the family and didn't go after kids. Give him credit for that.
43 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : True. BBC Breaking News As it happened: Cardinal Keith O'Brien resigns 1101: Cardinal O'Brien's decision follows allegations of inappropriate behavio
44 Post contains images AeroWesty : O'Brien had already submitted his resignation in November 2012, to be effective on March 17th this year, but it's been moved up so that the allegation
45 luv2fly : He resigned, the American ones have not. Nor were they the guilty party, they just covered it up, which was SOP = standard operating procedures.
46 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This is a very clever animation on how a Pope is elected (English) Follow the arrows and click on the little crosses on each page. http://vaticaninsid
47 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Daily Mirror Britain's top Catholic Cardinal steps down amid accusation of "inappropriate acts" 25 Feb 2013 22:32 His resignation followed a series o
48 Post contains images AeroWesty : I don't know why you quoted my post for this. It doesn't change that O'Brien had originally submitted his resignation last year to be effective next
49 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I am making use of all sorts of sources on this Pope's resignation and all that is around it. What if Cardnal O'Brien had really been friends with Ji
50 Post contains images AeroWesty : LOL, we seem to have a difficult time communicating. I was simply inquiring why you used my post, which used information from a legitimate news organ
51 luv2fly : They have made up there minds it was announced on "The Today Show" this morning.
52 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : That may be too US-centric of a source for some of our readers. I'll help confirm my global stature with a link to the Reuters report: Pope will keep
53 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Thank you. I just saw it now. I like Pope Emeritus. So now he is a Professor Emeritus and Pope Emeritus. Also he will still be a Man in White only wi
54 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I was still writing my post while you posted yours. Only with a different link from my Italian source. I hope the mods will not consider this a doubl
55 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Today was Josef Ratzinger's last public appearance as Pope Benedict XVI. There was a large crowd at St Peter's square that extended to the surrounding
56 Aesma : The gay lobby conspiracy is really interesting. It's not about a gay lobby at all, but rather people outside the Vatican pulling strings by holding in
57 Post contains images johnboy : I can report that's true. Along with several Justin Bieber wall posters (with lipstick smudges) in the Vatican apartments, they also found this:
58 Post contains links and images NoUFO : My favorite political cartoonist, Heiko Sakurai, sees Benedikt spending evenings playing Bingo : http://www.sakurai-cartoons.de/images/g_wiederbingobu
59 NoUFO : Well, the seat is now vacant. If anyone wants to apply ...
60 luv2fly : It is something that he stepped down as he really was not a leader even early on. I would have to say it would be hard for anyone to follow after the
61 Post contains images Alias1024 : Updating my LinkedIn profile now
62 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Right now nobody is Pope doesnt matter if you are Roman Catholic or not but even still there is no Pope Pope Benedict XVI is officially resigned. The
63 Post contains links DeltaMD90 : That is a dishonest thing to say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan "Pope Joan was a legendary female Pope who allegedly reigned for a few years
64 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : How can I prove anything? I wasn't there to know if Pope Joan was real or if she is a legend. No intention there. I would like that she had existed b
65 AeroWesty : The conclave is to start between March 15 and 20. I doubt that the cardinals will remain locked in the voting room until April. But if they do, no Ca
66 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : 28/02/2013 - VIDEO Le ultime ore del Papa Benny's last hours as Pope - nice views of the helicopter flight from Rome to Castelgandolfo and the now Pon
67 DeltaMD90 : Then you say "there may have been a Pope Joan, a female" not "there was one who wasn't recognized." That's how disinformation gets spread
68 AR385 : Does anybody knows what helicopter that was? It looked sexy, but my specialty is airliners not helos. Thanks.
69 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : I don't know for sure but I would guess that it is an AgustaWestland of some sort. Probably an Aw139 from the Italian Airforce. http://commons.wikime
70 seb146 : I had heard there was a female elected pope centuries ago. The story I heard was she became pregnant and abdicated. The church designed a special "ch
71 AeroWesty : No, that was the last thing they showed on the news today. Video of the Swiss Guard closing out their protection of the pope emeritus.
72 mariner : While I agree with you about the way it should have been worded, isn't demanding "undeniable proof" a can of worms in any debate about religion? mari
73 seb146 : Between what you posted and what I read on Wikipedia, what I understand is: Swiss Guard will still defend The Holy See and they will guard the Concla
74 Post contains images MadameConcorde : This is an international forum with members from all different countries. We are not all experts in the English language or English native speakers l
75 mariner : I understand and accept that, but whatever your native tongue I'm sure you have clauses, and a clause, such as mine that you quoted, is not a complet
76 Post contains links CPH-R : One of the last thing Benedict XVI did, was to sign a document that would allow the conclave to be moved forward by a couple of days. Since there is
77 luv2fly : The way I understand it is, the rule for 15 days was to allow Cardinals to arrive and has been in place before we had the options for transportation
78 Post contains images MadameConcorde : They all have smart phones and none of these will be taken away from them - not in the conclave room but they will have them when they come out - no
79 Post contains images Quokkas : Why? Perhaps you would like to elucidate. In what way is the 15 day requirement out of date? In what way does it impact on the day to day operations
80 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : All true. Conclave: Absence of clear favourite leaves door open to a number of possibilities Cardinals, including the over 80s, have started their pr
81 luv2fly : Having been brought up Catholic the whole Catholic Church is out of touch and behind the times. Why do you think that membership is on the decline, t
82 luv2fly : I really doubt that they all have smart phones, considering the age of the cardinals and the fact that old people do not embrace technology all that
83 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : You will be surprised of the number of Cardinals with twitter accounts - that use them! I guess the use of twitter became hip after Emeritus Pope Ben
84 Post contains images MadameConcorde : You will not want to be told this if/when you get to their age: Roger Michael Mahony KGCHS (born February 27, 1936) the controversial Cardinal with h
85 luv2fly : It is not a problem for me as I have already embraced technology and am not afraid of it like so many people.
86 Quokkas : That the teachings of the Church may not find resonance in much of the rest of society has little to do with its administration. By all means critici
87 Post contains images MadameConcorde : then why are you saying this? Do you think you are superior to (or more capable than) these older Cardinals? You should be showing more respect for t
88 AeroWesty : I see nothing wrong with his post. He points out that the older one gets the less likely they are to embrace new technology, and that he didn't have
89 luv2fly : When it come to technology yes! I am not afraid of it like a whole lot of old people. Just cause they are old I have to show respect! Please. I could
90 Quokkas : You will find that older people also "embraced technology" when they were younger. Do you not think that they were spell-bound when the first televis
91 luv2fly : I don't care what the Church does or not, I am no longer part of it and follow no organized religion.
92 Post contains images Quokkas : No, not because they are old. If you need that explaining to you then you still have a lot more to learn than the ability to swipe a screen or downlo
93 luv2fly : Since they have not made any changes in how many years, do you really thing they are going to start now! Honestly I could give a rats ass what they d
94 mariner : Then I must be an idiot because I resist all that. I am a Luddite and happily so. I have a mobile phone which I keep in my car only for emergencies,
95 luv2fly : Could not have said it better myself.
96 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This is Pope Emeritus last tweet http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2013...timo_tweet-53600255/1/?ref=HREC1-8 Thank you for your love and support. May yo
97 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Some are already criticizing the fact that Benedict XVI chose to keep his name and title of Pontiff (Pope) Emeritus. Italian Catholic periodical, Civi
98 AeroWesty : The title is correct as the pope is now a former head of state. All that the word "emeritus" means in this context is "retired". Any controversy over
99 AR385 : While the presence of Catholicism in Latin America is significant, amounting to 42% of the world´s Catholic population, it has stagnated and other C
100 DeltaMD90 : lol I guess so Well if I misunderstood I apologize, but it is the 2nd time it appeared you declared it as fact
101 Post contains images MadameConcorde : We are not the ones to decide. There are several African cardinals not just Turkson. Turkson has the advantage of beign young, highly educated, an ex
102 AeroWesty : How silly to even think about delays. Jets fly to Rome daily from all four corners of the earth, and Easter is approaching on March 31. Benedict expre
103 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : There is not only the travel time for the Cardinals to get to Rome. There is more than that. There has to be a pre-Conclave where all the 80¨can par
104 ltbewr : While the former Pontiff did make some minor changes to the time in which a conclave can start, the reality is that it most likely won't start until t
105 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : A little conspiracy just for the fun of it. Purely speculative and conspiracist The man looks fugly and evil... and scary --> Tarcisio Bertone Car
106 Post contains images Quokkas : On the contrary. A rational decision to do or not do something because you do not see a need for it or have a preference for a different approach sug
107 AeroWesty : The responsibility for Easter at the Vatican this year should fall to the current Dean of Bishops, just as Ratzinger handled Easter 2005 while John P
108 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Neither you or anyone except the Cardinals themselves are to decide. Twitter: Cardinal Napier ‏@CardinalNapier "Call for delay in Conclave" is noth
109 Post contains images AeroWesty : No one is forcing you to read my posts. Am I not allowed a dissenting opinion or to think freely and differently? Must we all be sheep?
110 Post contains images MadameConcorde : You are certainly allowed to think different. 100% agree. I am not posting these things to contradict. I am just posting related sources from those r
111 Quokkas : Maybe, but many are not direct unless you opt for a private charter. I have looked at some short-notice options for Cardinal Pell and one of the best
112 AeroWesty : The most widely reported date for the conclave to begin is March 15th. This is the 2nd. Surely it doesn't take more than two weeks for even the most
113 Quokkas : Maybe they can or they can't. Perhaps every flight has open seats available, who knows? But as I asked , why is it so important whether they meet two
114 mariner : If only it were rational. I have a fear of technology - anything more than an off-on switch is a leap into the unknown for me. Not a lot of help. My
115 Post contains images ltbewr : There are plenty of ways from almost anyplace in the world to get to Rome with perhaps 1 or 2 stops/transfers and not in a Islamic country or countrie
116 Quokkas : Thank you for your detailed and personal response. I do believe that it highlights that what applies to one does not necessarily apply to another but
117 AeroWesty : Couple of days either way, doesn't make any difference to me at all. My comments were simply counterpoint to the usual conspiracy theory rumblings be
118 Post contains images Devilfish : Beware the Ides of March . It's hard enough to keep priests honest without them having to support a family of their own. The Church is a jealous mist
119 Post contains links and images mariner : Of course, I agree. I suppose my ultimate point is that we may change - not our essential nature, but our thinking may become much more internalized.
120 Quokkas : That could become a thread in its own right. Apart from a desire to gain office and develop policies based on expedience, what ideals do they have? I
121 mariner : Intellectually, as a theory, yes, because it is about equality and I will fight for that right. if anyone wants to do marry, they have all my good wi
122 AeroWesty : I've never taken it that far in my thought process, to be honest, but that's an interesting perspective. To accept gay marriage, the institutions of
123 mariner : I don't see that it can happen without the Church making a (really quite small) shift in perspective. When I was a young man and the pill was changin
124 Aesma : JP2 was even less a leader than B16. B16 at least tried to tackle the problems, mostly failing. JP2 wouldn't even admit there were problems. He was o
125 mariner : Fair enough. I hear less talk about it these days, but maybe I know fewer Catholics than I did. mariner[Edited 2013-03-02 19:47:43]
126 seb146 : Wouldn't it be interesting if the pope emeritus outlives the next pope?
127 Post contains links Confuscius : Latest odds to replace Papa Ratzi (Benedict XVI): Peter Turkson 5/2 Angelo Scola 11/4 Tarciso Bertone 4/1 Angelo Bagnasco 5/1 Marc Ouellet 6/1 Peter E
128 Aesma : I don't understand Bertone's odds. From what I've read and seen on TV B16 resigned because he didn't want him to get more power if his health deterior
129 Post contains links AeroWesty : Better than Turkson could be part of his appeal. If I was Catholic, I don't know if I could respect my religion with some of the backward, middle age
130 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : A Pope accepting gay marriage isn't going to happen any time soon. The same applies with married priests or women priests within the catholic church
131 Post contains images AeroWesty : How delightful. I predicted that first over 2 weeks ago in Reply #169 in the first thread.
132 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Not a done deal yet. Remember no one thought Ratzinger would become Pope from the last conclave. There was all kinds of names lined up but not him. I
133 Post contains images AeroWesty : My goodness, it was never declared that it was a done deal. Honestly, some of the replies in this thread beggar belief.
134 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Why are you taking so much heed if you are a non-catholic? You always criticize without ever bringing any new information to the thread. Some obvious
135 Post contains images AeroWesty : I refer you to my previous answer regarding following current events. I'm surprised this has to be explained to you, or that you would promote reigni
136 MadameConcorde : Which conspiracy theories and which hack jobs on the Vatican and where? I am posting all the links to everything that I find in the Italian press for
137 Post contains images AeroWesty : I'm sure that if we looked into it more deeply, the general consensus would be that discussion regarding the pope's resignation and the selection of
138 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : with more of my conspiracy theories I suppose? You are the one who asked for it so here's more conspiracy straight from La Stampa the Alex Jones Info
139 Post contains images AeroWesty : No one ever said you couldn't post conspiracy theories if that's what you want to do. All I've ever said that is that it would be an awfully boring p
140 AR385 : I highly doubt that will happen. The consensus is that having such a youg Pope would potentially make it a 25 or 30 year papacy and apparently no one
141 Post contains links MadameConcorde : more conspiracy, coming from the Scottish Catholic Media Office 3 March 2013 Statement from Cardinal O'Brien "In recent days certain allegations which
142 Post contains links mariner : I;m not a Catholic - I'm not religious - but who the next Pope is affects more than just Catholics. By virtue of his position, any statement by any P
143 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : and this conspiracy from the Daily Mail BREAKING NEWS: Britain's top Catholic Cardinal O'Brien admits his 'sexual conduct fell well below the standar
144 Post contains images AeroWesty : Indeed, earlier in the thread I asked what difference it should make to me one way or another who the next pope is, being a non-catholic. I was given
145 mariner : From my perspective, the Catholic church makes itself a target as in this case. Cardinal O'Brian initially vigorously denied the accusations and has
146 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : How are these conspiracies? Most of this is just statement of fact. Some of it doesn't even have to do with the Pope. I don't get it
147 Post contains images MadameConcorde : As if I did not know. It's mostly all from official Italian sources. Saying these were conspiracies was my answer to this.
148 AR385 : And this is why the next Pope will be American: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FymK8Lp87d4
149 Post contains images AeroWesty : The only place I recall in the last couple of days of anyone using the conspiracy theory label was about 40 posts above: Were you not making a truthf
150 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Especial Nochevieja con José Mota 2010 - Un papa americano Your video is funny I must admit but there is also this The Pope Song - It's About Time -
151 Post contains links mariner : There is an excellent article in the Guardian about this, written by a woman (I assume Catholic) who claims to know the four complainants: http://www
152 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Some interesting information here. Pope's Tailor Ordered to Prepare Clothes for Three Tall Europeans The official tailor for the pope said Thursday he
153 TheCommodore : And that's precisely why I don't bother with religion, especially Catholicism. The whole idea that men, and women in the church should be celibate, t
154 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I just foudn out that Maradiaga is an anti-Semite. Can't be a Christian and an anti-semite. It's contradictory. The man is not as good as I thought. F
155 Post contains links AeroWesty : LOL, Vatican, the board game. I want one! This Papal conclave thinks pink
156 DocLightning : Doesn't seem to stop them. It always is. This is why I consider the personal lives of political candidates VERY important when their policy statement
157 CPH-R : Oddly enough, I've seen a lot of comments from Catholics who would prefer a young(er) pope, someone who can guide the church in the long run.
158 Post contains images TheCommodore : So they can have someone guide the church, around and around in circles like it has been for so long already ? Whether the new Pope is young or old m
159 Post contains links Quokkas : There have been well-publicised cases of abuse in the Anglican Community, including one case that brought down an Australian Governor-General (the de
160 Post contains links mariner : Are any immune? There have been several outcries about the abuse suffered by children in homes run by the Salvation Army, in New Zealand and Australi
161 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Goodbye Pope Benedict XVI. May you have a long and happy retired life as the Emeritus Pope. From today on, all Cardinals are meeting in Rome to elect
162 Post contains links AeroWesty : No date has been set for the conclave to begin. Vatican Papal Conclave 2013: Pope Vote Preparations Begin In Earnest Starting a new thread declaring
163 luv2fly : I have to agree your putting the horse before the cart and the thread should be deleted for being factually wrong and misleading.
164 AeroWesty : Agreed, especially as we've been told that the member in question has only posted facts supported by reputable links.
165 AR385 : No conclave will begin, until the 115 cardinals required to be on it arrive. So far, 103 have arrived. And that is just one of the requirements. Infor
166 luv2fly : I would not be surprised to see them start early once the 115 cardinals have arrived. I am sure with Easter looming right around the corner they want
167 Post contains links AeroWesty : A quick Op-Ed from The New York Times this past weekend: The Ratzinger Legacy
168 AR385 : Interesting development: The Brazilian bloc is saying that unless the content of all the "Vatileaks" files are made available to them they cannot make
169 Post contains links TheCommodore : Technically correct, although one could be forgiven for thinking otherwise after seeing this news report from ABC America. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/
170 ltbewr : True, there is no voting conclave at this time, but the Cardinals are meeting informally with each other and are meeting to do certain duties and func
171 Post contains links and images Confuscius : Father phony: Man tries to sneak into pope talks A man tried to sneak into secret talks Monday that are being held by the Catholic cardinals who will
172 AR385 : The guy in the left with the hat. His name is Ralph Napierski and he is from Australia, known for pulling this stunts.
173 na : A German, according to the German media. Anyway, suspiciously young to be a bishop.
174 Post contains links AeroWesty : Looks like the cardinals are going to play hardball with the Vatican before sitting down to begin the papal conclave: CBS News: Vatican dysfunction lo
175 luv2fly : I find this interesting to say the very least.
176 na : Even in an absolute monarchy like the Vatican it should be selfunderstood in the 21st century that the elite of 115 men who are about to vote for the
177 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Hmm perhaps OLC was right... perhaps there is a bit of a conspiracy [Edited 2013-03-05 12:49:47]
178 Post contains images AeroWesty : Stranger things have happened!
179 Post contains links AeroWesty : CNN is reporting this morning that 113 of the 115 cardinals eligible to vote in the conclave have arrived in Rome. The two cardinal-electors who are n
180 luv2fly : They should do the election like the hunger games, at least that way it would be a younger fit guy.
181 Post contains images AR385 : Interesting. To think that a few days ago it was said that those coming from Australia were going to take the longest to arrive. Is the Warsaw guy ri
182 Post contains links mariner : There are some hoo-haa's about the Cardinals attending the conclave, and some calls for some to withdraw: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle
183 luv2fly : mariner I agree with ya, in for a penny, in for a pound. Truth be told if we kept the guilty ones out who would they have to vote in.
184 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : Things are getting close! The last voting cardinal arrives tomorrow, and now the American cardinals have stopped their daily news briefings: US cardin
185 AeroWesty : CBS News is reporting tonight that the cardinals have taken a vow of silence, so we might not hear any updates on problems in the Vatican direct from
186 AR385 : In essence, the Vatican, for whatever reason, told the American Cardinals to shut up. The paranoia is increasing. Must mean there are a lot disagreem
187 luv2fly : On the today show this morning they reported about all the leaks, problem is they are all to the Italian papers are are coming from sources other the
188 Confuscius : They want to surprise God on the next pope.
189 Post contains links and images Quokkas : In another thread about who would fly the Pope if AZ went belly-up, I suggested tongue-in-cheek that if a donkey was good enough for Jesus on his visi
190 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Elected or not, his ride would sure surprise...amusing even Ronald in the background... ... http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/...le.jpg.pagespeed.i
191 Post contains links mariner : The New York Times/CBS and conducted a poll of US Catholics. Depending on how much faith you put in polls, the results could be surprising: http://blo
192 DeltaMD90 : I think that it is inflated, but I support all these. IIRC, Catholics as a whole are slightly more liberal than most Christian groups in America
193 luv2fly : Well depending how radical these christian groups are that is not saying much.....
194 AR385 : Breaking: The conclave will start this Tuesday, march the 12th.
195 CalebWilliams : I believe it depends on the church, or maybe the diocese, but there are certainly more liberal catholic churches and then their are more conservative
196 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : And I heard that those Cardinals will have no contact to the outside when doing the elections. So that the obvious question to me is "How good is the
197 na : Not everything surprises me, but the majority opinion re gay marriage is surely a surprise. And I second all of this. The priests in my home parish a
198 ME AVN FAN : If and when the Roman Catholic church moves on these points in a real way, it will be welcomed by the Protestant churches and also the Old-Catholic C
199 Post contains links CPH-R : For what it's worth, the Vatican website is publishing daily updates as to what the Cardinals are doing in the period leading up to the conclave. http
200 Post contains links AeroWesty : Glad to see it will begin soon, and hopefully we'll have a new pope well before Easter. Interesting bit of news on setting the date from CBS News: Ca
201 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Or maybe that's what they want us to think!
202 Confuscius : I predict Cardinal Bergoglio of Argentina as the next pope.
203 ME AVN FAN : Right you were. Pope Franciscus I is the new Pope. Whenever neither young nor modern, he looks like a fairly good choice. Hardly the one for progress
204 Post contains images Confuscius : I'm predicting that Pres. Obama will be reelcted as well! True, but I'm hoping the Jesuit in him might bring at least some changes. The SJ are more p
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