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Ikea Meatballs Withdrawn Over Horse Meat Fears.  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26863 posts, RR: 58
Posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Breaking on Sky News IKEA has been the latest to be caught up in the horse meat scandal.

Ikea Meatballs Withdrawn Over Horsemeat Fears

A batch of meatballs has been taken off the menu at Ikea's UK stores after traces of horsemeat were discovered in the supply chain.

The Czech Republic's state veterinary administration - which made the discovery - said the 1kg packs of frozen meatballs were labelled as beef and pork.

Ikea said it had taken the result "seriously", and was removing meatballs from sale in countries across Europe.

The checks were carried out in response to a European-wide scandal that erupted last month when tests carried out in Ireland revealed some beef products also contained horsemeat.

http://news.sky.com/story/1056625/ik...lls-withdrawn-over-horsemeat-fears

It seems this is not going away anytime soon. I wonder how long before M&S and Sainsburys are effected. I actually was in IKEA last week and had them. No side effects so far  

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User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
It seems this is not going away anytime soon. I wonder how long before M&S and Sainsburys are effected. I actually was in IKEA last week and had them. No side effects so far  

I had IKEA meatballs last week also. I can feel my teeth growing now ...  


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

I've found it astonishing that there is this much horsemeat to go around. It's popping up all over Europe.


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User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
It's popping up all over Europe.

It's called the mafia ... I really hope some heads will fall down now.


User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2219 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

IKEA does meatballs? It beggars belief that no one caught on earlier, once you saw the horse leg in the plastic baggie and then went through the instructions on assembling your meatball. I guess Europeans have been eating Seabiscuit for so long they can't tell the difference between a real filet and Kentucky Meatballs anymore.

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
Ikea Meatballs Withdrawn Over Horsemeat Fears

Can't the consumer be careful for the meat he chooses? I mean, we're talking IKEA meatballs, so I guess the customer has cut the meat, mince it, spice it and roll it in balls himself, no?    

Edit: nooooo, wingman beat me to it! Damn! Big grin

[Edited 2013-02-25 06:21:24]


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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

I wish the Czechs would check this out more carefully. The rest of us, meanwhile, need to pronounce 'hors d'oeuvres' more carefully when ordering.

User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2763 times:
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Honestly, I don't get the fuss. I understand the premise of advertising as beef/pork and using horse, but why the outrage? False advertising (in the name of money-saving) happens all over the world. Horse meat is delicious (one of my favorites) and other than its taboo nature in many countries, I'm certainly not going to stop eating Ikea meatballs (or Burger King in England).

Give me a horse steak and I'm a happy man, so this doesn't bother me.

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8):
Honestly, I don't get the fuss.

I understood that the biggest fuss is that the horsemeat comes from unregulated animals, allowing all sorts of drugs not allowed into the human food chain to be consumed, not to mention the possible diseases present in the carcasses.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6539 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
I've found it astonishing that there is this much horsemeat to go around. It's popping up all over Europe.

Well on top of European horses we also get North American ones so there is plenty. A new law banning horse-drawn carriages in Romania also sent many horses to the butcher.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

If Ikea meatballs have horsemeat, then show me where to sign up.

I don't care if it's Trigger or Black Beauty. Ikea's meatballs are the bomb. I WOULD KILL FOR THEM.

 


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2730 times:
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Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
A new law banning horse-drawn carriages in Romania also sent many horses to the butcher.
Quoting sebolino (Reply 3):
It's called the mafia

What is the scrap value of a horse? I would imagine it is fairly low so when the slaughter house mixes the meat up with pork or beef he can make a excellent profit. I can see why crooked butchers would be all over this scam. It reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Fat Tony gets the school milk concession and uses rat milk.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 7):
Give me a horse steak and I'm a happy man, so this doesn't bother me

I doubt it bother me either. I'd give it try if I saw it on a menu. I had caribou a few years ago. I never had it, saw it on a menu and tried it. I liked it too. I am sure I've eaten all kinds of stuff I didn't know about.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 11):
What is the scrap value of a horse?

I read recently in one of the news stories that horsemeat of this calibre can sell for as little as 60¢ vs. $2.25 or so for beef (in U.S. dollars per pound).



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):

I read recently in one of the news stories that horsemeat of this calibre can sell for as little as 60¢ vs. $2.25 or so for beef

OTOH, horse meat bred specifically for meat (horse steaks, mostly) commands a much higher price than the equivalent beef.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
Ikea Meatballs Withdrawn Over Horsemeat Fears

So that's why the are so damned good!  
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
I understood that the biggest fuss is that the horsemeat comes from unregulated animals, allowing all sorts of drugs not allowed into the human food chain to be consumed, not to mention the possible diseases present in the carcasses.

Then just allow it a regulate it. Problem solved regarding the "horsemeat outrage". Of course it does not solve the issue of unregulated sources entering the food chain but in truth that is another issue entirely.

Tugg
(Edited to add "not" after does. I noticed it after zckls04's post but he interpreted my post correctly.)

[Edited 2013-02-25 09:20:35]


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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 14):
Then just allow it a regulate it. Problem solved regarding the "horsemeat outrage". Of course it does solve the issue of unregulated sources entering the food chain but in truth that is another issue entirely.

Tugg

Indeed. There could be tons of unregulated cows in all these products, but DNA testing wouldn't have revealed them.

Unless prices for supermarket burgers shoot up after this fiasco is done, you can probably assume there's still tons of unregulated meat in them. You simply can't make 16 burgers for 99p without cutting corners.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 15):
There could be tons of unregulated cows in all these products, but DNA testing wouldn't have revealed them.

Supposedly the meat is tested for non-allowed pharmaceuticals, which would/should show the presence of unacceptable beef. (Or am I overthinking this?)



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

What exactly is the scandal? Is horsemeat of lower quality? I've only had horse once, in Switzerland, and it was delicious!


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User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Quoting sebolino (Reply 3):
It's called the mafia

It's also called the EU. Free movement of goods means just that, so killed in Romania, exported to France, minced in Luxemburg, cheese added in Holland, packaged in Ireland, sold in the UK is entirely possible and legal. (The chain is legal, not labelling horse meat as beef I mean!)



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User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2219 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Sorry Graham.

I honestly don't see the problem with eating the meat, but I'm sure sales would take a bit of a hit if the "meatballs" were more accurately labeled as "horse-balls".

I personally have no interest in eating the stuff. For some reason I just see certain animals in this world as having earned the right, through either a millennia of dedication to mankind (e.g. horses and dogs) or sheer intelligence (whales and dolphins), not to be eaten by us.

That's a hell of a plight for those Romanian horses to have gone from a brutal existence towing wagons to being summarily butchered to end up in IKEA as something they never were...BEEF! Think of that final injustice, the complete lack of recognition and respect for what was no doubt a lifetime of hard knocks.

At least give the poor beasts their due. The package should've read "Tortured Romanian Horse Balls with Spaghetti".


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
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Quoting zckls04 (Reply 15):
You simply can't make 16 burgers for 99p without cutting corners.

16 for 99p??? Either those are some small burgers or some really low quality beef. There is dump (but great) diner near me that sells 6 burgers for $5 and they aren't very big.

Quoting wingman (Reply 19):
The package should've read "Tortured Romanian Horse Balls with Spaghetti".

I would buy that just for the label on the package.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 13):

OTOH, horse meat bred specifically for meat (horse steaks, mostly) commands a much higher price than the equivalent beef.

I would think so because the supply is smaller. That is also true of kangaroo meat.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
horsemeat of this calibre can sell for as little as 60

So they must buy the horse for a lot less than that.



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User currently onlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

This is what happens when the kitchen staff is horsing around with the recipe.

This will be nagging the executives for a long time.

Ikea's sweedish meatballs has a new brand name - Secretariat.

        


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5436 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 21):
Ikea's sweedish meatballs has a new brand name - Secretariat.

Wait, you're talking IKEA here, it would be "Sekritat"   

Tugg



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
A new law banning horse-drawn carriages in Romania also sent many horses to the butcher.

That can't be the reason. Romanians don't respect silly EU imposed laws. Driving in the Balkans is nearly impossible with these things on the roadways.

But I've never heard of this law...

Quoting wingman (Reply 19):
"Tortured Romanian Horse Balls with Spaghetti".

LOL.

Quoting wingman (Reply 19):
For some reason I just see certain animals in this world as having earned the right, through either a millennia of dedication to mankind (e.g. horses and dogs) or sheer intelligence (whales and dolphins), not to be eaten by us.

Also, cat meat should be banned because you just don't eat your superiors.



Oh, but if these are Romanian horses, don't worry, they haven't eaten chemicals in their lives. No one has the money to fatten a horse by giving it hormones or what not. It's not like in the USA.

[Edited 2013-02-25 11:18:08]

User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 20):
16 for 99p??? Either those are some small burgers or some really low quality beef. There is dump (but great) diner near me that sells 6 burgers for $5 and they aren't very big.

Actually I made a mistake on that- it's only 8 burgers. So they are 12 and a half pence each. Still terrifyingly cheap.



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User currently offlinerwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2316 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):
What exactly is the scandal? Is horsemeat of lower quality? I've only had horse once, in Switzerland, and it was delicious!

Two problems: labeling, and the Europeans are rather stricter about that sort of thing than the U.S. is. And second, the horses in question are mostly not ones intended for human consumption, and some horses that are *definitely* unfit for human consumption *have* been included in ground "beef".

Real horsemeat, intended for human consumption, is rather more expensive than beef. That's one of the things that puzzled me when I first heard about this, and caused me to be a bit dismissive of the problem. Putting expensive horse into cheap beef just had to be an accident, right? And not one likely to be frequently repeated. But obviously that's not what's been happening.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6539 posts, RR: 9
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 14):
Then just allow it a regulate it. Problem solved regarding the "horsemeat outrage". Of course it does not solve the issue of unregulated sources entering the food chain but in truth that is another issue entirely.

Well it's allowed and regulated. In fact horse meat has seen a boom since the beginning of the scandal here, horse butchers are very happy.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 18):
It's also called the EU. Free movement of goods means just that, so killed in Romania, exported to France, minced in Luxemburg, cheese added in Holland, packaged in Ireland, sold in the UK is entirely possible and legal. (The chain is legal, not labelling horse meat as beef I mean!)

You forgot the culprit, traded by a trader in Cyprus, a man already convicted for selling horse instead of beef !

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 23):
That can't be the reason. Romanians don't respect silly EU imposed laws. Driving in the Balkans is nearly impossible with these things on the roadways.

But I've never heard of this law...

Well it was on the news here, they sent a crew there, they showed plenty of carriages still, and interviewed a man saying he couldn't afford a pickup to do what he was doing with his cheap horse. There was no mention of it being an EU law, in fact it sounded like the local government wanted it, to show the country is not backwards or something like that.



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 26):
Well it was on the news here, they sent a crew there, they showed plenty of carriages still, and interviewed a man saying he couldn't afford a pickup to do what he was doing with his cheap horse.

I wouldn't trust the news too much... What I can say is that the Romanian press says this is a 6 year old law that's selectively enforced at best (Romania entered the EU... 6 years ago, so I'm 95% sure it's because of the EU, even if not enforced/asked for by the EU).

I don't see why the butchering would start now.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2778 posts, RR: 8
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
Ikea said it had taken the result "seriously", and was removing meatballs from sale in countries across Europe.

Yeah right !

Suspicious brown balls in plastic packets, produced by a furniture maker, who uses cheap labor to produce its goods.

Very credible.         

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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Quoting sebolino (Reply 3):
It's called the mafia ... I really hope some heads will fall down now.

I hear the Corleone family has some experience in that, just ask Jack Woltz.....

Quoting tugger (Reply 22):
Wait, you're talking IKEA here, it would be "Sekritat"

Needs some umlauts..... Sëkrität


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3765 posts, RR: 13
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2480 times:

Quoting wingman (Reply 19):
I'm sure sales would take a bit of a hit if the "meatballs" were more accurately labeled as "horse-balls"

Swedish meatballs generally contain both beef and pork, but we don't call them "cowandpigballs". "Meatballs" is still perfectly suitable, no matter what kind of meat they contain.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 28):
Suspicious brown balls in plastic packets, produced by a furniture maker, who uses cheap labor to produce its goods.

Now now, IKEA don't produce the meatballs themselves. Like with many other IKEA products, they're made by a sub-contractor, in this case Swedish firm Familjen Dafgårds. Coincidentally, I just bought two kilos of frozen meatballs made by Familjen Dafgårds the other day. Dirt cheap, too (will probably be cheaper tomorrow, come to think of it, if they're still available).

Don't get me wrong though, I'll still eat them even though they might contain horse. Like most people on this planet, I can't afford to throw away decent food.

BTW, I drank blue soda last week. Blue. A kind of blue that you don't really see in nature. Can't imagine that the poor horse and whatever pharmaceuticals it may have contained is any worse for me than flourescent blue toxic sludge.  

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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Are we talking about the IKEA that sells incredibly frustrating furniture here in the states? I was unaware of them hawking horseballs??  


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Another reason why Ikea uses those strange hard to spell and pronounce Sweedish names for their goods both edible and the furniture. Isn't anything safe anymore? No thank you to horse meat. Amazing how governments are regulating everything in site but horse gets into the meat supply.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 31):

Are we talking about the IKEA that sells incredibly frustrating furniture here in the states?

Yeppers. Both in the restaurant and frozen in the food hall by the exit.   



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 32):
Amazing how governments are regulating everything in site but horse gets into the meat supply.

There's the rub. It is one thing to pass a regulation. It's quite another to enforce it. In every country that you go to you here business whining about "red tape", "over-regulation", "too many restrictions", and "obstacles to business". On paper, yes. But in practice where are the inspectors? Are there too few or are they just looking the other way?

For example, Britain's Health and Safety Executive has lost over 18 per cent of its workforce in the last four years and a third fewer inspections took place in 2012 than the previous year. Overall, the agency's budget has been slashed by 14 per cent over the last three years, sparking fears that infectious outbreaks could become more commonplace.

Similarly, the The Farming Regulation Task Force reported to the UK Government in May 2011, recommending over 200 ways of reducing unnecessary “red tape” and reducing regulatory burdens on farmers and food processors. Now this is just one country. Take the universal calls for "austerity", "belt-tightening" and "cutting unnecessary waste" and it becomes inevitable that there will be less oversight and the opportunity for fraud will increase.


User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3981 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

When did Ikea start selling food?? I had no idea Ikea sold food. I haven't been to Ikea in years and the last time I was there it was just furniture.


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13043 posts, RR: 12
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

Apparently this isn't a problem with the IKEA meatballs or any meat produce in the USA as horse butchering is very strictly limited here. In fact most horses sold for meat use are moved to Mexico or Canada to do so, most of the meat is used for dog or zoo animal food. More of a problem here is bad germs from improper butchering and proper processing.

When I think about it, now I realize why I had the 'trots' the next day after I had a dish of IKEA meatballs...


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6539 posts, RR: 9
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2330 times:

The main problems isn't regulations it's the fact that it makes economic sense to have 5 or more intermediaries from the animal to the finished product. You'll never get that to work if each of them has to do DNA testing of the meat.

In fact France is pushing for a new regulation imposing the origin of the meat to be on the package. The belief is that French people will want French meat, and that the manufacturers won't want to deal with several countries of origin since that would mean several packagings, so the number of intermediaries and opportunities to cheat would get reduced as a result, without any cost for the regulators.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3040 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 35):

When did Ikea start selling food?? I had no idea Ikea sold food. I haven't been to Ikea in years and the last time I was there it was just furniture.

Ikea is famous for its meatballs! One doesn't go there without getting a meatball lunch.

I'm actually having IKEA meatballs for dinner today, granted I'm in Australia and the meatballs here are produced here as well, so not affected by the European horse meat saga.

For the record, I'm not against eating horse, in fact horse can taste great, however, it worries me that the industry is no under-regulated that horse meat was being sold in large quantities all over Europe. If that happened so easily, then we are bound to be getting beef and other meat with pharmaceutical products that are not all too good for you.

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Dragon wings.

Swedish Meatballs are to IKEA as Hot Dogs are to COSTCO.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26863 posts, RR: 58
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Hopefully the meatballs will be back again  

GBP£20 for all this ! Bargain  http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/IKEAMEAL_zps8dd56449.jpg


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 34):
Are there too few or are they just looking the other way?

Not all but many of these inspectors do it the government way, less i

Quoting L-188 (Reply 39):

And of course they got one of those funny (at least to me sounding names) like Lingle or Dingleberrydoppelganger.   



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
Ikea Meatballs Withdrawn Over Horsemeat Fears

Somehow I read this as "Ikea's Balls Withdrawn Over Horsemeat Fears"!

Quoting wingman (Reply 19):
I'm sure sales would take a bit of a hit if the "meatballs" were more accurately labeled as "horse-balls".

  

Quoting sebolino (Reply 1):
I had IKEA meatballs last week also. I can feel my teeth growing now ...

Ah, that's why the long face!



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User currently onlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1961 times:

Well in the us, even though they haven't found the horse, I have noticed they altered the texture of the meatballs so they are much finer, much easier to disguise ingredients. They taste different do I no longer get them.


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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2778 posts, RR: 8
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 43):
I have noticed they altered the texture of the meatballs so they are much finer, much easier to disguise ingredients. They taste different do I no longer get them.

I think I'd rather eat pure horse meat, than manufactured meatballs of dubious origin !

Have a look at the nutritional value of these things         

A whopping 350mg of Sodium and 65 mg of Fat, per serve of 6 balls.... Yuk.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39720 posts, RR: 75
Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days ago) and read 1947 times:

I was horsing around the new Ikea here in Bangkok last week and I ate one of these meatballs. It left my voice a little horse but I'm in stable condition.


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User currently offlineandrej From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 926 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 45):

I was horsing around the new Ikea here in Bangkok last week and I ate one of these meatballs. It left my voice a little horse but I'm in stable condition.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 23):
Oh, but if these are Romanian horses, don't worry, they haven't eaten chemicals in their lives. No one has the money to fatten a horse by giving it hormones or what not. It's not like in the USA.

This is only half the problem. The other half of the problem is that the work-horses are very unlikely to have taken certain anti-biotics, and other medication that land-mammals farmed for human consumption get.

Here in New Zealand there are very strict regulation to ensure the quality of our beef as most of it is exported. The beef cattle at my parent's farm get checked several times during their life for diseases (most importantly TB which involves a skin test or a laboratory blood test), medication to kill any worms they might have, and various vaccines. At the meat-works (abattoir) the carcases get further tests including those to make-sure they haven't been given Growth Promotants. In the near impossible event of a sub-standard batch of beef being sent to market, the tracing system (NAIT) is sophisticated enough to link a bad on-shelf product to the exact animal, from which a basic medical and geographic history of the animal is available (eg what dates it received certain vaccines, what farm did it come from, to which abattoir did it make its final journey etc).

While horses will have different diseases and conditions that that they are susceptible to (and whose presence could present a danger to humans who eat them), the principle remains: there are certain standards of health checks that land-mammals (whether they be cattle, horses, pigs or whatever) have to meet throughout their lives in-order to be fit for consumption by humans. You don't want to be consuming meat from a farm animal whose health hasn't been checked/cared for to appropriate standards.

A quick google search tells me that working horses are often given a drug called phenylbutazone to relieve pain. This has potentially dangerous side-effects for humans which is why it is no longer used to treat arthritis (or gout) and is not allowed to be used on horses whose meat is intended for human consumption.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 15):
You simply can't make 16 burgers for 99p without cutting corners.

   Quality costs, although here McDonalds and Burger King use decent quality (non imported) meat.

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 35):
When did Ikea start selling food?? I had no idea Ikea sold food.

That was my first thought.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 37):
In fact France is pushing for a new regulation imposing the origin of the meat to be on the package.

A very good idea, don't see why it should be limited to meat. Consumers have a right to know where their food originates from.



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User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 48, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 47):
Quoting Aesma (Reply 37):
In fact France is pushing for a new regulation imposing the origin of the meat to be on the package.

A very good idea, don't see why it should be limited to meat. Consumers have a right to know where their food originates from.

I fail to see what it would change. The meat was advertised as beef and it was horse ... You can write what you want on the package, it won't stop crooks to put something else instead.  

[Edited 2013-02-28 06:14:52]

User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 469 posts, RR: 5
Reply 49, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

When it comes to eating horse meat, most in the US. say naaahy...

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 50, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 45):
I was horsing around the new Ikea here in Bangkok last week and I ate one of these meatballs. It left my voice a little horse but I'm in stable condition.

I'm glad it didn't give you the trots! 

[ObRef: Around here at least, 'the trots' is slang for diarrhea...]



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2013, 1427 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

I bet if we actually knew what was in half the things we ate or how they were prepared, the last thing we'd be worrying about is the fact that there was some horse in it.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 47):
A very good idea, don't see why it should be limited to meat. Consumers have a right to know where their food originates from.

One of the problems with government regulations it means people stop thinking about where their food is from and what's in it. They stop thinking about what brands are reliable and just buy anything. So you might now think, ahh it says it's from so and so on the label, so it must be true.

Regulations can also encourage companies to exploit loopholes. I don't know exact laws but it could be that calling a burger a "beefburger" was valid if it only contained a small amount of other animals. Consumers unaware of this regulation may buy them with the false impression they're assured beef.


User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 52, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Has anyone died or gotten sick after eating these supposed "horse meat" meatballs??

If not, then I do not see what the big deal is. I know when I was in the Philippines I ate what we called "mystery meat" on a stick that they were cooking at these street side stand, figured it could be beef, monkey, dog, chicken, who knows. It was cooked and had some really good BBQ sauce so it did not matter. It filled the void and we never got sick.


User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1844 times:



[Edited 2013-02-28 06:40:01]

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6539 posts, RR: 9
Reply 54, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

Quoting sebolino (Reply 48):
I fail to see what it would change. The meat was advertised as beef and it was horse ... You can write what you want on the package, it won't stop crooks to put something else instead.

The crooks was one of the many intermediaries (possibly a team of two intermediaries). Not the final brand. Now, if those brands deemed that people would only want French meat in France, then you just removed several intermediaries, reducing the number of potential crooks.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 51):
One of the problems with government regulations it means people stop thinking about where their food is from and what's in it. They stop thinking about what brands are reliable and just buy anything. So you might now think, ahh it says it's from so and so on the label, so it must be true.

Well regulations only work if there is a stick to go with the carrot. The current stick is not strong enough obviously (the trader was convicted recently but is still in business), but that will change.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 51):
Regulations can also encourage companies to exploit loopholes. I don't know exact laws but it could be that calling a burger a "beefburger" was valid if it only contained a small amount of other animals. Consumers unaware of this regulation may buy them with the false impression they're assured beef.

There are already regulations for that. My mother likes to buy burgers with 15% soy in them, they can't be called beef even if 85% is beef.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 55, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 45):
I was horsing around the new Ikea here in Bangkok last week and I ate one of these meatballs. It left my voice a little horse but I'm in stable condition.

Giddy up!


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 56, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

This topic is pretty lame.
I don't want to cause a stirrup, but perhaps it should be put down?



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User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 54):
The crooks was one of the many intermediaries (possibly a team of two intermediaries). Not the final brand. Now, if those brands deemed that people would only want French meat in France, then you just removed several intermediaries, reducing the number of potential crooks.

OK, but what will stop intermediaries to buy meat in Romania, Poland or Noth Corea if it's cheaper ?
And to put horse, dog or rat in place of beef ?
With a beautiful logo "100% beef from France" they are safe.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26863 posts, RR: 58
Reply 58, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Quoting sebolino (Reply 57):
With a beautiful logo "100% beef from France" they are safe.

No offence but I wouldnt trust French beef anymore than Romanian or otherwise. I think alot of people have seriously gone back to local butchers in their own countries. I know my local guy has seen a 40% increase in locals buying from him than before. I myself am spending more money at my local shop too. I can see it laid out and can get it cut/seasoned the way I want too. The prices are pretty good also. I think alot of people will buy their own and that Im sure applies to the French too. Im sure French people will look twice before buying non French meat.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6539 posts, RR: 9
Reply 59, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting sebolino (Reply 57):
OK, but what will stop intermediaries to buy meat in Romania, Poland or Noth Corea if it's cheaper ?
And to put horse, dog or rat in place of beef ?
With a beautiful logo "100% beef from France" they are safe.

Controllers will stop them, of course.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

Quoting sebolino (Reply 48):
I fail to see what it would change.

In this case nothing, but that wasn't really the point. If people know what country a food product comes from, they can choose to avoid products from countries who have a lesser reputation for food safety. EG certain herbicides/pesticides whose use has been outlawed for years in pretty much all of the Western World are still legal in parts of Asia. I don't want to eat anything that, while being grown, might have been sprayed with these. If I know something was grown in a country where such herbicides are still legal, I know to buy something else.

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 51):
One of the problems with government regulations it means people stop thinking about where their food is from and what's in it.

Would this change if regulations were loosened?

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 51):
Regulations can also encourage companies to exploit loopholes.

And if there are no regulations on how much beef something labelled as 'beef' contains, then surely anything can legally be labelled as beef?



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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2013, 1427 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 60):
Would this change if regulations were loosened?

Quite possibly. Certainly when I go abroad to less developed country i put a bit more scrutiny into the things i eat.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 60):
And if there are no regulations on how much beef something labelled as 'beef' contains, then surely anything can legally be labelled as beef?

I think you could plead fraud if you named something as beef which was horse. The point is when you go about defining what companies can and can't get away with it gives them an obvious target to aim for.


User currently onlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21477 posts, RR: 60
Reply 62, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 44):
I think I'd rather eat pure horse meat, than manufactured meatballs of dubious origin !

Have you been to Ikea's cafe? Most of their food is very fresh and healthy. It leads one to believe the meatballs, though traditionally not good for you by design and full of salt, are at least made with quality ingredients. Not untested horse meat...

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 52):
Has anyone died or gotten sick after eating these supposed "horse meat" meatballs??

Horse meat is not dangerous to eat. The problem is that this horse meat has some nasty contaminants in it because it wasn't screened for food. At least that's what I understand. There are some medicines and steroids in the meat that shouldn't be in human food. We can't know what kind of adverse reaction these might have caused in some people, as it's not like a poisoning outbreak with similar symptoms.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 63, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 59):
Controllers will stop them, of course.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2778 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 62):
It leads one to believe the meatballs, though traditionally not good for you by design and full of salt, are at least made with quality ingredients.

Ahhhhh,

The tricks of persuasive marketing. Ikea is very good at this.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 62):
Not untested horse meat...

Well nobody knew that at the time of course.

But lets not forget, Horse meat is very popular in some European countries. The Netherlands, Belgium, are two of the top of my head, where its openly available on menus at restaurants.

Unfortunately, its the unregulated stuff making its way into the food chain that's cause this mess, making everyone a little suspicious.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 62):
We can't know what kind of adverse reaction these might have caused in some people, as it's not like a poisoning outbreak with similar symptoms.

Long term studies need to undertaken of exactly what effects these "contaminants" have on humans once consumed.



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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2077 posts, RR: 4
Reply 65, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Horsemeat in IKEA's meatballs?

And I thought they were made of wood chips.  



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User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 66, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 58):
Quoting sebolino (Reply 57):
With a beautiful logo "100% beef from France" they are safe.

No offence but I wouldnt trust French beef anymore than Romanian or otherwise.

I guess you missed the point. Replace "French" by anything else, depending on the country you're living in.


User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 59):
Quoting sebolino (Reply 57):
OK, but what will stop intermediaries to buy meat in Romania, Poland or Noth Corea if it's cheaper ?
And to put horse, dog or rat in place of beef ?
With a beautiful logo "100% beef from France" they are safe.

Controllers will stop them, of course.

Are you serious ?
We're given horse/crap mix instead of beef for months and perhaps years. During all this time, nothing stopped the crooks.


User currently offlinesebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 52):
Has anyone died or gotten sick after eating these supposed "horse meat" meatballs??

If not, then I do not see what the big deal is.

Rat, dog and snake is not dangerous either. But it happens that when you bought beef, you want to eat beef.


User currently offlineRomeoBravo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2013, 1427 posts, RR: 3
Reply 69, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Quoting sebolino (Reply 68):
Rat, dog and snake is not dangerous either. But it happens that when you bought beef, you want to eat beef.

Most likely you want to eat the thing you ate last time. Which may well have been horsebeef too.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 70, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 51):
One of the problems with government regulations it means people stop thinking about where their food is from and what's in it.

This is true to an extent. We trust that what the regulations state will be followed by the manufacturers. We trust that what the label states will be a true reflection of what one is buying.

But let us not forget that much of the pressure for tighter controls came from consumers: consumer's who wanted to know what they are buying. Some had genuine health concerns and wanted clear labelling that would help them avoid unsuitable items.

The problem is not so much regulation but the difficulty (or lack of will/ payments to look the other way) in enforcing it. I may be in a minority but I do check the information on the labels, looking at the contents and the nutritional information. I recognise that the details may reflect a typical portion, but I do expect that they be a realistic portrayal of what to expect. If it says beef, then it should not be horse. Not that there is anything wrong with either but to sell an item as one thing when it is not is fraud.

Drafting regulations does set minimum standards and yes the dishonest will always seek to circumvent them. But that does not mean that we should not have regulation. We have laws against murder yet murders still exist. I have yet to hear a compelling argument against laws prohibiting murder. Similarly, I have yet to hear a compelling argument against fraud.

Some people will say, leave the market to decide, yet purchasing patterns have changed as a result of working patterns. The days when the "mistress of the house" could spend her time closely examining what the grocer, the baker and the butcher did have long gone because she is working full-time herself while still trying to manage the house. Even if you go to a butcher how can you guarantee that what he is selling is the genuine article? Did you see where the meat came from? Did you see how the animal was slaughtered? And did you notice whether his thumb was on the scales when he weighed the meat? In give or take 99.9% of cases in Europe and other "Western" countries the answer is likely to be no. So you would still be going on trust.

Mind you, not all regulation is good. In some countries the irradiation of fruit is "regulated" in the sense that it is permitted. Trouble is that you can no longer smell whether an orange is off.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26863 posts, RR: 58
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

What next  

Ikea Pulls Almond Cakes Over 'Faecal' Bacteria

Ikea has pulled a batch of almond cakes from its restaurants in 23 countries after bacteria normally found in faecal matter was discovered.

Chinese authorities confirmed that the Swedish-made cakes had failed tests "for containing excessive levels of coliform bacteria", the Shanghai Daily website wrote.

http://news.sky.com/story/1060423/ik...-almond-cakes-over-faecal-bacteria


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6539 posts, RR: 9
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

I wonder what's going on with China. They send lead contaminated toys, fake medicine, poisonous baby food our way, and are now squeamish about some residues in French cognac and bacteria in cakes ?


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 55):

A passenger came to my gate the other day singing the Mr. Ed song exactly like Mr. Ed back in the day. He even went
Willlberrrrr.


And people that eat Ikea Lingel or Dingelberry meatballs are singing: I've been to the dessert on a horse with no name....   



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39720 posts, RR: 75
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 73):
I've been to the dessert on a horse with no name....  

Wild horses could not drag me away from Ikea meatballs.



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User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 469 posts, RR: 5
Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1286 times:

It behooves to ask, when do you think IKEA will corral this problem?

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 76, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 71):
Ikea Pulls Almond Cakes Over 'Faecal' Bacteria

Great: Ikea has gone from selling horse balls to poo cakes... 



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8416 posts, RR: 3
Reply 77, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 10):
If Ikea meatballs have horsemeat, then show me where to sign up.

I don't care if it's Trigger or Black Beauty. Ikea's meatballs are the bomb. I WOULD KILL FOR THEM.

Well said!


  


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2778 posts, RR: 8
Reply 78, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 77):
Well said!

Well, they might end up killing you instead of the other way round !  http://www.thedailybeast.com/newswee...hat-pose-serious-health-risks.html



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