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Massive Riots In Bulgaria  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10735 posts, RR: 38
Posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Over the weekend the people of Bulgaria took to the streets in protest over austerity measures.

Massive riots have been going in Bulgaria in the last couple of days. The biggest ones that the country has seen in the last 20 years. More than 300 thousand people went out and protested against the ongoing stealing by the bankers and the electricity companies /CEZ, EON and EVN/, piling pressure on the government after a week of persistent demonstrations.
Protesters chanting "It will be the same every day until we win” , paralyzed city centers and demanded the resignation of the cabinet and the re-nationalization of power distributors.

http://www.razkritia.com/wp-content/...ploads/2013/02/varna-protest10.jpg
http://images.btv.bg/usernews/2013/02/17/493842/620x348.jpg
http://images.btv.bg/usernews/2013/02/17/493814/620x413.JPG
http://images.btv.bg/usernews/2013/02/17/493805/620x465.jpg

On 24.02.2013 there is going to be a nationwide protest and it is expected more than 800 000 people to go out on the streets. People gave the government a 7 days period to get rid of the electricity companies and to nationalize the infrastructure.

Bulgarians protest foreign power companies
http://news.yahoo.com/bulgarians-pro...utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=feed

Videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G0wm30s5_MY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zZVrQVBmBp0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hEFZ5-cVmcw


Bulgarian Government Resigns Amid Protests

The Bulgarian premier and his whole government is resigning from office after nationwide protests against austerity.
...
Many Bulgarians are also unhappy over power monopolies, low living standards and corruption in the European Union's poorest country.
"I will not participate in a government under which police are beating people," said Mr Borisov who will hand in his resignation after a regular Cabinet meeting on Wednesday.
read more:
http://news.sky.com/story/1054464/bu...n-government-resigns-amid-protests


Today Bulgaria, tomorrow the rest of Europe?

 Wow!  


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Today Bulgaria, tomorrow the rest of Europe?

Why on earth would the governments of the rest of Europe resign over electricity prices in Bulgaria? SMH



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10735 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 1):
Why on earth would the governments of the rest of Europe resign over electricity prices in Bulgaria? SMH

It looks like you did not get the point. Bulgaria is just part of the chain of events.

Look at Greece. They are out on the streets again.

Greeks in fresh general strike against austerity
Greece is being hit by the first general strike of 2013 as workers renew their protest over austerity measures.
The 24-hour strike is forcing the closure of schools and state-run offices and leaving hospitals working with emergency staff.
The strike has been called by Greece's two biggest labour unions, representing half the four million-strong workforce.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-euro...annel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa


and the austerity protests that took place in Spain and Portugal

Austerity protests in Spain and Portugal
17 February 2013 Last updated at 02:30 GMT Help

Tens of thousand of people have been protesting in Spain and Portugal angry at harsh austerity measures.
The demonstration in Lisbon was organised by Portugal's largest trade union federation- against cuts imposed as part of the country's eurozone bailout.
In Spain, demonstrators called for the government to amend stringent repossessions laws which have seen hundreds of thousand lose their homes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21489096


Eurozone falls back into recession
The eurozone has returned to recession as the region's debt crisis continues to hurt demand, figures show.
The economy of the 17-nation bloc contracted by 0.1% between July and September, after shrinking 0.2% in the previous three months, Eurostat said.
The eurozone was last in recession in 2009, when the economy contracted for five consecutive quarters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20337245

 Wow!     



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User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Times are tough all over. It's not going to change or get better without these harsh measures.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
It looks like you did not get the point. Bulgaria is just part of the chain of events.

Well, I guess we should be ready to see Hollande and Cameron step down shortly. Who will replace them? Do we need new political associations? How about The Electric Party!  Wow!  



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1800 times:

In fact France's EDF has announced a 30% increase in rates over the next 5 years. But the government still controls prices to an extent, so they will say no (right wing governments also do this).


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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 3):

I am sure the Portuguese would disagree with you.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5946 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1701 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
It looks like you did not get the point. Bulgaria is just part of the chain of events.
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User currently offlinedamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 714 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

It's the same all over ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%932013_Slovenian_protests

Corruption at all the levels, more taxations and higher costs of living, and more luxury for the politicians... everyone's had it. The whole ball started rolling when they put up traffic cameras in a city where the private partner would get 92% of all the fines until the investment would be payed out (the investment as such seemed to have been very much inflated, and I wouldn't be too surprised if lots of money ended up in private pockets).

The current state-wide protests are focused against corruptions of politicians... The Commission for the Prevention of Corruption revealed that both the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition weren't too exact in reporting the valuables and had reasonably large unreported incomes .... and nothing happens. Frankly, this democracy thing isn't working out.

D.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26506 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):

First general strike of 2013 in Greece! Thats a miracle   Normally there have been 5 by now. Just goes to show people are resigning themselves to the fact nothing can change the tough times.



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User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 3):

Times are tough all over. It's not going to change or get better without these harsh measures.

People know there have to be harsh measures

Quoting damirc (Reply 8):
Corruption at all the levels, more taxations and higher costs of living, and more luxury for the politicians... everyone's had it. The whole ball started rolling when they put up traffic cameras in a city where the private partner would get 92% of all the fines until the investment would be payed out (the investment as such seemed to have been very much inflated, and I wouldn't be too surprised if lots of money ended up in private pockets).

  

Quoting JU068 (Reply 6):
I am sure the Portuguese would disagree with you.

Well I'm not Portuguese but I've been here for a while.

Damirc mentioned more tax and higher cost of living, and that has a lot to do with it.

Some examples:
-There are just 2 of us in the office now and we both earn €100 less / month than in 2011 thanks to a 8-10% increase in income tax from January. The company's social security contributions increased by €50 each, so it now costs the company around €4500 to pay 2 people €2300 a month. No incentive to take on new staff; we can't afford it.

-VAT increased from 6% to 23% on electricity and gas. That's on top of rising energy prises. A 45kg propane bottle now costs €100. 3 years ago it was around €60. Petrol(gasoline) at €1.50 / L, that's around US$7.56 / US gallon.   

-VAT on golf and sports such as tennis up from 6% to 23%, so in an area like the Algarve, that's had a hugely negative impact on the number of golfers.

-Tolls on previously free motorways which has made the motorways empty and the main roads full! The govt is now making up the shortfall to the private company running the motorways.

-The police setting up roadblocks everywhere and fining people left right and centre, including hapless tourists for such deviant acts as driving shirtless, or driving in flipflops. Fines up from €80m to €200m in a year!

-The possibility of getting a fine from €70 - €2000 to not keeping your receipt after leaving a coffee shop or restaurant or supermarket

-Politicians meanwhile still having their chauffeured Audis/BMWs drive them 300m to another building, or some "interesting" approvals like IKEA getting the go-ahead to build on green belt land, or the former PM deciding it was safer to move to France than answer questions related to his finances (a Socialist PM with a family fortune of over €300m!) Also the go-ahead for the high speed train line between LIS and MAD... it got cancelled as too costly and now it's back on again after the EU agreed to chip in a few extra €€€

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):
The eurozone was last in recession in 2009, when the economy contracted for five consecutive quarters.

Well we can't make it grow because the govt has taken any spare money we had!

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 3):

Times are tough all over. It's not going to change or get better without these harsh measures.

There is harsh and there is OTT. The cuts/tax increases you guys have faced in the US are tiny in comparison.



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User currently offlineplanesntrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5280 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting offloaded (Reply 10):
Well I'm not Portuguese but I've been here for a while.

Well.......that was somewhat depressing. Thanks for the insight.

-Dave



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1479 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Today Bulgaria, tomorrow the rest of Europe?

Well, not all European countries are the same. Actually, Europe is a very diverse reality and the countries hardly have things in common among each other (I more think they are similar in groups, but not all over).

So I wouldn't picture a doomsday scenario of a general European riot.

That said, I'm glad Switzerland is not part of the EU.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6109 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Quoting damirc (Reply 8):
Frankly, this democracy thing isn't working out.

Corruption is a hallmark of other forms of governments, only democracy can tackle it. Which doesn't mean it does, but show me a dictatorship or a communist regime without rampant corruption !



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User currently offlinedamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 714 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
Corruption is a hallmark of other forms of governments, only democracy can tackle it. Which doesn't mean it does, but show me a dictatorship or a communist regime without rampant corruption !

After growing up in a different system I can confirm that at least on the local level the height of corruption was one TV for a local dignitary. These days I'd rather not say. But it would buy plenty of TVs.

And yes, I know that democracy in it's ideal form is currently the ideal political system. The problem however is, that the people abuse the hell out of it - most of all our favorite politicians. I am quite disappointed that of all the politicians I know personally exactly none have not personally gained through corruption. Sure - in an ideal system I would denounce them (and good luck to me to proving said corruption ... I stand a better chance of being accused of slander/libel). At the same time I'm running a business ... guess how much business I would have left. This political clique is quite well connected as I'm sure you're aware of. The system is rotten. And I'm pretty sure not only my country is suffering from this. I know that the whole of former Yugoslavia has been affllicted by that. Anyone else feeling that their democracy is showing signs of rot? 

D.


User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
Corruption is a hallmark of other forms of governments, only democracy can tackle it

Corruption comes in many forms. Is it corrupt that the police here get commission on the fines they hand out? Or because they get commission does that make them less corrupt because it removes the temptation to pocket the fine instead?

Quoting damirc (Reply 14):
Anyone else feeling that their democracy is showing signs of rot? 

  
All political parties have good people, but sometimes I feel it is a shame that we have to vote for the party rather than the individual or the policies.

Meanwhile I am absolutely in favour of term limits. There should be no such thing as a career politician.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10735 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1271 times:

Spain is out on the streets again
against corruption, bank debts, politicians high wages...

Hundreds of thousands are demonstrating
Madrid police is on high alert

Live streaming here: http://www.livestream.com/spanishrevolutionsol
and here: http://bambuser.com/v/3394617

Another live streaming from El Pais

Jornada de protestas ciudadanas
Colectivos sociales afectados por los recortes en educación y sanidad, los desahucios y otros indignados por la corrupción política se manifiestan por el centro de Madrid. Todos confluyen en la plaza de Neptuno
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/02/22/...556925_479045.html?dont_use_this=1

Strong police presence. Line of police vans blocking access.

Not that it will change much of anything. Spain is not Bulgaria. The Prime Minister isn't going to resign.




   Wow!



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User currently offlineozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):

Whilst it is true that these are hard times and in some corners it is becoming desperate for some citizens, I find these frequent alarmist Euro-doom posts very one sided. If it's not the demise of the EU, its the Eurozone and failing that its the impending doom of France. Are these things some WANT to see or is it just a feeling of being vindicated about something?

The press, especially CNN are indulging in an orgy of doomsaying on Spain. I don't think it's balanced reporting and I don't think it helps improve anything.



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User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1208 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

It's sad to see someone bundling 30 odd countries with vastly different cultures and social-economic conditions in one, just because of a bit of geography. While it is true that Southern and Eastern Europe are generally speaking doing bad, the situation elsewhere is not so bleak. Thus the chances of seeing "massive riots", on the scale of those in e.g. Greece and Bulgaria, spreading to the rest of "Europe" are somewhere between zero and none. It will be limited to the aforementioned areas; you won't see the Finns, Swedes or Luxembourgers marching in the streets - to name but a few - because they're actually not doing too bad, all things considered.


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